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there are always two things... Good and evil muslim(all nations) and non muslim(all nations) beleivers of God and unbeleivers of God... yeh i still feel instead of beleiving on the words of God you prefer to believe on words of some people on forum ... anyway there is one religion which is not man made,, and that religion is on the planet of earth since first human being set foot on earth... 319 The only religion approved by GOD is islam(submission).... rejecting/accepting the words of God is your choice BTW if you are confuse about philosphy vs religion then change it to philosphy vs God ... the purpose of religion started from God... hence religion is the name of subject , the discussion of that subject is God... existence of God... actually The word you translated as religion translates very poorly as religion. The system concerning allah is what is soundness . It means you must be clear in your little mind and act with reason and logic to be a member. Where do you get submission from? Do you walk around greeting your brothers by saying "submit!" to them once you meet them? No, if you say salaam to someone you wish them well-being as opposed to disorder.

Thank you HP_TECH for opening a positive thread handshake My experience when reading Quran Al Kareem has/is always been the same, i.e., I feel and become connected to the revelation. with what I term "down on the ground" with the believers over time. Sometimes the "voice" is so loud it drowns out all sensory input and I find myself so relaxed and at peace. Thanks for asking. peace Thank YOU!! Refreshing to hear that!

Salam Hizbullah. All the best to you. All of us are on the search for truth. Some of us leave to take stock of what we've learnt. Some of us leave bcoz the forum does not seem to grow and keep repeating itself despite new joiners. Some of us leave bcoz we are tired and just want a peaceful rest. Some of us received haqqul yakin, no further loitering in the forums i guess. Those who remained here are of course searching for truth (I hope). some wants to share their truth, some are just loitering, some are jokers, some are unfortunately toxic. I personally hope the forum grows to a single minded movement to improve the human condition guided by the Quran. No longer fighting about historical lore where the mentioned of is just for examples rather than taken for law and religion practices, no longer fighting about religion practices, no longer fighting about whos god is greatest, whos religion is greatest, no longer fighting about things we cannot understand like the nature of god, quantum physics etc. Does all these issues bring about unity to improve the human condition? None of it does. Nonetheless, the research done by forumers or real researchers are invaluable in the sense all of them bring about different perspectives about civilizations and religions. No one seems to be able to provide a single perspective of truth binding all of them together! Then the conclusion is - fighting about them is just like fighting about different ideologies - there is no end to it - no outcome - no wisdom - because all of them are mere perspectives and conjectures! Then the ULTIMATE TRUTH lies out there waiting, right in front of our eyes but most are just blind to see it, blinded by the world we live in. Aren't you guys tired of these fighting and oppression that goes on in the world? and to make things worse, we also see it in this forum, the hostility to one another in ways where one like very much to belittle other members' perspective? Oops!!! - do not get confuse - I'm just expressing the TIRED mood i have this morning, nothing to do with Hizbullah's decision. Anyway have a successful life Hizbullah! May our Creator grant us truth, wisdom and peace. Salam

I said it says defeated in the story of David and it is you and your friends who translate it as kill and that is not my problem. hahahahaha , its not a problem at all trust me... yeh but if david let him go, jalut will definately come after him after some time... as we know he was one of the wicked... where he gone after that... ? or he just start spending a slave life under the kingdom of david... what do u think... where is ur evidence from history he did not kill him? i m just tired of your logics when you are unable to provide any evidence ... whatsoever...

. In fact there are people on THIS Earth RIGHT NOW who live the "Paradise", with wine and beautiful virgins and etc. So you dont really need to wait for your death guys, you could theoretically get the paradise you crave for on this earth. Just be young, healthy, good looking and rich. Earthly pleasures + Infinity = Paradise BOLD yeh u can say for the people who cannot grasp the real meanings of quran... for me a paradise will be something which no eye can imagine , a hidden reward which is unimaginable for the human mind to percieve... rest of the post even there are some people in this world we see them with wines richies and virgins ... but what we see .. the wine give them headache and hangover the virgins are just with them becoz of their money and make them fool as long as they want and select another fool after a passage of time... these type of virgins are availiable for evrybody everywhere in this world... if you just have 20 pound in the pocket... about the richies its also unsecured anybody from family enemy can kill anytime and take over all the richies... even if a person is lucky enough to save himself from losses, losing money and everything , the death will approach him , and the only place left for him under the ground so let him enjoy this richies of life for a certain time ... it will finish definately one day.... but again look my bold part the fantasies of heaven is not what you me we will think right now compared to world... its something which already described to you and without thinking a second you accepted it and now when you saw a question paper you are saying i want to quit that exam... safe quit it make sure one thing... if you quit it you cannot go back to time of law and you must recieve the result..either you quit or continue exam...becoz the stage of selection/deciding is already passed ,,,now we are in the testing stage so getting fail in exam is not a wise decision... police although there is another option of quiting exam without writing anything in paper , its called suicide... but again .. the paper empty with writting will not give a favorable result... when examiner is just ...

So if people denied Jesus despite profound "miracles", why would you believe me? i think you are the only intelligent person , and your intelligence make us fool by default , so it wont help us in any way.. how unfair it is ,, look in the whole planet you are the only person of intelligence and we are unable to grasp the real meanings of quran... It is because you are not trying, you are just gullible in picking what someone else has generated for you in terms of interpretation and then you believe in it, but you are not believing when I am giving you much more logically sound elaborations, and I am constantly referring to sources from the past. And you retain to believe "haram" means both forbidden and sanctioned which are two completely different meanings like the difference between day and night. I mean you could be more intelligent than you make yourself. How hard is it to realize there is a dog buried somewhere and that "haram" means one of the alleged meanings? And then you say I am the one who is conjecturing and is skeptical towards me who drives you to reflect? Concerning the interpretation of Quran I told you it is out there but you should look for it. If you were interested and witted you would find it quickly. Intelligence is also to make yourself intelligent, not allow yourself to be a fool and adhere to logic, and then logic all out and not only what your eyes can see in this instant. Be well Amenuel

murdering someone is different ,, the matter of relationship and matter of free will and pre destiny both are very difficult and complicated subjects.. the ultimate knowledge regarding that matters are with God i think... we only represent theories in both of these matters.. sometimes we see our partner is not loyal or not taking good care of home and finances but after knowing this we never wanted to get seperate becoz of kids ... or some other reasons, some devilish people realised it and start taking advantage of the situation.. sometimes this life is full of shit but , we are advised to be patient all the times.. hence full stop to emotions logics, wrong doings.. or most accurate wait the judgement and results that god will bring for us... God even dnt speak with us... never replied us... even after talking with him telling him problems , there is still a silence from God... what a human do? i was confused but my understanding of outcomes of choices change after an experience when there are two bodies attach the system of outcomes change the shape... let say a person told me he did not do anything wrong , why badluck happened with him? next time he will not gona picka right path becoz he suffered pain on right path .. when one perosn is on right path and other is wicked let say in husband wife reltionship.... what result will come... most of the cases the right person suffered more than wicked.. isnt it.. its due to a reason there is a mix and match outcomes ,, but in long run the wicked never get happy and the victory approaches to right one, although due to a wrong choice of selecting this person suffered a pain but God select an alternate for him which is more good... than previous... although i could not properly explain in words may b more experince of life teach me more lessons lol...

Salam Q 4144 And if We had made it a Quran/reading in a foreign tongue, they would certainly have said Why have not its ayaat/signs/verses distinguish? What?a foreign (tongue) and an Arabic(tongue)! Say It is to those who believe(verify) a guidance and a healing; and those who do not believe(verify), there is a heaviness in their ears and it is obscure to them; "these are being called from a far-off place". Pointthey are being called from a place far They have preconception/preprogrammed in their minds from far place(other theology) which is far down in history

Salam, Thank you all for the input. I needed to translate the word else it is not really a translation of the Quran. The final thought I have settled on is "education-process" and "educate/education" as its verb. You can see it now in the PDF version online to get a feel of how the meaning flows in the various verses.

Because God gave freedom to humans to rule to world as we see fit. Those people that are suffering despite their innocence are duly compensated. Interference by God? Of course, but most do not see it happening - bigger interference you can read from old civilisations and what happened to them. As for our civilisation - we have been given time and until the appointed time it remains like it is or we can decide to change the world to be a better place - it is still up to us given the freedom we have - sadly most remain not committed to any cause except self preservation. Somehow the human race has surrendered to its own weakness. And one of the big weakness is to blame God for everything. Peace. And their "rule" is then measured, evaluated and so sifted out are those who fail to perform. Be well Amenuel

Indeed to you there would be no time gap the way you experience it. Time in that regard does not exist but is a creation for this world, so you could be jumped forward in time while you are not in a flesh (dead) and to you no time has elapsed. So time is relative in many ways, much like Mr. Einstein taught even though he may or may not have had much insight about his divine origin. However, reincarnation is a true concept and that affects quite a bit, so in Hell you are given multiple bodies (skins). And to get out you need to outgrow Hell and show superiority, master yourselves and be above your primitive body. The number of days depends utterly on you yourself and your performance. I would say most never get out to be honest but eventually face annihilation. That is your Judgment Day, but more Doom's Day when it is too late for salvation. It is basically when Rabb deems the day is due to end the project of developing more angels in this cycle, probably when souls are regarded as so broken down there is no probability they will return. The face of our current world is a signal that it is beginning to reach its peak and most humans on Earth who have not yet been harvested are failed victims to the test environment and it will be worse. Worse times are approaching, heed my words, worse than ever. The decayed souls are so disastrous they bring havoc on Earth. However, amidst the chaos the revelation of Quran is being presented the way it is meant to be and will be presenting 100% of Rabb's lore to mankind, although it takes being witted enough to perceive it. If you hearken unto what I have been teaching in the forum you will find the escape, you will find your self and you will find you are closer to the Rabb than you might think. People are too blind in general to see I am revealing that 100% of what there is to know. Be well Amenuel

Salam Q 381 And when Allah took covenant (of) the Prophets(plural), "Certainly, whatever I (have) given you of (the) Book and wisdom then comes to you a Messenger(single) confirming that which (is) with you, you must believe in him and you must help him." He said, "Do you affirm and take on that (condition) My They said, "We affirm." He said, "Then bear witness, and I (am) with you among the witnesses." Even the prophets are commanded that the Rasool/messenger will come to them and confirm whats with them.They can than confirm themselves from the SCRIPTURE of Allah, not from them souls/self/psyche desires. So the scripture is the touchstone even for prophets. Is it the same Rasool/messenger the one who is also sent to ordinary believers in aya Q3164

Yes it is. And Quran is against the Biblical Gospels due to the same reason while otherwise it would not be. yeh its is against the gospels becoz history is witness that gospels is changed from time to time, by the way which version of gospels you are talking about... we can further proceed talk if you want to compare gospel and quran in the light of science... wana accept that challange , what you say hmm we will see where both scriptures are standing... I said you are gullible towards the medieval interpreters like most others who follow blindly. yeh just in your own mind.. The word allah does not even refer to "God" as an address but Rabb is. Nor can allah be a proper noun since grammar prevents it. in that case when i request you to translate something for me you never did it... ? i still did not understand why its so difficult to transalte ...

This day are made lawful for you the good things; and (the) food (of) those who were given the Book (is) lawful for you, and your food (is) lawful for them. And the chaste women from the believers and the chaste women from those who were given the Book before you, when you have given them their bridal due, being chaste not being lewd and not ones (who are) taking secret lovers. And whoever denies the faith - then surely (are) wasted his deeds and he, in the Hereafter, (will be) among the losers. In my opinion the book is the Al-Quran

lower your gaze mean, while looking at somebody dnt look in a lustful way... in general looking into the eyes of somebody is not a sin or avoiding thingie.. if we read full topic its about guarding our modesty/private parts .. so the act of sin(sex) started with lustful gaze.. we cannot apply it to other gaze i.e if a doctor is talking with me i must have to look in the eyes of doctor if a student and teacher talks with eachother they must look in to eachother eyes if a co-worker ask something from me she must look in to my eyes and ask me where the files are? this chapter 24 is about a specific subject we need to understand this book is from intelligent/supreme being.. 2430 Tell the believing men to lower their gaze(lustful looking) and keep covered their private parts(sex), for that is better for them(if they will not look with lustful eyes the action of sin will not occur). God is fully aware of what you do( he is aware what is going on in our minds.. a lustful gaze or a general gaze) i just put brackets in it by my own to make this verse more clear... actually each and every single verse contain plantey of messages in one go.. if we carefully inspect the wordings.. make sure this book is a master piece of beauty... our elders interpret this verse in their own way and its a fatwa/law which make shake hand with opposite sex a catagory of sin with the support of baseless hadith... if a girl shake hand with their cousins the brothers of that girl are ready to beat her in their first chance.. height of ignorance...

its a natural process, of women , same along other things . like, urine tears.. in our childhood after using toliet if a teacher ask where were you? we replied in the toilet and other kids laugh... thinking that its a private place same discussing about monthly periods is common to not share with somebody due to the shame of getting teased , but ohter way round its just a random topic .. actually... when verses we apply in our daily life its something that leads to a thing which cause us harm.. example if you look at the women its not a sin... if you look at a women with lustful eyes then its a thing to b stopped... if you shake hand with women in traditional greeting its another thing if you touch a women for a purpose of lust its another matter... we need to understand if God is advising us something what is the reason and subject behind it...

An English translation of the Quran - 2946 And do not argue with the people of the Book except in that which is better; except for those who are wicked among them; and say "We believe in what was revealed to us and in what was revealed to you, and our god and your god is the same; to Him we submit." "We believe in what was revealed to us and in what was revealed to you"! An English translation of the Quran - 568 Say "O people of the Book, you are not upon anything until you uphold the Torah and the Gospel and what was sent down to you from your Lord." And for many of them, what was sent down to you from your Lord will only increase them in transgression and rejection. So do not feel sorry for the rejecting people. "You are not upon anything until you uphold the Torah and the Gospel"! An English translation of the Quran - 566 And if they had upheld the Torah and the Gospel, and what was sent down to them from their Lord, they would have been rewarded from above them and from beneath their feet. From among them is a pious nation, but most of them only do evil. "And if they had upheld the Torah and the Gospel"! An English translation of the Quran - 546 Subsequent to them, we sent Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming the previous scripture, the Torah. We gave him the Gospel, containing guidance and light, and confirming the previous scriptures, the Torah, and augmenting its guidance and light, and to enlighten the righteous., "Containing guidance and light"! An English translation of the Quran - 239 And those who disbelieve and deny Our revelations, they are the dwellers of Hell, in it they will abide. "And those who disbelieve and deny Our revelations, they are the dwellers of Hell"! An English translation of the Quran - 262 Surely those who believe; and those who are Jewish, and the Nazarenes, and the Sabians, whoever of them believes in God and the Last Day and does good works; they will have their recompense with their Lord, and there is no fear upon them, nor will they grieve.

Back to the 21st century (and wtf do you care about theBible anyway?)... Christian and Jewish authority has been compromised by legions of mushrik. All that is left untarnished is the Qur'an. Having said that, 99% of people callling themselves muslim are in fact Mushrik who deny Islam, Allah, Qur'an and the prophet Muhammed by adhering to Hadith. Still, the Qur'an is intact. Mind your language please.. European renaissance started when the society starting to question the religious dogmatic doctrine... Earth is round, Earth is not the center of the universe to mentioned a few... Questioning and critics is generally accepted within scientific community, the methodology which started the renaissance in anywhere... Now, divine scripture MAY SERVE AS A LAWFUL FOUNDATION for society. That is not about cultism, it is about LAWFULNESS. WHAT WILL OTHERWISE BE YOUR SOURCE OF LAW?! Any scripture or even the non written idea / tradition or life experience can be a source of inspiration for regulation / law. It then be discussed or debated before being accepted by such society to be a law / regulation governing such society. However the discussion of 'we should make something as regulation / law just because X said so' is not a good practice.. This is applicable on any level, whether it's a household, district, region, communities, country or even company / organization policies. Islam is not a cult. That is, if the (true) Muslims practicing it invite all introspection and reasonable inquiry. X is a cult once X has a dogma which must not be questioned by anyone... Statement Y is TRUE just because X said so or it can be found in X. If in a household, all the children and wife (or wives) said X is true because their dad/husband said so.. then it's a cult of the dad/husband. If a community claim X is true because Einsten said so or Y is false because Einstein said so... then it's a cult of Einstein... No matter "Scientific" by name such community claimed to be one. Having said that it's a normal reaction to say 'they are a cult' while 'we are not a cult'.. it's called bias... Muslim never admit they are Muhammad cult, Quranist never admit that they are Quran cult, Christian never admit that they are Jesus cult even North Koreans never admit that they are Kim's cult.

No Jafar The problem was that they two were behind a dark muddy cloud. This could was to thick that even the Full Moons light was invisible. However those two fighting lights were so bright (I guess ) that they were visible through the cloud as two oval shaped tall white sioulouttes

Salam This is what you wrote earlier Below your replied My question is if you not referring to Arabic or Classical Arabic so which Arabic because the Quran is in Classical Arabic peace Salaam brother, alQuraan doesn't say that it is in Classical Arabic. Arabic of alQuraan is based on patterns and styles unlike Classical Arabic without any grammatical bounding. No language on earth is perfect except the language of alQuraan. People who are master in classical Arabic may also don't get guidance from alQuraan. And a layman who does not know any grammar can be guided from alQuraan. Hope you get what I am trying to say inshaAllah.