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  • Started reading the Quran. Very new here.

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    I have been Atheist for a very long time, ............... ..... ..... There have been many things that have happened to me that convinced me that God exists. ..... ..... Salaam/Peace be upon you, FaithSeeker. sun welcome sun ========== But from there you shall truly-seek The LORD your GOD and you will find HIM, if you search after HIM with all your heart and with all your soul. (TORAH, Deut. 4/29) ========== Ask, and it will be given to you; truly-seek, and you will find (HIM); knock, and it will be opened to you. (GOSPEL, Matthew 7/7) ========== Say AL-LAH sends astray whoever wishes (to go astray), and HE guides towards HIMSELF whoever truly-seeks (HIM). (QURAN TESTAMENT, 13/27) Welcome again. May AL-LAH grant you absolute Success. Remain in peace/salaam.
  • Introduction

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    Peace Timotheus, Janet, others, Please see my 2 replies at the following thread http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608672.0 Peace
  • Learn Arabic Alphabet Teacher - Free For You

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    Peace Comrox and everyone else, There are many reasons to learn MSA (Modern standard arabic), but studying the Quran is not one of them. Because the language of the Quran is Classical Arabic (read the quote at the bottom of this post). The language of the Quran is not MSA. Learning MSA in order to study the Quran, is like learning Greek in order to study an English book. A past member of this forum by the name tanveermd, claims that Arabic as second language plus a modern Arabic dictionary is indeed a dangerous combination (read his post here). To me, his views seem to be correct. Although I don't think it's a good idea to learn MSA in order to study the Quran, I do believe that there are many good reasons to learn MSA. And one of them is to be able to translate articles and/or books from English to Arabic or vice versa. There are many good books for learning MSA out there, but there are only some that I would recommend. If I could recommend some books to you, these would be excellent resources Teach yourself Arabic by Jack Smart and Frances Altolfer. Make sure to get the CD's with it as well. The Arabic Alphabet How to read and write it by Nicholas Awde and Putros Samano. And Teach yourself beginner's Arabic scribt by John Mace. Arabic for dummies by Amine Bouchentouf. And Intermediate Arabic for Dummies by Keith Massey. Al Mawrid dictionary English-Arabic and Arabic-English by Munir Baalbaki and Dr. Rohi Baalbaki. And Arabic-English dictionary by Hans Wehr and J.Milton Cowan. A new Arabic grammar of the written language by J.A. Haywood and H.M. Nahmad. And Easy Arabic grammar by Jane Wightwick and Mahmoud Gaafar. In my view, the above-mentioned resources are some of the best resources out there for learning MSA. But I only recommend buying them, if you are 100 percent sure that you want to learn MSA. If you are not committed to learn MSA, then I do not recommend buying them. Because if you are not committed to learn MSA, you will quit easily and then you would have wasted your money. Personally, I am not learning Arabic. And I am not planning to learn it in the near future. As mentioned earlier, I believe that there are many good reasons to learn MSA. And one of them is to be able to translate articles and/or books from English to Arabic or vice versa. For example, if one learns MSA, then one can translate articles and/or books from English to Arabic (e.g. articles and/or books about Quranic islam). If one translates articles and/or books about Quranic islam from English to Arabic, then one can reach a wide audience in the Arab World. It appears that translating articles and/or books from English to Arabic, is a great way to spread the message of Quranic islam. Unfortunately, there are fewer books translated into Arabic than other major languages. I'd like to share some informative paragraphs from an article here. The title of the article is "Three Middle East Myths Exploded." From the article Consider some of the important findings in recent Arab Human Development Reports and related studies ? The total number of books translated into Arabic in the last 1,000 years is fewer than those translated into Spanish in one year. ? Greece ? with a population of fewer than 11 million ? translates five times as many books from abroad into Greek annually as the 22 Arab countries combined, with a total population of more than 300 million, translate into Arabic. For those who wish to read the whole article, you can read it here. Where did you learn Quranic Arabic? May our Lord guide us. Peace.
  • introduction from indonesia

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    beside Al Quran, now I'm studying about the holly books from all religion to knowing about "equation teaching" between them, cause I'm sure, the same God must be teach the same things especially about God conception. thank you very much for your advice. =Marshall= Very good approach!! Wisdom can be found anywhere.. yet so does falsehood... welcome welcome
  • hello_world !

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    Hi!!!!!! Just image how many guests are cheking this forum for a long time now, not having joined it, just searching and learning and wondering... I decided to join it after a long time just reading as a guests. If the people here only knew how much good they are doing just being here.... Every guests is a soul wondering... Welcome!!!!
  • Peace everyone

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    But I have learned from my past mistakes and I will never repeat them again. Lately I have realized that it is not enough to only acknowledge my mistakes. Therefore I would like to right my wrongs, if you'll give me the chance. I take full responsibility for all of my past actions. I apologize for the problems I may have caused any of you in the past by the things I wrote in this forum, and you have my word, it will never happen again. God is witness over what I say. Welcome from a newie who congratulates you for your courage, the realization and the acceptance of your mistakes and the wisdom you adquired. People who would do it is few in this world. I don't know what mistakes you are talking about and don't care, but really, congrats.
  • Nestor from the Nestorian Project

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    Hi Comrox, thanks! handshake Hi Hizbullah, waleika salaam. It is a translation into the language of a different subculture to facilitate communication.
  • Hello !

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    Peace all, Thank you for your welcome. If I can give you any advice, it would be to not follow Quranic islam because it fits your needs, but to follow it if your reason and logic shows you that that Islam based on the Quran is a deen (system/way of life) which manifests itself above all others systems. Taro, for me it means the same. Following reason & logic is a need for me. When you start to follow the Quran, you might lose many of your friends. And sometimes you might even feel lonely/alone in your journey. But if ones stays patient, one might get better friends than the friends that one have lost. I would like to share a quote with you from one of my posts on FM. Very true ! Your name sounds Iranian to me? Hi Recluse, true ! Anoushirvan was the nickname of former shah of Persia, Khosrow, around the birth of Mohamed. For many years, I've also had this naive belief that 'Qur'an alone' was perfect; that the Qur'an could be easily understood without any external references or sources. This was Bbased on ignorance, blind faith and assumption... It's impossible to understand the Qur'an without its historical context, Hadith and Sunna. Of course there is lots of garbage there, which only further complicates the extremely difficult task of understanding the Qur'an. Well, the problem is that hadiths and Sunna are not historical context of the Qur'an. They are 200 years later than Qur'an oldest manuscripts. It's like historians today would write a story of the US Independance War only by interviewing grand-grand-grand.....-sons and nephews of Washington or Jefferson. I don't even know who my grand-grand-parents were and what they said, although I have pictures of them, and it was only 70 years ago. What meaningfull would result of this ? Next.. you should try "Extreme God Alone-ism".. Where God alone is the source of true knowledge and revelation. (not some book written by human and then declared holy by human) And that God revelation hasn't stopped.. it's continuing up until now up to the future.. Hi Jafar, Indeed, I believe there could be something like that, continuous revelation.
  • I'm new!!

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    no its not my blog i found on google while searching for truth about islam Oh okay, we did have a thread about that blog last year. The articles are great, but without citations for which some of their stuffs remain uncertain for us.
  • MY LIFE STORY

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    Peace Posted 7 years ago, the post content is verified, nothing is coincidence 9577.msg191976 191976/19=19x114=19x6 Peace, Here's my life story back on Here I'm going to tell you something about my life story that how I used to believe when I was a sunni and as to how I came to realize the Truth and that I was wrong. The part where I start telling you about how fanatic I was is especially interesting. My name is John Theodor Luther K(born Khizar). My father is Pakistani and my mother German. I was born in Hamelin , Germany, 27th April 1982. Hamelin(also written as 'Hameln' in German) is known as the famous city of the pipe piper whose story many of us have heard. This city is located in West Germany in the state/province of Lower Saxony. The nearest big city to it is 'Hannover', also known as city of international fairs and is well known for the EXPO 2000. In Hamelin there are still painted mice on the foot path which lead to a hall where people immitate the pipe piper as a show which I think takes place once a year. There is also an interesting model clock design in the city center where the pipe piper and the mice are made from stone. They rotate on a platform, I think, whenever the clock strikes 6 or something and the whole clock gives off a nice little melody for about 5 minutes. Well that was a brief introduction of Hamelin for those who did not know. There are about THREE Masjids(Mosques, but actually the word should be translated as 'Places where it is prostrated'. People have turned this common word into a name and have created great confusion thereby. I'll use the Arabic word 'Masjid' here instead of 'mosque&#039 here in Hamelin but they all are unfortunately sunni "Muslims". They were created or set up by the Turkish people who live there. There are many Turkish people in Germany. We can say that the Turkish have got a position in Germany just like the Pakistanis have got in the UK. One of my uncles lately became a very strict what you can term as fanatic Muhammadan man. By this I mean that he was amongst those who praise and glorify Prophet Muhammad a lot instead of remembering GOD. He used to come once to Pakistan as a 'Peer' or "holy man" and claimed that he knew the meanings of different colours and that he was given these and those special powers by GOD. He became a strict practicing sunni. He used to have a beard, arrange for salat(contact prayer) in the house with congregation, which wouldn't be wrong if the emphasis were on no names besides GOD. And you know what? I actually believed and followed him. Although he now lives a normal life in Germany, he still holds the view that prophet Muhammad is GOD's most beloved and honourable prophet although the Quran clearly commands us to make no distinction amongst GOD's messengers The messenger has believed in what was sent down to him from his Lord, and so did the believers. They believe in GOD, His angels, His scripture, and His messengers "We make no distinction among any of His messengers." They say, "We hear, and we obey. Forgive us, our Lord. To You is the ultimate destiny." He recently went so far as to say that GOD, GOD forbid!, had to forgive Adam because he allegedly said ?Oh GOD forgive me for the sake of Muhammad? and then it became necessary for GOD to forgive him since He allegedly loved Muhammad so much. He also talks about theories where satan , angels and our souls are all electricity or a type of ionic material which have special powers to change dimension and such, which would not be wrong if he didn't add the statement that on every person's cells it is electrically inscribed that 'There is no god but GOD' AND ' Muhammad is His messenger'. He always has to add this and he lays special emphasis on Muhammad as if GOD fobid, GOD would do anything for him instead of vice versa. But still I love my uncle very much and he loves me too and I can only pray that GOD guide him rightly. So now to continue. When I was seven years old, I, my younger brother, who is my only brother(i have no sister either) six years younger than me, and my parents came to live in Pakistan. I had come to Pakistan when I was three years old as well but only for a temporary visit at that time. Primarily, or so I was told, we came to Pakistan because I had a very terrible allergy against pollen and mites which are in a great number in Germany and I'm still quite allergic to those things. The other, rather real, issue was because of the bad society in Germany and since my father knew Pakistan to be an "Islamic" country he decided that we should go and live there. I had studied only two classes in Germany i.e. classes 1 and 2. I never regularly attended Kindergarten before that. However I did use to ask my mother a lot of questions every now and then as to how is this possible and how is that. She was always willing to answer me and in this way my logical thinking was strengthened. When I came to Pakistan I first found it to be quite strange and dirty but then I got adjusted to it with the time. The ceiling fans, which I hadn't seen before in Germany, were also new to me and I kept playing with them. At that time I didn't know Urdu, English or Punjabi but ONLY German. But as you know as young children we learn very quickly. While speaking with different people and while attending nursery classes in Pakistan I finally managed to speak the language i.e. Urdu. I got to know Punjabi at a later stage. By the time I was then nine years old but unfortunately I was put two classes back i.e. into class 2 because I did not know to speak English which was a basic requirement if I later wanted to do O' and A'Level instead of the local Metric and Intermediate. So I studied there and made friends. I was always particularly interested in 'Islam', not knowing that what I was being taught was actually man-made "Islam". I had one Christian class fellow there too. I often used to tell him that Jesus is not the son of GOD and that to say this is blasphemy. Often enough a fight broke out between us. Now the "Muslim" majority say that if one reaches the age of 10 and does not contact pray(Salat) then he's to be beaten and if at the age of 12 he still doesn't then he's to be thrown out of the house. However my parents did not accept this man-made theory and never beat me as far as the ?salat? issue is concerned. Such nonsense can only be found in the "Sahih" books of Bukhari, Muslim, etc besides Quran. I was eleven years old when once our "Islamic studies" teacher was lecturing us. The Christian class mate was also listening that day. A story about the punishments of the grave was being told. It was said that those who do not pray after the age of 10 will be bitten by poisonous snakes and scorpions in the grave. My Christian class mate asked me infront of the class whether I prayed or not and when I answered that I did not he smiled and yelled out "Khizar will be bitten by snakes, won't he". From that day on I became so frightened that when I went home I immediately started to learn 'salat', unfortunately including names of others besides GOD, and I continued to pray ever after that. When I first learned prayer I enjoyed it so much that I used to offer many extra units which now I know is incorrect. 'Salat' or contact prayer must be offered at specific times although one can always pray to GOD in other ways or mention His name at any other time. As I grew older I became more and more interested in GOD's Laws. I heard about Hadith and Sunnah besides Quran which I was taught were the "true" words of the prophet and they were used to explain the Quran. Most of the opinions and the Shariah("Islamic" law) are based on these men-made fabrications and I was such a fool that instead of taking Quran Alone, took almost everything from hadith other than Quran. I heard that keeping a beard was Wajib(secondary imperative) and later I read many ahadith where the prophet allegedly said that clean shaving was the act of the fire worshippers and we ought to be different from them by keeping a beard. Thus I also kept a beard and everyone called me 'Molvi' and I was happy to hear it. Also I read a book which even misquoted Quranic verses, taking them out of context, that music is prohibited. Although I studied in coeducation I used to isolate myself completely from the girls. I did not even come close to them and did not talk much but just the necessary which were mostly "Islamic" issues. I thought it was unright in the sight of GOD that we talk to a Non-Muhram(person whom you can marry) for any other cause than "Islam". At a later stage I did not even talk to my Uncles' wives, NOT paternal and maternal aunts whom I knew were Muhrams(people prohibited to marry), and you know what tops it all? Whenever any of my uncles' wives, or any other Non-Muhram woman, came to sit even near me I jumped up from that position and went to sit somewhere else alone or together with other men. In school people used to get sick and tired of my fanatic and corrupt teaching but I continued to think that this was what GOD wanted. I also kept a long beard, though my father was against it. I shaved when I last time went to Germany in my summer vacations. I go to visit Germany every year with my family during summer vacations. However now my father says that I should not "fool GOD" by keeping a beard here and shaving it off there. He also says that I should keep a beard for GOD. It seems that even he believes the beard to be at least sunna and thus a holy practice or something. Therefore he told me recently to either shave it off completely now or to keep it and not shave it even in Germany. I now keep a beard just for the sake of it. Now on with my story. So as I said girls were completely tabu for me. The girls at school however often used to tease me. I always tried my best to ignore them. I was also preaching to everyone else saying things like 'You must keep a beard. You mustn't come close to a non-Muhram.' Oh and I used to keep my Shalwar,the trouser part in a Shalwar(trouser) Kameez(shirt), the dress in Pakistan, above my ankles, ALWAYS. My father used to get very annoyed at this. I even have a picture and I might post it some time I get hold of it. That was really funny. In school I had to wear pants as part of uniform, although I always preferred Shalwar Kameez, which I thought off to be a modest dress. But I used to fold the ends of my pants so that they did not go beyond the ankles based upon a hadith which states 'The Izar(garment) which hangs below the ankles is in the fire. >Bukhari.' Once I had them folded up very much and I wanted to go o the market with my friends. Oh and did they laugh. They told me to please unfold them so that the people in the market would not make a joke of me but I did not listen. I honestly thought this was what GOD and His messenger wanted. I used to quote all kinds of nonsensible ahadith besides Quran to support my views. I started to pray in the Masjids five times a day. I used to get up early in the morning and go together with another sunni old man. He is a very nice guy though. In that Masjid I was told about the "Mufti Alim" there who was supposedly very educated in "Islam". I believed it at that time and listened to almost all that he had to say, blindly. Now I'm warned by the following Quranic verse They have set up their religious leaders and scholars as lords, instead of GOD. Others deified the Messiah, son of Mary. They were all commanded to worship only one god. There is no god except He. Be He glorified, high above having any partners. He was a master of hadith&sunna. Every morning after Fajr(dawn) contact prayer he used to give a lecture on hadith from one of the "Sahih" or so-called "authentic" books. I was very excited and whenever I faced a problem I referred it to "Mufti Sahib" and he used to answer me. I remember once I was asked by a relative of mine that which colour did the Prophet Muhammad like most. I said 'green'. She said 'no, that's just a roumer, it's infact yellow.' Note that I talked to a non-Muhram here but only from a distance and because that was an "Islamic" issue. I quickly rushed to the Masjid, asked "Mufti Sahib" and he said 'It's neither yellow nor green. It's white'. I happily ran all the way back i.e. 400 meters and breathing heavily I answered 'It's white'. Oh man, see wht a silly fool I used to be. For these kind of unimportant issues I used to waste my time. It just couldn't get any further. In the month of Ramadan(fasting month) I used to stand for Tarawih(night prayers offered in 2 units each ten times) reciting a thirtieth plus a quarter of a thirtieth of the Quran each night. I thought it was good to listen to the Quran and stand there contact praying extra units. On the internet I continued to preach in this way. I especially had a dialogue with the Christians and the well known missionary guy on the net named 'Quennel Gale'. His site is www.answering-islam.org. I did my best to refute his nonsensible claims about Islam until I got tired one day because he started to deny facts over and over again. I still deny this guy's claim ofcourse because he claims the Quran to have contradictions which have been answered well in detail at www.submission.org. However I'm sure if "Muslims" had kept to the Quran Alone no missionary could have come up with such horrible things as this guy did. Mostly ahadith besides Quran are used to defame Islam. One day I was searching for some "Islamic" article on the net and by mere chance I came across the site www.submission.org, at the age of NINETEEN, which was also in the Holy month of Ramadan. I opened it and found there the answer to the supposed contradictions in the Quran. This was infact what I was looking for to refute those Christian missionaries. What I didn't notice at first is that this site was a Quran ONLY one. That day this fact remained unnoticed by me. But now the website was saved in my explorer. So some days after when I typed in 'www.s' the site appeared to me again. I said to myself 'why not take another visit' and so I did. I read then that the site claimed to be the best source of Islam on the net. This made me think two things. One is that this site must be very good and the other that they might be something fishy about it. I then found out that the site had a 'mathematical miracle of the Quran' article on it. That interested me greatly. I opened it and went through it for some time. I was very impressed. Then somehow I came to know that the site was refuting all ahadith besides Quran which I used to uphold so vehemently. That gave me a great shock. After that I thought that this must be a "satanic" site. Satan played his trick on me. He made the Truth seem to me to be from him and that what is actually from him(satan) to be the "truth", although I must say at this point that some people at s.org have turned Rashad's translations and appendices to be Divine inpiration, which is NOT the case. Only that which was shown based on number 19 and with this the command to follow Quran Alone was his inspiration and NOT all the appendices, neither the translation. This is based on a gross misunderstanding of theirs. Well after noticing this(the hadith issue), I got mad and I tried my best to refute each and everything on that site. I asked so many questions as to how can we perform salat without hadith? How can we know the rate of Zakaat? How can we perform the rites of Hajj and other things like that. I think I'll post that nonsense on the forum separately. Sometimes the Ullema at s.org got very tired of my nonsensible questions. I also talked about this website with my friends and he also supported me that whatever they said was nothing but nonsense, especially the accusation that we "Muslims" cannot mention the name of GOD alone, without getting upset or even slaughtering us, in the Masjids, made my friend say that this is not the case at all, although it is. I only realized this later. I gave s.org a reply in which I said that we could always mention the name of GOD alone in the Masjids and no one will be upset or slaughter me but if I said that Muhammad was GOD then they would indeed slaughter me. I was a real fool at that time and did not realize that the Masjids mostly focus more on Muhammad than on GOD, always praising and glorifying him. They CANNOT mention GOD without mentioning Muhammad's name thereafter. This was later realized by me in full. After studying the page in more depth I found out that it even rejected two verses from the Mushaf, which I at that time thought was Quran too i.e. 9128&129. I found another site 'fakir60.tripod.com'. They had the miracle based on number 19 too but claimed to be 'sunnis' and were against those whom they called 'Khalifites'. You can check out that website. They had done their own research. They also had an article which supposedly proves that 9128&129 do belong to the Quran. This relieved me at that time and I was proud that "my Sunnat jamaat" has struck back again. I almost forgot to tell you that at that time the September 11 attacks have already happened and I was in full support of the Taliban and Osama bin Ladin. I thought they were great heroes fighting for the cause of Islam. I used to read every newspaper eagerly and asked questions as to whether the Taliban had won again. After some months passed there was no sign of them coming back to power. I checked out every website. I even wanted to join Osama bin Ladin and help him but then luckily did NOT. MAN! What a real fool I had been! In the meantime I also kept my focus on the MATHEMATICAL MIRACLE of the Quran. I couldn't leave It. It was pulling me towards Itself. Some time later, I was still NINETEEN at that time, a sudden thought came into my mind "couldn't this miracle be true". I reviewed the miracle. Then I reviewed the part which showed that 9128&129 did NOT belong to the Quran. Then I reviewed the counter article at fakir60.tripod.com and then you know what? I realized that the things that were represented even there were ALSO telling me that those verses do NOT belong to the Quran although the site's intention was to show the opposite. ALLAHu AKBAR! They also did not use a consistent method either. I went back to s.org and viewed the miracle more an more. As it was revealed into my mind, I got struck and somewhere I reached a point where I said to myself 'BY GOD! This is the Truth' i.e. QURAN ALONE and It's mathematical miracle which lead me to believe in this fact. My ego broke into pieces and the fanaticism was over. The Truth was always more important to me than anything else in the world. I only couldn't realize this before. I thank GOD a thousand times for having guided me. So now I was a believer in Quran Alone and Its mathematical miracle. As soon as my parents became to know about this they started to call me one who is deviated from the path. I once went to a "Mufti Alim" with whom I had a discussion and told him not to follow any hadith besides Quran. He came up the same Salat and Zakaat claim. I really became tired. I told him the verse 'Which hadith besides this do they believe in'. He said "No, this doesnt mean that what you are saying. Never did people before relate this verse to such a meaning". He was obviously accusing me of heresy. Then at the end he told me to pray to GOD that He guide me rightly, otherwise I would be lost. He also added that I should be very careful not make a wrong prayer from GOD as then I might be misguided further. So that day I went home thinking about this incident in the night. Next morning I got up for Fajr prayer, offered it and then raised my hands as usual and said to GOD "Oh GOD save me from all FALSE KIND of ahadith". I made this specific prayer because I thought as the "Alim" told me that if I only said "GOD save me from all hadith" then GOD would misguide me by making me reject all, which in fact could have been true since the QURAN is ALSO CALLED HADITH i.e. the BEST HADITH and the ONLY HADITH. So after making this prayer I decided to read the Quran. I took a Mushaf, which does contain the whole Quran in It although it contains other non-Quranic material as well, and opened it. By mere chance these verses appeared to me from Sura Jatheeya These are GOD's revelations that we recite to you truthfully. In which Hadith other than GOD and His revelations do they believe? Woe to every fabricator, guilty. ALLAAAAAAAAAAAHU AL-KABEER(GOD IS THE GREAT)! From there on I knew that GOD had indeed answered my prayer and I was sure that all ahadith besides Quran were mere fabrications. I hope you enjoyed my story, which is a true one. GOD Bless!
  • introduction

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    Salaamu Alaykum brother and welcome to the forum! Unfortunately, I am in California and I do not know if I will be in Bangalore any time soon. Great to hear from fellow Muslims across the planet though! We are very lucky to have this medium to communicate. I hope you enjoy the forum and you find many interesting discussions and respectful commentators. Best wishes for you! Salaam, Clash.
  • Happy to have found a community.

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    English in and of itself is already ridiculous. Linguitics, phonetics & phonlogy, Literary studies, history, cultural studies and much more. Many of my professors believe that ministry is making it difficult on purpose so that the students fail. Well, only was an exaggeration, mostly, I actually have a distaste regarding people from my origin. There are some exceptions though. That's just the supperficial aspect, I feel like I need to lower my expectations. -X Linguistic, History and Culture are indeed interesting subjects.. The english language is a good example... inconsistent grammar, inconsistent spelling... it's the product of mixing languages together.. Predominantly old germanic with good mixes from Latin, French, Slavic and the native tongue of Briton / Celts... plus additional new mixes from Sanskrit, Hindi, Chinese, Malay, Arabic, Hebrew and Turkic.. And voila.. see how different it can be with today's German language.. all within the short timeframe of merely 1500 years..
  • "Free Minds"

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    Fresh new mind is always welcome welcome Keep your mind free...
  • New member! :]

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    Yes, very revealing responses. See how they regard bukhari and their imams and scholars more than they regard God and God's messenger? I liked the detailed posts of the Quran follower. Wasn't surprised by the responses of the hadithers. "Don't think, just believe" is working profoundly on them and I have a feeling its not gonna end well nope Regardless of how rigourous or intense or how long this "science of collection/evaluation of the hadiths and sunnah" has been evolving/practised, it still remains what it is - A game of chinese whispers. My definition of science of hadith science on gossips, paparazzi reports and yellow journalism.
  • Salaam

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    Unity of The Divine's Attributes, i suggest.
  • Hello there..

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    Hello, friend! I lived in Cairo for a year, a long time ago. I got to know some very fine Egyptian people. There are self-righteous bigots in every country. I have a friend in Malaysia who has had to cope with the same problem as yours, except that she has not been beaten; it is a matter large-family disunity. I will just say that courage is required for any deviation from herd mentality, anywhere. I applaud your courage in refusing to be just another counted head of cattle. As H.L. Mencken observed in America, long ago, "The American proletarian fears freedom; he longs for the warmth and smell of the herd, and is willing to take the herdsman with it." May we all be freed from the self-appointed herdsmen of religion and politics. Thank you sturtlaghari
  • Peace be upon you Brothers and Sisters

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    And peace and mercy of God unto you brother (wa alaykum salam wa rahmatullah), Welcome back, glad to hear that you have been called back to Qur'an, alhamduliAllah (Praise be to God). Hope to see you around the forum! Salaam, Clash.
  • Please, help, accusative in 4.24

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    That is the whole point, kitaba make sense kitaabu does not make sense. On the other hand, all gramar is man made.writing is man made. What would be cause for distrust would be that it was made afer the fact or manipulated with a purpose. I this case what I find manipulated is the disregard for a sound that is definitely there in the text and with a meaning that makes more sense than taking it as a nominative. Hi, RED I do not think that those who follow grammar are manipulating anything, grammar is objective if it is used consequently. I only think that if one limits him/herself to grammar rules then he/she is handicapping him/herself. It's like the use of a dictionary. Dictionary is a good tool to start with if one wants to study the quran, but it's a big handicap if you limit yourself only to what a dictionary says. Same for grammar. No, I do not know from where you get the idea. The kum are always allathina amanu. The muhsanaat are not the kum the kum are those who must do as provided by the write of God regarding the muhsanaat. Al muhsanaatu are the subject of the sentence. Sorry, I totally misunderstood you. I thought that is what you were thinking all the time -[ But the good news is that I finally understand what you are saying I have no clue about grammar rules, but if you say that it should be understood like that with grammar then I believe you. But from logical point of view, I think that kitabi/u/a Allah is always general. I mean "the kitab of God" is not only regarding the muhsanaat but regarding everything, thus also in 424. This is actually a good example where I see that grammar limits/degrades the potential of an expression. Or was this also not what you meant -[ Salaam Salaam and have patience with me, I'm a little bit slow
  • Peace and blessings everyone

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    Peace Brian, Welcome to the forum. ) It may be a lonely journey sometimes but here we have a community.
  • Facebookpagina "De Moettaqqoen"

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    Vrede Haniefa en anders Nederlandstalige forum members, Ik woon ook in NL en ik beschouw de Koran als het boek van religieuze leidraad. Ik ben altijd hoopvol om ware broeders en zusters te ontmoeten, met God's wil. Laatst kwam ik een ander Nederlandstalige Facebook groep tegen dat op het eerste gezicht de nadruk had gelegd op 'De koran alleen'. Helaas was de ironie al gauw te proeven door te lezen dat de 19 miracle geaccepteerd en dus ook besproken werd, maar dat een boodschapper van God, de persoon die uit de gratie van God deze boodschap heeft mogen doen verkondigen, simpelweg werd verworpen. Ik hoop dat de Facebook pagina die jij vermeldt, niet zo zal zijn. Ik kon de groep alleen niet vinden op Facebook. Het zou handig zijn als jij hier een link zou plaatsen met God's will. Ik wens jou en jullie allen een vredevolle dag toe. For the English speaking members Peace Hanifa and other Dutch forum members, I also live in the NL and I consider the Qur'an as the book of religious guidance. I am always hopeful in meeting true brothers and sisters in faith God willing. Recently I came had across another Dutch Facebook group, which at first sight, emphasizes "The Quran alone''. Unfortunately, the taste of irony was soon to be dealt with when one could read that the 19 miracle was accepted and therefore was discussed, but that a messenger of God, the person who actually proclaimed this message out of God's grace, was simply rejected. I hope that the Facebook page which you have mentioned will not be like that. However I just could not find the group on Facebook. It would be helpful if you could post a link here with God's will. I wish you all a peaceful day.