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    YAYA
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    Do we worship Muhammad or Allah
    How can they force marriage on their children?
    Why are honor killings allowed?
    Why do men have to grow a beard?
    and so on
    ALLAU ALAMU

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      truthseeker11
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      Peace Wakas,

      I am a little confused by what you mean by "non-Muslims". Is the following what you mean by "non-Muslims"?

      Non-Muslims = anybody other than Muslims (e.g. muslims, Christians, Jews etc.)

      If that is true then a small minority of non-Muslims, i.e. "muslims" might not have the misconception but the majority of "non-Muslims", e.g. Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists etc. have the misconception that the qur'aan has 114 chapters.

      Am I missing something here?

      I would also request you to change the word "Muslims" and "Islam" to "muslims" and "islam" in the misconceptions page. For example

      Gold and silver are banned for Muslims ----> this is not a misconception because gold and silver are actually banned for "Muslims" according to the pagan religion by the name of "Islam", but they are not banned for "muslims" according to "islam". The title should thus be changed to

      Misconception Gold and silver are banned for "muslims".

      Similarly,

      Dogs are not allowed to be kept by Muslims ----> this is not a misconception because dogs are actually not allowed to be kept by "Muslims" according to the pagan religion known as "Islam", but they are allowed to be kept by "muslims" according to "islam". The title should thus be changed to

      Misconception Dogs are not allowed to be kept by "muslims".

      Etc. etc. etc.

      The body of these misconceptions should also be changed accordingly. The title of the main website should also be changed to Common Misconceptions about "islam" and "muslims", instead of Common Misconceptions about Islam and Muslims.

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        Wakas
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        peace ts11,

        By "non-Muslim" I mean anyone not classing themselves as "Muslim".

        And as to your re-wording, yes, this was already discussed previously in the thread.

        All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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          nsws1988
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          Do we worship Muhammad or Allah

          It depends whether you reject hadeeths as they contradict the Quran or reject the Quranic verses against hadeeths

          How can they force marriage on their children?

          I'm sure hadeeths can answer that. 6 year old Aisha?

          Why are honor killings allowed?

          Because according to hadeeths, fornicators are stoned till they die

          Why do men have to grow a beard?

          Because of hadeeths and idolising the Prophet Mohammed

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            Wakas
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            Done
            http//www.misconceptions-about-islam.com/more.htm
            feedback?

            The major delay has been getting content, especially the "wife beating" article, but this is now done and the Arabic info within it is being checked over.

            It is likely there will be a links section, thus any suggestions for links/books to basic/introductory info on islam/quran welcome. Remember, the site is primarily for non-Muslims.

            The accompanying site that will be more aesthetically pleasing and based on content management system software will be quite flexible in look, thus if anyone wishes to suggest pics/background, even design artwork, comic book strips, for certain misconception pages etc feel free. Also, promotional/slideshow presentation videos etc.

            All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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              unknownuser
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              Salaam,
              I had an friend who told me what he really thought of Islam & Muslims one day.
              His misconceptions were;
              Mohammad was a Paedophile
              You're all terrorists
              You hate Dogs
              You can't be married to non-Muslims
              A bunch of dumb Arabs wrote The Qur'an
              It's a desert religion for desert people
              You have to bring your children up Muslim
              You have to go to the Mosque
              You can't make songs about Islam
              I haven't seen him since! voodoo

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                FAR
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                peace all,

                Almost a year after this thread was started, not one response was given to any of the misconceptions listed.

                But it is always better to light a candle than to curse the darkness is it not? ;D

                An initial draft for the following misconceptions have now been done

                Misconception Death for apostasy
                Misconception Stoning to death allowed
                Misconception Must be "Muslim" or you will go to Hell
                Misconception No freedom of religion
                Misconception Women confined to houses
                Misconception Statues/images forbidden
                Misconception A man and woman cannot be alone together
                Misconception Religion and science/reason/knowledge are not compatible
                Misconception Alcohol is forbidden
                Misconception Islam and The Quran promotes a clash of civilisations
                Misconception Islam promotes honour killings of women
                Misconception Allah is the God for Muslims
                Misconception Forced marriage is allowed in Islam
                Misconception Muslims reject Jesus
                Misconception Muhammad was the founder of Islam
                Misconception All Muslims are Arabs
                Misconception Islam was spread by the sword
                Misconception Islam and The Quran promotes fighting, war and terrorism
                Misconception Two female witnesses are equivalent to one male witness
                Misconception Women receive less than men in issues of inheritance
                Misconception Males/Females are required to be circumcised
                Misconception Martyrs will receive 72 virgins in paradise
                Misconception Woman/Eve created from the rib of Man/Adam
                Misconception Islam and The Quran promotes suicide bombing
                Misconception Muslim men have to grow a beard
                Misconception Gold and silver are banned for Muslims
                Misconception Islam and The Quran promotes 'jihad' or 'holy war'
                Misconception Islam and The Quran promotes slavery
                Misconception In Islam homosexuals must be put to death
                Misconception Polygamy - Muslim men can have as many wives as they wish

                The following remain unfinished, thus if anyone wishes to write something, feel free

                women are required to cover up
                wife beating is allowed
                women have no rights in Islam
                the punishment for theft is cutting off the thief's hands

                The site will be catered to misconceptions about islam from non-Muslims, not misconceptions about Islam from traditional Muslims, although some content will overlap. If anyone can think of other misconceptions, feel free to mention them.

                Site launch will be with or without the unifinished ones above, in mid April, GW.

                "Misconception In Islam homosexuals must be put to death" - google the following as it helps define homosexuality in it's proper quranic sense. "andrea dworkin" - wiki that one and go to her relationship. (or should i post the link?) google "swedish homosexual brain science".

                These two provide a solution to the assumed scriptural silence on lesbianism.

                "Misconception Statues/images forbidden" - yes they are, it is related to quran 2101102 in the arabic term of what is translated as magic.

                "Misconception Martyrs will receive 72 virgins in paradise" - that's the lowest number, the rest of us will get more.

                "Misconception Islam and The Quran promotes 'jihad' or 'holy war'" - we must fight against oppression, otherwise quran 4738 the god will remove us with another.

                "Misconception Muslim men have to grow a beard" - we are apes... we shouldn't lie. I also understand that clean facial hair helps with bronchial hygiene.

                "Misconception Two female witnesses are equivalent to one male witness" - only when promoting more women in courts... women don't like being alone.

                "Misconception Islam was spread by the sword" - well if you want to spread butter and only have a sword, well you would need to spread islam with it. And it was in the early days. Though the bread didn't get to the mouths of people until after the ummayyads fell. And then everyone was so eager to eat after the forced starvation.

                "Misconception All Muslims are Arabs" - inshallah, inshallah. We shall all one day be arabs, and speak arabic.

                "Misconception Stoning to death allowed" - it's called guns

                "Misconception A man and woman cannot be alone together" - aye they get married or let him drink her milk.

                "Misconception Allah is the God for Muslims" - the god always answers our prayers.

                "Misconception Women confined to houses" - these days it's women confined out of houses.

                "Misconception Islam promotes honour killings of women" - euthenasia, involuntary and voluntary.

                "Misconception Alcohol is forbidden" - you've had too much, you should go home.

                "Misconception Must be "Muslim" or you will go to Hell" - hell on earth for sure.

                "Misconception Males/Females are required to be circumcised" - if you don't then they'll always be connected to their mothers wombs.

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                  Wakas
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                  FAR, the site is primarily based on solid Quranic references and logic.

                  Therefore, the points you bring up are irrelevant as they are not based on these things. I recommend reading the forum rules
                  http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=8177.0

                  All further posts not on topic will be deleted.

                  All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                    Wakas
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                    Update

                    Multiple new languages added courtesy of google translate.

                    Two new misconceptions added

                    Misconception Islam is a religion
                    Misconception Democracy and islam are not compatible

                    Feedback welcome etc.

                    All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                      hope4
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                      Misconception Islam is a religion

                      Selam Wakas

                      I am starting to believe more and more that Islam is not a religion but what the artice above states it is 'one who surrenders or makes peace'. I am also coming to a conclusion that what is important in Islam is not our rituals but our intentions and commitments for the benefit of mankind to live in peace and prosperity. I may be corrected but this is my thoughts.

                      Peace

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                        ayyub
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                        Selam Wakas

                        I am starting to believe more and more that Islam is not a religion but what the artice above states it is 'one who surrenders or makes peace'. I am also coming to a conclusion that what is important in Islam is not our rituals but our intentions and commitments for the benefit of mankind to live in peace and prosperity. I may be corrected but this is my thoughts.

                        Peace

                        Islam itself is not a religion, however religions have been made based on Islam.

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                          hope4
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                          Islam itself is not a religion, however religions have been made based on Islam.

                          Selam ayyub

                          Very well put.

                          Peace

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                            FAR
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                            Update

                            Multiple new languages added courtesy of google translate.

                            Two new misconceptions added

                            Misconception Islam is a religion
                            Misconception Democracy and islam are not compatible

                            Feedback welcome etc.

                            I cannot accept islam being anything but the religion.

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                              nsws1988
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                              I cannot accept islam being anything but the religion.

                              Peace

                              How would you define the word religion?

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                                FAR
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                                Peace

                                How would you define the word religion?

                                According to the etymology of the term religion and comparing the root of Dal-ya-nun to find matches between the two.

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                                  unknownuser
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                                  Peace Wakas, all

                                  I have 2 misconceptions about islam that can be added.

                                  Misconception Prophet Muhammed knew about the future.

                                  650 Say, "I do not say to you that I posses
                                  God's treasures, nor do I know the
                                  future, nor do I say to you that I am an
                                  angel. I merely follow what is inspired to
                                  me." Say, "Are the blind and the seer the
                                  same? Do you not think?"

                                  7188 Say, "I do not possess for myself any
                                  benefit or harm, except what God wills.
                                  If I could know the future, then I would
                                  have increased my good fortune, and no
                                  harm would have come to me. I am but a
                                  warner and a bearer of good news to a
                                  people who acknowledge."

                                  8124 He has no knowledge of the future.

                                  1131 "Nor do I say to you that I have the
                                  treasures of God, nor do I know the
                                  future, nor do I say that I am an angel,
                                  nor do I say to those whom your eyes
                                  look down upon that God will not
                                  grant them any good. God is more
                                  aware of what is in them; in such case I
                                  would be among the wicked."

                                  Only God knows about the future

                                  7187 They ask you regarding the Hour When will be its time? Say Its knowledge is with my Lord, none can reveal its coming except He. It is heavy through the heavens and the earth; it will not come to you except suddenly. They ask you, as if you are responsible for it! Say Its knowledge is with God, but most of the people do not know.

                                  3134 With God is the knowledge regarding the Hour. And He sends down the rain, and He knows what is inside the wombs. No soul knows what it may gain tomorrow, nor does any soul know in which land it will die. God is Knowledgeable, Expert.

                                  3363 The people ask you regarding the Hour. Say Its knowledge is with God. And for all that you know the Hour may be near!

                                  3179 God was not to leave the believers as they were without distinguishing the rotten from the good. And God was not to let you know the future, but God chooses from His messengers whom He wishes; so believe in God and His messengers. And if you believe and are righteous, then you will have a great recompense.

                                  Misconception That a woman can not travel alone.

                                  http//islamic-practices.suite101.com/article.cfm/women_cannot_go_to_hajj_without_a_mahram

                                  As we know, no verses in the quran tell us that women can not travel alone, can only travel for 1 day without marham etc. Here are the verses in the quran that tells us that whoever wants can travel (whether male or female)

                                  596 Lawful for you is the catch of the sea, to
                                  eat it as enjoyment for you and for those
                                  who travel; and forbidden for you is the
                                  catch of the land as long as you are
                                  under restriction; and be aware of God
                                  to whom you will be summoned.

                                  2184 A number of days. Whoever of you is ill
                                  or traveling, then the same number from
                                  different days; and as for those who can
                                  do so but with difficulty, they may
                                  redeem by feeding the needy. Whoever
                                  does good voluntarily, it is better for
                                  him. If you fast, it is better for you if you
                                  knew.

                                  4100 Whoever emigrates in the cause of God
                                  will find in the land many spoils and a
                                  bounty. Whoever leaves his home
                                  emigrating to God and His messenger,
                                  then is overcome by death; his reward
                                  has fallen to God, and God is Forgiving,
                                  Compassionate.

                                  2218 Those who have acknowledged, and
                                  those who have emigrated and strived in
                                  the cause of God; these are seeking
                                  God's compassion, and God is
                                  Forgiving, Compassionate.

                                  3195 Their Lord answered them "I do not
                                  waste the work of any worker from
                                  among you, be you male or female, you
                                  are all as each other. For those who
                                  emigrated and were driven-out from
                                  their homes and were harmed in My
                                  cause, and they fought and were killed, I
                                  will remit for them their sins and admit
                                  them to paradises with rivers flowing
                                  beneath; a reward from God; and God
                                  has the best reward."

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                                    unknownuser
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                                    I recommend this article below. The article is about the difference between islamic practices today and quranic principles. You can get ideas for your website from this article

                                    http//www.submission.org/corruption.html

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                                      Jafar
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                                      Islam itself is not a religion, however religions have been made based on Islam.

                                      Correct.. "Submission To God's Will" is not a sect or religion... "Submission To God's Will" is an ATTITUDE.
                                      Not ALL sectarian movement / religions are based on "Submission To God's Will".
                                      Infact most of them requires their sect members to be "Submission To Ulema/Priest/Cleric's Will".

                                      However; you can find the "Submission To God's Will" is infact a basic teaching which being described in many books considered as "holy" by those sectarian movements. Such as Tanakh, Gospel, Bhagavad Githa, Tao Te Ching, Rig Veda, Sutras etc..

                                      Salam / Peace

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                                        unknownuser
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                                        I have 2 misconception about islam that can be added.

                                        Misconception Adam and Eve in islam.

                                        Adam is not a person. Adam is mankind. And the woman by the name Eve is not in the quran. Eve is taken from christianity and added to islam.

                                        Misconceptions Jesus being crucified on a cross

                                        Jesus died a natural death. From history people have come to the conclusion that he most likely died in kashmir. The crucifixion is also taken from christianity.
                                        And it is unquranic (not compatible with islam).

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                                          unknownuser
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                                          Salam

                                          Here are 7 more misconceptions about islam

                                          Misconception 1 Meat of different animals are forbidden to eat

                                          Only meat of Pig is illegal.

                                          Misconception 2 The Quranic verses can be abrogated

                                          This is not compatible with quran. It is not a fact.

                                          Misconception 3 Intercession is accepted in islam

                                          The belief in the Prophet's intercession comes from hadith http//www.sunnah.org/ibadaat/tawassul.htm
                                          But this belief is not compatible with Quran (See 651, 2254, 2122-123, 324 and other verses).

                                          Misconception 4 Fatwas are compatible with islam

                                          Misconception 5 That you have to say Shahada to become a muslim.

                                          This is not Quranic. The Quran tells us the following about those who say shahada

                                          Quran 631
                                          When the hypocrites come to you they say We bear witness that you are the messenger of God. And God knows that you are His messenger, and God bears witness that the hypocrites are liars.

                                          This is the greatest testimony

                                          Quran 619
                                          Say Which is the greatest testimony? Say God is witness between me and you, and He has inspired to me this Quran that I may warn you with it and whoever it reaches, that you are bearing witness that with God are other gods! Say I do not bear witness! Say He is only One god, and I am innocent of what you have set up!

                                          Misconception 6 Only the Imams and sheykhs can interpret the Quran

                                          This belief contradicts the following verses in the Quran ( See 5417, 5422).

                                          Misconception 7 Sects are islamic

                                          Sects are not compatible with islam. Prophet Muhammed was not a Sunni or Shia. These are later innovations.
                                          The Quran tells people to not split their systems and become sects (See 3032).

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