Taking off the Hijab
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thats certified! big difference!
no difference, a man sleeps with more than one woman at a time or a woman sleeps with more than one man at a time, same thing, just because some men see this as a right doesnt make it right........but thats another topic.........its till one person sleeping with more than one partner.
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So the Quran was once again wrong in giving this option to the Believers.
So any man who has more than one wife, the ones after the 1st wife are all prostitutes?
My understanding of the definition of prostitute was someone who offers indiscriminately for sexual intercourse especially for money.
Wasn't aware of wives being prostitutes with their husbands.
Or is this a modern new interpretation using the root word.
Peace
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My understanding of the definition of prostitute was someone who offers indiscriminately for sexual intercourse especially for money.
yea, not just money, but for rewards, of different kinds, and sometimes the reward is just the satisfaction of certain desires.
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So the Quran was once again wrong in giving this option to the Believers.
So any man who has more than one wife, the ones after the 1st wife are all prostitutes?
My understanding of the definition of prostitute was someone who offers indiscriminately for sexual intercourse especially for money.
Wasn't aware of wives being prostitutes with their husbands.
Or is this a modern new interpretation using the root word.
Peace
I was using reformers logic not mine and I was referring to the man being a prostitute not the wives as he is the one sleeping with more than one at a time. read reformers claim, its using his deformed logic.
Quran didnt give this option to all believers, but thats another topic ;D
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If you feel a sexual attraction with every woman that is not a ghost princess then I suggest you get some help. This is the problem not that we don't want to cover our hair.
You poor girl... you don't know men at all. But they would be ashamed to tell you that. I'm slightly effeminate, so I'm not going to tell it straight.
If you knew what men were thinking around you... woah would your hand be sore by the end of the day.
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9x5wY6hbX8
Sexual attraction to women is natural in men, it's the first desire made in men by allah.
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http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9x5wY6hbX8
rotfl
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2430 Tell the believing men to lower their gaze and keep covered their private parts, for that is purer for them. God is fully aware of what you do.
Read it again mr... it says "Tell the believers (masculine)...", not "The believers lower their gaze". Because if they did then never would you have love and relationships.
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bravo
I can't see why FAR can't see a modestly dressed women who has her hair uncovered as anything but a sexual object.
So you think I look like a person that would even think of women as sex objects? No... that is sex is what men consider when around a woman. I rather get nervous and try not to think about it, and just swallow.
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oh I do understand sir, I understand because our local veg man felt the need to touch me while I was fully covered and during Ramadan, I understand because the man who collects the rubbish felt the need to put his foot in the door and try to get inside, with his dick in his hand under his galabaya, also during Ramadan, I understand because the local butcher felt the need to grab me from behind while the Quran was playing on the tv in his shop, I fully understand that its MEN that have a problem and not me who needs to cover myself up, all these happened while in a MUSLIM country while I WAS wearing the hijab. >
Being in a "muslim" country... may not make the people muslims.
As for muslim countries, please refer to the following on how such men are likely to rape their own daughters, and then kill them in the name of honor killing.
http//monitor.newsvine.com/_news/2006/11/28/460788-turkeys-kurds-satellite-tv-and-incest
And what so called muslim country is this? And why haven't you learned any self defence or know of beating up such people?
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I can fully relate to that, having experienced similar things.
About 90% of the women in Egypt cover their head or more, yet sexual harassment is a daily occurence for almost every female there. So the argument that hijab prevents harassment in any way is ridiculous. In fact, it increases it because women are being made responsible and men are being told that it is normal to leer at and harass women. They are given a free pass, so to speak.
nopeIn regards to the original subject ... I never understood why hijab has to be an all-or-nothing issue. Once you decide to wear it, you can not take it off and vice versa. Why?
Obviously everyone's understanding of it varies, depending on how we interpret the verses in question, where we live etc. So why not experiment with different ways of covering until you find what suits you best?
peace
Hijab is the SECOND THING, the first thing is to TELL THE BELIEVERS (MASCULINE) TO LOWER THEIR GAZE AND ETC ETC.
Why don't you get that unless muslimahs open their mouths and give men the quran, as a good friend would, that they'd do as the porn channels would have them after they watched them. I'm glad I've been around good muslimahs who've told me to lower my gaze if they found me obviously glaring at women or themselves. Alhamdulillah!
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Being in a "muslim" country... may not make the people muslims.
As for muslim countries, please refer to the following on how such men are likely to rape their own daughters, and then kill them in the name of honor killing.
http//monitor.newsvine.com/_news/2006/11/28/460788-turkeys-kurds-satellite-tv-and-incest
Yes I know first hand of the hypocrisy in muslim countries.And what so called muslim country is this?
This so called muslim country is Egypt
And why haven't you learned any self defence or know of beating up such people?
I was hijabi, not ninja. Now I carry a knife.
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Hijab is the SECOND THING, the first thing is to TELL THE BELIEVERS (MASCULINE) TO LOWER THEIR GAZE AND ETC ETC.
Why don't you get that unless muslimahs open their mouths and give men the quran, as a good friend would, that they'd do as the porn channels would have them after they watched them. I'm glad I've been around good muslimahs who've told me to lower my gaze if they found me obviously glaring at women or themselves. Alhamdulillah!
So again you think its down to the woman to remind you? I thought it was supposed to be women that needed reminding of things.
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You make ludicrous allegations in your tirade using the words Emotional, Defensive, Aggressive, Intimidation and Mocking, once again working on assumptions.
I am not "working on assumptions" but my replies were based on your posts, which are there in black and white for everyone to see.
Ad-hominem attacks, insults etc. are a clear sign of being over-emotional and not able to hold a discussion in an appropriate manner. Quod erat demonstrandum.
Damn, if everything can evolve around Egypt and 'only women experience harassment' in your eyes, what the hell was I expecting from you? A new definition and way of solving the negative exponent on the bottom of a fraction?
I explained to you why I gave the example of harassment in Egypt. If you still conclude from that that "everything revolves around Egypt", I can't help it. Believe what you want to believe.
What you must try to understand because I know it can be difficult once you are in the 'stereotyping' mode, is that I am a man speaking direct to the point. Not one of your female friends, saying one thing but meaning another. There is no secret code here. Trust me.
Who is using stereotypes now? What in the world makes you believe I have female friends who "tell me one thing and mean another"? Where does that come from?
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FYI ... I have female and male friends who tell me their opinion straight in the face.Just in case you didn't get it last time, I will repeat again, I couldn't give a flying f@@@ about what women wear or what they don't want to wear.
Oh really? Then what are you doing in this thread, and why do you keep telling us we should wear hijab, and repeatedly giving the example that your female relatives do so with pride?
hmmYou seem to have a problem with anyone who condones the 'hijab' but are all for anyone who condemns the 'hijab', because this is the NEW way of thinking and interpreting in your eyes. As though the last 1400 years or so has kept women in the dark ages and now you are a bastion of light and freedom for all Muslim women who want to make a change and take a stance.
Unfortunately, your totally off cue assumption or shall I say lack of understanding of my posts, once again confirm to me that you believe that 'hijab' is oppression
Those are your assumptions. I made it perfectly clear that I don't see anyone who wears hijab as oppressed or backwards. If you want to believe otherwise, be my guest.
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Our friend clearly does not know what prostitution is.
you want just to give it a meaning >>> a prostitute who has slept with men without marriage, without legal contract between her and him .
I think all Europe Girls and usa Girls have had slept in high school with many guys, but they married another guys . and I've read a statistics that none of the girls in usa are vergin let alone girls in Europe, so I called them prostitutes.
because the term is valid for every woman had slept with man without marriage .
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you want just to give it a meaning >>> a prostitute who has slept with men without marriage, without legal contract between her and him .
I think all Europe Girls and usa Girls have had slept in high school with many guys, but they married another guys . and I've read a statistics that none of the girls in usa are vergin let alone girls in Europe, so I called them prostitutes.
because the term is valid for every woman had slept with man without marriage .
Wrong. prostitution has nothing to do with sleeping with someone without marriage or we could say there are thousands of Muslim men and women who are prostitutes by that logic and wrong definition.
Prostitution is the giving of sexual favours for financial reward..................hhmm ok I will change what I said because in the majority of muslim countries women are bought for marriage, financial reward is given and the sexual favour granted! Now I understand why you think prostitution is to do with marriage! ;D
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Dear Leyna
Ah yes, now you've become a diagnostic symptom specialist determining the state of ones mind when they are responding on a Forum.
The notion of diversion is a tactic usually employed when one has been exposed with unjustified claims and erroneous logic, so it is easier to change direction rather than deal with the issue at hand.
Anyway, I really cannot be toing and froing with you anymore on this topic. Not when you're prone to outburts.
I leave you with a parting gift
3335 Lo! men who surrender unto Allah, and women who surrender, and men who believe and women who believe, and men who obey and women who obey, and men who speak the truth and women who speak the truth, and men who persevere (in righteousness) and women who persevere, and men who are humble and women who are humble, and men who give alms and women who give alms, and men who fast and women who fast, and men who guard their modesty and women who guard (their modesty), and men who remember Allah much and women who remember--Allah hath prepared for them forgiveness and a vast reward
Peace
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I think all Europe Girls and usa Girls have had slept in high school with many guys, but they married another guys . and I've read a statistics that none of the girls in usa are vergin let alone girls in Europe, so I called them prostitutes.
because the term is valid for every woman had slept with man without marriage .
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since when did 42% equal the 'majority'??
hahah, Yes because some didn't want to say the truth, if they made them under a lie detectors, they will admit that they have slept before marriage and after marriage as well with their friends of their husbands. get real .
Since when did sleeping with more than one man make one a prostitute? a prostitute sleeps with men, ANY man and MANY men, for MONEY.
since Islam has been announced, since 1400 years/ the term prostitute has changed. a woman sleeps with a man(men) without legal contract between both of them(marriage) make a woman a prostitute.
UK's girls sleep with men for pleasure, it's worse rotfl