Taking off the Hijab
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your eagerness in defending them, makes questions about you
What on earth are you insinuating? I should be shocked at this statement, but knowing the illogical twists and turns in previous posts, I'm just amazed that it still continues. Apologise please, this is way beyond a decent discussion.On the topic of "I'm a hijabi and I'm proud of it", some women in my extended family carry this to the extreme. In Disneyworld, in the summer, the full works...gloves, eyes covered etc. Apparently, a crowd of kids thought it was a ninja show. No kidding, they even said it out loud. Everywhere they went, many people stared. It's the same as a woman wearing an extremely revealing dress and going out in a mixed gathering of men, women, children and the pets. Inappropriate. It draws attention, just the opposite extremes of the same coin...both parties consider it their right to wear what they choose and for people to mind their own business. They are proud of what they are and don't mind showing it. Great for drawing the mobs upon themselves, provoking a reaction. In the former case what's frustrating is that it's considered god ordained. Thus, one must be free of criticism in the former and those that say it's inappropriate or stare/comment, their day will come.
I think what the women in this thread are trying to say all along is that it's not god ordained, that those that wear it and act condescending, those that insist that others must wear it or suffer the consequences etc should really stuff it. That's it. Many people wear cultural/ethnic clothes (head scarfs for example on one hand, skirts/blouses on the other), nothing wrong with it...there should be tolerance on both sides. But on both sides also there are examples of taking it too far and of inappropriateness.
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I don't care, they are a bunch >>> I'm talking about the whole country rotfl
Yes you are accusing a whole country of prostitution, including all the muslims that live in those countries. well done bravohahaha, Way to go , no statistics you have yet you're casting the first stone . keep going yay
no you cast the first stone and you brought false statistics then also claimed they were the majority because many lied. You not only accused entire countries of prostitution but also of being liars, keep going.You're defending them, you wasn't correcting the term "prostitute", in fact because you're from UK that's why you are attacking Muslims because of your country. I'm wondering if there will be a war between Muslims and uk, what side do you choose ? I doubt you'll choose Muslims .
now we get to the rediculous as normal with you. It is clear from anyone reading I was correcting your WRONG definition of a prostitute. You are obviously not aware how many muslims are living in UK from many countries and natives who have converted.they are 100, 1000 or even 10.000 Muslims >>>>> look there they are 42% , I think the population in Uk is 60,975,000, so count elektro
more babble to show you are trying to get away from your error.I have statistics and this verse for woman in Islam not outside it. and by the way this verse is for you because you have said (thousands of Muslims) a lie.
the verse is for both of us but I am quite sure I could bring more than 4 witnesses to back up my claim whereas you cannot bring 1 WITNESS to back up your claim that all girls in UK and western countries are not virgins or are prostitutes.any proof ????? see above (the verse that you have stated). you're attacking Muslims, are you Muslim?
hahah, defending the prostitutes, I know that you're following your desires (satan and evil spirit).No its you who are following your desires as you would rather believe all western girls are prostitutes. Yes I have proof that many men here give sexual favours for money, where is your proof ALL western nation women are prostitutes or not virgins?
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Do they not travel through the land, so that their hearts (and minds) may thus learn wisdom and their ears may thus learn to hear?
Truly it is not their eyes that are blind, but their hearts which are in their breasts.
(2246)I think you should understand this verse then you can choose it as a reply because the person who defend sleeping with man without marriage is you not me . who is the blind?
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What on earth are you insinuating? I should be shocked at this statement, but knowing the illogical twists and turns in previous posts, I'm just amazed that it still continues. Apologise please, this is way beyond a decent discussion.
Yes, I agree with what you said , but I'm just confused in why she defends the case when woman sleeps with more than a man without marriage ? and she defends prostitution as well?
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Yes, I agree with what you said , but I'm just confused in why she defends the case when woman sleeps with more than a man without marriage ? and she defends prostitution as well?
show me the post where I have defended anything BUT the incorrect definition of a prostitute.
if a woman OR a man is a prostitute it is not for me to JUDGE as you are doing. Only God knows whats in their hearts, not me and certainly not YOU.
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Yes, I agree with what you said , but I'm just confused in why she defends the case when woman sleeps with more than a man without marriage ? and she defends prostitution as well?
If you agree, then apologise and don't make such insinuations again. It is irrelevant whether in your mind she's "defending the case" as the jumping board to insinuating what you did. It's clear to everyone else, that you're confused yes. Read the posts again slowly and carefully...if that doesn't suffice, go read the definition of a prostitute. The derogatory word you're confusing with prostitute is "slut". The latter sleep with multiple men regardless of pay. -
the only hypocrite in this website I see is you pretending to be a Muslim but you're just trying to ruin Islam (taking off hijab, hadith is rubbish, prostitution, it's ok, being Imama it's ok, ...etc) . this is not a Muslim woman.
Look, you can call me whatever you wish. It is not up to you to decide who is a Muslim and who is not.
I would like you to get your facts straight though. I have nowhere declared that I think prostitution is ok. I abhor it, but that does not mean I can judge or look down on women who do this. But I consider this subject closed for now because this issue does not belong here, and the thread is going OT.
May God forgive you for all the times you've declared takfir on people. hypno
who is the blind?
This verse speaks of wisdom and the need to see things for yourself before jumping to conclusions. It also speaks about the necessity to listen to your heart.
I see no heart whatsoever in your statements, no mercy or kindness. Just hatred and condescension based on hearsay and prejudices people have been feeding you.
Ayisha lives in a Muslim country, she has simply described what she observed. You, on the other hand, have not been to the countries whose inhabitants you so eloquently curse and describe as a bunch of morally depraved people.
So who of the two of you has "travelled through the land" and used their eyes and heart? Certainly not you.
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Yes you are accusing a whole country of prostitution, including all the muslims that live in those countries. well done bravo
No, I'm just talking about the native people, the immigrants of Muslims are away from my statistics .the statistics talked about women in UK , none of them was a muslim woman.
no you cast the first stone and you brought false statistics then also claimed they were the majority because many lied.
aha , she will lie for what ? these are statistics, she will not get famous if she said I sleep with four men.
You not only accused entire countries of prostitution but also of being liars, keep going.
God knows . I accused just the women in statistics and because they are more than 42% and the population is more than 60.000.000 men and women, so by counting you'll get the majority and we will exclude Muslims women because none of them in these statistics.
now we get to the rediculous as normal with you. It is clear from anyone reading I was correcting your WRONG definition of a prostitute. You are obviously not aware how many muslims are living in UK from many countries and natives who have converted.
No, I'm right . you're defending them not the word .
more babble to show you are trying to get away from your error.
I don't know what are you talking about ? !!!!!!!!!!!
the verse is for both of us but I am quite sure I could bring more than 4 witnesses to back up my claim whereas you cannot bring 1 WITNESS to back up your claim that all girls in UK and western countries are not virgins or are prostitutes.
No, it's not. you could bring more than 4 witness, they will witness theirselves. rotfl
http//www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSN1265950
this england http//news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/leicestershire/4889570.stm
No its you who are following your desires as you would rather believe all western girls are prostitutes.
I don't say anything without proof . look at yourself .
http//www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/ad/ad384.pdf
Yes I have proof that many men here give sexual favours for money, where is your proof ALL western nation women are prostitutes or not virgins?
ok , give me your proof ??? I have put a lot of prrofs about what I said . now is your turn .
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I don't care, I've just read it and heard of it in TV, and they have said what I told you
Wow -- you heard it on TV. That must make it true then. Obviously it never crossed your mind for a second that it is a clear violation of God's instructions in the Qur'an which you supposedly know so well.
Hard to believe that this is coming from the same person who screams for scientific proofs and statistics all the time ... ???
edit Could you please quote correctly? The statements in your above posts are not mine. Thanks.
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show me the post where I have defended anything BUT the incorrect definition of a prostitute.
well, everything is on the board, so read what you wrote, I'm not going to waste my time in bringing your posts.
if a woman OR a man is a prostitute it is not for me to JUDGE as you are doing. Only God knows whats in their hearts, not me and certainly not YOU.
I'm not Judging, I'm just saying the truth that there are prostitution whether they are Muslims(are less) or not(are more), but as I see you have jumped from your chair when it was about your country.
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Wow -- you heard it on TV. That must make it true then. Obviously it never crossed your mind for a second that it is a clear violation of God's instructions in the Qur'an which you supposedly know so well.
could you please stop taking what you want to reply ? I've said I just heard it in TV and I told you what they said , I don't care and for my opinion I don't know and it is not my business . so next time take my whole post or don't and leave it.
Hard to believe that this is coming from the same person who screams for scientific proofs and statistics all the time ... ???
Yeah, I always have statistics and scientific facts . deal with it.
edit Could you please quote correctly? The statements in your above posts are not mine. Thanks.
done ; sorry .
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Look, you can call me whatever you wish. It is not up to you to decide who is a Muslim and who is not.
I didn't call you, I've said this is not Muslim woman >>> it's not about you. I mean who agreed with this non-Islamic issues, it is not real Muslim. so you have called yourself .
May God forgive you for all the times you've declared takfir on people. hypno
No, I didn't poit out to this thing, and I'll never do it and God knows what's in my heart, so stop putting words in my mouth . my posts were "are you a Muslim" which is a question , you can say yes or no .
the other one "this is not a Muslim women" which means that I'm talking in general , so I didn't mention anyone from you, I just said that this things are not a Muslim women deeds.This verse speaks of wisdom and the need to see things for yourself before jumping to conclusions. It also speaks about the necessity to listen to your heart.
Your heart can be deceptive, don't forget taking with you your brain .
I see no heart whatsoever in your statements, no mercy or kindness. Just hatred and condescension based on hearsay and prejudices people have been feeding you.
well, you don't know .
Ayisha lives in a Muslim country, she has simply described what she observed.
she observed two or three person or even 10 persons and she said many , what's that supposed to mean and then she said thousands, she was there or what ?
You, on the other hand, have not been to the countries whose inhabitants you so eloquently curse and describe as a bunch of morally depraved people.
I brought statistics not like her .just bla bla bla without any proofs.
So who of the two of you has "travelled through the land" and used their eyes and heart? Certainly not you.
that doens't mean she said thousands (1000000......) which is a huge number . so she lied .
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well, everything is on the board, so read what you wrote, I'm not going to waste my time in bringing your posts.
Exactly. Everything is on the board, and it is clear for everyone except you to see that your accusations were wrong. So why not apologize and let it go instead of insisting?
nope
Wow -- you heard it on TV. That must make it true then. Obviously it never crossed your mind for a second that it is a clear violation of God's instructions in the Qur'an which you supposedly know so well.
could you please stop taking what you want to reply ? I've said I just heard it in TV and I told you what they said , I don't care and for my opinion I don't know and it is not my business . so next time take my whole post or don't and leave it.
What are you talking about? Yes, you said you heard it on TV, and that's what I quoted.
You made a very careless statement about a serious issue when you previously claimed that there is a "necessity" to circumcize girls in Egypt. You also told me that you know "more about the issue" than I do, thus suggesting you have done extensive research on the subject.
Then you retracted and said you "just heard it on TV". The Qur'an (and common sense) tell us that this is in no way sufficient to base a claim on.
Now you are saying you don't have an opinion and don't know anything about the issue; then why did you make those statements in the first place? You are contradicting yourself.
Yeah, I always have statistics and scientific facts . deal with it.
Erm ... no. You keep asking for statistics or scientific proof, then you reject it and say you don't care for science (as in the left hand -- right hand thread, for example). And when asked by others to verify your claims, you hardly ever give solid statistics, let alone credible sources.
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No, I'm just talking about the native people, the immigrants of Muslims are away from my statistics .the statistics talked about women in UK , none of them was a muslim woman.
prove it. How can you say non were muslim? there is a LARGE muslim population in UK so your statistics are not valid unless it takes form the population AS A WHOLEaha , she will lie for what ? these are statistics, she will not get famous if she said I sleep with four men.
YOU said that many lied, not me. ???God knows . I accused just the women in statistics and because they are more than 42% and the population is more than 60.000.000 men and women, so by counting you'll get the majority and we will exclude Muslims women because none of them in these statistics.
Rubbish! you say you want statistics but then claim even the statistics YOU bring are false! Now you claim this doesnt include muslim women!No, I'm right . you're defending them not the word .
Read again. I am correcting YOUR WRONG DEFINITION. YOU are now defending muslims af ANY wrong wherever they are in the world of 'statistics'I don't know what are you talking about ? !!!!!!!!!!!
no, and most have no idea what you are babbling about either.
No, it's not. you could bring more than 4 witness, they will witness theirselves. rotfl
http//www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSN1265950
you show me a site that says 16 porn stars in US have aids? ??? How about this
http//www.islamonline.net/English/News/2003-12/01/article08.shtml
"As the number of AIDS patients has risen to a surprising - yet alarming - levels in Arab and Islamic countries over the last few years....
"Saudi Arabia announced Monday, December 1, that 6,787 are living with HIV infection, five times higher than the number of the cases reported by the conservative Islamic kingdom in early August 2002.this england http//news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/leicestershire/4889570.stm
i have to tell you that Leicester has one of the largest UK muslim populations ;DI don't say anything without proof . look at yourself .
http//www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/ad/ad384.pdf
http//www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/KB24Ak02.html
" How, then, should we explain an eruption of social pathologies in Iran such as drug addiction and prostitution, on a scale much worse than anything observed in the West?"http//www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1298319/
"Muslim countries, previously considered protected from HIV/AIDS due to religious and cultural norms, are facing a rapidly rising threat. Despite the evidence of an advancing epidemic, the usual response from the policy makers in Muslim countries, for protection against HIV infection, is a major focus on propagating abstention from illicit drug and sexual practices. Sexuality, considered a private matter, is a taboo topic for discussion. Harm reduction, a pragmatic approach for HIV prevention, is underutilized. The social stigma attached to HIV/AIDS, that exists in all societies is much more pronounced in Muslim cultures"http//www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,443678,00.html
Sex and Taboos in the Islamic World
"Rabat, Morocco. Every evening Amal the octopus vendor looks on as sin returns to his beach. It arrives in the form of handholding couples who hide behind the tall, castle-like quay walls in the city's harbor district to steal a few clandestine kisses. Some perform balancing acts on slippery rocks and seaweed to secure a spot close to the Atlantic Ocean and cuddle in the dim evening light. The air tastes of salt and hashish. On some mornings, when Amal finds used condoms on the beach, he wishes that these depraved, shameless sinners -- who aren't even married, he says -- would roast in hell."need more?
ok , give me your proof ??? I have put a lot of prrofs about what I said . now is your turn .
You have put NO proof, you have answered NO questions.
Also the last few quotes of MINE you have wrongly attributed to Leyna. Please engage brain before posting.
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the first wasn't about you / I was talking about deeds of non-Muslim woman, so I didn't talk about you whether you're a Muslim or not .
the second is you pretending to be a Muslim, so no relation between the first sentence in the second one . one is an identity not yet specified, the second trying to find an identity .
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the second is you pretending to be a Muslim
I am not sure whether this is the language barrier again, if it's sheer lack of logical thinking, or if you are seriously believing what you just wrote contradicts my earlier post.
If someone pretends to be a Muslim, he or she is per definition NOT a Muslim. How dare you deciding who is a Muslim and who is not?!
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I didn't call you, I've said this is not Muslim woman >>> it's not about you. I mean who agreed with this non-Islamic issues, it is not real Muslim. so you have called yourself .
the only hypocrite in this website I see is you pretending to be a Muslim but you're just trying to ruin Islam (taking off hijab, hadith is rubbish, prostitution, it's ok, being Imama it's ok, ...etc) . this is not a Muslim woman.
No, I didn't poit out to this thing, and I'll never do it and God knows what's in my heart, so stop putting words in my mouth . my posts were "are you a Muslim" which is a question , you can say yes or no .
the other one "this is not a Muslim women" which means that I'm talking in general , so I didn't mention anyone from you, I just said that this things are not a Muslim women deeds.You have decided that those not wearing hijab, not following hadith are not Muslim women, YOU have judged and YOU have decided. The quotes are there for all to see and yes God does know whats in your heart and only HE decides who is muslim or not.