Here is my Ultimate Answer to the Top Question of Sunnis and Shiites
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Dear Jawad & Company!
Brother Edip Yuksel?s UNTIMATUM is a detailed and complete reply to your TRIVIAL ?questions? and it will not be fitting to add anything to it.
Although if you pay enough attention to brother Edip?s article, you?ll also be able to read in-between the lines, some answers to not so trivial differences between you, the sectarians and us, the Muslims. Here I?ll bring up a few of them again.
BTW, let me just imitate you guys and just copy & paste for once. The following was my reply to zulu12 with the relevant Qur?aanic references, which you guys are so frightened about, just like the FRIGHTENED RUNAWAY DONKEYS! See 7449,50.
Dear zulu12,
Like I said, half of your post is set aside to idolize the Prophet(pbuh). In spite of The Qur?aanic directives emphasizing that Muhammad was only a human just LIKE us, see 18110, You the sectarians(all different sects) turned right back on your heels 180 degrees not long after the Prophet?s death, see 3144, and went right back to the way of your forefathers, started idolizing the created mortals instead of worshiping ALLAH(swt) ALONE.
Like I said, you are even frightened to mention any verses of The Qur?aan in your posts as references to your claims. You?ve got stuck with the 1400-YEAR DEAD MAN and forgot all about THE LIVING, THE ETERNAL, and The Qur?aan He has sent down to us through the messenger, but you have completely forgotten the MESSAGE, 2530, and kept worshiping the messenger that could?ve been any human picked by GOD if He Willed.
Like I said, you, instead of upholding the SALAAH for commemoration of ALLAH ALONE, 2014, you kept mentioning the DEAD prophets and their companions and their families and? in your salaah. If that is not idolizing others, than GOD, then what is it?
Like I said, you call upon other than ALLAAH in your call to prayers/ADZAN in spite of the straightforward verse 7218 in The Qur?aan. In the ?1st pillar? of your belief, SHAHAADAH, in spite of the straightforward verse 318, among others, in The Qur?aan, instead you?ve proved to be the examples of the hypocrites in verse 631. If that is not idol worship, then what is it?
Like I said, because you idolize the Prophet, you DO make dedifferentiation between the messengers of GOD instead of following the straightforward verses of The Qur?aan, commanding you not to do so, see 2285, among others.
Like I said, you consider the Prophet to intercede on your behalf at the Judgment in spite of the straightforward verse 2254, among others.
Like I said, in spite of the existence of ONLY ONE SACRED mosque, i.e., ALMASJIDULHARAAM in Mecca, you consider the prophet?s mosque in Medina to be another masjidulharaam as well, and have made its pilgrimage almost mandatory in completing the HAJJ ritual.
Last but not least, and like I said, in spite of straightforward directives in The Qur?aan, see 937, not to change the FOUR SACRED/HARAAM MONTHS around, you have changed them all around. According to The Qur?aan the four sacred months must be four CONSECUTIVE months, but you?ve separated them from each other. According to The Qru?aan the months of HAJJ pilgrimage are the FOUR CONSECUTIVE SACRED months, but you have limited HAJJ to be performed in a TORTUROUS and extremely RUSHING, within the only several days of the last month of the lunar year.
Of course there are a lot more transgressions on the part of the sectarians, which we can elaborate on in the future, GOD WILLING.
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Dear kgwithnob
Maybe english is not your first language so not understanding my original reply to you was difficult.
You guys are the newly invented sects. You guys have ripped apart Islam for yourselves and are trying to make a new religion out of the Quran.
I asked some of your buddies a straightforward and simple question which was answered with such ludicrous sesame street stories, that I nearly fell of my chair with laughter. So maybe you will be able to answer it for them
How can we (and by this I mean the majority if not the whole of the Muslim community) be wrong with over 1300 years experience and knowledge and you guys be right with only 100 years of experience and knowledge when we both have identical source (the Quran) as our guidance?
At least Edip was brave enough to admit his non performance of prayers because he is fighting with his inner demons. Even though he tried to style it out in a literary sense, but we managed to read between the lines and got the first article of your belief system. Abandon prayer!
You guys have a conference coming up in June of this year in the UK. Why don't you guys issue an open challenge to every and any Muslim from around the world, that you are right and they are wrong and you will prove it in open Forum?
Peace
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Here is my Ultimate Answer to the Top Question of the Blind followers of Shiite and Sunni Dogmas
Edip Yuksel
Like many of those who have rejected polytheism and decided to dedicate the system to God alone by following Quran alone as sole authority for our eternal salvation, I am tired of hearing ignorant enemies of islam (peacemaking), the question of sunni and shiite mushriks "If you follow the Quran alone, then tell me how can you observe the Sala prayer?"
I have learned that it is futile to inform them that the Sala prayer did not start with Muhammad, or that his Hadith-Sunna sources did not have video clips of Muhammad, that it is impossible to observe Sala according to Hadith books since they contain many contradictory reports, or that the required details of Sala is already given by the Quran, or that the details they are looking for are trivial and their mentality is no different than those Jews who asked the color and age of the heifer? or any other answer that require acknowledgement of the Quran, critical thinking, and cognitive skills... They just do not get it. They are under hypnosis of devils who continuously tell them that "God is not enough" that "God's word is useless without the Hadith," stories fabricated and reported by the enemies of the messenger (6112-116, and many other verses where the word Hadith is used for other than the Quran) ...
So, here is my answer to those who bring up the details of Sala prayer, when they are reminded with the message of the Quran
If in order to pray with all the trivial details I need to follow Hadith and Sunna, I would prefer not to pray at all.
If in order to pray with all the trivial details I need to give up using my brains and become a muqallid (blind follower of a dogma), I would prefer not to pray at all.
If in order to pray with all the trivial details I need to add Muhammad's name NEXT TO God in KALIMA-YI TAWHID (Statement of Unity), I would prefer not to pray at all.
If in order to pray with all the trivial details I need to kill those who turn away from my religion, I would prefer not to pray at all.
If in order to pray with all the trivial details I need to follow a role-model who married a 9 years-old girl while he was a 54 years-old man, I would prefer not to pray at all.
If in order to pray with all the trivial details I need to follow role-model who tortured and gouged people's eyes with hot nails, I would prefer not to pray at all.
If in order to pray with all the trivial details I need to believe that God's chosen role model could not learn how to read and write while delivering a book for 23 years, I would prefer not to pray at all.
If in order to pray with all the trivial details I need to believe that if my mother and sister pass in front of my prayer I should consider them like a dog and pig, I would prefer not to pray at all.
If in order to pray with all the trivial details I need to believe that following the Prophet means following those who fabricated false stories 200-300 years after him, I would prefer not to pray at all.
If in order to pray with all the trivial details I need to believe that all those companion of the Prophet Muhammad who killed each other after Muhammad, without exception are my guiding stars, I would prefer not to pray at all.
If in order to pray with all the trivial details I need to believe that my Holy Book's verses contradict each other and thus abrogate each other, I would prefer not to pray at all.
If in order to pray with all the trivial details I need to believe that a hungry holy goat ate the "verse of stoning" and thus it was abrogated from the Quran after Muhammad's death, I would prefer not to pray at all.
If in order to pray with all the trivial details I need to stone people do death for adultery, I would prefer not to pray at all.
If in order to pray with all the trivial details I must embrace and practice the medieval Arab and Jewish culture as divine law I would prefer not to pray at all.
If in order to pray with all the trivial details I need to prohibit God's blessings, I would prefer not to pray at all.
If in order to pray with all the trivial details I need to force my wife, sister or daughter to walk in a black sack, I would prefer not to pray at all.
If in order to pray with all the trivial details I need to be an ingrate and betrayer of the Quran, I would prefer not to pray at all.
If in order to pray I have to believe in sahaba with extraordinary memories who reported the last statements of the last sermon of the Prophet Muhammad in three contradictory versions, I would prefer not to pray at all.
If in order to pray I have to believe that the Quran alone misguides people while at the same time I should respect hadith books reporting that all prominent companions of the Prophet Muhammad agreed with Omar's statement, "Hasbuna Kitabullah" (God's Book is Sufficient for us), yes, if I need to swim in the quagmire of contradictions, then I would prefer not to pray at all.
If in order to pray with all the trivial details I have to dream living in a country governed by mullahs, Talibans, salafis and oppressive kings I would prefer not to pray at all.
If in order to pray with all the trivial details I need to screw up my brain with the volumes of contradictory hadith and sectarian teachings, I would prefer not to pray at all.
If in order to pray with all the trivial details I need to express my devotion to God alone by telling him "iyyaka nabudu wa iyyaka nastain" but while sitting I need to betray those words by addressing his prophet in second person, "assalamu alayKA AYYUHA an-Nabiyyu", thereby considering a dead person another Omnipresent god, I would prefer not to pray at all.
If in order to pray with all the trivial details I need to be an ignorant polytheist who follow a religion concocted by a corporation consisting of Allah + Muhammad + Sahaba + Tabiin + Emams + Clergymen, I would prefer not to pray at all.
The Sala prayer according to the Quran prohibits evil and vice (2945) but the Sala prayer according to Bukhari, Muslim, Tirmizi, Abu Dawud, Ibn Majah, Ibn Hanbal, Kitab al-Kafi, Man la yahduruhu al-Faqih, Tahdhib al-Ahkam, Al-Istibsar, etc, promotes evil and vice, ignorance and arrogance.
Peace,we can also say that you are a polytheist who reject the verses of quran! and how can you remind someone the message when you are unable to understand it yourself?
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zulu12,
Insistence on "my forefathers are older than your forefathers kthxbye" is sesame street ludicrous. It just takes one bad apple to spoil an entire barrel and henceforth propagating the disease onward to more barrels if they are connected as can be seen in circumstances around us even now. The reason why most people buy into this sort of crap is exactly this psychology of mfaotyf (bloodline bs also falls in this category) etc and deviating from the norm is considered not a part of the huddling sheep/cattle unity punishable by death or in less extreme circumstances shame, ridicule and exile amongst other things. Herd mentality is king in human nature, so crowing about being part of a bigger gang of farm animals doesn't make it right or wrong.
As for "well how do you people do what we do, you can't haha, you're lost hoho!" is even more ludicrous. It's like asking why the grouch likes cookies. It's not about doing what is "understood as being right" by the bigger herd of farm animals. It's asking what should be done regardless of what the bigger pack of animals deems right.
Confusion is discomforting. It can also lead to questioning and the right path that we all have to find for ourselves. Not following the bigger pack because it must be right because you know it's bigger! Arguing on this basis is idiotic and illogical.
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Dear savage_carrot
But one point you tend to miss in your analogy is that we humans are not robots programmed with the same computer chip to walk in straight lines like in iRobot.
Every human being on the face of the earth is unique and has their own mental capacity to think, choose, accept or reject.
Why have we chosen to follow the same path for over 1400 years using the Quran as a collective but studying it as individuals and still reach the same conclusion?
What study materials or brain cells do you possess that over 1 billion other Muslims do not possess where they cannot think for themselves and have been mass controlled?
Why are you dudes the first in nearly 1300 years to come up with your position considering you have the least amount of knowledge compared to Muslims who had way more knowledge of Quranic Arabic and previous Scriptures than you dudes over the last 1300 years, carried out much more research into the Quran than you guys, were closer in timespan to the deliverer of the Message than you guys, lived in the region where it was delivered and had first hand experience than you guys?
If you were using one source and we were using another source, one could then understand a possible explanation. However, if we both are using the same source and we never had a problem for over 1300 years, but then all of a sudden 100 years ago you come up with a totally opposite end of the spectrum opinion. This would mean that either you are jealous of our success because we are right and you want the limelight all to yourselves or you have been paid to sabotage the (corporation) because we are right. Either way it's a lose/lose situation for you.
Whichever way you look at it, you have absolutely no leg to stand on. And this is a fact.
Until you can claw back the 1300 years experience (which is impossible no matter how hard you try and whatever calculation or technique you use) and make us the minority within the Muslim community and you become the majority, you will stay at the bottom of the ladder, as you are now and be classed as Deviant Heretics.
I have no problem with whatever stand you use, but do not claim to be followers of the Quran when quite clearly you are not.
Peace
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Where in the hadith books does it say how to make food, which job offer to take, which wive to marry, how many kids to have, are we allowed to send satellites to space and on Mars, are we allowed to bathe with our wives, can we shorten our hair, keep it long, how often to change sheets, is Coke halal since Muhammad did not have it, can we wear jeans, is watching dressed woman on Tv a sin, how about if she's undressed, what about computers, cars, cellphones, facebook, emails, oil buying and stealing, can my daughter have a fish tank, can we have a puppy, can we throw food to birds in the park, can we have a park in the city, can we dye our hair, is it allowed to climb mountains for Guiness book of records, which neighbor to visit first when the entire street has a flu,.....??????????
Want more? rotflLovely. Defeat the ridiculous with another ridiculous! bravo
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Dear brother Khalil,
Your article below demonstrates your clear understanding of the message of the Quran and your knowledge. Mashallah. I invite you to write articles for 19.org site. I will also recommend you to deenresearch.org
Edip
Dear Jawad & Company!
Brother Edip Yuksel?s UNTIMATUM is a detailed and complete reply to your TRIVIAL ?questions? and it will not be fitting to add anything to it.
Although if you pay enough attention to brother Edip?s article, you?ll also be able to read in-between the lines, some answers to not so trivial differences between you, the sectarians and us, the Muslims. Here I?ll bring up a few of them again.
BTW, let me just imitate you guys and just copy & paste for once. The following was my reply to zulu12 with the relevant Qur?aanic references, which you guys are so frightened about, just like the FRIGHTENED RUNAWAY DONKEYS! See 7449,50.
Dear zulu12,
Like I said, half of your post is set aside to idolize the Prophet(pbuh). In spite of The Qur?aanic directives emphasizing that Muhammad was only a human just LIKE us, see 18110, You the sectarians(all different sects) turned right back on your heels 180 degrees not long after the Prophet?s death, see 3144, and went right back to the way of your forefathers, started idolizing the created mortals instead of worshiping ALLAH(swt) ALONE.
Like I said, you are even frightened to mention any verses of The Qur?aan in your posts as references to your claims. You?ve got stuck with the 1400-YEAR DEAD MAN and forgot all about THE LIVING, THE ETERNAL, and The Qur?aan He has sent down to us through the messenger, but you have completely forgotten the MESSAGE, 2530, and kept worshiping the messenger that could?ve been any human picked by GOD if He Willed.
Like I said, you, instead of upholding the SALAAH for commemoration of ALLAH ALONE, 2014, you kept mentioning the DEAD prophets and their companions and their families and? in your salaah. If that is not idolizing others, than GOD, then what is it?
Like I said, you call upon other than ALLAAH in your call to prayers/ADZAN in spite of the straightforward verse 7218 in The Qur?aan. In the ?1st pillar? of your belief, SHAHAADAH, in spite of the straightforward verse 318, among others, in The Qur?aan, instead you?ve proved to be the examples of the hypocrites in verse 631. If that is not idol worship, then what is it?
Like I said, because you idolize the Prophet, you DO make dedifferentiation between the messengers of GOD instead of following the straightforward verses of The Qur?aan, commanding you not to do so, see 2285, among others.
Like I said, you consider the Prophet to intercede on your behalf at the Judgment in spite of the straightforward verse 2254, among others.
Like I said, in spite of the existence of ONLY ONE SACRED mosque, i.e., ALMASJIDULHARAAM in Mecca, you consider the prophet?s mosque in Medina to be another masjidulharaam as well, and have made its pilgrimage almost mandatory in completing the HAJJ ritual.
Last but not least, and like I said, in spite of straightforward directives in The Qur?aan, see 937, not to change the FOUR SACRED/HARAAM MONTHS around, you have changed them all around. According to The Qur?aan the four sacred months must be four CONSECUTIVE months, but you?ve separated them from each other. According to The Qru?aan the months of HAJJ pilgrimage are the FOUR CONSECUTIVE SACRED months, but you have limited HAJJ to be performed in a TORTUROUS and extremely RUSHING, within the only several days of the last month of the lunar year.
Of course there are a lot more transgressions on the part of the sectarians, which we can elaborate on in the future, GOD WILLING.
Peace,
Khalil -
zulu12,
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Confusion is discomforting. It can also lead to questioning and the right path that we all have to find for ourselves. Not following the bigger pack because it must be right because you know it's bigger! Arguing on this basis is idiotic and illogical.Mashallah fresh carrot ;D
Peace
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Dear brother Khalil,
Your article below demonstrates your clear understanding of the message of the Quran and your knowledge. Mashallah. I invite you to write articles for 19.org site. I will also recommend you to deenresearch.org
Edip
Salaam Dear brother Edip,
Thanks for your kind words and encouragements. In my last leg of relatively long journey to Monotheism, the late Dr. Khalifa, you, and a few others like you have been mainly my role models, thank GOD.
May ALLAAH(SWT) guides us all in His light and increases our knowledge. Inshaa ALLAAH.
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But one point you tend to miss in your analogy is that we humans are not robots programmed with the same computer chip to walk in straight lines like in iRobot.
Every human being on the face of the earth is unique and has their own mental capacity to think, choose, accept or reject.
Why have we chosen to follow the same path for over 1400 years using the Quran as a collective but studying it as individuals and still reach the same conclusion?
What study materials or brain cells do you possess that over 1 billion other Muslims do not possess where they cannot think for themselves and have been mass controlled?
Why have so many people in groups chosen to do something even if it is the most stupid and foolish thing to have done through the ages? Even when we are supposed to use our heads individually as it were? Just because you haven't seen the scale of sheer stupidity till now doesn't mean the same principle isn't at work, because it is. Humans want to belong. They feel safety in numbers. Majority of the people belonging to a certain group are NOT questioning the mission statement etc of the group, they are just there for the belonging aspect for whatever benefit it gives them, whether to blend in with the rest of the people around them, whether to satisfy some deep seated need for socialising/general spirituality, whether it's whatever...the bigger the group it is, the more hypnotic the lure, thanks to the mfaotyf effect which you demonstrate so well. And it is well demonstrated over and over again throughout the ages, through events happening all around us how well this herd mentality works.
Why are you dudes the first in nearly 1300 years to come up with your position considering you have the least amount of knowledge compared to Muslims who had way more knowledge of Quranic Arabic and previous Scriptures than you dudes over the last 1300 years, carried out much more research into the Quran than you guys, were closer in timespan to the deliverer of the Message than you guys, lived in the region where it was delivered and had first hand experience than you guys?
We dudes are not the first. Did you read any of the links posted to you regarding this over multiple threads? Secondly, once again lay down the illogical arguments dude. Argue on the basis of content rather than "ancient peoples were plenty wise n pretty n we r not".If you were using one source and we were using another source, one could then understand a possible explanation. However, if we both are using the same source and we never had a problem for over 1300 years, but then all of a sudden 100 years ago you come up with a totally opposite end of the spectrum opinion. This would mean that either you are jealous of our success because we are right and you want the limelight all to yourselves or you have been paid to sabotage the (corporation) because we are right. Either way it's a lose/lose situation for you.
It's not a mystery how things that started off on the right foot take a nosedive and are/is picked up by another group/multiple groups and used politically. It has happened so many times that it really isn't something one can deny no matter how much they would like to. Some of these groups started using another source and that too is evident. 1300 years and never had a problem? Now, that is sheer optimism or hopeless delusion. Hundreds of sects, bloodshed, mayhem and upheaval is not a problem. Right. Jealous of your success that is why "we" advocate the opposite of what you guys do (which according to you is a winning formula), now why would "we" do that? Wouldn't "we" rather emulate you in a Sunni v2.0 manner rather than something that's completely different? Paid to sabotage? This very same "group" that you say is completely confused and has no direction, floundering in the rough high seas of disunity and anarchy have the balls to do that? Really? You aren't related to a certain member called "farida" on the board are you? Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean the "foreign hand/sabotage" is behind it. Argue on the basis of content not whimsical meanderings with no evidence.Whichever way you look at it, you have absolutely no leg to stand on. And this is a fact.
Until you can claw back the 1300 years experience (which is impossible no matter how hard you try and whatever calculation or technique you use) and make us the minority within the Muslim community and you become the majority, you will stay at the bottom of the ladder, as you are now and be classed as Deviant Heretics.
Yeah, "we're the bigger group thus we're right" nonsense again. Don't you know it's illogical? Of course you do, that's not relevant though is it...doesn't matter what's logical, we have the numbers yay!I have no problem with whatever stand you use, but do not claim to be followers of the Quran when quite clearly you are not.
Clearly, you must have your head reeling from seeing all the purchases your wife brought home and you're taking it out on us. Or maybe you didn't have a picnic this weekend and that zulu12 without picnic food is one angry dude. You obviously do have a problem with the stand "we" use and want "us" not to use a stand with no argument on content but on "we r moar rawrrrr". This is idiotic and illogical. -
Why have we chosen to follow the same path for over 1400 years using the Quran as a collective but studying it as individuals and still reach the same conclusion?
What study materials or brain cells do you possess that over 1 billion other Muslims do not possess where they cannot think for themselves and have been mass controlled?
Why are you dudes the first in nearly 1300 years to come up with your position considering you have the least amount of knowledge compared to Muslims who had way more knowledge of Quranic Arabic and previous Scriptures than you dudes over the last 1300 years, carried out much more research into the Quran than you guys, were closer in timespan to the deliverer of the Message than you guys, lived in the region where it was delivered and had first hand experience than you guys?This zulu12 guy is the personification of the word ?delusional?. Look at what he?s saying
- Muslims study the quran individually and reach the same conclusion.
I actually lol?ed when I read this. Most Muslims studied the Quran?! Try asking them the meaning of FATIHA and you will see how much they studied it.
Quran only movements are only at most 100 years old
Another mistake. Shafiee talked about quran only movements in his own defense of the primacy of the sunna. If Shafiee mentioned them then you gotta know they were BIG at the time.
Sunnis had ?way more? knowledge of Quranic arabic and the sciences of the quran
This is perhaps the height of delusion. That?s why zulu will do his pathetic broken record act and keep extolling the non-existent virtues of sunni scholarship.
Just ask them how many ayat are abrogated and you will see what a muddled mass of confusion it all is.
Zulu, why don?t u actually come forward and defend this ?1300 years of impeccable scholarship?.
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It's time to either put up or shut up!
Like I said before, you guys have absolutely no leg to stand on no matter which way you look at it. The blind leading the blind.
Getting back to the real world and not in your Desire Minds cloud cuckoo land planet deviation, it's time to spend more money on shopping and have another picnic which some of you guys also resent because you are not in position to do the same. (they know who they are). ;D.
Don't hate - appreciate.
Peace
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Ok so more rhetoric yet zero substance.
Lets get back to examining your 1300 years of scholarship which each Muslim arrived at on his own, lol.
In this scholarship, can you tell me what is the unanimously agreed upon number of verses which are abrogated?
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Wow this was unexpected...So who bet that zulu12 could debate logically? None of you? Smart.
RH does the "you're just jealous elhamdulilah" much better btw...why don't you just shut up now instead of wasting our time and bandwidth with this illogical crap...unless you've also been paid by the "mysterious hand that pays" to sabotage the site
Shopping and picnics seem perfect for you btw, leave the debating to those that can actually understand/handle it.
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Salam, and peace to all,
The same questions and debates again and again.
People seems to fail to understand the meanings of some quranic key words. Normal thousands of years of brain washing did the job well.
Prayer is at any time and in any position, in arabic prayer is "da'a" and "dhakara" remembering the name of God, 3191, 4103, 1012.
Salat is also a way of remembering the name God but is different because of his specificity i terms of when and how.
Salat, the bond is at prescribed time 11114 and needs requirment such as "ghusul" 56.The article of Dr Ayman summarize quiet well what all truth seekers found on the subject.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9600188.0Peace
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Dear savage_carrot
You're right. I'll leave the debating to you Great Debaters, because we are too stupid with no logic or reason even though we hold the experience, knowledge, power and authority!
I'll stick to shopping and spending like a good little bimbo (lifes a b_tch for some), whilst you can be the decision making intellectuals scraping at the bottom of the barrel hoping to get a sideways glance in order to feel 'loved'. pr
Peace
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Dear savage_carrot
You're right. I'll leave the debating to you Great Debaters, because we are too stupid with no logic or reason even though we hold the experience, knowledge, power and authority!
I'll stick to shopping and spending like a good little bimbo, whilst you can be the decision making intellectuals scraping at the bottom of the barrel hoping to get a sideways glance in order to feel 'loved'. pr
Peace
Dear zulu12, you obviously have some resentment issues. You prove your lack of logic/reason in almost every post but please don't stop with the personal snippets, I like to live vicariously through your very exciting life posts. I always thought picnics were like underestimated rollercoasters and shopping like the thrill one gets from pulling 9g maneuvers.
As for you holding anything, I hope perhaps some shreds of dignity if you can walk away from these threads without exposing anymore.
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Dear abdalquran
Put up or shut up. Simples!
What would you have me put up? YOU'RE the one who made the assertion about the great 1300 years of scholarship and how every muslim studied and arrived at the same conclusion. So its only fair that you defend your assertion. 1300 years of scholarship, right? So tell me, what is the unanimously agreed upon number of verses which are abrogated? It's a simple question which 1300 years of scholarship should be able to handle well.
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Dear savage_carrot
I love my life and have absolutely no complaints. It's you who seems to have resentment about what destiny has handed you. Don't complain to me, complain to God.
Like I said before, don't hate.
And abdalquran, what part of 'put up or shut up' don't you understand?
On a final note, until you guys become the majority with authority, keep dreaming.
Peace