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adhan or azaan how to do it properly?

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    Ayisha
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    so those that do good deeds and praise a creator but know nothing about any messengers are all going to hell?

    The people of Abraham, Jesus, Moses etc who didnt know Muhammed are all going to hell?

    Only a portion of 'Muslims' born in the last 1400 years are granted paradise?

    There is a bit more to it than this part of a verse Mazhar. This is very much like the Christians saying just belief in Jesus grants you a free pass, no matter what 'deeds' you do.

    Verse 5718 names people who will have a great reward, doesnt that mean a plot in this paradise? verse 19 says the baddies are those that deny 'our verses', not those who have never heard them.

    The problem is that when we read Qur'aan we naively forget the concept of time and space, and particularly when there is a talk about the Last Messenger .
    You might but dont assume we all do.

    The word used in the quoted Ayat is plural, the Messengers. When Easa alahissalm came, it was mandatory to believe in him, those of Bani Israel who believed in him were Muslims afresh and those of the same nation who refused to accept him the Messenger alahissalam, they were declared Kaafir and you perhaps know hell is prepared for Kaafir, and remember Kafir is an active participle, who deliberately and knowingly does the act of this word.

    So when Allah says 2.62 "Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve." he means they are off to hell for not believing in Muhammed but they wont worry about it? There are other verses like this. This word being plural also means that those before Muhammed's time who followed Jesus or Moses didnt know or accept the plural messengers and it seems to be your decision that they are exempt from this because he wasnt here yet, there is nothing to back that up.

    There are Jews and Christians NOW who follow their scriptures and word righteous deeds but they dont believe in Muhammed as a prophet, so according to your one verse they are off to hell and are kafir but according to other verses they are not, which is right?

    He told orally as well in writing in the Book of Allah about the Messenger to arrive after him. Now if they do not believe in him knowingly and defiantly what makes you to think such one could go to paradise in the presence of the fact that Paradise is prepared/raised/developed/made only for those who believe in Allah and all His Messengers?
    I think nothing Mazhar, I know its not my place to decide who gets in or not, thats up to God, but it doesnt seem logical that the Most Merciful who says those who follow the Jewish scripture and the Christians etc and work righteous deeds will not grieve while he's apparently planning thier trip to hell for not believing in Muhammed. The Jews believe in a messenger after moses, they are still waiting for him as they dont believe it was Jesus or Muhammed, but they believe in the messenger written in their books, how do they stand then, one leg in hell the other in heaven?

    Believing in Allah and all the Messengers is the basic/prequalification/prerequisite to become entitled to take part in the race for Paradise, everything else/deeds comes after this. Acceptance with inclination of mind and heart is at any given point in time, and rest are subject to the availability of time/life duration to the person who accepted this belief. That is why acceptance/believing at the last moment of one's life is not accepted and considered acceptance since no time is left for him to prove and demonstrate to people that he had consciously and willfully accepted/believed.

    so its about proving to other people now?

    You still have not answered my first question. In time and space on this planet there are and have been nations and tribes that literally worship a creator based on what they see, I have said this before and it was also ignored then. They know no 'God' or 'Allah' but they know there is a Creator, a higher power, they know no messengers of God but they live with and from nature. Where do they stand? Limbo?

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      So when Allah says 2.62 "Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve." he means they are off to hell for not believing in Muhammed but they wont worry about it? There are other verses like this. This word being plural also means that those before Muhammed's time who followed Jesus or Moses didnt know or accept the plural messengers and it seems to be your decision that they are exempt from this because he wasnt here yet, there is nothing to back that up.

      There are Jews and Christians NOW who follow their scriptures and word righteous deeds but they dont believe in Muhammed as a prophet, so according to your one verse they are off to hell and are kafir but according to other verses they are not, which is right?

      The translation is not conveying what is written in the Qur'aan. Read yourself the Arabic text and let me know whether it is about the time and space of past or the present tense as you have put it here?

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        Brother mazhar
        salam

        How do you explain this ,

        5-69 Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the converts, and the Christians; any of them who (1) believe in GOD and (2) believe in the Last Day, and (3) lead a righteous life, have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve

        2-62 Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the Christians, and the converts; anyone who (1) believes in GOD, and (2) believes in the Last Day, and (3) leads a righteous life, will receive their recompense from their Lord. They have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve.

        There are no messengers mentioned here

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          And We called him by the right side of mount At-Tur and We had brought him nearer reclusively.

          In 2012, that is the quote what was said after having called him.

          The individuality/distinction of Musa alahissalm with regard to speaking directly is qualified by a word descriing the manner of talk/verb . It was in the manner of a conversation.

          who are the ones in "We" ? let me re emphsize, "when we is used in speech, it is not allah who is speeking directly, it is other entities who are communicating on HIS behalf"

          can you show some other place in quran where first person, "I" is used other than this aya 20-12 when Allah spoke to Moses directly.

          siki

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            @Leyna, (i wasn't pointing my every word specifically to you actually) )

            Oh ok. peace

            are you sure? their stories are there in AQ for us to understand islam better.

            No, I just said this is how it is for me. For some people, following the example of a prophet can be the right thing, others prefer a more direct contact with God. It's an individual thing, I guess.

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              For some people, following the example of a prophet can be the right thing, others prefer a more direct contact with God. It's an individual thing, I guess.

              not wanting to fuss about it, but i also wish to "feel it" more often, then i thought the only way to advance or, have "it" everflowing, is... well, to follow some of the braver examples, e.g., taking a move, a stance in the public etc... it's kind of frightening for myself but i think it's inevitable for anyone who wishes to advance -- part of the test, i guess

              oh this is offtopic already..

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                who are the ones in "We" ? let me re emphsize, "when we is used in speech, it is not allah who is speeking directly, it is other entities who are communicating on HIS behalf"

                It is accepted that Qur'aan is not written/authored by "entities" who according to you called Musa and Ibrahim alahimssalam. But is the Kalam of Allah. But you are suggesting other way round since the suffixed first person plural pronoun ""-meaning is the one who is addressing. We means we and not they, the various entities.

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                  It is accepted that Qur'aan is not written/authored by "entities" who according to you called Musa and Ibrahim alahimssalam. But is the Kalam of Allah. But you are suggesting other way round since the suffixed first person plural pronoun ""-meaning is the one who is addressing. We means we and not they, the various entities.

                  who is this we?

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                    who is this we?

                    First person plural pronoun is also used for singular first person. There are perhaps few threads on which this issue has been discussed.

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                      First person plural pronoun is also used for singular first person. There are perhaps few threads on which this issue has been discussed.

                      So, you also think that Allah would use Royal "WE "for himself like human kings/Monarchs instead of I ?
                      Do you have any idea when and why this royal we started? ;D I guess Allah had to learn a few things from Queen Victoria.

                      I can understand if a young learner on this forum has this perception, but hearing this from an experienced Quran translator, is utterly disappointing.

                      siki

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                        Why and what makes to draw this inference, when one does not declare this to be wrong
                        Quote from Mazhar on Yesterday at 123529 PM

                        im not sure what you mean here |

                        When you say to me that "I believe in Allah" it does not in iteself mean that you do not believei in all of His Messengers. But neither can I infer from this statement that you really believe in all the Messengers. But when I say to you that I believe in Alllah and Muhammad s.a.s, you will know that I believe in Allah and all his Messengers since mentioning the Last Messenger you will infer that I believe in all the Messengers earlier than him which includes those whose names are not known to anybody.

                        yes but this instance of mentioning Muhammad would be to stop confusion amongst 1 person to another and even in such a case, saying you believe in allah is sufficient. realistically you would mention that you are a muslim in which case mentioning the prophet beside god would be unnecessary.

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                          So, you also think that Allah would use Royal "WE "for himself like human kings/Monarchs instead of I ?
                          Do you have any idea when and why this royal we started? ;D I guess Allah had to learn a few things from Queen Victoria.

                          I can understand if a young learner on this forum has this perception, but hearing this from an experienced Quran translator, is utterly disappointing.

                          siki

                          First person plural pronoun is also used for singular first person. There are perhaps few threads on which this issue has been discussed.

                          And do you know, in Arabic first person plural noun is also used for first person dual ?

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                            And do you know, in Arabic first person plural noun is also used for first person dual ?

                            No , it is not,

                            Whenever anybody uses we instead of i , he is including other entities to be speeking on behalf.

                            siki

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                              siki

                              So, you also think that Allah would use Royal "WE "for himself like human kings/Monarchs instead of I ?
                              Do you have any idea when and why this royal we started? I guess Allah had to learn a few things from Queen Victoria.

                              so do you think, It is only Queen of Victoria who used the "we" or was she the first one to use "we".
                              From such a experienced forum member this was not expected.

                              By An Arab
                              It is a feature of literary style in Arabic that a person may refer to himself by the pronoun nahnu (we) for respect or glorification. He may also use the word ana (I), indicating one person, or the third person huwa (he). All three styles are used in the Qur?an, where Allaah addresses the Arabs in their own tongue. (Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa?imah)

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                                By an European, Neil Robinson

                                Third Person Singular To First Person Plural
                                Consider the following extract from the revelation section in Surah 69. After the rebuttals of the accusations, the polemical asides, and the affirmation concerning the status of the message, there is a dramatic disclaimer in the first person plural

                                It is not the statement of a poet - little do you believe! Nor is it the statement of a soothsayer - little do you remember! It is something sent down by the Lord of the Worlds. And if he had fabricated against Us some of the sayings, We would certainly have seized him by the right hand. Then We would certainly have cut his main artery and not one of you could have prevented it! (69.41-47).

                                I have already drawn attention to the way in which this disclaimer achieves its effect by objectifying the Messenger, but that is only part of the story. In addition, there is the shock effect of the sudden shift from third-person discourse about 'the Lord of the Worlds', which makes Him seem distant and transcendent, to the immediacy with which He speaks in the first person. The fact that He employs the first person plural emphasizes His majesty and power.

                                A similar effect may be observed in the polemical section of Surah 96 in the transition from the first part of the lampoon to the menacing peroration

                                Does he not know that Allah sees?
                                Of course not! Yet if he does not stop We shall drag him by the forelock ... (9614f.)

                                Note that here, too, the first person plural is used when violent action is envisaged.

                                The sudden shift from the third person singular to the first person plural is also common in signs passages, where it invariably occurs at the point where the sending down of life-producing water is mentioned. The following example is typical

                                And it is Allah who sends the winds so that they stir up the clouds, and We drive them to a dead land and revive therewith the earth after its death. Such will be the resurrection (359)

                                The reason why the shift occurs at this point is that God's revival of the land is seen as evidence of His power to raise the dead.

                                For European readers, one of the most disconcerting features of Qur'nic style is the frequent occurrence of unexpected (and apparently unwarranted) shifts from one pronoun to another. Non-Muslim scholars have tended either to regard these changes as solecisms or simply to ignore them. Muslim specialists in Arabic rhetoric, on the other hand, refer to this phenomenon as iltift - literally 'conversion', or 'turning one's face to' - and define it as

                                the change of speech from one mode to another, for the sake of freshness and variety for the listener, to renew his interest, and to keep his mind from boredom and frustration, through having the one mode continuously at his ear.

                                Far from dismissing it as a stylistic imperfection, they have prized it as Shajat al-Arabiyya - 'the audacity of Arabic'

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                                  Neil Robinson

                                  First Person Singular To First Person Plural

                                  A shift from the first person singular to the first person plural often occurs in order to stress the power and majesty of the speaker, as in the following passage

                                  And whoever turns away from My reminder, his shall be a straitened life, and We shall raise him on the day of resurrection, blind (20124f.).

                                  Shifts of this kind occur in four surahs which begin with oaths. The following is typical

                                  Nay I swear by the Day of Resurrection!
                                  Nay I swear by the self-accusing soul!
                                  Does Man think that We shall not gather his bones? (751-3).

                                  Because the oaths are in the first person singular, they establish direct and immediate communication, but the shift to the first person plural is necessary in order to safeguard against the reader wrongly inferring that it is Muhammad who is swearing them.

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                                    siki
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                                    Raja,

                                    salam

                                    No, it is not , that is what everybody thought. Usage of He, I , we, they, etc in quran, are very precise and deliberate, if you have an eye , you can learn/find a lot more from Quran.

                                    Forget it, this definitely is rocket science for people who are stuck up worshipping Mohammad instead of God.

                                    siki

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                                      Mazhar
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                                      No , it is not,

                                      Whenever anybody uses we instead of i , he is including other entities to be speeking on behalf.

                                      siki

                                      It shows me neither you know nor you accept that which you certainly know that "We" in English is also used for two person.

                                      "We went to market" How do you know here "WE" does not mean me and my wife? Why should you presume that in my utterence "We" denotes me and many other entities? Why are you puttling little common sense under the pillow while studying rocket sceince?

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                                        Salam to all

                                        When (naaday tum) ye proclaim your call to prayer they take it (but) as mockery and sport; that is because they are a people without understanding. 558

                                        O you who believe (Muslims)! When (noodiya) the call is proclaimed for the Salat (prayer) on the day of Friday (Jumu'ah prayer), come to the remembrance of Allah and leave off business (and every other thing) that is better for you if you did but know! 629

                                        Is the above interpretation correct? Does noodiya mean call or proclaimed? Or both

                                        Read the verses with the same words used above

                                        And the angels (fa naada hu) called to him as he stood praying in the sanctuary Allah giveth thee glad tidings of (a son whose name is) John, (who cometh) to confirm a word from Allah, lordly, chaste, a Prophet of the righteous.3 39

                                        So by deceit he brought about their fall when they tasted of the tree their shame became manifest to them and they began to sew together the leaves of the garden over their bodies. And their Lord (naada aa humaa) called unto them "Did I not forbid you that tree and tell you that Satan was an avowed enemy unto you?" 722

                                        And We (naaday tuhu) called him from the right side of Mount (Sinai) and made him draw near to Us for mystic (converse). 1952

                                        Behold thy Lord (naada) called Moses "Go to the people of iniquity 2610

                                        Nor wast thou at the side of (the Mountain of) Tur when We (naaday na) called (to Moses) Yet (art thou sent) as a Mercy from thy Lord to give warning to a people to whom no warner had come before thee in order that they may receive admonition .2846

                                        We (naaday naahum) called unto him O Abraham 37104

                                        And Pharaoh (naadaa) called among his people saying "O my people! does not the dominion of Egypt belong to me (witness) these streams flowing underneath my (palace)? What! See ye not then? 4351

                                        When his Lord (naadaa hu) called him in the sacred valley of Tuwa, 7916

                                        But (fa naada) they called to their companion and he took a sword in hand and hamstrung (her). 5429

                                        And when he came to it (the fire), he was (noodiya) called by name "O Musa (Moses)! 2011

                                        But when he reached it, he was (noodiya) called, saying Blessed is whosoever is in the fire and whosoever is round about it! And glorified be Allah, the Lord of the Worlds! 278

                                        And when he reached it, he was (noodiya) called from the right side of the valley in the blessed field, from the tree O Moses! Lo! I, even I, am Allah, the Lord of the Worlds; 2830

                                        In all the above verses the word NAADAY and NOODIYA is interpreted as CALLED but nowhere it is interpreted as CALL IS PROCLAIMED except the two verses. It simply means to call/ called for the prayers. If Allah wished to say about adhan then HE would very much used the word Adhdhan or Muadhdhin as used in the following verses

                                        WA- NAADAA AS.H.AAB AL- JANNAH AS.H.AAB AN- NAAR 'AN QAD WAJADNAA MAA WAADA -NAA RABB -NAA H.AQQ(AN) FA- HAL WAJADTUM MAA WAADA RABB -KUM H.AQQ(AN) QAALO NAAM FA- 'ADHDHANA MU'ADHDHIN BAYNA -HUM 'AN LANAH 'ALLAAH ALAA AZ.- Z.AALIMEN 744

                                        The companions of the garden will CALL out to the companions of the fire "We have indeed found the promises of our Lord to us true have you also found your Lord's promises true?" They shall say "yes"; but a PROCLAIMER shall PROCLAIM between them "the curse of Allah is on the wrong- doers; 744

                                        BOTH WORDS "NAADA and ADHDHANA along with MUADHDHIN" is used here exclusively for the PROPONENTS OF HADITH.
                                        FA- LAMMAA JAHHAZA -HUM BI- JAHAAZ -HIM JAALA AS- SIQAAYAH FE RAH.L 'AKHE -HI THUMMA '

                                        ADHDHANA MU'ADHDHIN 'AYYATUHAA AL- ER 'INNA -KA LA- SAARIQON 1270

                                        So when he had furnished them forth with their provisions, he put the (golden) bowl into his brother's bag, then a crier cried "O you (in) the caravan! Surely, you are thieves!" 1270

                                        WA ADHINA fin na_si bil haj ji ya'tu_ka rija_law wa 'ala_ kul li da_miriy ya'tina min kul li faj jin amiq 2227

                                        "And proclaim the Pilgrimage among men they will come to thee on foot and (mounted) on every kind of camel lean on account of journeys through deep and distant mountain highways;

                                        ADHA_num minalla_hi wa rasu_lihi ilan na_si yaumal hajjil akbari annalla_ha bari'um minal musyrikin(a), wa rasu_luh(u_), fa in tubtum fa huwa khairul lakum, wa in tawallaitum fa'lamu_ annakum gairu mu'jizilla_h(i), wa basysyiril lazina kafaru_ bi 'aza_bin alim(in). 93

                                        And a PROCLAMATION from Allah and His apostle to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage that Allah and His apostle dissolve (treaty) obligations with the pagans. If then ye repent it were best for you; but if ye turn away know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject faith. 93

                                        The word ADHDHIN and MUADHDHIN is specifically used here by Allah just to negate the claims made by the PROPONENTS OF HADITH that there is adhan mentioned in quran. The adhan is an innovation by the hadithers and that will be proved by hadith itself later

                                        SAHIH BUKHARI

                                        1577 Narrator Anas
                                        The people mentioned the fire and the bell (they suggested those as signals to indicate the starting of prayers), and by that they mentioned the Jews and the Christians. Then Bilal was ordered to pronounce Adhan for the prayer by saying its wordings twice, and for the Iqama (the call for the actual standing for the prayers in rows) by saying its wordings once. (Iqama is pronounced when the people are ready for the prayer).

                                        1578 Ibn 'Umar
                                        When the Muslims arrived at Medina, they used to assemble for the prayer, and used to guess the time for it. During those days, the practice of Adhan for the prayers had not been introduced yet. Once they discussed this problem regarding the call for prayer. Some people suggested the use of a bell like the Christians, others proposed a trumpet like the horn used by the Jews, but 'Umar was the first to suggest that a man should call (the people) for the prayer; so Allah's Apostle ordered Bilal to get up and pronounce the Adhan for prayers.

                                        1580 Anas bin Malik
                                        When the number of Muslims increased they discussed the question as to how to know the time for the prayer by some familiar means. Some suggested that a fire be lit (at the time of the prayer) and others put forward the proposal to ring the bell. Bilal was ordered to pronounce the wording of Adhan twice and of the Iqama once only.

                                        4663 Anas
                                        The people mentioned the fire and the bell (as means proposed for announcing the time of prayer) and by such a suggestion they referred to the Jews and the Christians. But Bilal was ordered, "Pronounce the words of the Adhan (i.e. call for the prayer) twice and the Iqama once only."

                                        Why prophet could not suggest Adhan leaving it to other companions. An important religious doctrine forgotten by Allah? Who taught Bilal? Can prophet say, I am witness that I am the messenger of Allah Is prophet a witness that he is a messenger. Can someone become witness for himself?

                                        In the above hadith no name was mentioned of the companion who suggested the Adhan, but here Umar is the man who suggested the adhan. But still one act remained unsolved, who taught the Adhan to Bilal. Who gave the words of Adhan? Allah or prophet or companions or the HADITHERS?

                                        The words of Adhan I testify that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah

                                        Say "No reward do I ask of you it is (all) in your interest my reward is only due from Allah and He is Witness to all things." 34 47

                                        These are words of prophet, that Allah is witness over all things. How can he be witnessing to him self?

                                        SHAHIDA 'ALLAAH 'ANNA -HU LAA 'ILAAH 'ILLAA HUWA WA- AL- MALAA'IKAH WA- 'OLO AL- ILM QAAIM (AN) BI- AL- QIST. LAA 'ILAAH 'ILLAA HUWA AL- AZEZ AL- H.AKEM 318

                                        There is no god but He that is the witness of Allah His angels and those endued with knowledge standing firm on justice. There is no god but He the Exalted in Power the Wise. 318

                                        The true witness of Allah, His angels and those endued with knowledge standing firm on justice is LA ILAAHA ILLAH. AND NOT TOM DICK AND HARRY

                                        Whatever of good reaches you, is from Allah, but whatever of evil befalls you, is from yourself. And We have sent you (O Muhammad SAW) as a Messenger to mankind, and Allah is Sufficient as a Witness. 479

                                        He it is Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad SAW) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam), that He may make it (Islam) superior over all religions. And All Sufficient is Allah as a Witness. 4828

                                        Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those who are with him are severe against disbelievers, and merciful among themselves. You see them bowing and falling down prostrate (in prayer), seeking Bounty from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure. The mark of them (i.e. of their Faith) is on their faces (foreheads) from the traces of (their) prostration (during prayers). This is their description in the Taurat (Torah). But their description in the Injeel (Gospel) is like a (sown) seed which sends forth its shoot, then makes it strong, it then becomes thick, and it stands straight on its stem, delighting the sowers that He may enrage the disbelievers with them. Allah has promised those among them who believe (i.e. all those who follow Islamic Monotheism, the religion of Prophet Muhammad SAW till the Day of Resurrection) and do righteous good deeds, forgiveness and a mighty reward (i.e. Paradise). 4829

                                        Allah is enough as a witness that Muhammad is His messenger and HE very well knows it, therefore there is no need of all Muslims to be witness for that.

                                        Those who say that, we are witness, that prophet is the messenger of Allah. WHO ARE THEY?

                                        READ THIS

                                        When the hypocrites come to you (O Muhammad SAW), they say "We bear witness that you are indeed the Messenger of Allah." Allah knows that you are indeed His Messenger and Allah bears witness that the hypocrites are liars indeed. 631

                                        Those who bear witness Prophet is the messenger of Allah are hypocrites and liars

                                        MUWATTA OF IMAM MALIK
                                        Reference 3. 1 Heading The Call to Prayer
                                        Yahya related to me from Malik that Yahya ibn Said said, "The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, had wanted to take two pieces of wood to strike them together to gather people for the prayer, and Abdullah ibn Zayd al-Ansari, then of the tribe of Harith ibn al-Khazraj, was shown two pieces of wood in his sleep. He said, 'These are close to what the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, wants.' Then it was said, 'Do you not call to the prayer?', so when he woke up he went to the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, and mentioned the dream to him. The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, ordered the adhan."

                                        The prophet was short of ideas therefore he thought of striking two pieces of wood to gather people for prayer just like an entertainer calls his audiences. Then the companion was shown the two wood pieces in dream, which was the same which prophet wanted. Allah told Do you not call the prayer to him in the dream. The dream was mentioned to prophet and then he ordered him to proclaim the calls for prayers COULD YOU BELIEVE?

                                        SAHIH MUSLIM Narrator Abu Mahdhurah
                                        The Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) taught him Adhan like this Allah is the Greatest, Allah is the Greatest; I testify that there is no god but Allah, I testify that there is no god but Allah; I testify that (I am) Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, I testify that (I am) Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and it should be again repeated I testify that there is no god but Allah, I testify that there is no god but Allah; I testify that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, I testify that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah. Come to the prayer (twice). Come to the Prayer (twice). Ishaq added Allah is the greatest, Allah is the Greatest; there is no god but Allah.

                                        PROPHET I TESTIFY THAT I AM THE MESSENGER OF ALLAH. DOESNT SOUND FUNNY

                                        SUNAN ABU DAWUD Narrator Mu'adh ibn Jabal
                                        The narrator, Nasr, mentioned the name of the person who had the dream, saying And Abdullah ibn Zayd, a man from the Ansar, came. The same version reads And he turned his face towards the qiblah and said Allah is most great, Allah is most great; I testify that there is no god but Allah, I testify that there is no god but Allah; I testify that Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah, I testify that Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah; come to prayer (he pronounced it twice), come to salvation (he pronounced it twice); Allah is Most Great, Allah is most great. He then paused for a while, and then got up and pronounced in a similar way, except that after the phrase "Come to salvation" he added. "The time for prayer has come, the time for prayer has come." The Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) said Teach it to Bilal, and then pronounce the adhan (call to prayer) with the same words.

                                        Allah taught Adhan in a dream to a companion and then it was taught to Bilal? Where is Gabriel and why it was not inspired to the prophet?

                                        SUNAN ABU DAWUD Narrator Ziyad ibn al-Harith as-Suda'i
                                        When the adhan for the dawn prayer was initially introduced, the Prophet (peace be upon him) commanded me to call the adhan and I did so. Then I began to ask Should I utter iqamah, Apostle of Allah? But he began to look at the direction of the east, (waiting) for the break of dawn, and said No. When the dawn broke, he came down and performed ablution and he then turned to me. In the meantime his Companions joined him. Then Bilal wanted to utter the iqamah, but the Prophet (peace be upon him) said to him The man of Suda' has called the adhan, and he who calls the adhan utters the iqamah. (Muslims follow this rule strictly)

                                        Quran did not sanction adhan but the hadithers sanctioned iqamat also

                                        MUWATTA OF IMAM MALIK
                                        Reference 3. 11
                                        Heading The Adhan During a Journey and Without Wudu
                                        Yahya related to me from Malik from Nafi that Abdullah ibn Umar called the adhan on a cold and windy night and included the phrase, "Do the prayer in shelter." Then he said, "The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, used to order the muadhdhin to say, 'Do the prayer in shelter' when it was a cold, rainy night "

                                        SAHIH BUKHARI Volume 1605 Nafi
                                        Once in a cold night, Ibn 'Umar pronounced the Adhan for the prayer at, Dajnan (the name of a mountain) and then said, "Pray at your homes", and informed us that Allah's Apostle used to tell the Mu'adhdhin to pronounce Adhan and say, "Pray at your homes" at the end of the Adhan on a rainy or a very cold night during the journey."

                                        Another addition in adhan you can pray at home on rainy muddy day

                                        MUWATTA OF IMAM MALIK
                                        Reference 3. 8 Heading The Call to Prayer
                                        Yahya related to me from Malik that he had heard that the muadhdhin came to Umar ibn al-Khattab to call him to the subh prayer and found him sleeping, so he said, "Prayer is better than sleep," and Umar ordered him to put that in the adhan for subh.

                                        Further addition to adhan for morning prayers
                                        PROOF ALLAHS WORDS DO NOT CHANGE. NO ADDITION NO DELETION

                                        SAHIH BUKHARI 1579 Anas
                                        Bilal was ordered to repeat the wording of the Adhan for prayers twice, and to pronounce the wording of the Iqama once except "Qad-qamat-is-Salat".

                                        Who taught Bilal?

                                        SAHIH BUKHARI Volume 1582 Abu Huraira
                                        Allah's Apostle said, "When the Adhan is pronounced Satan takes to his heels and passes wind with noise during his flight in order not to hear the Adhan. When the Adhan is completed he comes back and again takes to his heels when the Iqama is pronounced and after its completion he returns again till he whispers into the heart of the person (to divert his attention from his prayer) and makes him remember things which he does not recall to his mind before the prayer and that causes him to forget how much he has prayed."

                                        Who saw Satan fleeing and heard him passing wind and other nonsense

                                        SAHIH BUKHARI Volume 1588 Jabir bin 'Abdullah
                                        Allah's Apostle said, "Whoever after listening to the Adhan says, 'Allahumma Rabba hadhihi-d-da' watit-tammati was-salatil qa'imati, ati Muhammadan al-wasilata wal-fadilata, wab' athhu maqaman mahmudan-il-ladhi wa' adtahu (O Allah! Lord of this perfect call (of not ascribing partners to You) and of the regular prayer, which is going to be established! Kindly give Muhammad the right of intercession and superiority and send him (on the Day of Judgment) to the best and the highest place in Paradise which You promised him)', then intercession for me will be permitted for him on the Day of Resurrection)."

                                        The adhan is itself an innovation and further additional innovation is to invoke Allah after adhan for getting the intercession of the prophet. He is the same prophet who in the quran says Say "To Allah belongs all intercession. His is the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth, then to Him you shall be brought back." 3944

                                        SAHIH BUKHARI Volume 1595'Abdullah bin Mas'ud
                                        The Prophet said, "The Adhan pronounced by Bilal should not stop you from taking Suhur, for he pronounces the Adhan at night, so that the one offering the late night prayer (Tahajjud) from among you might hurry up and the sleeping from among you might wake up. It does not mean that dawn or morning has started." Then he (the Prophet) pointed with his fingers and raised them up (towards the sky) and then lowered them (towards the earth) like this (Ibn Mas'ud imitated the gesture of the Prophet). Az-Zuhri gestured with his two index fingers, which he put on each other and then stretched them to the right and left. These gestures illustrate the way real dawn appears. It spreads left and right horizontally. The dawn that appears in the high sky and lowers down is not the real dawn).

                                        The adhan itself unauthorised now authorised for unauthorised Tahjjud prayers also

                                        MISHKAT AL MASABIH Abdullah ibn Umar
                                        Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said He who pronounces the Adhan for twelve years is assured of Paradise and sixty merits are recorded for him every day for (every) Adhan and thirty merits for every Iqamah.

                                        Better everybody starts becoming muaddhdhin, because paradise is assured for such people even if they are criminals or terrorists or murderers.

                                        SUNAN ABU DAWUD Abdullah ibn Umar
                                        The words of adhan were pronounced from the time of the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) twice in pairs (i.e. four times) each, and the words of iqamah were pronounced once in pairs (twice each), except that the phrase "The time for prayer has come" would be pronounced twice. When we heard iqamah, we would perform ablution, and go out for prayer. Shu'bah said I did not hear AbuJa'far narrating any other tradition except this one.

                                        Which type of adhan and who follows, nobody knows. The pronouncement of wordings are reduced to two now. Who reduced it? The time for prayer has come, an unheard in adhan

                                        THE MOST FUNNIEST PART OF THIS SHAHADAH IS THAT ALL MUSLIMS IN THEIR PRAYERS WITNESS THAT THERE IS NO ALLAH EXCEPT ALLAH AND MUHAMMAD IS THE MESSENGER OF ALLAH (ALLAH IS THE THIRD PERSON, THEN WHO IS THE SECOND PERSON TO WHOM THE MUSLIMS ARE ADDRESSING)

                                        IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THIS WAY " Muhammad is YOUR messenger"

                                        Allah Alone knows the truth.

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                                          Salaam siki,

                                          Forget it, this definitely is rocket science for people who are stuck up worshipping Mohammad instead of God.

                                          siki

                                          You are wrong my brother, You definitely know that I or any one else donot worship any, besides Allah.

                                          No, it is not , that is what everybody thought. Usage of He, I , we, they, etc in quran, are very precise and deliberate, if you have an eye , you can learn/find a lot more from Quran.

                                          Then place a rebuttal, or at least show how?

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