9/11 Burning Of Quran Must Go On!
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The provacation started 9 yrs ago with the Inside Job of 9/11 which they blamed on Islam and muslims, and in the aftermath where muslims or anyone who liked and had a "muslim" sounding name were being attacked/killed and having mosques vandilised or being kidknapped and held at gitmo for years without trail whislt being tortured along with other false flag terrorist incidents like the bali bombing, Madrid and 7/7.
The provocation was already there when they illegally attacked Iraq and Afghanistan as a result of 9/11 killing millions of innocents and destroying the lives of many more.
The provocation was there with the release of the toture pictures from Abu gharib and all the other ones that have gone unreported.
The provacation was already there thanks to the west publishing cartoons of the prophet muhammed with a bomb on his head all in the name of "freedom of speech" but the same magazine that published that refused to publish a cartoon of Jesus with an erection because they said "they did not want to offend christians".
The provocation was already there since the zionazi's of america have been funding and arming the terrorist state of Israel in order to persecute, rob and murder palestinians in their own land.Don't you think does things have already provoked people who don't care to commit suicide and also if they are going to take innocent life in the proccess their they were never muslims to begin with.
Apart from that the only reason the demented pastor is now not going ahead with the Quran burning idiotic stunt is becuase he wants the proposed Islamic centre near ground zero to be moved but what if they refuse to move it and why should they when many muslims themselves where killed on 9/11 .
If if the organisers of the ground zero mosque refuse to move elsewhere Jones could still go ahead with the stunt anyway.Peace,
Respect.Brother, God knows best, I believe you and I totally understand what you're saying.
I see where you're coming from and I agree with you, honestly, God knows best.However, let me quote Qur'an.
7310 And be patient over what they say, and depart from them in a good manner.
4134 Not equal are the good and the bad response. You shall resort to the one which is better. Thus, the one who used to be your enemy, may become your best friend.
2946 And do not argue with the people of the Book except in that which is better; except for those who are wicked among them; and say We believe in what was revealed to us and in what was revealed to you, and our god and your god is the same; to Him we submit.
1753 And say to My servants to speak that which is best. The devil makes bitterness between them. The devil is to man a clear enemy.
16125 Invite to the path of your Lord with wisdom and good advice, and argue with them in that which is better. Your Lord is fully aware of who is misguided from His path, and He is fully aware of the guided ones.I know.
I know that 9/11 was an inside job and I know that US troops hvae caused things that Americans are not proud of.
God knows best.
I also know that we could easily return fire in the same exact way. I could also take certain parts from the Old Testament as well as from the New Testament and present them like Theo van Gogh presented Qur'an and Islam and muslims in Submission.Will I?
Should I?
Would it be wise that I go ahead with my stunt?
Why do you think that I keep postponing my movies about Islam?
I'm afraid of the reaction that my message might have out there and believe it or not, I don't wanna provoke anyone nor make anyone angry or God forbid someone issue a fatwa against me. I don't wanna live in hiding. Therefore, I'm not afraid of challenge. Therefore, I will learn Arabic, God willing, inshaAllah and then I will "fight" sunnis and shias regarding sunnah and hadeeth and considering the fact that I'm reading The Bible these past few months, I'll be ready, God willing.I could easily quote this in a quick, youtube video in a Theo van Gogh style
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 1712 NLT)
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 2013 NAB)
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night
But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 2220-21 NAB)
Infidels and Gays Should Die
So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 124-32 NLT)
Should I be imitating a bad example?
486 And if you are greeted with a greeting, then return an even better greeting or return the same. God is Reckoning over all things.
494 O you who believe, if you go forth in the cause of God, you shall investigate carefully. And do not say to those who greet you with peace You are not a believer! You are seeking the vanity of this world; but with God are many riches. That is how you were before, but God graced you, so investigate carefully. God is expert over what you do.
Do you see my point?
It's easy and from my point of view wrong to simply imitate pastor Jones.
I'd say it would be wiser and better - God knows best - to show a better example.
I know it's hard and I'm not perfect and I also have failed in some tests but may God forgive me.
I hope and I pray that God will forgive me my shortcomings and forgive me my sins. May God increase me in knowledge.
I hope that christians will understand that what I quoted here from The Bible, is not from The Bible. I'll explain under proper thread, God willing.God bless you,
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Alen, with all due respect I don't agree with your position that sunni's and shia's are non-muslims. just as there are differect sects - catholic, russian orthodox, baptist, etc christians and hasidic, ultraorthodox, liberal jews, well you have the sunnis, shia's, etc who differ on interpretations of the koran following their own scholars. so, muslims are no different than christians and jews in this regard.
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Just amuslim
Alen, with all due respect I don't agree with your position that sunni's and shia's are non-muslims.
Correct. "Pot calls kettle black" similar sort of idiom, i can't remember it.
Alen is just the other side of coin, an Extremist calling Shia and Suni's Extremists. -
Just amuslim
Correct. "Pot calls kettle black" similar sort of idiom, i can't remember it.
Alen is just the other side of coin, an Extremist calling Shia and Suni's Extremists.rotfl what sort of extremist is Alen in your opinion Raj? an extremist peacemaker and God lover? rotfl
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Smileys at the start and at the end of your quote does not make it funny at all.
I wasn't trying to make it funny, I was showing how funny I thought it was to call Alen an extremistSome one who calls other Muslims a Kaffir is an extremist period.
that would include you and mazhar then peace
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Smileys at the start and at the end of your quote does not make it funny at all.
Some one who calls other Muslims a Kaffir is an extremist period.
Then you should also agree that Sunni and Shia (so-called) muslims who call Quran only muslims kaffirs for rejecting all hadith outside the Quran as commanded by GOD repeatedly in the Quran, are themselves extremists.
Peace,
Respect.Brother, God knows best, I believe you and I totally understand what you're saying.
I see where you're coming from and I agree with you, honestly, God knows best.However, let me quote Qur'an.
7310 And be patient over what they say, and depart from them in a good manner.
4134 Not equal are the good and the bad response. You shall resort to the one which is better. Thus, the one who used to be your enemy, may become your best friend.
2946 And do not argue with the people of the Book except in that which is better; except for those who are wicked among them; and say We believe in what was revealed to us and in what was revealed to you, and our god and your god is the same; to Him we submit.
1753 And say to My servants to speak that which is best. The devil makes bitterness between them. The devil is to man a clear enemy.
16125 Invite to the path of your Lord with wisdom and good advice, and argue with them in that which is better. Your Lord is fully aware of who is misguided from His path, and He is fully aware of the guided ones.I know.
I know that 9/11 was an inside job and I know that US troops hvae caused things that Americans are not proud of.
God knows best.
I also know that we could easily return fire in the same exact way. I could also take certain parts from the Old Testament as well as from the New Testament and present them like Theo van Gogh presented Qur'an and Islam and muslims in Submission.Will I?
Should I?
Would it be wise that I go ahead with my stunt?
Why do you think that I keep postponing my movies about Islam?
I'm afraid of the reaction that my message might have out there and believe it or not, I don't wanna provoke anyone nor make anyone angry or God forbid someone issue a fatwa against me. I don't wanna live in hiding. Therefore, I'm not afraid of challenge. Therefore, I will learn Arabic, God willing, inshaAllah and then I will "fight" sunnis and shias regarding sunnah and hadeeth and considering the fact that I'm reading The Bible these past few months, I'll be ready, God willing.I could easily quote this in a quick, youtube video in a Theo van Gogh style
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 1712 NLT)
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 2013 NAB)
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night
But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 2220-21 NAB)
Infidels and Gays Should Die
So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 124-32 NLT)
Should I be imitating a bad example?
486 And if you are greeted with a greeting, then return an even better greeting or return the same. God is Reckoning over all things.
494 O you who believe, if you go forth in the cause of God, you shall investigate carefully. And do not say to those who greet you with peace You are not a believer! You are seeking the vanity of this world; but with God are many riches. That is how you were before, but God graced you, so investigate carefully. God is expert over what you do.
Do you see my point?
It's easy and from my point of view wrong to simply imitate pastor Jones.
I'd say it would be wiser and better - God knows best - to show a better example.
I know it's hard and I'm not perfect and I also have failed in some tests but may God forgive me.
I hope and I pray that God will forgive me my shortcomings and forgive me my sins. May God increase me in knowledge.
I hope that christians will understand that what I quoted here from The Bible, is not from The Bible. I'll explain under proper thread, God willing.God bless you,
Peace.You would only be imitating the idiot pastor jones by burning copies of the bible which I had already mentioned on a previous post would be stupid and pointless becuase how could we show people all the "bad bits" of the Bible like the verses you quoted.
I completley understand what you say about not wanting to provoke a reaction from people but there comes a time where we have to confront lies with the truth which the Quran also tells to do, regardless of what the reaction will be.
Muhammed and all the prophets of the Quran faced anger, hostility, persecution and even death all becuase they peace preached the TRUTH, and they were just as afraid of being killed, death threats and having to go into hiding, but that did not stop them preaching the truth, why because above all else they feared GOD more and the Quran also tells us to fear GOD and not man.
It also came to a point where the meccan muslims had no choice but to defend themselves physically becuase the people who were persecuting them would not allow them to live and practice their faith in peace and whilst we NEVER have the right to be agressors, we have the GOD given right to defend ourselves preferably verbally but if need be physically too.
Well, Well , Well, it seems that news of the pastor calling off his Quran burning stunt did not reach this Islamaphobic idiot in the link below  
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRcUdruhgyw&skipcontrinter=1
Do you see my point?
Becuase of all the publicity that this stupid stunt by the idiot pastor jones has given him and the fact that he now says that him and his demented congregation will not go through with, it has given other stupid people the idea to go through with it anyway becuase they feel that "poor hard done by white man" Mr Jones had been put under unfair pressure by the "leftist" media, supposedley denying the white christians freedom of speech whilst supposedly giving the "A-rabs and musss-lims" freedom of speech.Thanks to the media that jones had gotten this stupid stunt was always going to happen whether or not Jones himself went through with it or not.
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Then you should also agree that Sunni and Shia (so-called) muslims who call Quran only muslims kaffirs for rejecting all hadith outside the Quran as commanded by GOD repeatedly in the Quran, are themselves extremists.
There is nothing to agree or disagree here.
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Alen, with all due respect I don't agree with your position that sunni's and shia's are non-muslims. just as there are differect sects - catholic, russian orthodox, baptist, etc christians and hasidic, ultraorthodox, liberal jews, well you have the sunnis, shia's, etc who differ on interpretations of the koran following their own scholars. so, muslims are no different than christians and jews in this regard.
There are basic tenets that define us as Muslim or Christian. I wish people would stick to appropriate well established labels. Anything less always smells deceptive to me.
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speakingof muslims..the BASIC tenanta are belief in One God and good deeds. i dont think shias and sunnis are non muslims..im no one to comment on that coz only God knows wats in the hearts of all people, but i do believe that shias who bow down to graves of members of the prophets family and think tht they hv super human powers given to them by God to solve their issues fr them is shirk and leads to (if not IS) non belief...i also think that sunnis who sing praises and pray to dead people to do stuff fr them is also shirk.
with christianity, im still studying the bible so it wud be premature to come up with answer as to wat the basic tenants of it wud be
peace
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Peace,
Respect.Only God knows what will happen if and when someone burns The Qur'an.
Last tiem this fella Rashad wanted to delete couple of verses and ended up pretty badly, yes?
I'd say it's not wise to play with The Book of God. Glory be to God.I'll stick to the topic, inshaAllah but I'll speak about differences regarding muslims, sunnis and shias and jewish, christians, buddists, hindus, atheists and agnostics on the other topic, relevant to it, okay? I've just returned from Speaker's Corner, Hyde Park and exchanged some words with sunnis regarding sunnah and hadeeth, one sunnis said I should be killed but never mind, then I observed a conversation between teenagers sunnis and shias, guys and girls regarding Ali and how or what he is or isn't and finally one sunni actually challeneged me for the meeting next sunday to provide evidence from The Qur'an where and how do we pray, since I told him that sunnah and hadeeth are not from messenger/prophet Muhammad but from Bukhary, Muslims, Dawood, Abu Baqr and so on.
Regarding the 9/11 issue.
Most people know that it was different then 7/7 bombings of thsoe buses in London. Unlike 7/7, 9/11 was an inside job and we all know that, that is a fact. Even Americans know and amdit that Bush lied and he lied a lot. He looked the world in the eyes and told them so many lies. May God gudie us all The Straight Path and increase us in knowledge. InshAllah.Regrading the burning of The Qur'an.
They have done worse things to The Book in Guantanamo Jail, yes? Would you agree to this? We have already witnessed what has been done to Qur'an. I witness every sunday, almost, what non-muslims say about Qur'an, Islam and muslims. If I had a cmarea, I'd bring evidence but maybe later, God willing.
nevertheless, someone will burn The Qur'an and then some sunni will react. God forbid should another expalosion happen but we all know that there is something called cause and effect.Theo van Gogh insulted Islam, Qur'an and muslims with his 10-minute movie Submission and eneded up cold on the streets with sopme lead and couple of knives in his chest.
Salman Rushide got honored and a special title for mocking Allah's words on TV. His address is 1 Fear Avenue, London, UK.
Jyllands-Posten showed how they view prophet/messenger Mohammad and that also did not end well.
Rashad Khalifa deleted two verses and came up with his appendix and ended up dead - unlike these other - in his own mosque.
Geert Wilders is next.
There seems to be emerging a pattern, yes?Whoever plays with God's words, mocks them, presents them wrongly or wants to fool God, ends up dead or dying of fear or worse, living in fear.
Therefore, whatever happens, if and when they burn The Qur'an, God forbid, they will get a reaction. Not from me but someone who is already angry 99.99 percent and needs that little drop to explode. Literally.Keep in mind,t hat plenty of sunnis burn American flags, forgetting that there are American muslims, that there are Americns who are in the process of accepting Islam, Americans who do not accept Islam but respect muslims and our Faith, Americans who are against invading Middle East. They should never be so hypocritical. Instead of buying a flag and a ligter, they should rather buy food and clothes and medicine, since they lack that and not anger.
Therefore, we should all do what benefits Islam right now let each one of us make contact with one non-muslim and see what we dis/agree on. For example on another forum (Islam forum topix) I asked what are the first things that come to your mind regarding Islam? Most people who answered, asked about beating women, is it true? They were referring to 434.
They shouldn't burn The Qur'an and we shouldn't burn The Bible.
On the contrary we should sit down, both of us, muslims and christians and discuss the only thing that separates us - trinity and crucifixion. This is the only thing that we disagree on with non-muslims, all other things are the same, God knows best.
Sorry for writing so long but I just came from long discussion and sunnis that I met and spoken to, have challeneged me to find for them where does Allah SWT say in The Qur'an how to pray. Gotta stay patient.
God bless you, sisters,brothers,
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Ayisha
and they call those who follow Quran only non muslims, so everybody'appears to be extremist then
Not All Shias and Sunnis call so called Quranists as Non Muslims, so you cannot call all of them Extremists, but Alen is an individual who calls other Muslims, NON MUSLIMS therefore he is an Extremist for sure. I think it is difficult for a lady like you to understand, who thinks each and every thing written by Rajah is to be countered, no matter how silly you appear.
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Salam
Theo van Gogh insulted Islam, Qur'an and muslims with his 10-minute movie Submission and eneded up cold on the streets with sopme lead and couple of knives in his chest.
Salman Rushide got honored and a special title for mocking Allah's words on TV. His address is 1 Fear Avenue, London, UK.
Jyllands-Posten showed how they view prophet/messenger Mohammad and that also did not end well.
Rashad Khalifa deleted two verses and came up with his appendix and ended up dead - unlike these other - in his own mosque.
Geert Wilders is next.There seems to be emerging a pattern, yes?
Indeed. The pattern is that crazy extremists who call themselves Muslims freak out and kill people whenever they feel their religion is being insulted.
Sad and frightening. http//www.imagebanana.com/img/q6owvuis/033102bad_1_prv.gif
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George
Alen is an extremist because he calls Sunni and Shias NON MUSLIMS, do you understand that brother.No I dont understand how Alen is an extremist by calling Sunni and Shias non muslims when it is they who (by the very fact that they call themselves Sunni and Shia) have disobeyed what GOD says in the Quran by dividing themselves into sects and it is they who have disobeyed GOD in the Quran by following hadiths outside the Quran and not Alen ???
7/7 was also an inside job
peace
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