Shahr -- Does It Have Anything To Do With "MOON"?
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Bob
Plz allow Bezaar avazaar Mazhaar respond without interruption from urself.
Now since he has, let me add
Your presenting different similarities between different religions is just confirming Quranic Ayats, and is nothing new or exciting.
And for every Ummah (a community or a nation), there is a Messenger; when their Messenger comes, the matter will be judged between them with justice, and they will not be wronged. (Qur'an 1047)
And verily, We have sent among every Ummah (community, nation) a Messenger (proclaiming) "Worship Allah (Alone), and avoid (or keep away from) Taghut (all false deities, etc. i.e., do not worship Taghut besides Allah)." Thenof them were some whom Allah guided and of them were some upon whom the straying was justified. So travel through the land and see what was the end of those who denied (the truth). (Qur'an 1636)
Hindu as they are called were also sent a messenger from the above ayat we can assume. They corrupted some rituals but that does not mean that there was no "fasting" or "Hajj" at all.
Try to read Quran instead of reading "Ghair Haqeeqate Saum and Hajj"No one prostrates to Kaaba, At the time of the Prophet, people even stood on the Kaaba and gave the
?adhaan? or the call to prayer.http//www.sacred-destinations.com/saudi-arabia/images/mecca/resized/mecca-black-stone-cc-toursaudiarabia.jpg
According to Sahih Bukhari, Volume 2, book of Hajj, chapter 56, H.No. 675.
Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) said, ?I know that you are a stone and
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so its ok to be a buddhist or a hindu or a sikh or a christian or a jew as they all got prophets and rituals too?
If we bow and prostrate to an object, then there is no difference between a pagan/hindu or a muslim. Purpose of the Quran is to bring us out of darkness to the light (141). Empty rituals are "the darkness" they wont let the humanity "think" . (just have a look at Mazhaar and Raajah). There is no rituals in the Quran, its guidiance. If we stick to these empty rituals our socalled "scholars" stole from pagan/hindu jews, then its ok to be Buddhist or sikh or christian,yes.
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No one prostrates to Kaaba, At the time of the Prophet, people even stood on the Kaaba and gave the
?adhaan? or the call to prayer.According to Sahih Bukhari, Volume 2, book of Hajj, chapter 56, H.No. 675.
Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) said, ?I know that you are a stone and
can neither benefit nor harm...Proove that they stood on the Kaaba and gave the adhaan as you have suggested. Also point out where the Quran mentions details of the "adhan".
If Hajj was a ritual practiced by previous nations, proove this from the Quran. Which aya detail the provisions and criteria for the Hajj rituals such as wearing ehraam, throwing peddles at this stone and kissing Allats vagina ?
No1 prostrates to Kaabah? so exactly what are these loosers doing, have they dropped loose change?
http//img243.imageshack.us/img243/2140/3kaabapedestalqq3.jpg
http//www.gohajjumrah.com/gallery/large/Kaaba3-1.gif
Sorry i dont follow Zorostrian jewish Bokhari, you dont have to refer to his work..
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If we bow and prostrate to an object, then there is no difference between a pagan/hindu or a muslim. Purpose of the Quran is to bring us out of darkness to the light (141). Empty rituals are "the darkness" they wont let the humanity "think" . (just have a look at Mazhaar and Raajah). There is no rituals in the Quran, its guidiance. If we stick to these empty rituals our socalled "scholars" stole from pagan/hindu jews, then its ok to be Buddhist or sikh or christian,yes.
well said.
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Proove that they stood on the Kaaba and gave the adhaan as you have suggested. Also point out where the Quran mentions details of the "adhan".
If Hajj was a ritual practiced by previous nations, proove this from the Quran. Which aya detail the provisions and criteria for the Hajj rituals such as wearing ehraam, throwing peddles at this stone and kissing Allats vagina ?
No1 prostrates to Kaabah? so exactly what are these loosers doing, have they dropped loose change?
http//img243.imageshack.us/img243/2140/3kaabapedestalqq3.jpg
http//www.gohajjumrah.com/gallery/large/Kaaba3-1.gif
Sorry i dont follow Zorostrian jewish Bokhari, you dont have to refer to his work..
Lunatic don't listen to gem of Raaaja
No one prostrates to Kaaba
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YUSUFALI Remember We made the House a place of assembly for men and a place of safety; and take ye the station of Abraham as a place of prayer; and We covenanted with Abraham and Isma'il, that they should sanctify My House for those who compass it round, or use it as a retreat, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in prayer).
PICKTHAL And when We made the House (at Makka) a resort for mankind and sanctuary, (saying) Take as your place of worship the place where Abraham stood (to pray). And We imposed a duty upon Abraham and Ishmael, (saying) Purify My house for those who go around and those who meditate therein and those who bow down and prostrate themselves (in worship). SHAKIR And when We made the House a pilgrimage for men and a (place of) security, and Appoint for yourselves a place of prayer on the standing-place of Ibrahim. And We enjoined Ibrahim and Ismail saying Purify My House for those who visit (it) and those who abide (in it) for devotion and those who bow down (and) those who prostrate themselves.
Even so called Progressive Muslims, say this 2125 And We have made the Dwelling to be a model for the people and a security. And you shall take from the situation of Abraham for communion. And We had entrusted to Abraham and Ishmael ?You shall purify My Dwelling for those who visit, and those who are devoted, and the kneeling, the prostrating.?http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/002.54.gif
that "You both maintain/manage the cleanliness/sanctity of My House for those people who circle around it , and stay around it, and for the purpose of bowing and prostration of people".Surat-02
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Lunatic don't listen to gem of Raaaja
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YUSUFALI Remember We made the House a place of assembly for men and a place of safety; and take ye the station of Abraham as a place of prayer; and We covenanted with Abraham and Isma'il, that they should sanctify My House for those who compass it round, or use it as a retreat, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in prayer).
PICKTHAL And when We made the House (at Makka) a resort for mankind and sanctuary, (saying) Take as your place of worship the place where Abraham stood (to pray). And We imposed a duty upon Abraham and Ishmael, (saying) Purify My house for those who go around and those who meditate therein and those who bow down and prostrate themselves (in worship). SHAKIR And when We made the House a pilgrimage for men and a (place of) security, and Appoint for yourselves a place of prayer on the standing-place of Ibrahim. And We enjoined Ibrahim and Ismail saying Purify My House for those who visit (it) and those who abide (in it) for devotion and those who bow down (and) those who prostrate themselves.
Even so called Progressive Muslims, say this 2125 And We have made the Dwelling to be a model for the people and a security. And you shall take from the situation of Abraham for communion. And We had entrusted to Abraham and Ishmael ?You shall purify My Dwelling for those who visit, and those who are devoted, and the kneeling, the prostrating.?Allah have a house of four walls? o Where is Allah's house located, refer to the Quran . Address and house no plz. ;D
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San
I think he discussed these verses for a specific Question.
Just by mere mentioning of Hajj all the concept of Hajj should be fitted in that specific aayt, sorry i did not get it.For your first part of post I will reply to you later.
Fitting every 'specific ayat' where a certain term is mentioned is a sign of consistency in the interpretation. Otherwise i believe the Quran itself will expose any inconsistency.
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San
Fitting every 'specific ayat' where a certain term is mentioned is a sign of consistency in the interpretation. Otherwise i believe the Quran itself will expose any inconsistency.
Since you question in much logical way and try to understand and try to convince others, therefore let us save our discussion for later part.
ayisha
so its ok to be a buddhist or a hindu or a sikh or a christian or a jew as they all got prophets and rituals ?
It is OK to be a Buddhist or Hindu or a Christian or a Jew, if they believe in One GOD and believe in Prophet Muhammad Peace is upon him.
Why did Allah sent messengers at different times because that particular nation went astray and corrupted the rituals, therefore to correct them as is mentioned in Quran. There was hajj and fasting from time of Ibrahim but people corrupted it therefore it was revived by Muhammad Peace is upon him, similarly people may have corrupted some rituals now as kissing of a stone, as we find nothing about it in Quran and also
from the Rawayat of Ummar it is clear that it is a stone only, which can neither harm nor benefit. -
Siki
Actually there was nothing well said in the post of Bob, he is just assuming and assuming. The pictures he has posted are of people who are facing the Kaaba as mentioned in Quran, Now that is understanding of billions of Muslims, and as there are four or five people including Dr. QZ and BOb in the world who believe that there is No fasting and No Hajj, there are some small number of Muslims who due to their illiteracy about Islam think that The actual bricks and cement that make up the Kaaba are holy.
They are no more holier than the bricks and cement that we see on regular basis in the towns that we live in. They do consider the actual Kaaba as a very sacred thing to a point where they would go as far as rubbing their bodies against it to get "blessings", but these people are not representing the True picture of Islam, as is DrQz and Bob not true representatives of Islam. If a person worships the Kaaba itself, then he/she becomes an idol worshiper.Bob trying to link Hindus idol worship with Muslims praying towards Kaaba is same third rated attempt of Dr. Qz to say that their is no fasting and Hajj.
The Hindus glorification of stones and rocks is not Islamic. We do not worship neither the Kaaba nor the black stone. In fact Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said in his famous saying thatfrom
http//www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?cid=1150542055755&pagename=IslamOnline-Arabic-Ask_Scholar/FatwaA/FatwaAAskTheScholar"Demolishing the Kaaba completely is much more preferred to Allah Almighty than shedding the blood of a Believing Muslim."
So no, we do not worship rocks and stones.
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salam
The story of Abraham, Ismail and Zam Zam do not appear in the Quran and the Prophet and his people do not know anything of the past.
Such are some of the stories of the UNSEEN, which We have REVEALED unto thee before this neither THOU nor thy PEOPLE knew them. So persevere patiently for the End is for those who are righteous. 1149
Prophet knew all the stories through revelation and in the same revelation (Quran), this story is not mentioned, then from which source this story emerged? Undoubtedly from the Hadith, the alleged sayings of the prophet. It is nothing but fake and fabricated to mislead the Muslims and make them believe that Ismail settled in Mecca.
Shame to all so called Muslims who have dumped Quran in the backyard and follow their gods Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawood, Ibn Majah, Tirmidhi, Muwatta.
Those who believe in the Quran in reality will never believe and follow Hadith. Only KAAFIRS and MUNAFIQS believe in the HADITH.
That is because those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord. Thus does Allah set forth their parables for mankind. 473
And when it said unto them follow that which Allah hath sent down, they say nay, we shall follow that way whereon we found our fathers - even though their fathers understood not aught, nor were they guided aright? 2170
Say "Then bring ye a Book from Allah which is a better Guide than either of them that I may follow it! (Do) if ye are truthful!" 2849
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peace Ayisha
Such are some of the stories of the UNSEEN, which We have REVEALED unto thee before this neither THOU nor thy PEOPLE knew them. So persevere patiently for the End is for those who are righteous. 1149
Prophet knew all the stories through revelation and in the same revelation (Quran), this story is not mentioned, then from which source this story emerged? Undoubtedly from the Hadith, the alleged sayings of the prophet. It is nothing but fake and fabricated to mislead the Muslims and make them believe that Ismail settled in Mecca.
Are we commanded to follow Torah?
Stories not mentioned in the Quran are as good as fake and fabricated.
It is through Quran we confirm the stories and commandments of Allah mentioned in Bible and Torah. when such stories do not appear in the Quran then how shall we confirm their authenticity and truthfulness.
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peace Ayisha
Such are some of the stories of the UNSEEN, which We have REVEALED unto thee before this neither THOU nor thy PEOPLE knew them. So persevere patiently for the End is for those who are righteous. 1149
These are the new things, not what was revealed before as these were known. Torah was known in these parts so was injeel or none of the names of other prophets would have been known either. This story is in Torah and that is where hadith got it as from and also stoning, although unknown if its the right 'place' or not but the story of Hagar and Ishmael and the water is in Torah.Prophet knew all the stories through revelation and in the same revelation (Quran), this story is not mentioned, then from which source this story emerged? Undoubtedly from the Hadith, the alleged sayings of the prophet. It is nothing but fake and fabricated to mislead the Muslims and make them believe that Ismail settled in Mecca.
Quran said it's a reminder and it also 'corrects' some of the stories that have gone wrong about previous prophets like Jesus being God's son. Also warns what the Jews did with the message. It does not re-tell everything as that is previous revelation and it updates and completes. This is all revelation from Allah as He confrims and by this time all changes to Torah and Gospel had been done so He just refreshes and updates on some of the previous stuff, it doesn't make the previous stuff void.Are we commanded to follow Torah?
Stories not mentioned in the Quran are as good as fake and fabricated.
No we are not commanded to follow Torah we are to follow the message of God and those who follow Torah are invited to be updated in Gods message. Stories not mentioned in Quran are not as good as fake or fabricated or why would Allah conirm those books and praise those that follow the revelation in them? The Torah itself was not corrupted but it was added to, just like adding hadith to Quran is done now, the Quran is still there and unchanged.It is through Quran we confirm the stories and commandments of Allah mentioned in Bible and Torah. when such stories do not appear in the Quran then how shall we confirm their authenticity and truthfulness.
By seeking knowledge and studying what it was that was changed in the 'understanding' and seeing what the 'additions' were and where they came from. Torah is there for you to read if you wish but if you think Quran negates these books you are wrong, Allah confirms them and corrects some misconceptions about them.
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Peace Noon,
How do we "witness" 318 La ilaha illa Huwa?
avow to declare assuredly
avower nounIt is not "shahid La ilaha illa Huwa" (which is ungrammatical) it is "shahida an La ilaha illa Huwa". There is a difference. Without "an" it is direct witnessing, while with it is "bearing witness that" or "avowing that". It is the difference between, for example, qal alkatheb alsayi' (he said the bad lies) and qal an alkatheb sayi' (he said that lies are bad). As you can see, in Arabic "an" makes a difference in meaning.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Ayman,
It is not "shahid La ilaha illa Huwa" (which is ungrammatical) it is "shahida an La ilaha illa Huwa". There is a difference. Without "an" it is direct witnessing, while with it is "bearing witness that" or "avowing that". It is the difference between, for example, qal alkatheb alsayi' (he said the bad lies) and qal an alkatheb sayi' (he said that lies are bad). As you can see, in Arabic "an" makes a difference in meaning.
You saying Qur?an text usage and stone marker without ?an? are not spelled correctly?
2185
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Translation
In the name of God, the beneficent, the Merciful
Witness Abdul Rehman bin Yazid
that there is no God but God and
He is one with no companion
and that Mohammad is his servant and the messenger
and the Day of Judgment will come
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Peace Noon,
You saying Qur?an text usage and stone marker without ?an? are not spelled correctly?
No, this is not what I am saying. Is the word "said" in the phrase "he said the bad lies" not spelled correctly compared to "He said that the lies are bad"? Of course not. It is just a different usage because of the "that" (the "an" in Arabic). What you are saying is that whether there is "an" (English that) or not doesn't make a difference. As we all know, this is incorrect and you can verify in your own examples below.
2185
Above in 2185 there is no "an".
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Above you can see the "an" highlighted in red.
Translation
In the name of God, the beneficent, the Merciful
Witness Abdul Rehman bin Yazid
that there is no God but God and
He is one with no companion
and that Mohammad is his servant and the messenger
and the Day of Judgment will come
there is not doubt about itAgain, above you can see the "an" (that) highlighted in red.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Ayman,
Above in 2185 there is no "an".
Please elaborate, let's study this carefully and apply consistency for best meaning of shahida ?
2185 so whoever shahida V ? 3rd person masculine singular perfect verb
from you the shahr318 shahida V ? 3rd person masculine singular perfect verb
Allah annahu, no god only Him and the malikatu and owners (of) knowledge standing in justice, no god only Him the All-Mighty the All-Wise4120 shahida V ? 3rd person masculine singular perfect verb
against them their hearing and their sight and their skins to what they used to do4386 only who shahida V ? 3rd person masculine singular perfect verb
to the truth (bil-aqi) and they knowAlso consider usage of the phrase in verses ...
1226 washahida V ? 3rd person masculine singular perfect verb
shhidun from her family(461010) washahida V ? 3rd person masculine singular perfect verb
shhidun from ban is'rla