:: Ramadhan Fasting or .....? ::
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Also it comes down to this in my opinion
If you don't want to fast, then don't do it. You don't need medical opinions for that...remember, this is between you and God. Not me, you, God and every Muslim that walks the face of the planet.
Until I find out otherwise that the fasting I am practicing as a Muslim is incorrect (based on the Qu'ran), then I feel better continuing to do so. But that is just me.
With Peace,
Amina.
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salaam talib,
You may be in 100% agreement, but can you answer why there has been 100% silence to the following rebuttal?
http//www.scribd.com/doc/63347625/az-vs-qz-on-saumIf you or others wish to discuss it, feel free to start another thread.
Salaam,
Thank your for the link. I tried to read it, but I found so many mistakes in initial pages itself. Here is a quote
Allah says
?an arabic reading (quran) w/o any crookedness that they may GUARD/ YATTAQOON?(392Very self explanatory ayat. The arabic language will GUARD us from deviating from thetruth. Many people will read translations in other language and not verify it in the arabic and simply get deviated from the truth. This is exactly what has happened to QZ and his supporters on quranology as well.
Now here in 3928, if you want to put MUTTAQI/RIGHTEOUS will it make sense???
The arabic language will make someone righteous?????? seriously? If that was the case, all arabs in the world today would have been very pious people.But we all know thats not the case. ?These are just a number of days.?
This is also an incorrect translation of AYYAMUM MADODAAT. It doesnt mean number of days MAADODAAT has root letters ayn-daal-daal.It means counting.It says ?Days COUNTED, so whoever amongst you is sick or on a journey, then COUNT fromother days........?Other examples
?...count (taoddu) the favours of Allah, u will not be able to.....? (1434)(161
Just to highlighted single thing, taken quote from page 3. Please check the highlighted part and there is no mentioned of LANGUAGE in the aayat, and how he is forcing to deviate readers mind towards language.
Besides this, all highlighted above is mistranslated.
I don't know what QM wrote, I have to check that out, inshaAllah, I will do that later as I am very very busy.
May Allah protect us to guide us to His true path pr
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Also it comes down to this in my opinion
If you don't want to fast, then don't do it. You don't need medical opinions for that...remember, this is between you and God. Not me, you, God and every Muslim that walks the face of the planet.
Until I find out otherwise that the fasting I am practicing as a Muslim is incorrect (based on the Qu'ran), then I feel better continuing to do so. But that is just me.
With Peace,
Amina.
Do what you want who cares . All I did was to refute your claims on how lovely and healthy fasting was according to you .
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LOL! Wow...just wow.
Just wow.... giveup
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Maha
I never said that fasting was "lovely and healthy." I said that I don't beleive that Allah (swt) would prescribe anything harmful for us..I never said anything otherwise. As a matter of fact my first post stated
I have only fasted 4 days out of this Ramadan because I have been dehydrated, but that is because I went into Ramadan dehydrated. That being said, I am hurting because of my own shortcoming, not because of anything Allah (swt) has prescribed.
So before you go insulting me yet AGAIN, I suggest you re-read my responses. And my answer stands If you need some medical response to justify not fasting, you seem to have plenty. Don't want to fast, then don't do it.
Amina
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Scaredmuslimah
But you are contradicting yourself my dear . You say that god won't prescribe something harmful to us, but I have jut given you medical evidenced for how harmful fasting is, especially fasting for a whole month every year. So yes fasting DOES harm your body and since I don't believe that god would prescribe something harmful for us either, I do not think that he has prescribed fasting for us.
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Peace All,
I always feel so disappointed when the discussion turns into a personal argument rather than an objective discussion. Come on guys, refer yourselves to the Rule Book and behave in a manner befitting true believers.
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Scaredmuslimah
But you are contradicting yourself my dear . You say that god won't prescribe something harmful to us, but I have jut given you medical evidenced for how harmful fasting is, especially fasting for a whole month every year. So yes fasting DOES harm your body and since I don't believe that god would prescribe something harmful for us either, I do not think that he has prescribed fasting for us.
Of course not, but he has advised us not to give rise to or exasperate thorny situations, And to get out of them if they happen (and to take the counsel of one who will give you good, sound advice if needed).
You will be then a muttaqee.
Why not check what is a muttaqee, as saum makes one a muttaqee ? I think.
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Peace All,
I always feel so disappointed when the discussion turns into a personal argument rather than an objective discussion. Come on guys, refer yourselves to the Rule Book and behave in a manner befitting true believers.
Exactly!
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Scaredmuslimah
But you are contradicting yourself my dear . You say that god won't prescribe something harmful to us, but I have jut given you medical evidenced for how harmful fasting is, especially fasting for a whole month every year. So yes fasting DOES harm your body and since I don't believe that god would prescribe something harmful for us either, I do not think that he has prescribed fasting for us.
I think that also. Specially because it says "God prescribed fasting as it was prescribed to those before you" and I think Jews and Xtians do not have Ramadan, or do they?
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Not a ramadan, that is for sure.
Jewish faith has two major fast days and four minor fast days. The two major fasts Yom Kippur and Tisha B?Av. They last about 24 hrs. They may not drink, eat, bathe, brush their hair, teeth.
They also have modified forms of fasting. This can be abstaining from food but not water, fasting but not observing bathing restrictions, or not observing some of the fasting days at all. Smoking does not break their fast either. Their fasting is based on mourning times with in the faith, not a celebration like Ramadan.
Christians, well we know some observe lent. In lent you may eat and drink in small amounts, but you may not eat meat on Fridays.
Those who are fasting, I wish you the best. My Dr. also to me it was very unsafe after a certain amount of time, it was not about hydration, as much as it was that after about 12 hours your body starts to eat its own muscle by turning to the glycogen stored in muscles, to use as fuel; and starting the process of ketosis (very bad for us diabetics). He did mention fasts under that amount of time can be beneficial. When it is under 12 hours I may resume. )
Allahu Alam
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God makes it clear not to impute lies about Him. And to God we have to answer.
Aren't we imputing lies by saying that fasting is obligatory? aren't we imputing lies against God by saying that God said to fast for 30 days straight in the month of Ramadan?
Didn't God say that the punishment for imputing lies against Him is severe? So why do we persist in telling lies and propagating them?
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Scaredmuslimah
But you are contradicting yourself my dear . You say that god won't prescribe something harmful to us, but I have jut given you medical evidenced for how harmful fasting is, especially fasting for a whole month every year. So yes fasting DOES harm your body and since I don't believe that god would prescribe something harmful for us either, I do not think that he has prescribed fasting for us.Dear Scaredmuslimah
This woman thinks too highly of herself she is not trying to refute you but she wants to refute 2184........ And it is better for you that ye FAST, if ye only knew
To see for your self how much she knows, just go through her "evidenc" which the researcher writes; it is likely to cause these conditions
2183 O ye who believe! FASTing is prescribed to you as it was prescribed to those before you, that ye may (learn) self-restraint
There is no self restraint practiced by some on ordinary days; never mind when fasting. They are worse than those smokers whose studies was included in her "evidence"
RESULTS Irritability was significantly higher in smokers than in nonsmokers before the beginning of Ramadan
Lol, as if smokers were less irritable when they tried to quit smoking at other times.easy at all? i have just given you references showing how fasting increase crimes and damages the health and you say that God wants all this?
Her reference is this site; (http//www.webcitation.org/query?url=http//www.dailystaregypt.com/article.aspx?ArticleID=3746&date=2011-07-12)
Ramadan saw rise in violent domestic crimes, media says
....?Throughout my 30-year career, Egypt has witnessed accidents and arguments ? nothing beyond the scope of a couple fighting over some issue during the Ramadan season, but in the last few years Ramadan now is akin to the other months of the year ? plagued with crime,? Mahmoud Salah, editor in chief of Akhbar El-Hawades newspaper, commented.Migraines are three times more common during Ramadan, affecting an estimated 90 million Muslims
The cause is the cleansing of toxins in the body accumalated due to bad eating habits outside of Ramadan.
To cure this problem eat mainly fruit and veg the week before the fast to rid your body of the toxins.
When you encounter the ignorant just say peace and walk on.
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I think that also. Specially because it says "God prescribed fasting as it was prescribed to those before you" and I think Jews and Xtians do not have Ramadan, or do they?
You guys are taking this verse out of context. It can be more correctly translated into "O ye who believe! Fasting is prescribed for you, even as it was prescribed for those before you, that ye may ward off (evil);"
God is not telling us that we share the same method of fasting as those before us. He's only telling us that this act of worship was prescribed for everyone.
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The Christian site
Awesome Benefits Of Fasting
The devil does not want you or I fasting unto God - period - ever! Anyone thinking about fasting unto God is a serious potential threat to Satan?s dominion on this planet.
One person willing to add fasting to their prayers and trust have the potential to do untold harm to Satan?s operations on this planet, because these three weapons the Holy Spirit has given the Body of Christ can release the power of God upon this earth and into situations like nothing else can that God has given to the Body of Christ. (Of course, the impartation of the Holy Spirit and proper usage of the Word of God and God's specific will in each matter is also included in this).
Once the devil observes a person interested in being the most effective vessel for God they can be in hindering Satan?s influence over the affairs of mankind and showing great interest in combining fasting with prayer and trust, he has certain strategies he will try to implement to hinder that?s person?s progress in moving forward.
Here is one of his most common tactics he employs to keep one from moving forward in being more skilled to use the weapon of fasting A sense of being nearly overwhelmed.
?I can?t fast; God is asking too much of me. Demands on my life right now don?t allow me to fast. Health issues won?t allow it; my doctor doesn?t want me to either.? The list can go on and on ?
http//www.precious-testimonies.com/Exhortations/f-j/TheAwesomeBenefitsOfFasting3.htmWhen prayer and trust does not seem to be getting the job done ... consider including the weapon of fasting."
Outside of obedience to God's Word, fasting is the greatest spiritual discipline (weapon) for seeking God's intervention. Combined with prayer they together make up the most critical weapons of spiritual warfare and deliverance in our lives. While we cannot manipulate God to fulfill our desires exactly as laid out to Him, fasting moves God to fulfill His intended will over the matters in our lives.
God's will is that we are not controlled by anything but His Spirit, and fasting (combined with prayer) helps us be much more sensitive and responsive to the Holy Spirit (as well as being more obedient to God's Word). It also moves the Holy Spirit to be more inclined to be responsive to US.
http//www.precious-testimonies.com/Exhortations/a-e/AwesomeBenefitsOfFastingPart1.htm -
The cause is the cleansing of toxins in the body accumalated due to bad eating habits outside of Ramadan.
To cure this problem eat mainly fruit and veg the week before the fast to rid your body of the toxins.
When you encounter the ignorant just say peace and walk on.
Salaamsure didn't learn about this cure in my medical training. if this was the cure, sure would be prescribing it to all migraine sufferers. by the way, i have migraines and i eat mostly fruits, veggies year around.
taking your advice, when you encounter the ignorant just say peace and walk on.
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sure didn't learn about this cure in my medical training. if this was the cure, sure would be prescribing it to all migraine sufferers. by the way, i have migraines and i eat mostly fruits, veggies year around.
taking your advice, when you encounter the ignorant just say peace and walk on. )
Oh don't walk away so soon read this only if you wish to learn beside your incomplete medical training;
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604176.0 -
Dear Scaredmuslimah
This woman thinks too highly of herself she is not trying to refute you but she wants to refute 2184........ And it is better for you that ye FAST, if ye only knew
To see for your self how much she knows, just go through her "evidenc" which the researcher writes; it is likely to cause these conditions
2183 O ye who believe! FASTing is prescribed to you as it was prescribed to those before you, that ye may (learn) self-restraint
There is no self restraint practiced by some on ordinary days; never mind when fasting. They are worse than those smokers whose studies was included in her "evidence"
RESULTS Irritability was significantly higher in smokers than in nonsmokers before the beginning of Ramadan
Lol, as if smokers were less irritable when they tried to quit smoking at other times. Her reference is this site; (http//www.webcitation.org/query?url=http//www.dailystaregypt.com/article.aspx?ArticleID=3746&date=2011-07-12)Ramadan saw rise in violent domestic crimes, media says
....?Throughout my 30-year career, Egypt has witnessed accidents and arguments ? nothing beyond the scope of a couple fighting over some issue during the Ramadan season, but in the last few years Ramadan now is akin to the other months of the year ? plagued with crime,? Mahmoud Salah, editor in chief of Akhbar El-Hawades newspaper, commented.
The cause is the cleansing of toxins in the body accumalated due to bad eating habits outside of Ramadan.
To cure this problem eat mainly fruit and veg the week before the fast to rid your body of the toxins.
When you encounter the ignorant just say peace and walk on.
SalaamListen you angry woman. You are a woman who loves to fight and got a very nasty attitude towards everyone who doesn't agree with you . Listen angry woman, if you dont stop your nasty attitude towards me I will go to the admins, do you get that angry woman?
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Listen you angry woman. You are a woman who loves to fight and got a very nasty attitude towards everyone who doesn't agree with you . Listen angry woman, if you dont stop your nasty attitude towards me I will go to the admins, do you get that angry woman?
And I shall join you! But for the moment, just ignore posts by that horrible angry woman, do not let them upset you.
