If "Only Allah", then "Allah Alone" is our watchword

drfazl

Ever heard of this?

478
...? Say "All is from God." What, then, is amiss with these people that they are in no wise near to grasping the truth of what they are told?

Freedomstands, I appreciate your flooding the page with the ayats of Allah but to what purpose? Do the ayats on the page say anything on the eye diseases or about the other thousands of human diseases the modern medical technology has listed and still growing ever strongly in numbers without ability to cure any of them making the patients regain normalcy as created by Allah in the first place?

478
...? Say "All is from God." What, then, is amiss with these people that they are in no wise near to grasping the truth of what they are told?

In 4.79 Allah speaks clearly to us

Every good is from Allah and every evil is from what your own technologies have wrought upon you.

This topic is concerning life and death with the modern technologies, with the inventions in medicines and the astuteness of the highly skilled specialised doctors as against the dictum of Allah.

I think I am doing the best not only to the elderly people but the youngest ones too. I was only quoting of the Sign 12/96 from the Signs of Quran.

4.78
Wherever you may be, death will overtake you, even if you should be within towers of lofty construction. But if good comes to them, they say, "This is from Allah "; and if evil befalls them, they say, "This is from you." Say, ?All are from Allah." So what is with those people that they can hardly understand any hadith?

Wherever you are, death will overtake you wholesomely or by your bodily parts in bits and pieces which means you cannot protect a person with all human inventions and even if all disciplines of specialists gathered together. Allah predestines everything that happens on the earth or in you before it comes to pass 57/22; Allah awaits a period of time, with you, showing you His Signs after Signs 46/27 to make you return soulfully unto His refuge alone, which period of time 29/53, and the place 3/154 and the Hour appointed to each of us 35/45 is hidden to us. He watches you keenly over all that you do 5/71; 57/4 - either against His pleasure or to His Pleasure.

Allah warns if he touches you with afflictions none can dispel it but He 6/17, & 10/107; and in the same verse His glad tiding is if he gives you the good none can avert it. Only the pride of whatever each possesses as his knowledge turns him away from and against Allah; he fails to remember Allah as he increases in his waxing, whereupon Allah joins him in close companionship 43/36; 58/19 with a like minded shaitan and he becomes his closest guardian; and the companion makes all his inventive technologies 41/25 of the past and the future look beautiful to him; such are the losers forever; it is not their eyes that are blind but it is the hearts in their bosoms that are blind 22/46.

Here are certain eye conditions where the technologically oriented doctors cannot dispel an affliction.

common blepharitis, lagophthalmos, blepharochalasis, ptosis, scleritis, glaucoma, band keratopathy, macular edema, uveitis, retinitis pigmentosa, retinoblastoma, chorioretinitis, retinoschisis , retinopathies of every sort, macular degeneration, disorders of the optic nerves, disorders of the ocular muscles, myasthenia and the list goes on endlessly.

Allah reveals us about all the prophets so that our Iman is strengthened in Him. It is well stated in the ayat 11/120 for all of us to follow. And in accordance with this ayat, if we stand by the prophets Yusuf, and Yaqub and follow them we shall not have diseases of sight and vision; there are no diseases in the eyes, but in your hearts, there is 2/10; let Allah not increase these disorders by increasing the diseases in our hearts and thereby in our community because of our rebellion to 6/17 and 10/107.

If you read 479, Allah speaks clearly to us Every good is from Allah and every evil is from what your hands have wrought upon you. Your health is from Allah and our diseases are due to the illness in the heart of hearts committing shirk. Allah knows what we hide in our bosoms and what we openly do.

Of course you speak from Quran, but I want you to answer sticking to the topic, please freedomstands. The eye diseases in quran and the ayats that say that the eyes are to be cured by the fire technology of the jinns; there are lots of verses about the eyesights in Quran which I hoped you would come up with; but unfortunately all your shipments have failed to deliver the good I asked for.

FreedomStands

The Qur'an says "All is from God".

In ancient times they had less options and solutions for helping people with certain medical problems, today they have more, and if God so wills, in the future they may have solutions to other medical problems.

God provides the knowledge and the technology, is the inventor of "All".

Those things you called "flooding ayats" earlier were meant to demonstrate how God created all, I recommend you look at what I've been writing here to you and in the other posts as well.

If you say that not all is from God but there are other creators or sources of creation or powers that can act and create, you are performing shirk, and the Qur'an seems to say the curse of Allah is on those who perform shirk.

452 Such are those whom Allah has cursed! You will not find any helper for the one cursed by Allah.
453 Do they have a share in the kingdom (of Allah)? Had it been so, they would not have granted people even a speck on a date-stone.

Medical solutions have assisted many people in improving their conditions and life, and this help is from God, there is no other source of power, technology, knowledge, experience, information, insight, action, or anything else.

Anyone who says there are other sources and that "God did not create everything, only some things, while there were other creators of things that God did not create" then you are performing shirk plainly, and according to the Qur'an are totally cursed by Allah.

There are no ways around it really. Allah is the creator of everything, even if a jinn thinks of something, or a human, it is Allah behind all of it, creating all of that, putting them into action.

The harm and the benefit is from God alone, not from yourself, nothing is from yourself, even what you deem as being from yourself, the Qur'an says about that "All is from God", it does not follow that sentence by contradicting itself immediately and saying "All is from God, but not All, just some", so please cease and desist if that is what you're suggesting.

You either stop performing shirk, or you continue performing shirk. Those are the options. If you stop performing shirk, that will be better for you. You can continue to disregard the technologies invented by God to help humanity, where before they had been in even more difficulty regarding a great deal of medical issues, but to say that "God did not create everything" is absolute shirk, and that is where the problem is.

Those "flooding ayats" were to assist you in seeing what the Qur'an says.

DrGm

Let us see if we can bring our difference to 0 so that we are in line with one another

yes, all is from Allah. this 'all' i understand is good and bad. in this all, i want only good (is there anyone out there who wants bad for himself) and so i want to differentiate good from bad because good and bad is created by Allah to give us our due - to get good obey Allah; obey not, all bad befall us.

i think you say that i cannot ask for good because it is Allah who decide good or bad for me. this is here i differ; i choose good by accepting Allah. if you say i cannot choose, i differ and i seek Allah's help to choose good.

in the context of the topic, i choose Allah instead of a doctor/medicine-man to cure me and i pray Him, "do not let us to a situation that we shirk, forgive us and purify us". what is your take - choose.

FreedomStands

yes, all is from Allah. this 'all' i understand is good and bad. in this all, i want only good (is there anyone out there who wants bad for himself) and so i want to differentiate good from bad because good and bad is created by Allah to give us our due - to get good obey Allah; obey not, all bad befall us.

i think you say that i cannot ask for good because it is Allah who decide good or bad for me. this is here i differ; i choose good by accepting Allah. if you say i cannot choose, i differ and i seek Allah's help to choose good.

in the context of the topic, i choose Allah instead of a doctor/medicine-man to cure me and i pray Him, "do not let us to a situation that we shirk, forgive us and purify us". what is your take - choose.

Sounds almost fine to me. You said good and bad is from Allah, including everything, that is true. There is no other source of anything nor executor of any affairs. I am not suggesting we can't pray, but that whatever it is we pray or don't pray, that is ultimately from Allah. Basically it changes nothing much in our actions except if we are allowed to understand this or not, so it is basically irrelevant even though it is important to acknowledge, but I am not suggesting that there is no praying or asking for good or seeking good, if you seek good that is ultimately from Allah, if you don't seek good that is also from Allah, whatever you do is the will of Allah, it may be good for you, it may be bad for you.

Your not seeking medical assistance is also from Allah, it may be in your favor, it may not be in your favor, Allah knows, we do not know if it is in your favor or not. Allah may be guiding you, or may be leading you into harm. Whatever it is, your will, your desires, are all from Allah. If you choose to do this or choose to do that, it is only Allah who is actually choosing if you do this or if you do that.

So in our immediate circumstances, it appears we have a choice, so we should always choose the most beneficial options and judge carefully and wisely, but the Ultimate truth is that whatever it is that comes to our minds specifically is from God, we didn't create it, and we may be misled or harmed by what God makes happen, and God makes everything that happens, happen.

It is not shirk to accept medical services, just like it is not shirk to accept food from restaurant, or to allow someone to mend a tool or repair a shoe. Medicine is just a tool that can assist some people. Sometimes people have infections and anti-bacterial substances can kill the infection in order to help the body defend itself, and it is Allah who has taught people these things and given them this opportunity.

Allah can heal you miraculously too, and even medical technology and all things in existence can be considered miracles of Allah, but this specification is reminiscent of those who asked Jesus to bring down a tablespread from the sky in order to feed them, to which Allah replied that if they disbelieve after this point, they will be punished like no others. Similarly, the Jews were considered evil for their requests of onions while being provided Manna.

One should pray for healing, but that doesn't mean one should reject the medicine that comes, if that is what God intends to heal the person with. Just like God intended to put Noah in a boat and made him build one. Noah could've said "no! I want you to lift me up over the water, I will not depend on a boat!" and God could have drowned him.

So why is it that these people are demanding a very specific way that they should be healed while rejecting the technologies of Allah that have helped so many people?

Meanwhile, you're even using technologies like that constantly, even the computer.

The doctor is not the healer, it is Allah healing you, but the doctors sometimes by Allah's will and command and knowledge know certain methods now which can treat certain ailments, which if not treated properly can lead to harm and trouble for people.

"No! I want God to heal me in a certain way, not with medicines!" What is this stubborn issue? "If my hand gets cut off, I will not have it sown back on! I want God to make it fly up and re attach to my hand! I demand it be so! I will pray for that, and will accept no other method of help from God!"

Do you see?

drfazl

The Qur'an says "All is from God".

4.79 What comes to you of good is from Allah , but what comes to you of evil, is from yourself. And We have sent you, to the people as a messenger, and sufficient is Allah as Witness.

Please explain. Let us go slow.
All is from God? Or only Good is from God? And is not bad only from you?

drfazl

In ancient times they had less options and solutions for helping people with certain medical problems, today they have more, and if God so wills, in the future they may have solutions to other medical problems.

Allah made to suffer all ancient people with no options other than Allah? Today Allah has helped you with more and more options other than Allah? And tomorrow Allah will give almost every options to seek from other than Allah for a beautiful life? This is what you want to promote by Allah and through His Guidance, The Luminescent Book?

drfazl

God provides the knowledge and the technology, is the inventor of "All".

I have never seen such an Attribute for God, The Inventor, but seen Him As the Originator, The Creator. Please show where is this Name for Allah as The Inventor?

If you say that not all is from God but there are other creators or sources of creation or powers that can act and create, you are performing shirk, and the Qur'an seems to say the curse of Allah is on those who perform shirk.

God's decree is that if you follow Allah you will receive goodly reward from Allah; Allah rewards you when He is pleased with your obedience; so all good is from Allah. And if you disobey Allah, then God's decree is that you will be made to undergo punishment by way of afflictions from Him; and you will not avert it; no medication, no doctors could help you; and it is happening to day all patients die ultimately in the hospital committing shirk; and so in this manner the bad is from Allah as a punishment for your shirky disobedience.

The under quoted ayats are a misplaced ones, given the context.

452 Such are those whom Allah has cursed! You will not find any helper for the one cursed by Allah.
453 Do they have a share in the kingdom (of Allah)? Had it been so, they would not have granted people even a speck on a date-stone.

Medical solutions have assisted many people in improving their conditions and life, and this help is from God, there is no other source of power, technology, knowledge, experience, information, insight, action, or anything else.

Living on medications and added adverse effects upon the existing diseases with poisoned bodily system is improvement in the condition of their lives? Weird stuff, isn't it?

Anyone who says there are other sources and that "God did not create everything, only some things, while there were other creators of things that God did not create" then you are performing shirk plainly, and according to the Qur'an are totally cursed by Allah.

Look up to other sources for cure from illnesses other than Allah is surely shirk; I endorse it.

There are no ways around it really. Allah is the creator of everything

Yes, Allah is not the destructor of man, but the man is. Man is unjust, wrongdoer, vilely, atrocious while God is Rahman and Rahim.

Man_of_Faith

Salaam drfazl,

He is obsessed with this "God is the doer of everything" passages to the extent of over - applying it ignoring other information possible to extract from it, in my opinion.

DrGm

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Your not seeking medical assistance is also from Allah, it may be in your favor, it may not be in your favor, Allah knows, we do not know if it is in your favor or not. Allah may be guiding you, or may be leading you into harm. Whatever it is, your will, your desires, are all from Allah. If you choose to do this or choose to do that, it is only Allah who is actually choosing if you do this or if you do that.

i see like this if we pray/ask Allah for healing, it is a favour from my God who is the Healer. I believe in His Power of Healing, His forgiveness and His All-Mighty. ask Him His Guidance believing He will guide me to good. whereas you say He may or guide me into harm? how will it fit Allah, be Allah when He do not understand my prayer / need for good but He opt bad for me. it will make me leave Allah if i know my prayer is useless and anyway it is He who decide good or bad for me! even though i seek good - path-etic human! i become.

who will desire for bad omen for themselves. everyone will desire them only good. this shows only good desire comes from Allah. if we reject, His desire loses His protection and turns to be bad to the rejecter. this is how bad influences a person i understand.

It is not shirk to accept medical services, just like it is not shirk to accept food from restaurant, or to allow someone to mend a tool or repair a shoe. Medicine is just a tool that can assist some people. Sometimes people have infections and anti-bacterial substances can kill the infection in order to help the body defend itself, and it is Allah who has taught people these things and given them this opportunity.

you yourself say medicine is a tool to assist only some people. sometimes people may have infections due to anti-bacterial substances that can kill them. it is Allah who designed some shirking people get killed by their shirk of medical services. you may not be one of the shirking men, because you see it only a tool. it is Allah who taught these people these things and gave them this opportunity. certainly i can allow someone to mend my shoe not my toe.

So why is it that these people are demanding a very specific way that they should be healed while rejecting the technologies of Allah that have helped so many people?

asking Allah to heal us, is it specific or by a technology is specific, decide.

Meanwhile, you're even using technologies like that constantly, even the computer.

i do not shirk technology and consider me and my computer the same. can put the computer into service spare parts avbl.

The doctor is not the healer, it is Allah healing you, but the doctors sometimes by Allah's will and command and knowledge know certain methods now which can treat certain ailments, which if not treated properly can lead to harm and trouble for people.

FS. can you see how you phrased the sentence above - but, sometimes, certain methods, certain ailments, not treated properly, lead harm, trouble people. you can not say it firm because your Allah Alone stand is preventing it. i.e., the good from Allah preventing you from your bad shirk in technology.

"No! I want God to heal me in a certain way, not with medicines!" What is this stubborn issue? "If my hand gets cut off, I will not have it sown back on! I want God to make it fly up and re attach to my hand! I demand it be so! I will pray for that, and will accept no other method of help from God!"

Do you see?

the way you quote above, may be from a person who do not follow Allah, His end, His angels, His scriptures and His messengers.

i see to pray Allah do not put me in a situation so that the rejecters mock at me. i believe Allah will not allow His bondsmen to a grave situation unwanted. let them bring a situation, by their desire, they have technologies for good, they can help, they think it is from Allah.

FreedomStands

Salaam drfazl,

He is obsessed with this "God is the doer of everything" passages to the extent of over - applying it ignoring other information possible to extract from it, in my opinion.

lol if it isn't that way, then who else is the "doer"? Ultimately, the fact that God is doing it all, changes nothing about what is done or what we do really. Which makes it even funnier than no one can swallow this simple pointless fact that is meant to eliminate the shirk tendency in people. It is mainly just to watch people try to dance around it.

FreedomStands

Salaam drfazl,

He is obsessed with this "God is the doer of everything" passages to the extent of over - applying it ignoring other information possible to extract from it, in my opinion.

Also, using this attempt to talk about how I'm "obsessed" when these people are telling people to reject medical technologies and help? Are you sure you're doing the right thing? What does it matter though, you're best pals with Sustainer, so it probably doesn't matter much that you're choosing this opportune moment to talk about my "obsession" while these people are basically trying to tell people to die and reject medical technology.

FreedomStands

4.79 What comes to you of good is from Allah , but what comes to you of evil, is from yourself. And We have sent you, to the people as a messenger, and sufficient is Allah as Witness.

Please explain. Let us go slow.
All is from God? Or only Good is from God? And is not bad only from you?

Read the verse right behind that one and tell if it just contradicted itself immediately after it made the statement "All is from God".

The answer is "All is from God", the good that is from God is from God, the evil that you deem to be from yourselves is from God too, that is what ALL IS FROM GOD means. Go ahead and read it carefully, and stop the shirk and blasphemy.

FreedomStands

Allah made to suffer all ancient people with no options other than Allah? Today Allah has helped you with more and more options other than Allah? And tomorrow Allah will give almost every options to seek from other than Allah for a beautiful life? This is what you want to promote by Allah and through His Guidance, The Luminescent Book?

There is no "other than Allah" which is the point I've been repeating repeatedly, ALL IS FROM GOD. You're telling people to reject the gifts of Allah. Allah took credit for the chainmail armor, the ships, the iron crafting, all sorts of things, All is from God, these are not from other sources because there are no other sources.

Argue you all you want, add some more shirk to your book.

FreedomStands

I have never seen such an Attribute for God, The Inventor, but seen Him As the Originator, The Creator. Please show where is this Name for Allah as The Inventor?

God's decree is that if you follow Allah you will receive goodly reward from Allah; Allah rewards you when He is pleased with your obedience; so all good is from Allah. And if you disobey Allah, then God's decree is that you will be made to undergo punishment by way of afflictions from Him; and you will not avert it; no medication, no doctors could help you; and it is happening to day all patients die ultimately in the hospital committing shirk; and so in this manner the bad is from Allah as a punishment for your shirky disobedience.

The under quoted ayats are a misplaced ones, given the context.

Living on medications and added adverse effects upon the existing diseases with poisoned bodily system is improvement in the condition of their lives? Weird stuff, isn't it?

Look up to other sources for cure from illnesses other than Allah is surely shirk; I endorse it.

Yes, Allah is not the destructor of man, but the man is. Man is unjust, wrongdoer, vilely, atrocious while God is Rahman and Rahim.

http//islamawakened.com/quran/59/24/

See if you find the word "Inventor" there.

To "invent" something, generally means to "create" too, to design, etc.

There is no other "creator" of anything. You're making me angry, as usual.

Those quotes about the curse on the shirk people are not misplaced, you can read a few verses up and you'll see it mentions shirk, but there are many things in the Qur'an about how shirk is bad and the people who do it are bad.

Shirk means "sharing", and generally means those who attribute to others creative powers, a "share" in the creation. The Qur'an says there is no other creator at all, All is from God. I gave numerous examples, you seem to ignore them, so now it is just a matter of waiting until you go wherever you may be going.

You state there are "others" which create things, this is the definition of shirk, and you perform it repeatedly.

I state there are no "others" that create anything at all. What I say is in line with the Qur'an and reality, and is not shirk.

To "invent" is generally a word for creating something, making something, and only God does this ultimately, no one else has the power to even think of anything at all good or bad.

We can just repeat this all day long. Consider yourself warned. This may be brought up on Judgment day, and lets see if the one who says "You didn't create everything" will be granted good. If you are granted good, then the Qur'an lied when it said that shirk is the unforgivable sin.

It is not shirk to use a computer, ride on a boat, or mend a wound. Just because some medications hurt people, just like a car might hurt people, does not mean there are other creators than God or that medication has not also helped people.

Don't talk to me too much, you irritate me tremendously. Out of all the people on this forum, I dislike you the most strongly because of your style, your views, the shirk, and your promotion of something which can harm many people, like telling children and the elderly not to take medicine which can help them or receive surgery which can help them. Also the way you come around and have harassed me in the past, calling me a devil and whatnot, which is generally what devils do themselves probably.

Telling people there are other creators besides God, that God is not the power but people have the power to "do this or do that" thus Chance is the determiner, telling people to die and suffer when God has given people medical technologies that can help them, and so much more, your crimes are many and you continue to persist in them.

FreedomStands