If "Only Allah", then "Allah Alone" is our watchword
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Brother mmkhan, salam
Who you will see rushing to doctors are those who could not believe in Allah, more so when it comes to between life and death; they care not Allah's call to them warning them there is no God besides He and let not the deceiver deceive you about Allah. If a muslim cannot believe only in Allah even at a stage, i.e., in the final stages when the situation is deathward, in what else would he be a believer? A strange paradox of one who claims him to be a mumin, indeed!
No doctor knows about the life-force except Allah, the creator of all living beings with life-force. And He alone is the Guide for the life force until the end of life span of each, when the life is captured. Unbelievable this, that they think one who doctors or corrupts the life force can rejuvenate and save the life force.
And Allah says if they turn to Him for life after the doctors have done away with them, then their prayers will not be accepted 40/85 on any account, for their accounts with Allah has already been closed and sealed. We have to fear Allah and guard against the doctors who deceive making us believe they are saviours; but for a very few, most are weak in their belief or iman. They fear loss of their lives; but it has been mentioned in 2/155 that it is bound to happen at some point in the life of every individual which none can escape.
They say Allah had given the gift of medical knowledge to the doctors to create, sustain and save the life force while they know well such gift is not given.
Why did Noah build a boat. Why did Muhammed fight in wars? Why did Yusuf go to a prison? What is with you man? Going to a hospital is not haram. Why didn't the people just sit there and let the disease of oppression grow in them and wait for some miracle of their preference instead? They had to fight. Noah had to build a boat, why didn't he just sit there and be made to fly instead? Why didn't Yusuf just go fly off somewhere, instead of being restrained in a physical building of a prison?
Why were people instructed to fight rather than saying oh not, just sit back and wait for things to solve themselves? Huh?
Do you know why you make me angry (one of the many reasons)? You are telling people to die, and saying they have no faith if they take action to help themselves. Why do you eat food man? What do you need food for, is it because you're faithless and so you do "shirk" and eat food? What do you need to eat food for at all? The same goes with medicine, you eat food when you're hungry but don't take medicine when you're sick? Why do you eat then. Is it because you know what will happen if you stop eating? Is that your lack of faith? Do you think that if you stop eating forever, you will starve? Is that faithlessness on your part?
Don't go around telling people to die with your sick advice. It is demented and evil. If people need medicine or surgery to help them, they should take it and not have a disgusting enemy like you telling them to die. Go starve yourself to death then, faithless one, why do you eat food?
Why do you use electricity? It is a "fire technology". You hypocrite. You're just a joke, get lost. You're the most dangerous person on this website because of your sick ideas and promotion, and anyone who supports you is a sick person too. Yeah, it is you who is sick and spreading sickness too, telling people not to take medicine if they need it. That is CRIMINAL. Do any of the mad fools on this website UNDERSTAND that it is CRIMINAL to tell people to die like that and not to fight disease. YOU HAVE TO FIGHT WARS, YOU HAVE TO FIGHT DISEASE, stop spreading disease, you plague spreading monster. Yes, I have every right to call you that, look at what you're doing. STOP IT.
You should be reported on top of it because you're genuinely promoting that people should die and that disease should be spread rather than contained and quelled. You are unbelievably sick minded, get off the internet and stop using "fire technology" and go live in a cave and stop eating and just eat your imagination and stop working to harm people.
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Brother mmkhan, salam
Who you will see rushing to doctors are those who could not believe in Allah, more so when it comes to between life and death; they care not Allah's call to them warning them there is no God besides He and let not the deceiver deceive you about Allah. If a muslim cannot believe only in Allah even at a stage, i.e., in the final stages when the situation is deathward, in what else would he be a believer? A strange paradox of one who claims him to be a mumin, indeed!
No doctor knows about the life-force except Allah, the creator of all living beings with life-force. And He alone is the Guide for the life force until the end of life span of each, when the life is captured. Unbelievable this, that they think one who doctors or corrupts the life force can rejuvenate and save the life force.
And Allah says if they turn to Him for life after the doctors have done away with them, then their prayers will not be accepted 40/85 on any account, for their accounts with Allah has already been closed and sealed. We have to fear Allah and guard against the doctors who deceive making us believe they are saviours; but for a very few, most are weak in their belief or iman. They fear loss of their lives; but it has been mentioned in 2/155 that it is bound to happen at some point in the life of every individual which none can escape.
They say Allah had given the gift of medical knowledge to the doctors to create, sustain and save the life force while they know well such gift is not given.
So by using your logic, AVICENNA IS A KAFIR!
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Hello,
To accuse drfazl of "shirk" is quite farfetched. Drfazl is very close to the Gnostic school of thought, and he has a point in his propagation against medicine, especially modern medicine with artificial drugs not even created by the Rabb. But the underlying idea in this kind of thought is that the physical world should be abstained from and why prolong the life in case it happens that you are blessed with departure except for people who like to live in this world. Jesus rebuked a disciple for saying it is sad that he has to die and to stop him from dieing by saying "begone Satan!" referring to the instinct that wants to cling unto this world. Obviously Jesus was already elevated from his flesh to the extent the execution did not hurt him. Yet after all they did he prayed for them to be forgiven, as he taught others.
If drfazl's "prayer healing" works it is because he and his patient has faith in it. Faith can through the spirit affect the flesh. Jesus said that strong faith can move a mountain.
Strong faith is always better than physical therapy and a person with a good "ascension" to what the Buddhists call Nirvana will naturally be less afflicted by diseases and through that live long lives without even a dose of medicine. It is the indulgence in the world that makes us sick. It is "programmed" that way. The world was meant from the beginning of the test to be abstained from and indulgence punishes itself.
To keep the flesh alive and healthy through eating and drinking is all which is required without overeating. The necessity to eat and drink is a curse which we do not wish to make worse. Same with sex. It is a curse and a trap. It is a pleasant and a strong drive, but is fooling us to like to be the body we are within. Eating good food and sex has a lot in common. People call it extremism, but that is how it is. It is the perfect delusion to refine the very best specimens. The world was not meant to be enjoyed even if it is a great temptation. That temptation is generally called Shaytaan. And by following Shaytaan you show you rather be the animal.
And people make fun of what I teach. I know that and I pity them for not perceiving how lost they are themselves. They await an equal paradise, but that longing shows they like the world. Those acquainted await a release from the flesh and also show they do not like to be the dull body. The flesh for them will not continue and they will not be forced to constantly be cautious of not consuming when they are disconnected from the instinctive human body.
Our lifestyles have cursed ourselves. If we did not consume so much sugar we would not need those fluoride toothpastes. It is an evil circle. Even if you do not intentionally swallow the toothpaste you are affected by it and the mouth has a natural defense against foreign agents. If you ate just the right amounts and no or little sugar (fruit) then it would be okay to just keep the mouth as it is. Once upon a time the only sweetener was honey and at least that is healthy at the same time as sweet.
I stand by drfazl that our habits cause our afflictions. Vaccines can help against diseases, but they often have nasty side-effects and they corrupt the genes Our reliance on medicine even seems to make us more sick, and the diseases get even stronger by evolving to overcome the prevention.
Be well
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That Being said I do not stand by every detail of drfazl's stance on the dynamics of allah. But he is on the right track in terms of abstention.
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So by using your logic, AVICENNA IS A KAFIR!
I do not speak logic here and then start argument over logics of each other; here we have the ayats. I want you to answer me based on 6/17 & 10/107. First write down the two ayats; then explain it or interpret it from your own comprehension; and then deducing from it, answer your question. There is just only one shaytans infested, hell-bound, confirmed kafir here who wants the whole world to die at the hands of the doctors or under their knives. Allah created food for you; never medicines. I say every word here from Quran; surely Allah had never given any gifts to man such as medicines i.e., the poisons but food to stay healthy, free of diseases; and He admonishes man to turn to Him repenting for having committed shirk, turning to doctors for cure from diseases shunning Allah. Avicenna is father of all doctors, that is all the answer to your question.
Get well, by Allah
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by gods help...good answer...maasha allah.
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Salute @drfazl, all
Allah created food for you; never medicines ...
I realize the pharmaceutical/drug industry is treacherous ...
This, however, does not mean "medicine" is not needed! Just their pseudo-cure/s.Personally, I understand/translate QA. nl () as "insects" ,
as this appears to be the intended meaning of the quranic term in question ...Why am I telling you this?
Because, G-D has already provided our (needed) cures inside (as indicated in 16/69).
Cf. haemolymph.This is my cu., G-D is best acquainted.
SLM
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I realize the pharmaceutical/drug industry is treacherous.
This however does not mean "medicine is not needed"!I agree.
I think it's pretty clear that God provides the natural medicine, such as various medicinal plants, honey, essential oils (e.g. olive oil, cajuput oil),
and even it seems there are certain animals that can be consumed as medicine (e.g. golden sea cucumber, antlion larva) or used for therapeutic treatment (e.g. leech, bee).
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I agree.
I think it's pretty clear that God provides the natural medicine, such as various medicinal plants, honey, essential oils (e.g. olive oil, cajuput oil),
and even it seems there are certain animals that can be consumed as medicine (e.g. golden sea cucumber, antlion larva) or used for therapeutic treatment (e.g. leech, bee).
The truth is none of the natural herbs or things what you have mentioned has the ability to cure a single disease of thousands and thousands of fantastic diagnoses of modern medicine. Therefore Allah has not created any curative medicine for any of your diseases but warns us to turn to Him in repentance 6/43 for a disease free life here and bids us to eat of the good foods He has produced for you and to invoke His Name before eating them 6/119.
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@ drfazl
I'm not a fan of the doctor, and praise be to Allah, I don't go to the doctors in a quite long time.
There was time when I got ill, and then I recovered without eating specific medicine, praise be to Allah.
However, there was also time when I felt sick, and then I begged to Allah, and then somehow Allah made me met with the further situation when I felt "pushed" to eat certain medicine (as if Allah wanted me to eat that, that time I didn't even specifically buy that remedy, and also, that time, it was without the intervention of doctor), so, in my opinion, Allah healed me by that way, praise be to Him.
And through that experience, I could learn something. I think Allah taught me that eating the right medicine is not a sin, and because what I want to take is personal lesson from Allah, so I think you are not 100% correct on this issue.
Peace.
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I do not speak logic here and then start argument over logics of each other; here we have the ayats. I want you to answer me based on 6/17 & 10/107. First write down the two ayats; then explain it or interpret it from your own comprehension; and then deducing from it, answer your question. There is just only one shaytans infested, hell-bound, confirmed kafir here who wants the whole world to die at the hands of the doctors or under their knives. Allah created food for you; never medicines. I say every word here from Quran; surely Allah had never given any gifts to man such as medicines i.e., the poisons but food to stay healthy, free of diseases; and He admonishes man to turn to Him repenting for having committed shirk, turning to doctors for cure from diseases shunning Allah. Avicenna is father of all doctors, that is all the answer to your question.
Get well, by Allah
I concur with you to a certain extent.
Have you heard of EBOO Thearpy also known as extracorporeal blood oxygenation and ozonation treatment? This THERAPY exposes blood to oxygen (O2) mixed with ozone (O3). Oxygen and ozone are the creation of ALLAH.
I know people with cancer and people who doctors said that their heart functioned less than 30% of the normal rate - they will die anytime, but survived thru this therapy with the grace of ALLAH!
http//ozoneclinic.blogspot.sg/2012/03/what-is-eboo.html
I agree with Bro mmkhan
To add a little more...
The modern technologies and inventions in medicines brings more patients to the hospitals today.
Almost every street has a multi speciality hospital and every hospital is always full and busy in printing currency.
I did not see since years that this modern technology of medicines increases the life span of any human but it decreases for sure.Since people are using these medicines they are more sick and ill. And if I see my surroundings almost every person who crosses 30-35 years of age needs to take medicines of hypertension, diabetes, thyroid, etc. Is this the modern technology and medicines gives us? Spoiling the body that has been designed by Allah so so so perfectly! Is this how Allah favors and blesses His creation? brickwall
Thank you and you too, get well, insha ALLAH
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I concur with you to a certain extent.
Do you mean you concur with me to a certain extent with regard to the two ayats 6/17 & 10/107. Will you try again and rethink, recite and rethink to ascertain these ozone, oxygen therapists are outright liars.
Have you heard of EBOO Thearpy also known as extracorporeal blood oxygenation and ozonation treatment? This THERAPY exposes blood to oxygen (O2) mixed with ozone (O3). Oxygen and ozone are the creation of ALLAH.
Have you heard of EBOO Thearpy also known as extracorporeal blood oxygenation and ozonation treatment? This THERAPY exposes blood to oxygen (O2) mixed with ozone (O3). Oxygen and ozone are the creation of ALLAH.
O2, O3 combinations do cause terrible effects on liver, brain, kidneys, hormones and heart finally. It is a wonder how people are brainwashed to believe in anything in black and white. Do those who talk about the Oxygen and Ozone know the ingredient gases that finally create O2 and O3? If the doctors know the elements that make O2 or O3 then why do not they create these elements themselves? When they know nothing of these, you may consider this EBOO therapy equivalent to VOODOO therapy.
I know people with cancer and people who doctors said that their heart functioned less than 30% of the normal rate - they will die anytime, but survived thru this therapy with the grace of ALLAH!
Will they die anytime? That too the doctors say 30% of normal rate? But he is living - how? Though the physical heart rate is 30%, the psychological quality of every beat of the heart is 100% efficiently functioning, enough to survive him at his best, is the possible inference, isn?t it? When the doctors say they will die at anytime when their God protected natural life is still surviving them strong, is it not that the opposite of the same i.e., they will bounce back to absolute normalcy anytime, shall have to be expected too?
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The modern technologies and inventions in medicines brings more patients to the hospitals today.
Almost every street has a multi speciality hospital and every hospital is always full and busy in printing currency.
I did not see since years that this modern technology of medicines increases the life span of any human but it decreases for sure.Since people are using these medicines they are more sick and ill. And if I see my surroundings almost every person who crosses 30-35 years of age needs to take medicines of hypertension, diabetes, thyroid, etc. Is this the modern technology and medicines gives us?
I can't deny what you wrote above, because maybe that is true... and I don't like this current situation as well.
But, do you brothers (drfazl, mmkhan, Hizbullah, & the others) think that we don't need any doctor at all?
I think providing the skilled medical workers for society is not a bad idea,
it's just that... today the dependency toward medical things (hospitals, doctors, pharmaceutical drugs) is very high or beyond reasonable limit, I think.
Peace.
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I can't deny what you wrote above, because maybe that is true... and I don't like this current situation as well.
But, do you brothers (drfazl, mmkhan, Hizbullah, & the others) think that we don't need any doctor at all?
I think providing the skilled medical workers for society is not a bad idea,
it's just that... today the dependency toward medical things (hospitals, doctors, pharmaceutical drugs) is very high or beyond reasonable limit, I think.
Peace.
Peace Java,
Thanks.
Red As per my personal understanding yes I do not need any doctor at all. Because my doctor is my Creator, He knows everything about me in and out unlike these so called doctors who don't even know 10% of our complex body system and still they react like god. I want to rely on my Sustainer only, inshaAllah .
Blue Yes, if we see ourselves when we get ill, we suddenly think of a doctor instead of Allah. Isn't it dangerous that we are forgetting our Sustainer when we needed Him the most? Many people never even think of turning towards their Creator when they are ill. They are ready to spend lot of their money to damage their own bodies while they suffer from illness. See how confident and satisfied these people are when they go to any doctor for any illness &
As per 1311 "...And when Allah intends for a people ill, there is no repelling it. And there is not for them besides Him any patron - ."
It seems that when Allah intends a people bad they are challenging back to Allah by saying that if you cause us illness, we have another alternative i.e.,doctors &. By doing so, they are getting into double problems 1) money and 2) more health damage. Instead it was a time to get back to their Creator and seek His forgiveness. Because Allah will not intend to cause us any bad but it comes to us because of our own deeds that we do or done earlier .
I see those who seek doctors instead of Allah when they are ill fits perfectly in 3945. I was also like that before but now I am trying hard to rely on Allah in every matter by His grace, alhamduliAllah and without His help it is not possible hail
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan -
But, do you brothers (drfazl, mmkhan, Hizbullah, & the others) think that we don't need any doctor at all?
Peace.
peace,
to me and my family and thousands of believers, no doctor needed so far. we pray and believe the Almighty will protect us from medicines and doctors in the hereafter too.
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peace,
to me and my family and thousands of believers, no doctor needed so far. we pray and believe the Almighty will protect us from medicines and doctors in the hereafter too.
Peace brother,
Thank you for sharing it with us. I also have two cases to share.
One is of my dad when he was admitted to the hospital for replacement of his femur head, doctors checked him before taking him for surgery. And asked us whether he took any medicines earlier to this. We said no, and doctors got surprised and said he was attacked by TB many times as you can see in these X-Rays. And it was cured by itself without any medication.
And the second case is very recent. One of my friends' father went to hospital as he was not feeling well and doctors checked him and said you had heart attack many times and asked if he took any medicines for that? He said I was not known to this and never took any medicine for that problem. He is a chain smoker. Doctors said you heart attacks has been cured by itself and you don't have any heart problem now. His illness was something else not related to his heart.
May Allah protect us all from all bad/illnesses and protect us from deviating from Him pr
mmKhan