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    muslims
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    Level of
    Under-
    Level of standing Level of Impact of Level of
    Shirk the Qur'an Obedience Allah's tests Believers
    (Faith)


    100% 0% 0% -> Muslim -> -100 <- Faith equal to "Love Monkey"=No faith!

    http//s22.postimg.org/zaua8dhr1/monkey.png

    Proof that there is no faith... not yet.

    The test.

    Example on the standard required to attain righteousness

    By no means shall you attain to righteousness
    until you spend (benevolently)
    out of what you love
    and whatever thing you spend
    Allah surely knows it
    (392)

    And they ask you as to what they should spend (sadaqah)
    Say What you can spare
    Thus does Allah make clear to you the communications
    that you may ponder
    (2219)

    Who can sadaqa all his property for Allah?

    Try practicing this for 7 continuous years without failed.

    Do you feel worry?

    Hard to accept?

    If yes, then there is no faith.

    It is quite simple.

    The believers
    are only <- exclusionary principle and the definition of believers
    the ones who have believed in Allah and His Messenger
    and then doubt not
    but strive with their properties
    and their lives
    in the cause of Allah
    It is those who are the truthful.
    (4915)

    Unquestionably, the allies of Allah
    there will be no fear concerning them
    nor will they grieve
    (1062-64)

    Do the people think
    that they will be left to say,
    "We believe"
    and they will not be tried?

    There are no fixed rules, and it can be the hardest things to achieve, or it can be the simplest things to achieve; which totally depends on the "Level of Shirk" within ourselves.

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      muslims
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      there is no target for becoming a Muslim.

      What really matters to Allah?

      What is Allah like to see from us?

      The struggling and going is the goal, and it doesn't matter where we start (or end), as long as we start somewhere and keep on improving our life and strengthening our faith.

      The actual requirement in the Qur'an is for human beings to learn, understand, and reform continuously for the better (istiqamah - changes from within ourselves comes first - roots of a tree).

      It is the process of understanding that matter, not the end results (comparison - how can one expect to be free from shirk within a short period of time? Impossible!). Therefore it doesn't matter or less relevant to Islam if peoples wear Hijab or not, since it is not the real issue in Islam. In fact, it is the most irrelevant issue to the society (it is personal issue - 5105).

      Indeed, the worst of living creatures in the sight of Allah
      are the deaf and dumb
      who do not use reason <- The importance of reason, and not becoming a robot (blind follower)
      (822) (trees without roots - how long can it hold straight on the ground?)

      And before it was the scripture of Moses
      to lead and as a mercy

      And this is a confirming Book
      in an Arabic tongue
      to warn those who have wronged
      and as good tidings to the doers of good <- Is this the reality of our life? Is it true? If not, why?
      Indeed, those who have said
      "Our Lord is Allah"
      and then remained on a right course
      there will be no fear concerning them
      nor will they grieve
      (4612-13)

      Do you not see
      that ships sail through the sea
      by the favor of Allah
      that He may show you of His signs?
      Indeed in that are signs
      for everyone patient <- the standard or main requirements, patient and grateful
      and grateful <- Alhamdu
      (3131)

      Indeed, Allah is with those
      who fear Him
      and those who are doers of good
      (16128)

      Those who believe
      and do righteous good deeds

      there is no sin on them
      for what they ate

      if they fear Allah
      and believe
      and do righteous good deeds

      and again
      fear Allah
      and believe

      and once again
      fear Allah
      and do good deeds

      with Ihsan (perfection)

      And Allah loves the good-doers
      (593)

      Except for those who repent
      correct themselves
      hold fast to Allah
      and are sincere in their deen for Allah <- requires understanding
      for those will be with the believers
      And Allah is going to give the believers a great reward
      (4146)

      There is not upon the weak
      or upon the ill
      or upon those who do not find anything to spend any discomfort
      when they are sincere
      to Allah and His Messenger
      There is not upon the doers of good any cause
      And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful
      (991)

      And cause not corruption upon the earth
      after its reformation
      And invoke Him in fear and aspiration
      Indeed, the mercy of Allah
      is near to the doers of good
      (756)

      Indeed, Allah does not allow to be lost the reward
      of the doers of good
      (9120)

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        wrote on last edited by
        #303

        +---- Controlled by Allah ----+
        | |
        | |
        +------- Favorite topics ------+
        | for religious people |
        | |
        Irrelevant Irrelevant
        to human to human
        (war zone) (war zone)
        | |
        | |
        | |
        | Freewill |
        | (Qur'an) |
        | (Sunnatullah) |
        | (Justly Balanced) |
        | | |
        | | |
        | Level of |
        | Alhamdu |
        | | |
        | | |
        Wrong |<----- 100% ----->| Right
        Evil | Good
        Unlucky 90% Lucky
        Ugly | Pretty
        Poor 80% Rich
        Etc. | Etc.
        ^ 70% ^
        | | |
        | 60% |
        | | |
        | 50% |
        | | |
        | 40% |
        | | |
        | 30% |
        | | |
        | 20% |
        | | |
        | 10% |
        | | |
        | 0% |
        | ^ |
        | | |
        | | |
        | (3131) |
        | patient (doers of good) |
        +------------- Grateful -------------+
        | Alhamdu |
        | ^ |
        Takes ^ Takes
        time | time
        ^ | ^
        | | |
        | Progressive |
        | | |

        • <------- Understanding ------>+
          |
          |
          Depends on the Level of Shirk
          |
          Those with "one heart" (no heart) will never commit Shirk
          Shirk or Faith requires "the right elements of" Iman and Amal to be presence
          Therefore
          Condition = Iman + Amal = Not Shirk/Faith
          Similarly = Iman + Amal = Not Shirk/Faith
          Iman + Amal = Shirk/Faith
          |
          And rely on Allah
          and Allah is sufficient for a Protector.
          Allah has not made for a man two hearts in his interior.
          (333-4)

        The struggling and going is the goal, and it doesn't matter where we start (or end), as long as we start somewhere and keep on improving our life and strengthening our faith.

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          muslims
          wrote on last edited by
          #304

          Some example on better way to give everything in the path of Allah

          By no means shall you attain to righteousness
          until you spend (benevolently)
          out of what you love

          |
          |
          Duty
          |
          |
          Realisation and Fulfillment of Deen
          |
          |
          +----------------------+---------------------------------------+
          Self Family Society
          | | |
          | | +--------------------------+
          Realization of <-+ Charitable Business/Profesionalism
          Deen and Duty (Services and improvement

          of the society)

          Limit
          |
          |
          And they ask you as to what they should spend (sadaqah)
          Say What you can spare
          Thus does Allah make clear to you the communications
          that you may ponder
          (2219)

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            muslims
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            #305

            The process of returning to Allah.

            Transition from the first realm (womb)
            (cutting umbilical cord - our path - bay'ah - to reconnect)
            ie. the importance of blessings from our parents - duty)
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            http//s9.postimg.org/4t3bkmt5r/twohearts.png

            Willingly (obedience) or unwillingly (disobedience) empty our heart to Allah

            The repentance accepted by Allah
            is only for those
            who do wrong
            in ignorance <- conditions for repentance - two conditions
            and then repent soon after
            It is those to whom Allah will turn in forgiveness
            and Allah is ever Knowing and Wise

            But repentance is not
            of those who
            do evil deeds <- conditions for repentance
            up until, when death comes to one of them, he says
            "Indeed, I have repented now,"
            or of those who die while they are disbelievers

            For them We have prepared a painful punishment
            (417-1

            Transition from the first realm (womb)
            (cutting umbilical cord - our path - bay'ah - to reconnect)
            ie. the importance of blessings from our parents - duty)

            And your Lord has commanded
            that you shall not serve (any) but Him

            and goodness to your parents
            If either or both of them reach old age with you
            say not to them "Ugh"
            nor chide them
            and speak to them a generous word
            (1723)

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              muslims
              wrote on last edited by
              #306

              What is reward and sin?

              tools to enter paradise and avoiding hell?

              It is obvious that we cannot avoid sin
              It is the unavoidable things in life..
              No matter how good we are ... how hard we try..
              We will always committing sins and shirk (eg. refer here)

              sin = dust

              http//s16.postimg.org/r0fyr5g51/dusty.png

              However, it is always easier to standing up for good deeds
              It is easier to become a righteous person
              It is something that are accomplishable

              reward = soap

              http//s18.postimg.org/c03hpnyw9/soap.png

              Therefore, the actual system (or the awwaliyah) of the Deen of Islam is not really about avoiding sin

              BUT it is more about becoming a righteous person

              It is about benefiting humanity and kindness to His creation

              Becoming humble and understand human beings and other living creatures...

              It is Allah who will purifies us from our sin and shirk, no one can <- main reason why we need Allah (al-Fatihah)
              and.. based on our good deeds and level of righteousness

              Therefore, our real objectives are becoming a righteous person, while striving hard and praying to Allah for forgiveness.

              Praying to Allah to show us the right path, and purify us from sins and shirk (since we can never avoids shirk).

              Prostrate to Adam!

              The relation between reward and sin .. which one is dominant in ourselves?

              benefiting humanity, or on the issue of "right and wrong in religion"?

              http//i40.tinypic.com/28slzs0.png

              avoiding sin = right/wrong = fire element

              ?Stupidity is the same as evil if you judge by the results.? (refer to al-Anfal22)

              It is wonderful how much time good people spend fighting the devil
              If they would only expend the same amount of energy loving their fellow men
              the devil would die in his own tracks of ennui

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                #307

                Saved from sin and shirk
                (automatic processing of internal self)
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                Auliya
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                True Believer
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                Mukmeen
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                Muslim
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                Allah Purifies Us
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                Reward
                (soap)
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                Righteous Person
                (main focus)
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                Good Deeds
                (Benefiting Self and Humanity)
                Making enemies and divisions (sectarianism, cf. Towards Human Unity)
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                Sin
                (dust)

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                  #308

                  Quote from muslims on September 13, 2013, 051513 pm

                  Example on the standard required to attain righteousness

                  By no means shall you attain to righteousness
                  until you spend (benevolently)
                  out of what you love
                  and whatever thing you spend
                  Allah surely knows it
                  (392)

                  And they ask you as to what they should spend (sadaqah)
                  Say What you can spare
                  Thus does Allah make clear to you the communications
                  that you may ponder
                  (2219)

                  What is Sadaqah?
                  Is it physical material?
                  Or being faithfully Truthful for the purpose of Allah?

                  Peace

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                    #309

                    Quote from muslims on September 13, 2013, 051513 pm

                    What is Sadaqah?
                    Is it physical material?
                    Or being faithfully Truthful for the purpose of Allah?

                    Peace

                    Salam

                    As per my current understanding it is something related to what we spend on the path of Allah.

                    http//corpus.quran.com/wordimage?id=7712
                    (392)
                    (you spend)

                    http//corpus.quran.com/wordimage?id=4191
                    (2219)
                    (they (should) spend)

                    You can enlighten us with your understanding or perspectives.

                    http//corpus.quran.com/wordimage?id=1610
                    (29417)
                    (truthful)

                    root

                    to be truthful, true, sincere, speak the truth, establish or confirm the truth of what another has said, verify, keep faith, observe a promise faithfully, fulfill, speak veraciously, hold anyone as trustworthy. sadaqa fi al-qitaali - to fight gallantly. tsaddaqa - to give alms. sidqun - truth, veracity, sincerity, soundness, excellence in a variety of different objects, salubrious and agreeable, favourable entrance, praise. saadiqun - one who is true and sincere, one who speaks the truth. saadiqah - perfect woman. sadaqat (pl. saduqaat) - dowry. siddiiq - person who is trustworthy, sincere. saddaqa - to confirm, verify, fulfil. asdaqu - more true.

                    Sadaga (prf 3rd. p.m. sing.) He spoke the truth, declared the truth.
                    Sadagat (prf 3rd. p. f. sing.) She spoke the truth.
                    Sadaquu (prf. 3rd. p.m. plu.) They told truth, proved truthful.
                    Sadaqta (prf 2nd. m. sing.) Thou told the truth.
                    Sadaqna (prf. 1st. P. plu.) We fulfilled.
                    Saddaqa (prf 3rd. p.m. sing. II) Verified; Judged correctly; Accepted the truth; Believed; Proved true.
                    Saddaqat (prf. 3rd. p. f. sing. II) She testified, declared her faith in.
                    Saddaqta (prf. 2nd, p.m. sing. II.) Thou fulfilled.
                    Yusaddiqu (imp. 3rd. p.m. sing. II.) He confirms; Bears (me) out.
                    Yusaddiquuna (imp. 3rd. p.m.plu. II) They testify, accept the truth.
                    Tusaddiquuna (imp. 2nd. p.m. plu. II.) You realize the reality of, admit the truth.
                    Tasaddaga (prf. 3rd. p.m.sing. V.) He chooses to forego (and gave as charity).
                    Tasaddaquu (imp. 3rd. p.m. plu. V. acc.) You choose to fore go (and give as charity).
                    Tasaddaq (prt. m. sing. V) Be charitable, show us charity.
                    Yassaddaquu (imp. 3rd. p.m. plu. V. acc.) They forego, remit as a charity.
                    Assaddaga (imp. 1st. P. sing. V. ace.) I would have given alms.
                    Nassaddaqanna (imp. 1st. p. plu. V.) We will surely give alms.
                    Sidqun/ Sidqan (acc./n.) Truthfulness.
                    Saadiqun/Saadiqan (acc./ act. plc. n. sing.) True; Truth-teller; Truthful.
                    Saadiquun/Saadiqiin (acc./ ap-der. m. plu.) Truthful ones.
                    Saadigdtu (ap-derf plu.) Truthful women.
                    Sadagatin/Sadagatan (acc./gen. n.) Charity; Alms.
                    Sadaqaat (n. plu.) Charities; Alms.
                    Saduqaat (n. plu. of Saduqatun) Dowries.
                    Sadiiqun (act. 2nd. pic. m. sing.) Friend.
                    Asdaqu (m. sing, elative.) More truthful than.
                    Siddiqun (m, sing. ints.) Man of truth and veracity.
                    Siddiigatun (f sing. ints.) Woman of high truthful and veracity.
                    Siddiiquna/Siddiiqiina (gen./ m. plu. ints.) Truthful ones.
                    Musaddiqun / Musaddiqan (acc./ ap-der. m. sing. II.) ' Fulfilling; Confirming one.
                    Musaddiqiin (ap-der, m. sing. II. gen.) Confirming one.
                    Mutasaddiqiina (ap-der. m. plu. acc. gen. V.) Alms givers; Charitable ones.
                    Musaddiqina (ap-der m. plu. acc. V ) Alms-givers; Charitable ones.
                    Mutasaddiqaat (ap-der. f. plu. V.) Almsgiver women.
                    Musaddiqaat (ap-der. f. plu. V.) Almsgiver women.
                    Tasdiiqun (v. n.) Confirmation.

                    sadaqa vb. (1)
                    perf. act. 2177, 395, 3152, 5113, 943, 1226, 219, 2727, 293, 3322, 3323, 3652, 3974, 4721, 4827
                    n.vb. 5119, 6115, 102, 1093, 1780, 1780, 1950, 2684, 338, 3324, 3932, 3933, 4616, 5455
                    pcple. act. 223, 231, 294, 2111, 317, 393, 3168, 3183, 487, 4122, 5119, 640, 6143, 6146, 770, 7106, 7194, 9119, 1038, 1048, 1113, 1132, 1217, 1227, 1251, 1282, 157, 1564, 1954, 2138, 246, 249, 2631, 26154, 26187, 2749, 2764, 2771, 2849, 2929, 3228, 338, 3324, 3335, 3335, 3429, 3648, 37157, 4028, 4436, 4525, 464, 4622, 4915, 4917, 515, 5234, 5687, 598, 626, 6725, 6841

                    sadaqah n.f. 2196, 2263, 2264, 2271, 2276, 4114, 958, 960, 979, 9103, 9104, 5812, 5813

                    sadiq n.m. 2461, 26101

                    saduqat n.f. (pl. of saduqah) 44

                    siddiq n.m. 469, 575, 1246, 1941, 1956, 5719

                    saddaqa vb. (2)
                    perf. act. 3420, 3737, 37105, 3933, 6612, 7531, 926
                    impf. act. 2834, 5657, 7026
                    n.vb. 1037, 12111
                    pcple. act. 241, 289, 291, 297, 2101, 33, 339, 350, 381, 447, 546, 546, 548, 692, 3531, 3752, 4612, 4630, 616

                    tasaddaqa vb. (5)
                    perf. act. 2280, 545
                    impf. act. 492, 975
                    impv. 6310, 1288
                    pcple. act. 1288, 3335, 3335, 5718, 5718

                    LL, V4, p 390, 391, 392, 393

                    Peace.

                    p/s I doubt swam or fasting is understand correctly as per the true meaning of the Qur'an, BUT I like it!! )

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                      Salam

                      As per my current understanding it is something related to what we spend on the path of Allah.

                      http//corpus.quran.com/wordimage?id=7712
                      (392)
                      (you spend)

                      http//corpus.quran.com/wordimage?id=4191
                      (2219)
                      (they (should) spend)

                      You can enlighten us with your understanding or perspectives.

                      http//corpus.quran.com/wordimage?id=1610
                      (29417)
                      (truthful)

                      Peace,

                      Being truthful is not giving away to the poor some physical material say, money or other worldly things of pleasure. Before helping the poor with materials of this world, it is pertinent to know how to identify as to towards who Allah directs our charitable lives to turn to.

                      Allah pins down the wrong doers and the transgressors with disease and poverty in order that they humble themselves before God and obey diligently His ordainment. The obedience that a believer shall truthfully observe and abide by is, to spend in the cause of Allah in richness and in poverty from whatever they possess when a righteous situation demands. Generally people will get angry at even normal household expenditures while in financial straitness; that is the testing point from Allah to see how they behave and how much they believe in Him that they would be justly recompensed in accordance with their patience; and He sees how much they remember the promise of Allah that for every good deed or endurance in the path of righteousness they would be endowed with a reward ten times more; and that it would be doubled and that it would grow in multiples thereof.

                      Allah loves those who restrain their anger during the times of constraints because of their belief in the truth and loves those who pardon the people. They spend towards righteousness generously from their limited allowance without miserliness, only to please Allah. And Allah too is pleased with such of them and for them is His Grace and Providence. They shall neither worry nor grieve. Towards this end each one shall strive truthfully spending his life and stand as a model of inspiration unto others, to establish the Truth.

                      3134 Who spend in the cause of Allah during ease and hardship and who restrain anger and who pardon the people - and Allah loves the doers of good.

                      However Allah might show as proof to the people of the community, the steadfastness of the very truthful and enduring believers by testing them under His direct supervision. For others their plight might seem as a mighty and a grave situation indeed, but it is Him who made their situation seemed so easy in their minds until He made them tide over it, rewarding them a grand lasting victory. Allah is powerful over all things. Allah would make their whole life a charitable sign to others that the promise of Allah is true they would neither suffer worry nor would they grieve over the losses. To make so is easy for Allah.

                      And the Living Sign of Allah's grace for others is the life of them who find it difficult to be liberal in the cause of Allah, yet unable to move about freely in the land. An ignorant one would think them self-sufficient because of their restraint, but you will know them by their sign. They do not ask people persistently. And whatever you spend of good - indeed, Allah is Knowing of it. 2273

                      Spending our lives in the cause of Allah, each one proving a word from Him in this world to help believe the poor ignorant people, is the truthful poor due upon us, in this life.

                      salam
                      fazl

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                        Being truthful is not giving away to the poor some physical material say, money or other worldly things of pleasure. Before helping the poor with materials of this world, it is pertinent to know how to identify as to towards who Allah directs our charitable lives to turn to.

                        The obedience that a believer shall truthfully observe and abide by is, to spend in the cause of Allah in richness and in poverty from whatever they possess when a righteous situation demands.

                        Spending our lives in the cause of Allah, each one proving a word from Him in this world to help believe the poor ignorant people, is the truthful poor due upon us, in this life.

                        Salam

                        To a certain extent, the above conclusions might have some truth in it, but your explanation is deviating and does not explain the word "sadaqah" in the context of Sura (392) and (2219); i.e. our discussion.

                        Further, being "truthful" is more about doing from what you understand about life and its relation to the Qur'an. There is no target for becoming a True Muslim, and there is no need for us to copy what other peoples are doing or follow some motivational books without understanding and experiencing its true meaning (including the Qur'an - refer to 625 and 5577-79).

                        The struggling and going is the goal, and it doesn't matter where we start (or end), as long as we start somewhere and keep on improving our life and strengthening our faith.

                        How a child can grow into an adult within 1 year?

                        How to grow into timber trees from seeds within 24 hours?

                        It is not the Sunnatullah and there is no target for becoming a Muslim.

                        Hijab is not the actual requirement in the Qur'an.

                        The actual requirement in the Qur'an is for human beings to learn, understand, and reform continuously for the better (istiqamah - changes from within ourselves comes first - roots of a tree).

                        It is the process of understanding that matter, not the end results (comparison - how can one expect to be free from shirk within a short period of time? Impossible!).

                        Life and our understanding is a process, and so as how we should live "our lives in the cause of Allah".

                        It is a journey and there is "truthfulness" in every stage and situation of our life

                        .. as long we keep on improving and strengthening our faith according to the Qur'an.

                        Age Concept of Right/Wrong

                        70 Being absolutely right for the level of 70 years old person "
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                        60 Being absolutely right for the level of 60 years old person "
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                        50 Being absolutely right for the level of 50 years old person "
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                        40 Being absolutely right for the level of 40 years old person "
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                        30 Being absolutely right for the level of 30 years old person "
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                        20 Being absolutely right for the level of 20 years old person "
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                        1 Being absolutely right for the level of 1 year old baby <-- limited by our senses, abilities etc.

                        Similarly, this can be applied to certain life conditions, psychological backgrounds, personal traits, ethnic, educational backgrounds, and etc. These are all variables, and the overall consequences are the Sunnatullah, Absolute Justice.

                        Therefore, does it really matter of being right or wrong?

                        Does the above pattern of being right or wrong really matters to Allah?

                        What about those who live 1,000 years ago, where there is no proper educational system, or where people unable to read the Qur'an? Can they survive and become a real Muslim? Can we apply the same concept of right or wrong?

                        What is the actual standard to become a Muslim?

                        There are no fixed rules, and it can be the hardest things to achieve, or it can be the simplest things to achieve; which totally depends on the "Level of Shirk" within ourselves.

                        Peace

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                          Muslims,
                          Peace

                          392
                          By no means shall you attain righteousness unless you give of that which you love; and whatever you give, of a truth Allah knows it well.

                          Note We love our parents, children, brothers, wives, relatives, the wealth, the business and our houses. All these comprise our lives. And we love our lives much dearer than any other thing we possess. The life of people in this world is "But play and amusement, pomp and mutual boasting and multiplying among yourselves, riches and children". Love not all these but keep in your heart high above them all Allah, His Messengers, and your life in the cause of righteousness.

                          Sadaqa is wishing good. It is wishing righteousness, in the Name of Allah, the Guide. Thus by His grace you are elevated to a degree as a sign to others. And this is living the truthful life as ordained by Allah.

                          1. We will deal next after we are finished with this. And all the rest of your post shall have to be dealt with later.

                          Peace

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                            392
                            By no means shall you attain righteousness unless you give of that which you love; and whatever you give, of a truth Allah knows it well.

                            Note We love our parents, children, brothers, wives, relatives, the wealth, the business and our houses. All these comprise our lives. And we love our lives much dearer than any other thing we possess. The life of people in this world is "But play and amusement, pomp and mutual boasting and multiplying among yourselves, riches and children". Love not all these but keep in your heart high above them all Allah, His Messengers, and your life in the cause of righteousness.

                            Sadaqa is wishing good. It is wishing righteousness, in the Name of Allah, the Guide. Thus by His grace you are elevated to a degree as a sign to others. And this is living the truthful life as ordained by Allah.

                            Salam

                            Below is the context of that ayat, and how Allah relates "gold", "ransom" and "spend" in the way of Allah; ie. love of gold (wealth) during our life and after death.

                            Indeed, those who disbelieve and die while they are disbelievers
                            never would the capacity of the earth in gold
                            be accepted from one of them
                            if he would ransom himself with it
                            For those there will be a painful punishment
                            and they will have no helpers
                            Never will you attain the good
                            until you spend
                            from that which you love
                            And whatever you spend
                            indeed, Allah is Knowing of it
                            (391-92)

                            I believe the ayat is explaining the "love of wealth (money - gold, coin, paper money etc)". Therefore, how can it be interpreted to give "our parents, children, brothers, wives, relatives" in the way of Allah. They have their own free wills, and are responsible and accountable for themselves to Allah. We are not manager over them.

                            O you who have believed
                            upon you is yourselves
                            Those who have gone astray will not harm you when you have been guided
                            To Allah is you return all together
                            then He will inform you of what you used to do
                            (5105)

                            (also refer to 4033)

                            Peace.

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                              Salam

                              Below is the context of that ayat, and how Allah relates "gold" hypno, "ransom" and "spend" in the way of Allah; ie. love of gold (wealth) during our life and after death.

                              Indeed, those who disbelieve and die while they are disbelievers
                              never would the capacity of the earth in gold
                              be accepted from one of them
                              if he would ransom himself with it
                              For those there will be a painful punishment
                              and they will have no helpers
                              Never will you attain the good
                              until you spend
                              from that which you love
                              And whatever you spend
                              indeed, Allah is Knowing of it
                              (391-92)

                              I believe the ayat is explaining the "love of wealth (money - gold, coin, paper money etc)". Therefore, how can it be interpreted to give "our parents, children, brothers, wives, relatives" in the way of Allah. They have their own free wills, and are responsible and accountable for themselves to Allah. We are not manager over them.

                              O you who have believed
                              upon you is yourselves
                              Those who have gone astray will not harm you when you have been guided
                              To Allah is you return all together
                              then He will inform you of what you used to do
                              (5105)

                              (also refer to 4033)

                              Peace

                              Salam

                              Firstly, with reference to the understanding of the contextual application of Quran, we need to remember and know the following

                              • Quran's ayats are not contradictory to each other.

                              • Every ayat is supportive of and contributory to any other ayat any where in Quran.

                              • Each ayat is explanatory to all times and all the events and all the occurrences of the past, present and future.

                              • Any ayat should clarify to each man as to what in truth is happening around him with reference to that which is happening around him; and with reference to his individual life.

                              • Accordingly, if Quran is a guidance to each individual from the beginning to the end of the world; and from birth to the death of each person, the context of any ayat is closely connected to each one's individualistic, and constantly changing situation of his life at any point of time; and his grade and degree of life he is living, from the heavens down to the earth.

                              I believe the ayat is explaining the "love of wealth (money - gold, coin, paper money etc)". Therefore, how can it be interpreted to give "our parents, children, brothers, wives, relatives" in the way of Allah. They have their own free wills, and are responsible and accountable for themselves to Allah. We are not manager over them.

                              'Give' shall not mean to you giving away in ransom, but put them all and you in His Trust if your belief is, "Allah is the Only Guide". Allah loves those who put their trust in Him. When Allah loves you, you are not at all deprived of His Abundance. Such showing the Truthful Guidance to the people around by being ourselves model first, is the spending of our life, our entire life in charity.

                              Peace.

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                                Salam

                                Firstly, with reference to the understanding of the contextual application of Quran, we need to remember and know the following

                                • Quran's ayats are not contradictory to each other.

                                • Every ayat is supportive of and contributory to any other ayat any where in Quran.

                                • Each ayat is explanatory to all times and all the events and all the occurrences of the past, present and future.

                                • Any ayat should clarify to each man as to what in truth is happening around him with reference to that which is happening around him; and with reference to his individual life.

                                • Accordingly, if Quran is a guidance to each individual from the beginning to the end of the world; and from birth to the death of each person, the context of any ayat is closely connected to each one's individualistic, and constantly changing situation of his life at any point of time; and his grade and degree of life he is living, from the heavens down to the earth.

                                'Give' shall not mean to you giving away in ransom, but put them all and you in His Trust if your belief is, "Allah is the Only Guide". Allah loves those who put their trust in Him. When Allah loves you, you are not at all deprived of His Abundance. Such showing the Truthful Guidance to the people around by being ourselves model first, is the spending of our life, our entire life in charity.

                                Peace.

                                RED is mine

                                Salam

                                I am discussing about Sura (391-92) and how Allah relates the word "spend" with "gold" and "love" (of wealth). I am not discussing about our entire "life" or the whole meaning of the Qur'an. The whole meaning of the Qur'an does not entirely depends on ayat (391-92) alone. Therefore we leave what is the meaning of the entire Qur'an and remain focuses on our discussion. As we can see, ayat (91) is the direct support for the meaning of ayat (92) and from these two ayats, the context "spend" and "love" is related to "gold". It is not related to "our parents, children, brothers, wives, relatives".

                                Therefore...

                                Therefore, how can it be interpreted to give "our parents, children, brothers, wives, relatives" in the way of Allah. They have their own free wills, and are responsible and accountable for themselves to Allah. We are not manager over them.

                                the context of any ayat is closely connected to each one's individualistic, and constantly changing situation of his life at any point of time; and his grade and degree of life he is living, from the heavens down to the earth.

                                There is a difference between "the context of the ayat" (Qur'anic context - words of Allah) and "what you may understood by it" (your context - your philosophy). This is what happened in the past, where the ulama are imposing their own context to the Qur'an, as it is the Qur'an (claiming absolute truth). Therefore, I believe your methodology or concept of interpretation that "the context of any ayat is closely connected to each one's individualistic" are contradicting the following ayats. It will cause deviation and division in the society since many peoples have many different interpretations of the Qur'an, according to their own desires (4523)(2543).

                                So direct your face toward the deen, inclining to truth
                                the fitrah of Allah upon which He has created people
                                No change should there be in the creation of Allah (deen)
                                That is the correct deen
                                but most of the people do not know
                                (3030)

                                O you who have believed
                                DO NOT ask about things which
                                if they are shown to you
                                will distress you
                                But if you ask about them while the Qur'an is being revealed
                                they will be shown to you
                                Allah has pardoned that which is past
                                and Allah is Forgiving and Forbearing
                                (5101)

                                And indeed, there is among them a party
                                who alter the Scripture
                                with their tongues
                                so you may think it is from the Scripture
                                but it is not from the Scripture
                                And they say, "This is from Allah ,"
                                but it is not from Allah
                                And they speak untruth about Allah while they know
                                (378)

                                Peace

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                                  Salam

                                  Firstly, with reference to the understanding of the contextual application of Quran, we need to remember and know the following

                                  • Quran's ayats are not contradictory to each other.

                                  • Every ayat is supportive of and contributory to any other ayat any where in Quran.

                                  • Each ayat is explanatory to all times and all the events and all the occurrences of the past, present and future.

                                  • Any ayat should clarify to each man as to what in truth is happening around him with reference to that which is happening around him; and with reference to his individual life.

                                  • Accordingly, if Quran is a guidance to each individual from the beginning to the end of the world;and from birth to the death of each person, the context of any ayat is closely connected to each one's individualistic, and constantly changing situation of his life at any point of time;and his grade and degree of life he is living, from the heavens down to the earth.

                                  Peace.

                                  Peace DrFazl

                                  Your Quote reminds me of

                                  2106
                                  Whatever communications We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring one better than it or like it. Do you not know that Allah has power over all things?

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                                    Peace

                                    It is true, that "Allah has power over all things", but we dont... )

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                                      Peace

                                      We don't but "Allah has power over all things"

                                      876
                                      By degrees WE shall teach Quran, so that you may not forget.

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                                        Salam

                                        I am discussing about Sura (391-92) and how Allah relates the word "spend" with "gold" and "love" (of wealth). I am not discussing about our entire "life" or the whole meaning of the Qur'an. Ayat (91) is the direct support for the meaning of ayat (92) and from these two ayats, the context "spend" and "love" is related to "gold". It is not related to "our parents, children, brothers, wives, relatives".

                                        Salam,

                                        Please go further up to ayat 385 from where the context to 391 & 92 starts. To brief the context

                                        1. If any one who wish a life against peaceful existence of and as one nation, his whole life is lost till he meets his grievous end.

                                        2. They accept the Signs of Allah as the Truth; but after having pronounced the same with a clear conscience publicly, they rejected it. They had lost their way for Allah had abandoned them.

                                        3. Worse still is, upon them is the curse of Allah, Malayika and the believers as righteous recompense because of their public rejection and spoiling a society blocking His path as a whole; this is because mostly the rejecters were a people who are rich in wealth and in people's count who side with them in all their wrong doings.

                                        4. Hell bound are they forever. They march ahead towards such destiny. Their torment will not be eased a bit; nor shall they be given a respite. This is a clear sign for their followers.

                                        5. Allah forgives those followers if they repent and reform; and restrains from going after the wealth and gold and all the man invented surpluses. The proud life of people in this world is "But play and amusement, pomp and mutual boasting and multiplying among yourselves, riches and children". Hate these but keep in your heart high above them all, to follow Allah, His messengers, and your life in the cause of righteousness. 5720.

                                        6. But if they turn away not heeding, and exceeded in arrogance, crossing the limits of Allah's tolerance their seeking forgiveness will never be accepted when the promised torment comes to pass. Their alms giving, however great it may be in their reckoning, will not be accepted; no bargains on that fateful Hour; no friends will be there for their help; nor would they find any as protectors.

                                        So many ayats precede as context to 392. And for each to know the signs of each of the ayats, Allah alone is there to help on time when each of you shall reach the individualised contextual situation yourself on the prescribed Hour so that you would live out and love the glory of such life you are ushered into by the Almighty Allah. Experiencing the ayat's glad tidings under the supervision of Allah is the best of all signs.

                                        There is a difference between "the context of the ayat" (Qur'anic context - words of Allah) and "what you may understood by it" (your context - your philosophy). This is what happened in the past, where the ulama are imposing their own context to the Qur'an. Therefore, I believe your methodology or concept of interpretation contradict the following ayats. It will cause deviation and division in the society since many peoples have many different interpretations of the Qur'an, according to what they wishes (4523)(2543).

                                        Quranic context is your individual situation at any point in your lifetime. Every ayat and every word of the same ayat has 8 billion contexts if presently there is 8 billion population. And the situations in each person change by the moment and accordingly the meanings of the same ayat changes and the guidance would be perfect in the Name of Allah, the only Guide, at that moment of time if only one looks up to Him Alone without committing association.

                                        But for the dynamic Truth, I have no philosophy of this mundane world for this reason; and for the same reason I have no following or registered followers, for each has to become discreet individuals if one has to be guided solely by Allah. I do not belong to the wretched ulema category nor do I force my context. For if I do so, I am going against the Truth, that each individual's context is very different to that of another. Unless one becomes individual thinker, thus freeing himself of the shirk of obtaining thought from others, he would be deprived of the guidance from the only Allah for his Awareness of Righteousness, he is at a great loss. Every group will follow to hell with their leaders. I am not a leader but one who evolves by totally surrendering to His call and living with and as a sign from Allah. This shall be the life of one and all.

                                        This way of adherence to Quran shall never cause division or deviation from the path of Allah. I have no concept, methodology or philosophy to confuse the people except saying what I am living through. Each one shall be endowed with inspiration to righteousness by the One Inspiring Guide, well suited for the Will of Allah he possesses in his own Soul as his deep Wish.

                                        Peace.

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                                          Please go further up to ayat 385 from where the context to 391 & 92 starts.

                                          Salam

                                          Ayat 385 is the continuance of the story for the ayat 391-92. The beginning of the story starts from ayat 74. There is nothing in the whole ayat that support your argument or explain or related to "our parents, children, brothers, wives, relatives". The relevance ayat to explain 91 and 92 are as follows

                                          And among the People of the Scripture is he who
                                          if you entrust him with a great amount
                                          he will return it to you
                                          And among them is he who
                                          if you entrust him with a silver coin
                                          he will not return it to you
                                          unless you are constantly standing over him
                                          That is because they say
                                          "There is no blame upon us concerning the unlearned"
                                          And they speak untruth about Allah while they know
                                          (375)
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                                          Indeed, those who exchange the covenant of Allah and their oaths
                                          for a small price
                                          will have no share in the Hereafter
                                          and Allah will not speak to them
                                          or look at them on the Day of Resurrection
                                          nor will He purify them
                                          and they will have a painful punishment
                                          (377)
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                                          Indeed, those who disbelieve and die
                                          while they are disbelievers
                                          never would
                                          the capacity of the earth in gold
                                          be accepted from one of them
                                          if he would ransom himself with it
                                          For those there will be a painful punishment
                                          and they will have no helpers.
                                          (391)
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                                          Never will you attain the good
                                          until you spend
                                          from that which you love
                                          And whatever you spend
                                          indeed, Allah is Knowing of it
                                          (392)

                                          As you can see, there is nothing in the whole ayats that explain or related to giving "our parents, children, brothers, wives, relatives" in the way of Allah. The words "great amount ", "a silver coin", "for a small price", "the capacity of the earth in gold", "ransom", "spend", and "love" (of wealth) are the ayats that directly support the meaning of (391). It is explaining or something related to the "love of wealth", and not about scarifying or giving "our parents, children, brothers, wives, relatives" in the way of Allah. I believe you are making the conclusion based on what you believe and desire, not based on what the context of the ayats are explaining, and in the same section.. Allah said ..

                                          And indeed, there is among them a party
                                          who alter the Scripture
                                          with their tongues
                                          so you may think it is from the Scripture
                                          but it is not from the Scripture
                                          And they say, "This is from Allah ,"
                                          but it is not from Allah
                                          And they speak untruth about Allah while they know
                                          (37

                                          Therefore...

                                          I believe the ayat is explaining the "love of wealth (money - gold, coin, paper money etc)". Therefore, how can it be interpreted to give "our parents, children, brothers, wives, relatives" in the way of Allah. They have their own free wills, and are responsible and accountable for themselves to Allah. We are not manager over them.

                                          Secondly...

                                          Quranic context is your individual situation at any point in your lifetime. Every ayat and every word of the same ayat has 8 billion contexts if presently there is 8 billion population. And the situations in each person change by the moment and accordingly the meanings of the same ayat changes and the guidance would be perfect in the Name of Allah, the only Guide, at that moment of time if only one looks up to Him Alone without committing association.

                                          The consequences of your conclusion.. .the Qur'an follow human beings, and not we follow the Qur'an.. and as I said...

                                          Therefore, I believe your methodology or concept of interpretation that "the context of any ayat is closely connected to each one's individualistic" are contradicting the following ayats. It will cause deviation and division in the society since many peoples have many different interpretations of the Qur'an, according to their own desires (4523)(2543).

                                          and unless you have an ayat from the Qur'an to support your conclusion, I have nothing else to say on your methodology. It is simply illogical.

                                          Peace.

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