Define Your Definition For Clarification Without Confusion: Qur'aan Alone = = ?
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O Umari who denies the law of Allah that Mutta is not found in the Quran!
Quran has 7 different recitation and in the recitation of Abi bin Kaab, Mutta is clearly mentioned by Umari scholars!
Can you give me the proof from Qur'an verse (straightly from the Qur'an) instead of quoting gibberish that talks nonsense?
Mutaa is just another form of prostitution.
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Sahih International
And married women except those your right hands possess. the decree of Allah upon you. And lawful to you are beyond these, that you seek them with your property, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse. So for whatever you enjoy from them, give them their due compensation as an obligation. And there is no blame upon you for what you mutually agree to beyond the obligation. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise.
In the recitation of Ubay bin Ka`ab, Ibn Abbas and Saeed bin Jubayr i.e ila ajal al Musama (for a prescribed period) confirms this.
Btw, we prefer the recitation of Ubay bin Ka'ab
Muhammad b. Yahya from Ahmad b. Muhammad from
Ali b. al-Hakam fromAbdullah b. Farqad and al-Mualla b. Khunays. They said We were with AbuAbdillah and with us was Rabia ar-Ra?y. So we mentioned the virtue of the Quran and AbuAbdillah said If Ibn Masud did not recite upon our recitation then he was astray. So Rabia said Astray? So he said Yes, astray. Then Abu `Abdillah said As to us, then we recite upon the recitation of Ubayy.Usul Kafi, Vol. 2, p. 634
more evidence from our infallible Imam, Imam Ja'far Al-Sadiq (as) which conforms with the Mushaf of Ubay bin Ka'ab
al-Kafi vol.5 pg.449
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?Ali bin Ibrahim from his father from ibn abi ?Umayr from abu ?Abdullah (as) that he said It has been revealed ?So for whatever you enjoy from them, to an appointed time, give them their due compensation as an obligation.?I have already proven to you through the recitation of Ubay bin Ka'ab, you Umari filth, you call the laws of Allah prostitution?
So you are more knowledgeable than Ameer ul Mumineen (as) and Ibn Abbas (ra)?
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Sahih International
And married women except those your right hands possess. the decree of Allah upon you. And lawful to you are beyond these, that you seek them with your property, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse. So for whatever you enjoy from them, give them their due compensation as an obligation. And there is no blame upon you for what you mutually agree to beyond the obligation. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise.
This verse has nothing to do with the infamous mutaa / temporary marriage.
This verse talks about 1. Prohibition of marrying married women, 2. Remain chastity and NOT illegal sex. , 3. Dowry, 4. Mutual agreement of the obligation.In the recitation of Ubay bin Ka`ab, Ibn Abbas and Saeed bin Jubayr i.e ila ajal al Musama (for a prescribed period) confirms this.
Btw, we prefer the recitation of Ubay bin Ka'ab
Muhammad b. Yahya from Ahmad b. Muhammad from
Ali b. al-Hakam fromAbdullah b. Farqad and al-Mualla b. Khunays. They said We were with AbuAbdillah and with us was Rabia ar-Ra?y. So we mentioned the virtue of the Quran and AbuAbdillah said If Ibn Masud did not recite upon our recitation then he was astray. So Rabia said Astray? So he said Yes, astray. Then Abu `Abdillah said As to us, then we recite upon the recitation of Ubayy.Usul Kafi, Vol. 2, p. 634
more evidence from our infallible Imam, Imam Ja'far Al-Sadiq (as) which conforms with the Mushaf of Ubay bin Ka'ab
al-Kafi vol.5 pg.449
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?Ali bin Ibrahim from his father from ibn abi ?Umayr from abu ?Abdullah (as) that he said It has been revealed ?So for whatever you enjoy from them, to an appointed time, give them their due compensation as an obligation.?Even the Shia apocryphal hadith texts that you just posted don't talk about mutaa marriage.
I have already proven to you through the recitation of Ubay bin Ka'ab, you Umari filth, you call the laws of Allah prostitution?
The Qur'an verse and the Shia apocryphal texts that you presented talk nothing about mutaa. Nice try. And nice name-calling. Maybe I should report this post to moderator for calling me a filth.
I am not a hardcore fan of Umar. Lol. I am not a Sunni.
Liking this or that leader has nothing to do with Faith.
Mutaa is not God's law. It is a man-made innovation done by Shia.So you are more knowledgeable than Ameer ul Mumineen (as) and Ibn Abbas (ra)?
You made argumentum ad auctoritatem (appeal to the authority), a type of argument fallacy.
Knowledge, rationality and being right are three different things.
Vatican Popes also have many knowledge about Jesus. Should I call them right just because they are knowledgeable? nopeYou are committing SHIRK by saying that there are infallible imams.
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Are you as blind as a bat?
That narration from Al-Kafi talks about Mut'ah marriage, the marriage until the appointed time.
It was affirmed by many Sahaba and Ahlul Bayt that it is in the Quran. I have proven to you from the Mushaf of Ubay bin Kaab which i have just shown to you.
Only Umar said Quran is sufficient for us.
Your methodology is Sunni..hahaha.
The Asbab ul Nuzul for that verse was for Temporary marriage. The Mushaf of Ubay bin Kaab gives a clearer picture by the addition of the term till the appointed time.
al-Kafi vol.5 pg.449
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?Ali bin Ibrahim from his father from ibn abi ?Umayr from abu ?Abdullah (as) that he said It has been revealed ?So for whatever you enjoy from them, to an appointed time, give them their due compensation as an obligation.? -
You are committing SHIRK by saying that there are infallible imams.
You and your Wahabi brethren are obsessed with the term "Shirk" and you take each and every verse of the Quran out of context.
The Quran has proclaimed that our Master Abul Qasim (sawa), Syeda Al Nisa Fatima Al-Zahra (as), Ameer ul Mumineen (as), Imam Sibt Al-Akbar Hassan (as) and Imam Syed Al-Shuhada Hussayn (as) were purified Sura 3333, Do you dispute this?
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Salaam,
Only God is infallible. End of story. No more to discuss about that.
The Imams were no supermen. Perhaps righteous men, but not infallible.
God bless you
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Are you as blind as a bat?
That narration from Al-Kafi talks about Mut'ah marriage, the marriage until the appointed time.
It was affirmed by many Sahaba and Ahlul Bayt that it is in the Quran. I have proven to you from the Mushaf of Ubay bin Kaab which i have just shown to you.
Only Umar said Quran is sufficient for us.
Your methodology is Sunni..hahaha.
The Asbab ul Nuzul for that verse was for Temporary marriage. The Mushaf of Ubay bin Kaab gives a clearer picture by the addition of the term till the appointed time.
al-Kafi vol.5 pg.449
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?Ali bin Ibrahim from his father from ibn abi ?Umayr from abu ?Abdullah (as) that he said It has been revealed ?So for whatever you enjoy from them, to an appointed time, give them their due compensation as an obligation.?Dear idolator,
What makes a person a Sunni is when the person follows the so-called Sunnah trash, putting Muhammad's beside God, believing that Muhammad can intercede for other humans.
Your argument proving me a Sunni is flawed. I don't take Bukhari and his likes' hadiths as God's guidance.
No, Qur'an doesn't say anything about mutaa. But yes, your hadithS product of Persia talk nonsense such as mutaa, racism etc.
It is not God that says mutaa is lawful. It is your Shia imams. -
No, Qur'an doesn't say anything about mutaa. But yes, your hadithS product of Persia talk nonsense such as mutaa, racism etc.
It is not God that says mutaa is lawful. It is your Shia imams.Hadiths produced in Persia?
So who is Racist here..hahaha
Are you Arab and do you even understand Arabic?
I have already proven to you that from the Quran with over 18 different commentaries and in particular the reading of Ubay bin Kaab, you still disapprove it?
Come to Shia-Chat, there are knowledgeable people there, we will teach you the real Islam. We have many new converts to our school of Ahlul Bayt, many converted from Quranism. Come to us!
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Hadiths produced in Persia?
So who is Racist here..hahaha
Are you Arab and do you even understand Arabic?
I have already proven to you that from the Quran with over 18 different commentaries and in particular the reading of Ubay bin Kaab, you still disapprove it?
Come to Shia-Chat, there are knowledgeable people there, we will teach you the real Islam. We have many new converts to our school of Ahlul Bayt, many converted from Quranism. Come to us!
Why would I give up on Pure Monotheism and start commit SHIRK and become a mushrik?
No, I'm not racist. If I say "This strawberry is imported from Belgium", does that mean I am making racist remarks against the Belgians? nope
Many on here are converts from Sunnism and Shiaism.
The Qur'an verse that you presented says nothing about mutaa marriage.
And why would I follow your apocryphal texts the Shia hadiths?
Do you want me to show you ridiculous racist hadiths from Kafi and the likes?
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Hadiths produced in Persia?
So who is Racist here..hahaha
Are you Arab and do you even understand Arabic?
I have already proven to you that from the Quran with over 18 different commentaries and in particular the reading of Ubay bin Kaab, you still disapprove it?
Come to Shia-Chat, there are knowledgeable people there, we will teach you the real Islam. We have many new converts to our school of Ahlul Bayt, many converted from Quranism. Come to us!
Not racism, geography.
Unless Bukhara (Bukhari), Neyshapur (Muslim), Qazvin (Ibn Majah), Sijistan (Abu Dawud), Termez (Tirmizi) and Nasa (Nasa'i) are situated around Mecca.
You have proven nothing.
Have a nice day.
ps let me assure you, hahahha, u have not even converted 1 single 'quranist'.
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Salaam,
I would be an idiot if I diverted from the path at this point of guidance. No thanks to typical shiism or any other sect. God suffices me, in that barely Quran is needed, but it works as an exquisite guidebook. God is my infallible hero and Master.
God bless you
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salaam+
To all the respected members of the human society who believe in the Concept of Qur'aan Alone could you rise up and state your definition for clarification as to what you mean by Qur'aan Alone. Questions upon definitions shall be presented for further explications inshaa ALLAAH.
Reasons to follow
+salaam
You can find it in many Quranist websites including this
Peace
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Hadiths produced in Persia?
So who is Racist here..hahaha
First of all, when I say PERSIAN, I mean the elite and religious fanatics of the Sassanian and Barmak courts. Not your average layman. And for your information, the Persian hatred for and arrogance towards Arabs is deeply rooted in history. The Persians considered the Arabs to be a lesser breed of "desert wandering camel riders". This is attested to in tons of poetry verses from the Umayyad and Abbasid eras, where we find famous poets of Persian roots, mocking and ridiculing the Arab culture (see for example the poetry of the infamous alcoholist and pedofile Abu Nawwas).
So don't start this racism rhetoric, because it goes both ways and will explode in your face.
And yes, the entire collection of Hadeeth is a product of Persia. Even the so-called "Six Sihah" of the Sunnis are Persian documents, as Nazzam has pointed out (with a strong Jewish Rabbinical element in them as well). Do some research and you will see who their authors were, and what their agenda was.
The Asbab ul Nuzul for that verse was for Temporary marriage. The Mushaf of Ubay bin Kaab gives a clearer picture by the addition of the term till the appointed time.
There is no "Asbab Nuzul" anywhere in the passage, nor does the phrase "until an appointed time" exist anywhere except in the diseased imagination of al-Kulayni. This is the same Kulayni who featured a Hadith, in his "holy" book (Al-Kafi) about al-Hassan and al-Hussein drinking milk from the Prophet's index finger.
Why don't you produce the Quranic passage for us so that other members can see the tampering with Allah's words? This is not called "explaining" the Quran. It is called putting words into the Messenger's mouth.
?Ali bin Ibrahim from his father from ibn abi ?Umayr from abu ?Abdullah (as) that he said It has been revealed ?So for whatever you enjoy from them, to an appointed time, give them their due compensation as an obligation.?
So this is how the Quranic ayah was revealed then? Pray tell us who decided to leave out the "to an appointed time" phrase? Was it Uthman, when he compiled the manuscripts?
So now we learn something new Some phrases didn't make it into the "final cut" of the Quranic manuscript, and were edited out. Besides the disappearing Mut3ah clause, there is also the "verse of stoning" which was eaten by a goat and also didn't make the final draft?
Do you want me to show you ridiculous racist hadiths from Kafi and the likes?
Save yourself the trouble. I plan on providing examples soon.
The Quran has proclaimed that our Master Abul Qasim (sawa), Syeda Al Nisa Fatima Al-Zahra (as), Ameer ul Mumineen (as), Imam Sibt Al-Akbar Hassan (as) and Imam Syed Al-Shuhada Hussayn (as) were purified Sura 3333, Do you dispute this?
HELL YES, I dispute this.
3333 has nothing to do with Ali, his wife and his descendants, nor does it say anything about the concept of "infallibility". In fact, the term "Al-Bayt" mentioned in the passage does not even designate the house of Muhammad (P).
And your friends over at ShiaChat have been creating threads about the 3333 issue over and over and over again, for the past 10 years, because the entire Shia creed rests solely on this passage. From a psychological point of view, they keep bringing this subject up and debating with the Sunnis about it, because they want to convince themselves of their point of view that the "Ahlul-Bayt" do not include the wives of Muhammad(P).
Come to Shia-Chat, there are knowledgeable people there, we will teach you the real Islam.
Been there; done that. All I saw was a culture of idol-worship, marginalizing of the Quran's message, and explaining its passages completely out of context.
Blessings and regards.
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Salaam Pazuzu,
Great rebuttal as always ;D
Anyway the first question that you quoted into your post was actually directed to me.
It is funny how Shia idol worshippers try so hard to defend Shiaism by saying that "our infallible imams have more knowledge than you" etc. Lol if someone has very impressive and is very knowledgeable about Norwegian folklore, does that mean I should believe in the superstition? No nope
Regards,
Yuliana -
First of all, when I say PERSIAN, I mean the elite and religious fanatics of the Sassanian and Barmak courts.
My dear friend, our sources were not compiled during the Sassanian or Barmak courts, hahahaa.
You dont even have knowledge of history and your the one who wants to challenge the shias of Ameer ul Mumineen (as).
Go and read History 101 dude!
There is no "Asbab Nuzul" anywhere in the passage, nor does the phrase "until an appointed time" exist anywhere except in the diseased imagination of al-Kulayni. This is the same Kulayni who featured a Hadith, in his "holy" book (Al-Kafi) about al-Hassan and al-Hussein drinking milk from the Prophet's index finger.
So this is how the Quranic ayah was revealed then? Pray tell us who decided to leave out the "to an appointed time" phrase? Was it Uthman, when he compiled the manuscripts?
So now we learn something new Some phrases didn't make it into the "final cut" of the Quranic manuscript, and were edited out. Besides the disappearing Mut3ah clause, there is also the "verse of stoning" which was eaten by a goat and also didn't make the final draft?
There are many many statements made by many many companions regarding the permissibility of Mut'ah and how it is derived from Quran.
It was not the work of Uthman rather your Umar who wanted to tamper the words of Allah.
You need to compare with the Mushaf of Ubay bin Ka'ab.
The Sunnis regard the verse of stoning as a part of Quran and it was missing and this is why we have ahadith to substantiate any short-comings in the Quran.
The reason is obvious, the so-called caliphs wanted to create their own religion so they suppressed all other mushaf such as those from Ubay' bin Kaab and Ibn Mas'ud.
You are not even informed of how Quran was compiled by whom? can you give me clear answers?
The Ahlul Bayt were appointed to safeguard the Quran but the majority like you went astray!
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My dear friend, our sources were not compiled during the Sassanian or Barmak courts, hahahaa.
You dont even have knowledge of history and your the one who wants to challenge the shias of Ameer ul Mumineen (as).
Go and read History 101 dude!
There are many many statements made by many many companions regarding the permissibility of Mut'ah and how it is derived from Quran.
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everal of the companions, including Ibn 'Abbas, the ancestor of the 'Abbasid caliphs, Ibn Mas'ud, one of the first to accept Islam, and Ubayy b. Ka'b, one of the scribes of the revelation, hold that three words have been dropped form this passage in the Qur'an and that the original version read 'So those of them whom you enjoy to a specified term (ila ajal musamma).' This clearly indicates that the verse refers to mut'a. For example, it has been related that Ibn 'Abbas was asked about mut'a. He answered 'Have you not read the sura "Women" (4).' His questioner replied 'Of course I have.' He said 'Did you not read "So those of them whom you enjoy to a specified term. .." , He answered 'I did not read the verse like that.' Ibn 'Abbas then said 'I swear by God, this is how God revealed it', and he repeated this statement twice(Abu 'Ali al-Fadl b. al-Hasan al Tabarsi (d. 548/1153), Majma' al-bayan, Tehran, 1339/1960, III, 32.)
It was not the work of Uthman rather your Umar who wanted to tamper the words of Allah.
You need to compare with the Mushaf of Ubay bin Ka'ab.
The Sunnis regard the verse of stoning as a part of Quran and it was missing and this is why we have ahadith to substantiate any short-comings in the Quran.
The reason is obvious, the so-called caliphs wanted to create their own religion so they suppressed all other mushaf such as those from Ubay' bin Kaab and Ibn Mas'ud.
You are not even informed of how Quran was compiled by whom? can you give me clear answers?
The Ahlul Bayt were appointed to safeguard the Quran but the majority like you went astray!
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Regarding referring to Messengers and Imams as "Master"
Ghulam Rasool, Ghulam Hussain, Ghulam Ali? Kaneez Fatima, Gulam Ghouse, Ghulam Dastagir, Bande Ali,Bande
Hasan, Bande Huaasin, Bande Nawaz, Mamnoon Hussain, Kalbe Mukhtar, Kalbe Jawwad, Sag-e-Batool, etc.? Really?But this is what the Quran says
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It is not (possible) for any human being to whom God had given the Scripture and authority (Arabic Hukma) and the Prophet hood that he should afterwards have said unto mankind Be slaves of me instead of God..."
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ut this is what the Quran says003.079 (part)
?It is not (possible) for any human being to whom God had given the Scripture and authority (Arabic Hukma) and the Prophet hood that he should afterwards have said unto mankind Be slaves of me instead of God..."
Dont act like a kid, being a Slave of Prophet (sawa) does not mean i am not the slave of Allah, your sect is worse than the wahabis.
Every single thing taken out of context and blinded by the key words tawheed and shirk. When someone question why the words in Quran is mentioned in this manner?
you reply it is metaphoric, so i cant be methaphoric. I have faith in Allah that He is Almighty and knows what is in my heart and i have not taken Rasul (sallahu alaihi wa aaleh) as my "Rab"
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@diamantinehoneybunc,
I have destroyed the argument of your "teacher", come over to our school, the school of Ahlul Bayt. We follow the Quran and Ahlul Bayt.
The two weighty things known as thaqalyn in Arabic. Our Infallible Imams are appointed to safeguard the message of the Quran.
If it requires a mortal to convey the message then it also requires a mortal to safeguard His last message to mankind.
We are not rigid and we are the most dynamic school of thought, our scholars can do ijtihad.
Tashayyu' is the future....come and join us..open invitation!
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And yes, the entire collection of Hadeeth is a product of Persia. Even the so-called "Six Sihah" of the Sunnis are Persian documents, as Nazzam has pointed out (with a strong Jewish Rabbinical element in them as well). Do some research and you will see who their authors were, and what their agenda was.
You are a freaking racist! and yet you guys barely understand Arabic, what an irony!
Persians did tremendous service to Islamic civilisation. Arabs were indeed barbarians before the advent of Islam, there is no doubt about it and the Persian civilisation was a dominant force in the world.
You seem to hint the Persian conspiracy theory, we have the likes of Salman Al-Farisi, a great noble companion of the Holy Messenger (sawa).