Allah is God ?
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Peace muslim
Now I understand the way you create this thread.You didn't talk about grammar, but you differ Allah's Islam from another gods/God especially Christian and Judaism's Allah.
And you reference based on laa ila ha ilallah.Yes I agree with you.Months ago I watch an Islam-Christian debate video on youtube
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoJ_7yWLF6U (because you understand Indonesian I provide this to you)
The topic in that video is "Samakah Tuhan Islam dan Kristen"
On that video Rev. Gershom Ben Morshe (former muslim) give some simple explanation about that (minute 02554-039-36)Peace
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Peace muslim
Now I understand the way you create this thread.You didn't talk about grammar, but you differ Allah's Islam from another gods/God especially Christian and Judaism's Allah.
And you reference based on laa ila ha ilallah.Yes I agree with you.Months ago I watch an Islam-Christian debate video on youtube
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoJ_7yWLF6U (because you understand Indonesian I provide this to you)
The topic in that video is "Samakah Tuhan Islam dan Kristen"
On that video Rev. Gershom Ben Morshe (former muslim) give some simple explanation about that (minute 02554-039-36)Peace
Salam
It is true. This thread is not about grammar, languages and spellings, but the issue is related to the "equivalent concept of gods worshipped by human beings." Sura 112 said Allah is One and not equivalent to God(s). Further, the highest form of God is "Self". The "Self" is giving birth and establishing hundreds and thousands of religions. It is the main God for all God(s).
The Qur'anic standard for the attainment of righteousness
(how to defeat and be free from the God within ourselves)
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Level of shirk and understanding of the Qur'an
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Allah has not made for a man two hearts in his interior.
(334)
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La Illah Ila Allah
There is no God but Allah
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Definition of God
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Our own desire is in the category of God
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Have you seen the one who takes as his God his own desire?
(2543)
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Have you seen he who has taken as his God his desire
(4523)
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Proof from the Qur'an?Peace
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The being has a name.That is the reason people assign hypothetical names for their various presumptive gods.
Salam
Therefore, it is a concept or an idea that can be made "equivalent" to another "being". Sura 112 said Allah is One and not equivalent to another "being".
Peace.
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Deaf, dumb and blind - so they will not return (21
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Nor is there to Him any equivalent" <- absolute denial, exclusion principle
(112)Rather, they have denied that which they encompass not in knowledge <- ie. made equivalent
and whose interpretation has not yet come to them
(1039)No change should there be in the creation of Allah
That is the correct deen
but most of the people do not know
(3030)The Qur'an is not about Allah, but it is about His creations.
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Salam
Therefore, it is a concept or an idea that can be made "equivalent" to another "being". Sura 112 said Allah is One and not equivalent to another "being".
Peace.
Polytheists do not equate Allah the Exalted with other gods. Their ultimate argument for justifying thier gods is this
"We do not worship them except for the purpose that they might cause us to be nearer in access to Allah the Exalted".
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Polytheists do not equate Allah the Exalted with other gods. Their ultimate argument for justifying thier gods is this
"We do not worship them except for the purpose that they might cause us to be nearer in access to Allah the Exalted".
Salam
Religious people (the polytheists, sectarianism, bigot) equate and compare one god to the other and chose their one true God among other God(s). They equate the concept Godhood; and this leads to duality. Sura 112 declares Allah is One (that cannot be broken down into parts or fragments, non-centricity and no boundary, there is nothing in existence other than Him and nothing is within the micro or macro realms of existence) and "Nor is there to Him any equivalent". Sura 112 declares Allah is not equivalent to God. This primary message negated and nullified the concept of Godhood altogether; There is no God but Allah ... ?There is no God, there is only Allah" and there is a System (Deen) present within life, by which those who fail to comply, are led to suffer the consequences of their own actions.
?Nothing in existence within the micro or the macro planes is equivalent to HU!? (4211)
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Peace.
p/s A Muslim do not "worship" Allah, but they "serve" to Allah. Worshipping God is for religious people and sectarianism.
You alone we do serve
and to You alone we beseech for help
(14)I have created the jinn and men only so that they may serve Me
(5156)Say, "Indeed
my prayer
my rites of sacrifice
my living
and my dying
are for Allah
Lord of the worlds
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From a God who thinks like a man
(God is Allah)
to a man who thinks like Allah!http//tozzwoods.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/Elephant_puzzle.336220550_std.jpg
A puzzle which is not meant to be solved.
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The seven heavens and the earth and all that is therein, glorify Him
and there is not a thing but glorifies His Praise
But you understand not their glorification
Truly, He is Ever Forbearing, Oft-Forgiving
(1744)Is it then other than Allah's "dni" (ِ that they seek
and to Him submits (Islam - َ
whoever is in the heavens and the earth
willingly or unwillingly
and to Him shall they be returned
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This primary message negated and nullified the concept of Godhood altogether; There is no God but Allah ... ?There is no God, there is only Allah" and there is a System (Deen) present within life, by which those who fail to comply, are led to suffer the consequences of their own actions.
Exception "Illa" relates back to Ielah. Allah the Exalted has not negated the relaity of He being the Ielah-the God in English-the Supernatural-Non-Matter Personality. All other ielah-gods are but matter or from matter or abstract thought.
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Exception "Illa" relates back to Ielah. Allah the Exalted has not negated the relaity of He being the Ielah-the God in English-the Supernatural-Non-Matter Personality. All other ielah-gods are but matter or from matter or abstract thought.
Salam
I'm referring to some comments on the "La" and "illa".
First
Btw the word Allah and l-ilah is still different words, because merging Al and ilah into "Allah" has no rule in Arabic.
Second
The Arabic statement
La rajulun illa Ali can be translated literally as
?There is no real man except/but Ali?
or ?There is no man like Ali?
or ?Among the men none are Ali?s alike?- note that all of these statements denote there are in fact other men (duality, Ali and other men), but they are not like Ali (who is also a man and can be compared or made equivalent to other men).
However, when the word illa is used in conjunction with the word ALLAH
it does not mean ?a god like Allah?
that is, it should not be understood as
?there other gods, but none are like Allah? (duality, Allah and other God(s))
as the very meaning denoted by the word ALLAH
invalidates this supposition from the onsetJust as the auxiliary verb was (khaane)
when used in conjunction with Allah
loses its general meaning and is taken as the present simple tense
when the word except (illa) appears next to the word Allah
it also loses its general connotation and is taken to mean only.Here is an example
KhaanALLAhu gafurur rahiyma
cannot be translated as ?Allah was Ghafur and Rahim?
as the qualities denoted by the Names of Allah cannot be subject to time
they are ever present and ever effectiveSimilarly, illa Allah cannot mean except (duality) Allah
which denotes the existence of others (duality)
but must be understood as only Allah!
The qualities of the One to which the word Allah refers
does not accept the existence of another
especially that beside itselfHence, khaane, illa and all other expressions that denote time and (other) existence
must be construed appropriate to the meaning of Allah
when used in conjunction with it
Otherwise, it will inevitably result in the conception of a god beyond!Now examining the Word of Unity
There is no God, there is only Allah in light of this consideration
the first message that we are given is There is no god
Only after this definite denunciation we are told ILLA ALLAHAs explained above
because the word illa is used besides the word Allah
(usage of "La" and usage of "illa" is not on men or objects)
the only correct construal of this statement can be ONLY ALLAH
as opposed to
except Allah
or
but Allah
for there is no other being in existence
to which Allah can be compared to
or excluded from!Therefore, the correct translation is
?There is no God, there is only Allah"
or
?There is no God, only Allah" (One! that cannot be broken down into parts or fragments)
Peace
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Exception "Illa" relates back to Ielah. Allah the Exalted has not negated the relaity of He being the Ielah-the God in English-the Supernatural-Non-Matter Personality. All other ielah-gods are but matter or from matter or abstract thought.
Peace Mazhar
What is that red term??I ever study english in my school time years ago, but it's the first time I heard about it.
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La rajulun illa Ali
This sentence has no relevance to the sentence La Illah Ila Allah
Rajulun is the subject of the nominal sentence and being indefinite in nominative case and absolute state its specification is necessary and needs to be estimated as elision. He and Ali both remain as Man and negation for that indefinite man is in relation to some attribute of Ali.
In the sentence La Illah Ila Allah; La is not simple negation but negation of genus since the subject noun is in accusative. Here Illah denotes a group-a family of deities who are treated as gods.
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http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/2.255PQL.gifRealize it Allah the Exalted is all alone the living Iela'aha Sovereign Sustainer Lord; He Who is uncritically admired and adorned. None else of the hypothetical set iela'aha gods-deities were and are a living entity.
Allah the Exalted alone is the ever Living; the Absolute; never ever to die, and the Sustainer; the Organizer of all that exists; the Sovereign Administrator. .
Allah the Exalted confirms that people have adopted miscellaneous gods. So they are a ground reality. The Predicate of La is elided. And that Predicate can be estimated any fact about Allah the Exalted which is not the trait of all others whom people call or consider as miscellaneous iela'aha. The foremost trait of Allah is "the Living". All others whom people call god including Easa alahissalam are non-living; the dead and matter.
"None is living who are considered as iela'aha gods except Allah the Exalted".Translation after grammatical parsing 2255
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This sentence has no relevance to the sentence La Illah Ila Allah
Rajulun is the subject of the nominal sentence and being indefinite in nominative case and absolute state its specification is necessary and needs to be estimated as elision. He and Ali both remain as Man and negation for that indefinite man is in relation to some attribute of Ali.
In the sentence La Illah Ila Allah; La is not simple negation but negation of genus since the subject noun is in accusative. Here Illah denotes a group-a family of deities who are treated as gods.
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http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/2.255PQL.gifRealize it Allah the Exalted is all alone the living Iela'aha Sovereign Sustainer Lord; He Who is uncritically admired and adorned. None else of the hypothetical set iela'aha gods-deities were and are a living entity.
Allah the Exalted alone is the ever Living; the Absolute; never ever to die, and the Sustainer; the Organizer of all that exists; the Sovereign Administrator. .
Allah the Exalted confirms that people have adopted miscellaneous gods. So they are a ground reality. The Predicate of La is elided. And that Predicate can be estimated any fact about Allah the Exalted which is not the trait of all others whom people call or consider as miscellaneous iela'aha. The foremost trait of Allah is "the Living". All others whom people call god including Easa alahissalam are non-living; the dead and matter.
"None is living who are considered as iela'aha gods except Allah the Exalted".Translation after grammatical parsing 2255
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Salam,
Your interpretation "excluding" Allah from other gods and for that reason, there is a "Concept of Godhood and Duality" in your belief system, whereas ....
all of these statements denote there are in fact other men (duality, Ali and other men), but they are not like Ali (who is also a man and can be compared or made equivalent to other men).
Do you acknowledge there are in fact other God(s) that can be compared or made equivalent to Allah? (Godhood)
that is, it should not be understood as
?there other gods, but none are like Allah? (duality, Allah and other God(s))
as the very meaning denoted by the word ALLAH
invalidates this supposition from the onsetSura 112 declares Allah is One and not equivalent to God, and the usage of "God" is subjected to the interpretation provision in the Qur'an; ie. Sura 112 (REFER HERE).
for there is no other being in existence
to which Allah can be compared to
or excluded from!Peace.
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Premise 1 Angels associate Allah with Adam.
Premise 2 Iblees does not associate Allah with Adam.
Therefore Iblees_________________________________ ?And when We said to the angels angels <- represent the believers, why?
Make obeisance to Adam they did obeisance
but Iblis (did it not). He refused and he was proud
and he was one of the unbelievers Iblis <- represent the disbelievers, why?
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Your interpretation "excluding" Allah from other gods and for that reason, there is a "Concept of Godhood and Duality" in your belief system, whereas ....
The concept of multiple gods, duality, and trinity is the fact on ground since many people the world over have these beliefs.
Their belief is declared erroneous and this is emphasised time and again throughout the Qur'aan by referring to various aspects and qualitative features of "the God"; and its synopsis is succintly but exhaustively given in Srat 112.
You the Messenger tell the people "The absolute fact is that Allah is the Only and Alone; the Unique; the Solitary; the Absolute; the Perfect, the Exclusive.
Allah the Exalted is the Only Self Reliant; Transcendent, Absolutely Independent; One upon Whom all without exception are dependant;
He in Person never became the cause, and nor was He the effect.
And for Him there is always none ever to compare-exemplify; He is Unique-The Absolute". -
Quote from Mazhar on Today at 061021 AM
Exception "Illa" relates back to Ielah. Allah the Exalted has not negated the relaity of He being the Ielah-the God in English-the Supernatural-Non-Matter Personality. All other ielah-gods are but matter or from matter or abstract thought.Peace Mazhar
What is that red term??I ever study english in my school time years ago, but it's the first time I heard about it.
Salam, Earthdom
god noun
- supernatural being one of a group of supernatural male beings in some religions, each of which is worshiped as the personification or controller of some aspect of the universe
Everything that exists in physical realm is matter; life in physical realm is also from matter. Allah the Exalted is the Person Who is outside the physical realm-His creation.
In Physical Realm everything is mirrored. It has imagery. Allah the Exalted is mirrorless. His powers and adjectival traits are mirrored in His Creation and these existentials are called His Sign-Reflectors-Evidence of His Omnipresence.
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Salaam,
Allah is One according to Quran as it was written in Arabic. If it was written in, for example, English, it would be written God is One.
God = God's name in English
Allah = God's name in ArabicAllah is not God's ultimate name. Allah is just composed of the Arabic definite article with the word for god making it into the English God.
Why would God choose a name that is literally "the god" in English for and not a random name, for example Toyota? "There is no god but Toyota". But God used the (literally) plain "the god". Why? Because it is not more complicated than to explain it as if it was an accurately compiled English book of God it would be "God", ie "there is no other god than God".
Allah is a very telling and simple word that anyone would understand, hence why God chose it. If he one the other hand compiled an English holy book it would be "God" because it is as simple definition for His being.
Like I said before; God has no name but to refer to Himself by something so that we weaklings can have some reference point.
I repeat myself several times but "In English one capitalizes letters to make words emphasized while in Arabic it is not possible that why but there is the 'al' definite article. 'G' in God substitutes the 'al' and in English one does not normally use 'the' to refer to a name of someone although it is having it first letter capitalized."
Allah is a very simply composed word which can easily compare to God in terms of simplicity. Allah is just the word for god in Arabic with a definite article on. In English it is just the word for god with a capital letter on it. Still cannot agree with this reasoning?
God bless you
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Salaam,
Allah is One according to Quran as it was written in Arabic. If it was written in, for example, English, it would be written God is One.
God = God's name in English
Allah = God's name in ArabicAllah is not God's ultimate name. Allah is just composed of the Arabic definite article with the word for god making it into the English God.
Why would God choose a name that is literally "the god" in English for and not a random name, for example Toyota? "There is no god but Toyota". But God used the (literally) plain "the god". Why? Because it is not more complicated than to explain it as if it was an accurately compiled English book of God it would be "God", ie "there is no other god than God".
Allah is a very telling and simple word that anyone would understand, hence why God chose it. If he one the other hand compiled an English holy book it would be "God" because it is as simple definition for His being.
Like I said before; God has no name but to refer to Himself by something so that we weaklings can have some reference point.
I repeat myself several times but "In English one capitalizes letters to make words emphasized while in Arabic it is not possible that why but there is the 'al' definite article. 'G' in God substitutes the 'al' and in English one does not normally use 'the' to refer to a name of someone although it is having it first letter capitalized."
Allah is a very simply composed word which can easily compare to God in terms of simplicity. Allah is just the word for god in Arabic with a definite article on. In English it is just the word for god with a capital letter on it. Still cannot agree with this reasoning?
God bless you
Salaam,
You are still confused with your theory and Earthdom and others have already understood the issue of this thread.
Now I understand the way you create this thread.You didn't talk about grammar, but you differ Allah's Islam from another gods/God especially Christian and Judaism's Allah.
And you reference based on laa ila ha ilallah.Yes I agree with you.Months ago I watch an Islam-Christian debate video on youtube
God bless you
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Salaam,
You are still confused and Earthdom and others have already understood the issue of this thread.
God bless you
Salaam,
So I understand the intention for creating this thread.
In my humble opinion, it is better to rephrase the title "Qur'anic Allah is traditional Allah?"
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The concept of multiple gods, duality, and trinity is the fact on ground since many people the world over have these beliefs.
Their belief is declared erroneous and this is emphasised time and again throughout the Qur'aan by referring to various aspects and qualitative features of "the God"; and its synopsis is succintly but exhaustively given in Srat 112.
You the Messenger tell the people "The absolute fact is that Allah is the Only and Alone; the Unique; the Solitary; the Absolute; the Perfect, the Exclusive.
Allah the Exalted is the Only Self Reliant; Transcendent, Absolutely Independent; One upon Whom all without exception are dependant;
He in Person never became the cause, and nor was He the effect.
And for Him there is always none ever to compare-exemplify; He is Unique-The Absolute".- red is mine
Salam
Your authority self contradicts your argument.
You the Messenger tell the people "The absolute fact is that Allah is the Only and Alone; the Unique; the Solitary; the Absolute; the Perfect, the Exclusive.
?Say ?Allah is Ahad (One)"
Allah is Ahad?
That is, Allah is Oneness
There is nothing in existence other than Him
Allah has no boundary
and cannot be broken down into parts or fragments
Nothing is within the micro or macro realms of existence
and there is no inside or outside AllahTherefore, where can this external god that is other than the Ahad Allah be?
Inside or outside of Allah?
Allah the Exalted is the Only Self Reliant; Transcendent, Absolutely Independent; One upon Whom all without exception are dependant;
Allah is Samad
A whole without any void or emptiness
impermeable
nothing penetrates into it
nothing extends out from it
Allah has no boundary
and if something has no boundaries it cannot have a center
It is impossible for Allah to have a center
It also follows that something without a center cannot have a core or shell, an interior or an exteriorHe in Person never became the cause, and nor was He the effect.
He begets not. No other form of existence has ever originated from Him, thus, there is no other.
Nor was he begotten. There is no other god or form of existence from which He could have originated.Allah has not created another being from Himself
and no other being has originated into existence from the existence of Allah
Allah is Ahad, ie. the indivisible ONE,
Therefore it is not possible for another form of existence to have originated from Allah
even if it is with Allah?s qualitiesAllah is not begotten
and this clearly means that Allah did not originate from another beingHow can Allah have originated by another being or created another being from Himself if Allah is Ahad?
And for Him there is always none ever to compare-exemplify; He is Unique-The Absolute".
Nor is there to Him any equivalent
There is none like Him
Nothing in the micro or macro planes of existence is equivalent or in resemblance of Him
There are no concepts or ideas that can resemble or explain Allah; ie. the concept of Godhood (duality)
Allah is AHADTherefore.. the Qur'an is about us (refer here)
it is about our duties and the system (deen).. andFrom a God who thinks like a man
(God is Allah)
to a man who thinks like Allah!http//tozzwoods.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/Elephant_puzzle.336220550_std.jpg
A puzzle which is not meant to be solved.
(Nor is there to Him any equivalent)Peace.