Does Islam allow homosexuality?
-
Also, further proof, King David (peace be upon him) was in a homosexual relationship with Jonathan (may God be pleased with him), which many scholars whom have read the tale considered to be homosexual.
nope
Stop spreading slander and lie about the prophet of Allah.
We should be careful when we speak about the prophets.
We should fear Allah. Glory be to Allah.
-
I have never heard of that David would have been homosexual. He had heterosexual relationship since he fathered children.
If a prophet was homosexual by any reason, they would have been monks rather than indulging in worldly pleasure.
Salam
-
Just one question, what if these two women got married to each other and then had sex?
two women?
I feel its too early to make up mind about whether homosexuality is purely based on choice and thus means going against the nature created by Allah. I am quite used to seeing people who still don't know they are gay, but I have idea about it because of their slanted figures, feminine movement, emotions and voice. Such people are usually bullied by their heterosexual friends for not being "manly". They are hated and separated. But just tell me if how they are is truly their fault?
I believe your are refering to GID
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity_disorder
-
Stop spreading slander and lie about the prophet of Allah.
We should be careful when we speak about the prophets.
I haven't, to this date, spread any "slander" or "lie" against any prophets of God (peace be upon whomever they may be). In fact, go and study about the tale of David (peace be upon him) and Jonathan (may God be pleased with him) if you think I am making this up, I am in fact simply reciting the narratives.You're telling me that we should be careful when speaking about the prophets, then why aren't you? Why are you spewing hatred against homosexuality, hereunder insulting David and Dhul-Qarnayn for their homosexual intimacies with men? That's very hypocritical coming from a self-proclaimed Muslim.
What do you even know about the prophets of God? What do you know about Job? Have you read the Book of Job? No, you haven't, you probably just know that very much about him from the three verses regarding him in the Quran and that's all you can say about him.
What do you know about Jesus? You call him for the Messiah of the Jews, why? What prophesies of the Torah did he fulfill in order for you, as a Muslim, to accept him for a messiah? Have you read the gospels of Christ? No, you probably only know those few verses regarding him in the Quran.
I have actually studied extensively on all the 25 mentioned prophets in the Quran, as well as the implicitly mentioned prophet Samuel, and all the other prophets thought to be of God - I know about them all from any possible source, these include the Bible, historical records, such and such - you only know whatever gibberish your Sheik tells you and accept even the misinformation he might receive you.
I don't need to speak carefully about them, because I know about them. My life is based on believing the claims from the claimants, how can you accept supposed prophets without even knowing about them? This is an excellent example of blind faith in dogma. I, personally in contrast to you, can't claim to believe in doctrines sent to prophets, when I don't even know about the prophets!
However, I haven't mocked any of their names unlike you.
This dogma and blind faith of yours is the problem in this world, you're so eager to call yourself for a Muslim but you're also too insecure about your faith that you have to distort it in this fashion... it's embarrassing.
I have never heard of that David would have been homosexual. He had heterosexual relationship since he fathered children.
He was a bisexual, he had many wives but he also had a homosexual relationship with Jonathan (may God be pleased with him). This is the same with Dhul-Qarnayn (Alexander the Great), he also had many wives and fathered children, but he was also engaging in male-male sex. That was just something that was normal back then, David's Sunnah included homosexual love with other men and it's normal, natural, not in sex, but it is in love and that's what the story of David and Jonathan is all about... it's about intimate love with other men. You can read the tale for yourself if you are doubting it.Keep this in mind when people say homosexuality is a sin, are you saying Prophet David was sinful? May God grant us forgiveness, but how many are actually asking for this forgiveness from God? In fact, you're concealing the truth and make lies in the name of Islam! If this is promoted regarding homosexuality, then how is this different from a non-Muslim criticizing Islam by saying Islam is hostile to disbelievers? You're quick to say that's not Islam and no verse in the Quran recognize to kill non-Muslims, but it's fine to call it for Islam to say homosexuality is sinful with no verse in the Quran to justify such a thing? I honestly hope you people will acknowledge your hypocritical dogmas and blind faith... and forsake it.
If a prophet was homosexual by any reason, they would have been monks rather than indulging in worldly pleasure.
How do you know? If that's the case, why did Muhammad marry 13 women and had sex? Are women and sex not part of this earthly pleasure? Also, Dhul-Qarnayn and King David were both engaging in homosexual acts - both are postdating Lot's time.I don't think you know much about what a prophet should do and not.
PS even if we are to assume Lot is addressing homosexuality, are you saying that he approved of female-female but disliked male-male? That's ludicrous, which is why the Lot story is obviously not referring to homosexuality but otherwise.
-
I am strongly in doubt that the real prophet of Quran would have had 13 wives. It is not in line with the philosophical approach of our faith which is non-indulgence in this world.
Homosexual ties are non-productive and it is why I said that in case a prophet was born homosexual he would not marry but be fully devoted to his line of duty such as Jesus. Although I doubt Jesus was homosexual, he was just detached from his beastly self.
Salaam
-
I am strongly in doubt that the real prophet of Quran would have had 13 wives. It is not in line with the philosophical approach of our faith which is non-indulgence in this world.
Homosexual ties are non-productive and it is why I said that in case a prophet was born homosexual he would not marry but be fully devoted to his line of duty such as Jesus. Although I doubt Jesus was homosexual, he was just detached from his beastly self.
Salaam
Khadija bint Khuwaylid, Sawda bint Zama, Aisha bint Abu Bakr, Hafsa bint Umar and Zaynab bint Khuzayma, Hind bint Abi Umayya, Rayhana bint Zayd, Zaynab bint Jahsh, Juwayriyya bint al-Harith, Safiyya bint Huyeiy Ibn Akhtab, Ramla bint Abi Sufyan, Maria al-Qibtiyya and Maymuna bint al-Harith were all the Prophet's wives, they say various of times that they are just human beings too, they don't need to be celibate to be pious, they need to be humble and religious to be pious. Also, Muhammad has sex in order to make Fatimah. Jesus probably married to Mary Magdalene and if not, he was too young to get married - he was an ascetic, mystical hermit.
Also, homosexuality is not only about sex, it's also about love... if you read the tale between David and Jonathan, it is made clear about their intimate connection between two partners that what love is all about. It's very mundane and non-mystical to say sex is only about reproduction, don't you realize sex is also about heavenly pleasure? Read this poem from the early Islamic history
Al-Suyuti wrote "Each time we sleep with a houri we find her virgin. Besides, the penis of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal; the sensation that you feel each time you make love is utterly delicious and out of this world and were you to experience it in this world you would faint. Each chosen one will marry seventy houris, besides the women he married on earth, and all will have appetizing vaginas."
Homosexuality is not a sin, even if you don't like it. It's fine you don't like it, but that doesn't mean you can throw lies in the name of Islam or conceal the truth that Islam is not against it. If you can do that, we can as well say that it's a sin to not kill disbelievers.
-
Peace Islamo-Aleikum.
This is what you said about David
He was a bisexual, he had many wives but he also had a homosexual relationship with Jonathan (may God be pleased with him). This is the same with Dhul-Qarnayn (Alexander the Great), he also had many wives and fathered children, but he was also engaging in male-male sex. That was just something that was normal back then, David's Sunnah included homosexual love with other men and it's normal, natural, not in sex, but it is in love and that's what the story of David and Jonathan is all about... it's about intimate love with other men. You can read the tale for yourself if you are doubting it.
Are you saying he was committing adultery?
If he was married to "wives" was he also married to Jonathan?Where do you find such evidence?
If he was not married to Jonathan ,then he was cheating on his wives?
Will God be pleased with him?God says" Wala taqrabu "Zina" innahu kana "Fahisha"?
GOD also says235-5-7>
You are implying that here also?
Also, homosexuality is not only about sex, it's also about love... if you read the tale between David and Jonathan, it is made clear about their intimate connection between two partners that what love is all about. It's very mundane and non-mystical to say sex is only about reproduction, don't you realize sex is also about heavenly pleasure? Read this poem from the early Islamic history
Have you studied Qoran> Are you saying Qoran agrees with having wives and at the same time having intimate relationships with others?
Reading a tale and investigating /checking/a tale are two different things!!!
GOD bless you.
Peace. -
No, not at all. The current Torah was written for literally millennia after Moses death, whereas he would have lived for allegedly 3000 years ago. The original Torah would have been an stone inscription of the 10 commandments and that's it, all the rest would have been oral sayings by the Priest Moses transmitted through traditions for over thousands years, how much altering would have been able for thousands of years? I tell you, a lot. Even modern historians agree nothing in the current Torah is even remotely the same as that of Moses' original Torah.
According to John Riches, Professor of Divinity and Biblical Criticism at the University of Glasgow "The consensus of scholarship is that the stories are taken from four different written sources and that these were brought together over the course of time to form the first five books of the Bible as a composite work. The sources are known as J, the Jahwist source (from the German transliteration of the Hebrew YHWH), E, the Elohist source, P, the priestly source, and D, the Deuteronomist source. ... Thus the Pentateuch (or Torah, as it is known by Jews) comprises material taken from six centuries of human history, which has been put together to give a comprehensive picture of the creation of the world and of God's dealings with his peoples, specifically with the people of Israel."
0544 - I, We sent down the Torah, in it was guidance and light. Judge by it the prophets those who submit, that is, those who are Jews and the rabbis and learned men of religion with what they WILL PROTECT ALLAH?s Book, and they were witnesses thereto. So do not fear the people but fear ME and do not sell MY verses for a small price. And whoever does not judge by what ALLAH has revealed ? then it is those who are the disbelievers.
The Prophets were the judges, supervising their powers on the Rabbaniyyun, refers to the worshippers who are learned and religious, and Ahbar refers to the scholars, meaning, they were entrusted to protect the Book of Allah, and they were commanded to adhere to it and not hide any part of it OR to sell HIS verses for a small price.
After Prophet Musa, there were others who took that responsibility, Harun Sulaiman Dawood Esa Ayyub Yunus AlYasa'a and besides them were the other messengers and rabbis as mentioned above.
Even if we are to say some things are still the true in the Torah, why should it of all the 5 books that Quran constantly refutes against, the five books filled with polytheistic teachings, historical inaccuracies, scientific inaccuracies, have your specific verse (nowhere to have an analog to in the Quran) be true? Why not one of the many immoral teachings by the crazy rabbis with their barbaric mentalities?
How can you prove out of that verse, out of the five earliest and most historical inaccurate books, contains the certain truth, even though the verse is attributed to different authors of different times and Quran never quotes a similar verse?
And you believe that David who was a Prophet and King, a homo??? You already contradict yourself
The Quran
".....They are your garment and you are a garment for them."
The Quran calls her MUHSANA - A FORTRESS AGAINST IMMORAL, because a man, by marrying a woman, helps him keep to the path of rectitude in his life. It is for this reason that marriage was considered.
The Quran 3021 - "And among HIS signs is this, that HE has created for you mates from among yourselves, that you may dwell in tranquility with them; and HE has put love and mercy between you. Verily in that are signs for those who reflect."
Also as for my proof, as I said, Quran in 1880, which takes place during Moses time, calls the two parents of the evil son for "fathers" and pious "believers," meaning that Quran approves of homosexual Muslims and that Lot's individual teachings to his individual people were abrogated by Moses, a millennium later.
Please read
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606834.0
-
The Quran
".....They are your garment and you are a garment for them."
The Quran calls her MUHSANA - A FORTRESS AGAINST IMMORAL, because a man, by marrying a woman, helps him keep to the path of rectitude in his life. It is for this reason that marriage was considered.
The Quran 3021 - "And among HIS signs is this, that HE has created for you mates from among yourselves, that you may dwell in tranquility with them; and HE has put love and mercy between you. Verily in that are signs for those who reflect."
I LIKE THIS! )
May ALLAH bless you, brother Hizbullah.
-
Sin or not, or if I do not like it or not is irrelevant, I was only speaking factually and from a logical viewpoint. Souls are asexual and without sexual drive, so homosexuality is just a beastly desire just as heterosexual drive, and homosexual contact is completely unproductive and thus redundant.
The reason we marry with a woman is because she complements us and both can be one on a beast level. And the reproduction apparatus is compatible, so they can copulate as anatomically intended. Some men cannot control their beastly instincts to copulate so thus is may be a better reason to at least do it as anatomically intended and with a beast that would complement him and be an opposite pole of his beast body, so that he may control his beastly instincts.
Salaam
-
Peace Islamo-Aleikum.
This is what you said about David
He was a bisexual, he had many wives but he also had a homosexual relationship with Jonathan (may God be pleased with him). This is the same with Dhul-Qarnayn (Alexander the Great), he also had many wives and fathered children, but he was also engaging in male-male sex. That was just something that was normal back then, David's Sunnah included homosexual love with other men and it's normal, natural, not in sex, but it is in love and that's what the story of David and Jonathan is all about... it's about intimate love with other men. You can read the tale for yourself if you are doubting it.
Are you saying he was committing adultery?
If he was married to "wives" was he also married to Jonathan?Where do you find such evidence?
If he was not married to Jonathan ,then he was cheating on his wives?
Will God be pleased with him?
Peace, JavaLatte.These laws are not applied to the prophets. David had more than 300 wives, in Quran it says we may only marry four. These are the Sunnah of David and the Psalms. We should not be applying David's teachings to Muslim way of life or Islamic faith, likewise Sunnah of Muhammad and Quran (the most recent revelation) is not to be used as examples to shame David for his deeds in his time.
This is a very common saying, don't judge a man of his time. Similarly, you won't be accepting child marriage, but would you blame Muhammad for this with, say, Aisha? No, it's ridiculous. Likewise, it's ridiculous to say David was an adulterer. Muhammad had sex with many women, superseding the four-rule in the Quran, is he to be blamed for this or is it that a prophet have different rules applying to them?
Also, it would be wrong to call these for "wives," rather they were his "concubines" or "what your right hand possesses."
Have you studied Qoran> Are you saying Qoran agrees with having wives and at the same time having intimate relationships with others?
I have studied the Quran, Bible, Psalms. Everything. And I know this. What you are describing is adultery, but how other ways are you suggesting someone to marry more than one?
And you believe that David who was a Prophet and King, a homo??? You already contradict yourselfhttp//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606834.0
The Psalms have historical reliability unlike the Pentateuch. I am not contradicting myself, do you even know anything about the Bible? David was a historical figure and the Biblical accounts are most certainly the most reliable.
Also, it is forbidden to say any verse in the Quran is not divine.
-
Sin or not, or if I do not like it or not is irrelevant, I was only speaking factually and from a logical viewpoint. Souls are asexual and without sexual drive, so homosexuality is just a beastly desire just as heterosexual drive, and homosexual contact is completely unproductive and thus redundant.
The reason we marry with a woman is because she complements us and both can be one on a beast level. And the reproduction apparatus is compatible, so they can copulate as anatomically intended. Some men cannot control their beastly instincts to copulate so thus is may be a better reason to at least do it as anatomically intended and with a beast that would complement him and be an opposite pole of his beast body, so that he may control his beastly instincts.
Salaam
Are you the pope of Islam? No? Then shut up, no one cares about your personal opinions.
-
The Psalms have historical reliability unlike the Pentateuch. I am not contradicting myself, do you even know anything about the Bible? David was a historical figure and the Biblical accounts are most certainly the most reliable.
Also, it is forbidden to say any verse in the Quran is not divine.
What psalms, the Quran NEVER says anything about Psalms. Do you know anything about the Bible or the Quran....NO YOU DONT!!!
Its forbidden to inject false hood against the THE CREATOR accusing the CREATOR OF BEING A BABY KILLER. i challenge you to have a one on one discussion on this thread
-
What psalms, the Quran NEVER says anything about Psalms. Do you know anything about the Bible or the Quran....NO YOU DONT!!!
Its forbidden to inject false hood against the THE CREATOR accusing the CREATOR OF BEING A BABY KILLER. i challenge you to have a one on one discussion on this thread
Psalms are mentioned in the Quran as Zabur revealed to David. Don't you know this basic thing from the Quran?
Let's have a discussion. It was not the Creator that killed the son of the homosexual fathers, it was Khidr - and he was crazy. It's a Sufi narrative that must be understood with a spiritual and esoteric mind. It recounts Khidr and Moses' journey. The son wasn't an infant or a baby, we don't know his age, we just know some youngster - perhaps 17 or 16 years old.
-
Islamo-Aleikum,
Mind your manners.
You perhaps do not care about my words, but perhaps someone else does. Instead of giving out some foul words you can refrain from replying. You choose yourself to elicit a response from me and then tell me "shut up".
-
Islamo-Aleikum,
Do you say that the co-traveler with Moses was crazy? No not by any means. That person was very wise and taught Moses something about "things are not always as they seem" and patience. It is a lesson in trying to see things from someone else's perspective, which I suspect that you need for what you have called out "shut up" about towards me.
Salaam
-
Islamo-Aleikum,
Do you say that the co-traveler with Moses was crazy? No not by any means. That person was very wise and taught Moses something about "things are not always as they seem" and patience. It is a lesson in trying to see things from someone else's perspective, which I suspect that you need for what you have called out "shut up" about towards me.
Salaam
I know this. And he was very wise for this. But he was also crazy... killing a human for this reason is a bit crazy...
-
Psalms are mentioned in the Quran as Zabur revealed to David. Don't you know this basic thing from the Quran?
Look whos talking,
From Quranic perspective Zabur means A SECTION OF THE BOOK and the Tawrat was a section of the Book of Musa. Zabur is not an Arabic word, it is a Farsi word. You have no basic knowledge of the Quran. I bet you dont even know that the Quran is the 2nd Edition of the Book of Musa?
Let's have a discussion. It was not the Creator that killed the son of the homosexual fathers, it was Khidr - and he was crazy. It's a Sufi narrative that must be understood with a spiritual and esoteric mind. It recounts Khidr and Moses' journey. The son wasn't an infant or a baby, we don't know his age, we just know some youngster - perhaps 17 or 16 years old.
You are confirmed blind follower, where does khidr mentioned???
Fyi, Ghulam means baby boy, another farsi word.
The Prophet Musa was a leader, leading man to the way of ALLAH and not the other way round. The Quran 0544
0544 - I, We sent down the Torah, in it was guidance and light. JUDGE BY IT, THE PROPHETS, those who submit, that is, those who are Jews and the rabbis and learned men of religion with what they WILL PROTECT ALLAH?s Book, and they were witnesses thereto. So do not fear the people but fear ME and do not sell MY verses for a small price. And whoever does not judge by what ALLAH has revealed ? then it is those who are the disbelievers.
The Quranic verse is self explanatory