Does Islam allow homosexuality?
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I dont like to go to weddings and certainly not as a witness. But I have no moral objections to doing such a thing outside that. The wedding ritual as performed today is not one of Gods instructions.
That's "unclear/vague" answer.
I suppose you avoid to answer my question with simple answer YES or NO
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The next link refers to the story of Babur, a descendant of the legendary conquerors Timur Lenk and Dzjengis Khan and who founded the Islamic Mogoldynasty in India.
http//archive.org/stream/baburnama017152mbp/baburnama017152mbp_djvu.txt
Still not convinced this homophobia is not even historically islamic?
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Soccer is not in Quran.
Ducks aren't in Quran.
Internet isn't in Quran.Are you condemning those as well?
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That's "unclear/vague" answer.
I suppose you avoid to answer my question with simple answer YES or NO
My my... No objection means I have no issue to do so, outside my disliking for attending wedding rituals. Rituals aren't Islamic to begin with.
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Btw JavaLatte, your avatar depicting rainbow colors is also known as the gay pride flag. You may want to change your avatar, just saying rotfl
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Btw JavaLatte, your avatar depicting rainbow colors is also known as the gay pride flag.
I know that gay pride flag use rainbow colors.
You may want to change your avatar, just saying rotfl
What make you think that only they who can use rainbow colors? )
You're completely wrong if you think that only gay who can use rainbow colors.
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Well some of the more ignorant people round here may get the impression/be confused you're a lesbian. I assume you wouldn't like that.
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Soccer is not in Quran.
Ducks aren't in Quran.
Internet isn't in Quran.Are you condemning those as well?
Nop! because instead of teaching us how to play man-made games (such as soccer), or how to use man-made things (such as a computer) or what not, Our Master teachs us to be authentic, guard our chastity by avoiding lewdness, AND EMBRACE THE (COMPATIBLE) MATES THAT WERE ASSIGNED TO US (in my case a female).
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God never appointed you to define by yourself what lewdness consists of nor did he appoint you as a judge to decide what compatible mates are outside your own person. The fahisha God refers to has no example whatsoever of being a sexual sin. Maybe homosexuals think what heterosexuals do is lewd. All these subjective considerations are inferior to Gods definition of fahisha in Quran. The fahisha in Quran nowhere speaks about sexual orientation. The only thing you can conclude from that is that lewdness is not exclusive to any sexual orientation but one can act lewd no matter their sexual preference.
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Allah loves diversity. He created diversity Himself. We see this diversity even in nature with the behaviour of animal species. If homosexuality is a sin, then God would be the creator of this sin. If that isn't self-contradicting, I don't know what is. But maybe some here believe this homosexual behaviour among animal species is because they have adopted immoral values. D
Looking at animal behaviour is of course no excuse to justify anything. When a lion kills an antelope, that does not give us permission to just kill anyone. But neither is killing by default a sin. The rules one can find in Quran. Killing is allowed when it's out of self-defense. To fight your oppressor/aggressor.
Sexual preference is no different. It doesn't matter what your preference is. There is no sin in that if you obey the rules Quran gives you. Be loyal, honest, respectful, etc. Be modest. Do not act upon lust alone. These rules in Quran are universal for all races, any sexual orientation and any age category.
The homophobes on this forum seem to think Quran can still be a universal, absolute truth while at the same time excluding LBGT's. There is no absoluteness, no universality left in the reminder if you exclude one group of people to begin with - based only on a trait that is common in nature as God created it.
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http//i.imgur.com/W64vCn1.png
Tynan Power, female-to-male transgender based in Northampton (Massachusetts), progressive Muslim writer, co-coordinator of the Muslim Alliance for Sexual and Gender Diversity, co-chair of the LGBT Muslim Retreat, and founder of the Pioneer Valley Progressive Muslims
"Non-Muslims who believe all Muslims are homophobic are misinformed. Part of the blame is certainly on Western media, which tends to paint all Muslims with a very limited palette. However, part of the responsibility is also on the individual, for not questioning such generalizations. It?s my view that assuming all Muslims are homophobic is, in itself, playing into heterosexism, because it is assuming that all Muslims are heterosexual."
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=NweaKpJRL7w&list=PLlGs5Nm8KLmnjNuZfy6z4_crYJhQXqLjn
'I am gay and muslim' is a documentary by Chris Belloni, visiting Marocco where he talked to 3 homosexual youngsters about their quest for religious and sexual identity.
http//iamgayandmuslim.com/
https//www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4iAGd0jJ0do"While most of you are fighting to earn homosexuals the right of marriage, Syrian liberals are fighting for homosexuals right to exist without harassment and social exclusion. We look forward for a free Syria where love is held as high standard and citizens are granted their freedoms and treated equally regardless of their sexual orientation and preferences. Syrian homosexuals exist in large numbers but often living without expressing their sexuality in fear of both government and religious society prosecution. As a Syrian atheist I know very well how it feels to be prosecuted on religious grounds and offer full support to the 'Just Like You' ' ' campaign that Arab homosexuals have started to demand acceptance of their rights."
-post on Syrian Atheists FBhttps//www.facebook.com/pages/Syrian-Atheists/363191530386710
http//i.imgur.com/o9lC5rc.png
Muhsin Hendricks, 41 years old, imam, Kaapstad
http//theinnercircle.org.za/
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Your arguments are so weak and trivial, that they are almost laughable.
In case you did not notice, animals are intellectually inferior creatures! Thus, comparing Man's (advanced) moral sense with their basic instinct is clearly a moronic approach. Further, as far as the observed evidence is concerned, animal species show a procreation instinct to mate with the opposite sex, except for a few exceptions that may exhibit BIsexual behavior, but whose overall intention cannot be classified as such.
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This topic always gets heated. Homosexuality is against the design of the flesh is all I say personally. On a soul level it would not matter, but however then instincts would not matter for that sake either.
Yet it is fairly redundant to get involved in homosexual pleasure because it is unproductive, but that depends on one's worldliness. Basically any person could twist themselves into being gay. It is stereotypes which prevents most.
Salaam
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Ah, I feel love is in the air (?)
Salaam
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This topic always gets heated. Homosexuality is against the design of the flesh is all I say personally. On a soul level it would not matter, but however then instincts would not matter for that sake either.
Yet it is fairly redundant to get involved in homosexual pleasure because it is unproductive, but that depends on one's worldliness. Basically any person could twist themselves into being gay. It is stereotypes which prevents most.
Salaam
That's your opinion. Since you're not the "pope of Islam" or God we can only take this as your personal opinion. My understanding was this topic is about whether homosexuality is allowed in Islam, so any argumentation should be backed up with Quranic sources. If not, they are just personal opinions and totally irrelevant to this thread.
You say it's redundant because its unproductive. In analogy, a lot of galaxies in this universe are redundant as well as they never produced life or not even stars. Many species got extinct and are not alive anymore. Still God created them. God does not create things that are violating His own system. Your criteria are obviously flawed. Your understanding anyone can be twisted into being gay, is just ridiculous and unscientific. You try that and let us know how it worked. P
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... this topic is about whether homosexuality is allowed in Islam, so any argumentation should be backed up with Quranic sources. If not, they are just personal opinions and totally irrelevant to this thread.
Sigh~
Then, why can't you provide one single (Quranic) evidence in favor of homosexuality !?