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The Paris massacre - Silence as always

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    BeingHuman
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    https//dinmerican.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/stand-up-for-freedom.jpg?w=545

    While the whole world is involved in hot-debates, discussions and finger-pointing with regards to the reasons that lead to the horrific massacre of innocent people in Paris, the Muslim countries see nothing new. Most Muslims could care less, as they have their own problems to deal with.

    http//images.hngn.com/data/images/full/34655/muslims-refuse-to-let-islamic-state-hijack-their-religion.jpg

    Yes, we Muslims do not have to answer to the rest of the world, every single time some group of fanatical nut-cases blow themselves up. But the problem is that every time such a vicious attack takes place, Muslims all over the world are seen as the black-sheep that are the source of all the evil and pain in the world. This is steadily going on for the last few decades at such an alarming rate, that we might soon see a day when the world?s liberals and intellectuals themselves deem it best to 'clean' nations from this diseased religion. I fear for my children's sake, the coming of a new holocaust day, when people would no longer consider Muslims worthy of living. They will see us as being less-human (the war-propaganda machines always manage to dehumanize the enemy), and the Muslim fundamentalists are doing a damn good job to support that view.

    https//s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/1d/75/85/1d7585d046859c78b4bca77e79501cea.jpg

    As rational, logical and progressive Muslims we ourselves need to be clear about what we believe in. Primary among the beliefs that are a pillar of our monotheistic heritage is that every human being is in the image of God. Thus every individual has the right to life, liberty and peace. People can be more or less accomplished or more or less successful, but all are equally deserving of life and dignity.
    The second ideal is freedom. Freedom means more than ?you don?t get to tell me what to do.? Real freedom presupposes a society that both removes obstacles and provides avenues to human flourishing. The fundamentalists who want to force the ?Sharia? that dictates religion, dress, intellectual inquiry and artistic expression are not only violating freedom in a negative sense??you shall not do this because I don?t agree..??but in a positive sense??I shall never allow you to do this!? Freedom is not only the right to close your door, but the chance to open your business or write your book.

    http//ilmfirst.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/terrorism-hijacked-my-religion.jpg

    The third ideal is the solidarity of free people. The spontaneous declaration of our religious stand on every occasion its needed, at every avenue, online, with family/ friends or anywhere else, expresses the real sense of our beliefs to people who would otherwise only see the hatred emanating from this community. Not because we were both attacked, but because we stand for the same things. Dignity, liberty and the voice of those who are living in parts of the world where they can express their concerns (as there are millions of people who cannot do so) are the underlying ideals with which we confront the enemies of civilization.
    I conclude with what Martin Luther King said ?If a man has not discovered something that he will die for, he isn?t fit to live.?

    https//media.licdn.com/mpr/mpr/jc/AAEAAQAAAAAAAACjAAAAJDExMjdmZTQ0LWJjZjQtNDliYS05ZDY5LTFmNWExNjMyMDhmMA.png

    (with excerpts from time.com/4116076/paris-attacks-beliefs/?xid=homepage )

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      Neptin
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      Are you being bothered over the massacre? I am not and i don't believe i owe anyone an apology, neither am i obligated to apologize or condemn the attack. What France witnessed is no different from what Nigerians suffer at the hand of Boko Haram, neither is it any different from what Iraqis, Kurds, Palestinians or Syrians.

      Additionally, i will like to point out that most terrorist attacks in the West were arguably staged, you will be utterly blown away by conspiracy theories on the 9/11, 07/07, and the recent Paris attack. I am still digging on this, and i will advice any one seeking the truth to do the same. Somethings are entirely different from the way they appear.

      See this
      https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7Sf6OZVd-A

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        "Terrorism hijacked my religion" LMAO!!!!!!!!

        Religion hijacks and terrorism are the symptoms of the hijacking.I'd love to know which verse in the Quran GOD orders that woman to wrap a piece of cloth around her head. This cannot be Bukhari and Co's laws, can it? Muslims are having an identity crisis. Their good side tells them that this is wrong but their brainwashed minds keeps them in the herded sheep they're in.
        The days of the Bukharian filth known as "Islam" are numbered. They hijacked the Quran, the last revelation. They're cursed.

        I don't advocate for violence but I cannot stand sectarianism. GOD willing, Islam will come to and end without violence. Zionism is next on the list.
        It's time to dump sectarianism, close down Israel and that stupid cube in Mecca as well as that stupid black stone they kiss for forgiveness. Without Islam and Judaism, there would be no Islamism, Zionism or any of that crap. These may not be the only problems now but they are certainly the biggest ones.

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          Are you being bothered over the massacre? I am not and i don't believe i owe anyone an apology, neither am i obligated to apologize or condemn the attack. What France witnessed is no different from what Nigerians suffer at the hand of Boko Haram, neither is it any different from what Iraqis, Kurds, Palestinians or Syrians.

          Additionally, i will like to point out that most terrorist attacks in the West were arguably staged, you will be utterly blown away by conspiracy theories on the 9/11, 07/07, and the recent Paris attack. I am still digging on this, and i will advice any one seeking the truth to do the same. Somethings are entirely different from the way they appear.

          See this
          https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7Sf6OZVd-A

          Islamists and Zionists come hand in hand. Zionists provide the guns, bombs and ammunition and the Islamists pull the trigger. Islamists are as real and dangerous as the Zionists. Putting all the blame on the Zionists isn't smart. Zionists didn't hijack the Quran, spread false interpretations of it, uphold hadith books and lie about Muhammad claiming he married a six year old child and fucked her when she was 9.
          They are real and they will kill you.
          https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzokfNxksK0

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            Additionally, i will like to point out that most terrorist attacks in the West were arguably staged, you will be utterly blown away by conspiracy theories on the 9/11, 07/07, and the recent Paris attack. I am still digging on this, and i will advice any one seeking the truth to do the same. Somethings are entirely different from the way they appear.

            Arguably staged? Of course they were staged. Any reasonable and informed person would come to that conclusion. It's only the morons who are fed hourly doses of mainstream propaganda that would think otherwise.

            This is Operation GLADIO 2.0

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              Neptin
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              Islamists and Zionists come hand in hand. Zionists provide the guns, bombs and ammunition and the Islamists pull the trigger. Islamists are as real and dangerous as the Zionists. Putting all the blame on the Zionists isn't smart. Zionists didn't hijack the Quran, spread false interpretations of it, uphold hadith books and lie about Muhammad claiming he married a six year old child and fucked her when she was 9.
              They are real and they will kill you.
              https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzokfNxksK0

              True words, i am not in any way downplaying the role of the Islamists in this. Rather, i just believe the root of the attack is not as simple as most people read it.

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                Neptin
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                Arguably staged? Of course they were staged. Any reasonable and informed person would come to that conclusion. It's only the morons who are fed hourly doses of mainstream propaganda that would think otherwise.

                This is Operation GLADIO 2.0

                I used the line 'arguably staged' because i have not reached full certainty, i don't want to draw conclusions based on only conspiracy theories, i require witnesses or testimonies to reach full certainty

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                  Osman
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                  I used the line 'arguably staged' because i have not reached full certainty, i don't want to draw conclusions based on only conspiracy theories, i require witnesses or testimonies to reach full certainty

                  Of course, and I'm confident once you've looked through all the information at hand you will come to a similar conlcusion. These may help

                  https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLHVQUTrgvM

                  http//www.luogocomune.net/site/modules/sections/index.php?op=viewarticle&artid=167

                  And finally, for all those 'skeptics' 53 ADMITTED staged terrorist false flag attacks

                  http//www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/02/x-admitted-false-flag-attacks.html

                  All the best in your investigation Neptin.

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                    True words, i am not in any way downplaying the role of the Islamists in this. Rather, i just believe the root of the attack is not as simple as most people read it.

                    However if we want to look at root causes, it all goes back to Jewish radicalism aka Zionism.

                    96% of the world's media is controlled by 6 Zionist companies. All of these wars can be traced back to creating mayhem to keep the Northern European colony in the Middle East in tact.

                    Israel will fall, it may take 20 years, it may take 50 years, but it will fall. Even the CIA predicts it.

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                      "Terrorism hijacked my religion" LMAO!!!!!!!!

                      Religion hijacks and terrorism are the symptoms of the hijacking.I'd love to know which verse in the Quran GOD orders that woman to wrap a piece of cloth around her head. This cannot be Bukhari and Co's laws, can it? Muslims are having an identity crisis. Their good side tells them that this is wrong but their brainwashed minds keeps them in the herded sheep they're in.
                      The days of the Bukharian filth known as "Islam" are numbered. They hijacked the Quran, the last revelation. They're cursed.

                      lol, you said what I wanted to say. That pic of woman is the irony.
                      Hijab hijacked my religion.
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                      Arrogance and politics hijacked the Muslims forcing them to hijack others to turn them into shia and sunni who then hijacked peace and love followed by the minds of zionists who then hijacked both the sects to hijack the liberty of all humans for the sake of New World Order.

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                        Religion hijacks and terrorism are the symptoms of the hijacking.I'd love to know which verse in the Quran GOD orders that woman to wrap a piece of cloth around her head. This cannot be Bukhari and Co's laws, can it? Muslims are having an identity crisis. Their good side tells them that this is wrong but their brainwashed minds keeps them in the herded sheep they're in.

                        I think you're looking for 2431

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                          Neptin
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                          I think you're looking for 2431

                          No, "draw your khimar over your bosom" is different from "draw your khimar over your head". Khimar is not headcovering, it is a scarf or muffler which may cover the hair or expose the hair depending on the choice of the wearer.

                          I also don't like when beardos or hijabis are repeatedly chosen as cover person when the media discuss Islam like in the above article but i have to deal with it because these doctrines are too mainstream within Muslim community and any divertion from it may offend the mainstream Muslims who may feel their faith is not adequately represented. The media plays by political correctness.

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                            I think you're looking for 2431

                            WITHOUT mental gymnastics, provide a verse from the Quran where Allah commands women to wrap a cover AROUND their HEADS and NOT show their HAIR.
                            The Quran is a guide and Allah does not beat around the bush when he commands something. Approaching the Quran with a sectarian mindset is as useless as reading hadith books.

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                              but i have to deal with it because these doctrines are too mainstream within Muslim community and any divertion from it may offend the mainstream Muslims who may feel their faith is not adequately represented.

                              The reason why they get offended and upset is because it destroys their false world of monotheism and righteousness. Beards, Middle Eastern clothing, 5 daily rituals, wudhu, kissing a black stone to get sins forgiven in hajj, worship a stone cube, wear burqa and cover their hair gives them the illusion righteousness. It is this illusion of righteousness that keeps them in the herd of sheep they're in.
                              They'd rather follow Bukhari and Co than what Allah has revealed to them. Deaf, dumb and blind. They have hijacked the Quran.

                              When they are told, "Follow what Allah has revealed herein," they say, "We follow only what we found our parents doing." Even though their parents had no sense,nor were they guided?

                              "They are like cattle,- nay more misguided for they are heedless."

                              Muslims are lost. Their false world won't exist forever though. It is pulled down at death and they realise the illusion they were in. At that time, it'll be too late to make a difference. The very Quran they recite at least 5 times a day and have hijacked speaks of them.

                              In Falsehood will they be Until, when death comes to one of them, he says "O my Lord! send me back (to life),-

                              (And if you only could see when the criminals shall hang their heads before their Lord (saying) "Our Lord! We have now seen and heard, so send us back, that we will do righteous good deeds. Verily, we now believe with certainty.'&#039 (3212), However, they will get no response. Then when they see the Fire and they are held over it and they look at the punishments therein, they will ask even more fervently than before to go back, but they will get no response.

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                                Invalid777
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                                lol, you said what I wanted to say. That pic of woman is the irony.
                                Hijab hijacked my religion.
                                More in line
                                Arrogance and politics hijacked the Muslims forcing them to hijack others to turn them into shia and sunni who then hijacked peace and love followed by the minds of zionists who then hijacked both the sects to hijack the liberty of all humans for the sake of New World Order.

                                bravo

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                                  mmmm
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                                  WITHOUT mental gymnastics, provide a verse from the Quran where Allah commands women to wrap a cover AROUND their HEADS and NOT show their HAIR.

                                  The Quran is a guide and Allah does not beat around the bush when he commands something. Approaching the Quran with a sectarian mindset is as useless as reading hadith books.

                                  I agree with the second sentence. I will not say it is ordered just because I'm not sure of the translation etc. but I never got an answer from the people from this forum and I am honestly asking please let me know what adornment you will show to your father and brother that you cannot show to your neighbour?

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                                    In fact what that aya tells women is for the benefit of women, not for any other's benefit. And there is a DIFFERENCE between "showing", "exhibiting" and merely wearing. It does not say dress so that such and suchh part are not seen, nothing laike that, it says "do not show" (la yubdina) do not make a show of your atractions, whaever they may be, because it is not said, but the point is that it is not an isntruction as to what you can wear or not but as to HOW you shold behave. That is why later on in the aya exlains saying somethig about striking the legs or certain ways of walking, because it is no t a matter of aparell or clothes but of behaviour. As sustained in other ayas in the Qur'an, clothes are for comfort and good appearance. Not for selling oneself.

                                    It is a fact that women have for a long time been traded and been trading based on their good looks, that was their main venue of attaining to better standing in life. Beauty has been the main asset, at least the recognized main asset up till now to get ahead in life. Obviously that is not the kind of socity that the Qur'an promotes, where women are for show. Please notice that in the aya women are told amongs those in front of whom they should notmake a show of their attractiveness, women who are not of their family or close circle. So it is not a matter of not attracting men, but something else. So it says also cover your breasts, which upto now are also an element of standing for women, if not officially, most certainlly unofficially.

                                    That part of aya 24.31 is there to protect women from falling into the trap of their own physical apearance as a matter of "moral duty" (you must be beautiful or desirable) for them and as an asset of asserting themselves socially.

                                    So look good and in your clothes or apparell yes, show them off, no. If God meant somethign else, as has already been pointed out, He does not strain for words.

                                    Salaam

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                                      The reason why they get offended and upset is because it destroys their false world of monotheism and righteousness. Beards, Middle Eastern clothing, 5 daily rituals, wudhu, kissing a black stone to get sins forgiven in hajj, worship a stone cube, wear burqa and cover their hair gives them the illusion righteousness. It is this illusion of righteousness that keeps them in the herd of sheep they're in.
                                      They'd rather follow Bukhari and Co than what Allah has revealed to them. Deaf, dumb and blind. They have hijacked the Quran.

                                      When they are told, "Follow what Allah has revealed herein," they say, "We follow only what we found our parents doing." Even though their parents had no sense,nor were they guided?

                                      "They are like cattle,- nay more misguided for they are heedless."

                                      Muslims are lost. Their false world won't exist forever though. It is pulled down at death and they realise the illusion they were in. At that time, it'll be too late to make a difference. The very Quran they recite at least 5 times a day and have hijacked speaks of them.

                                      In Falsehood will they be Until, when death comes to one of them, he says "O my Lord! send me back (to life),-

                                      (And if you only could see when the criminals shall hang their heads before their Lord (saying) "Our Lord! We have now seen and heard, so send us back, that we will do righteous good deeds. Verily, we now believe with certainty.'&#039 (3212), However, they will get no response. Then when they see the Fire and they are held over it and they look at the punishments therein, they will ask even more fervently than before to go back, but they will get no response.

                                      What do you have against 5 daily ritual prayers?

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                                        there is no solution without thoroughly rejecting the books based arab customs which were used to hijack mecca and the quran

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                                          What do you have against 5 daily ritual prayers?

                                          Provide a verse in the Quran where Allah orders you to perform 5 daily rituals. Remember, Quran is a guide and not a puzzle game and Allah doesn't beat around the bush. Would it really make any sense for Allah to not be explicit in such important matters regarding salat? Would it make sense for Allah to not be clear about Mecca instead of calling it Bakkah? Would it make any sense for Allah not to be clear about and let alone mention the so called stone cube in Mecca? The forgiving black stone that is kissed in hajj for forgiveness? The magical holy zamzam water?
                                          If this stone cube is holy and five daily rituals are to be performed, please provide a verse in the Quran telling you it is. Please provide these verses without performing mental gymnastics.

                                          Muslims are cursed. They have placed creation(a stone cube) between them and the Creator during their worship. They mention dead people and greet invisible beings in their worship. You do not need sticks, stones or humans to worship your Creator. You do not need 5 daily pagan rituals to worship your Creator. Allah is closer to you than your jugular vein. Allah is always there for you. Allah is all you need because there is nothing but Allah. Allah is he, whom all knowledge originates from. The Source of Knowledge. It makes no sense for the Creator to require the assistance of his own creation, Bukhari and Co or a stone cube.

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