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There's plenty of dry earth abound in London and New York what you talking about bro.
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Britain is over two thirds Inceptisols. This is what it looks like.
http//www.cals.uidaho.edu/soilorders/i/Alf_02b.jpgAnd this is what beach sand looks like in Britain.
https//www.travelnation.co.uk/sites/default/files/styles/780x520/public/brighton_beach_turns_to_sand2.jpg?itok=S3q7VcJmUnless you live near a beach, there's no way you can clean yourself with dry earth. The soil here does NOT clean you. It makes you dirtier, not cleaner. Unless of course, you want to look like a tramp.
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Hello,
Supposedly you can find dry sand to use to wipe a surface of the body in order to remove dirt, but I wonder about its deeper cleansing properties?
Even if you are careful, does it not leave particles of dirt (the sand) on your skin?
Ah well, everything people do to defend some silly rituals.
Be safe
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But at least middle eastern people is also not excluded from the Qur'an are they?
And sand, after water is not such scarce commodity aftera all anywhere.
Salaam
The same scum who hijacked the Quran came from that part of the world. Every interpretation of the Quran seems to go their way. It's no wonder it tells you to wipe dry soil to clean yourself. Dry soil isn't available everywhere. Every human should move to a beach or the Middle East.
Also, the stone cube in Mecca. Imagine living in Hawaii in the 7th century and being told to go for hajj. You'd die before you even reached Mecca. Yet we're told that Allah doesn't wish hardship on us. Quran only seems to benefit Middle Easterners.
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Also, the stone cube in Mecca. Imagine living in Hawaii in the 7th century and being told to go for hajj. You'd die before you even reached Mecca. Yet we're told that Allah doesn't wish hardship on us. Quran only seems to benefit Middle Easterners.
Back then, the middle easterners doesn't even aware that Hawaii or even pacific ocean exist )
They didn't even aware the entire size of the earth, they think the earth is flat.
If they do, they will address that properly and wrote more careful and properly well thought verses when they were compiling the Quran. -
If they do, they will address that properly and wrote more careful and properly well thought verses when they were compiling the Quran.
Or they do not even write anything but just say the verses say something else instead, like they did the first time.
Be safe
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Or they do not even write anything but just say the verses say something else instead, like they did the first time.
Be safe
AmenuelI would say there are OTHER VERSES who said something else.
The "pattern" is quite common to be found in the bible bundle, gospel and quran.
I don't believe all or any of them are 100% "Godly inspired".
Human with their vested interest always tried to add something.. or delete something (which not suitable to their own liking)Yet the are 'defense mechanism' from 'human manipulation'.. consist of two layers.
1st layer is inside the entire bundle itself, that's why there are conflicting verses.. one said A the other said B which makes A illogical.
2nd layer is outside of the bundle itself, that's by comparing the statement of the verse with known facts / reality.
There is no such thing as "Final Revelation" or "Revelation has ended".
Revelation is a continuing process up until now..
As time progress, human knows more, being revealed more by their Maintainer..
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The "pattern" is quite common to be found in the bible bundle, gospel and quran.
I don't believe all or any of them are 100% "Godly inspired".
Human with their vested interest always tried to add something.. or delete something (which not suitable to their own liking)It is not utterly important, because the conveyed information, what you become taught in form of pedagogy and psychology is more important than Quran as a "law book" and a book of threats as the mainstream interpretation, but the people you mention did not have to bother writing anything because with Quran they just took a finished compilation and then interpreted at their own will.
You can learn everything there is to know about faith from the Biblical Gospels without even touching Quran, but the most important is that you improve your own spirituality in pace with it. And if you are truly looking, you could get your answers without any scripture, but you only have to open your mind. Some kind of background information can aid a person's cause though, excluding the biased interpretations. I call the Biblical Gospels better as guidance than Quran as usually interpreted.
People should ditch the religious doctrines and get the point that Mr. Jesus tried to make instead, i.e. that people should shun the World and "Satan". Satan is easy to logically deduce to be the instinct if they read Jesus' responses. Jesus was teaching about "separation of the Spirit from the Flesh" which is easy to understand with a little insight. The faith is closer to East Asian faiths than your typical Abrahamic faiths with excessive worship.
There is no such thing as "Final Revelation" or "Revelation has ended".
Revelation is a continuing process up until now..Quran does not say anything about final revelation or whatever. It does claim to be a manifestation. Isaiah speaks of it in Isaiah 816 and it is referred to as a record containing a sealed instruction when it has been "folded", among a lot of riddle-like passages that I have worked on interpreting.
Jesus was also reading from some source which they were astonished with his interpretation. Quran is a similar phenomenon. It was part of a prophecy. People who are already familiar could throw Quran behind their back because Quran confirms a Buddhist/Gnostic lifestyle a'la Jesus. Popular Judaism, Islam (which is however a form of Judaism) and Christianity missed the point in what the prophets taught. Judaism, aka Islam, did not even accept what Jesus taught and had "forgotten" what Moses REALLY taught ("I am who I am" should ring a bell). In fact Islam can be said to be "the empire strikes back" due to Gnostic ideals and early Christianity which drowned either by persecution of the Roman Empire or the Muslim barbarians with Persian clerics backing it all up. People were not allowed to associate themselves with God as is the greatest sin in Pharisee Judaism and this is what happened after John the Baptist and Jesus. Jesus taught people "to be in the Father and the Father in them" (i.e. no separation of God necessary). That caused the Pharisee (Pagan) Rabbis to boil.
Revelation can indeed continue also today 2015. I have heard "Quran has never been interpreted. Islam is not My religion" (without joking), among other things. God's presence is not restricted to 600-700 AD if that is what people think.
As time progress, human knows more, being revealed more by their Maintainer..
Thus falsehood (on any sources) shall be exposed...Yes definitely. Exposing Quran is exactly what I am devoted to right now, by its own revelation.
How Quran has turned out to be has made the Biblical Gospels much more authentic because Quran confirms the Gospels which came earlier, i.e. the model of spirituality and the "To be Who Is is to be Such Who is" in "I am in the Father and the Father in me" manner.
Be safe
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But at least middle eastern people is also not excluded from the Qur'an are they?
And sand, after water is not such scarce commodity aftera all anywhere.
Salaam
I don't even know what the contention is here, I kind of tuned in and out intermittently.
I live the in the UK Invalid777 and you can get dry earth in London. Your chart is all well and fancy but the earth in the UK really isn't that different to the earth in Turkey, Iraq, Morocco, Greece, USA - think we have a classic case of nitpicking.
What is the argument here? That the Qur'an is being stupid asking for people to make tayammum?
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You can learn everything there is to know about faith from the Biblical Gospels without even touching Quran, but the most important is that you improve your own spirituality in pace with it. And if you are truly looking, you could get your answers without any scripture, but you only have to open your mind. Some kind of background information can aid a person's cause though, excluding the biased interpretations. I call the Biblical Gospels better as guidance than Quran as usually interpreted.
Certainly, many people received guidance without any books.
The entire notion of "God(s) authored a book" was started by Ancient Egyptian.
Dogmatized as such in order to make revenue from selling the "God's authored book".
Inside it contains many things which is impossible to believe (or prove), thus the argument that "it was coming from God" will silence all the questioning.The first "God's authored book" titled "Book of the dead" was put for sale at around $200,000 if it's in today US dollar. Or about 4 years salary of highly ranked Ancient Egyptian's government official.
Not all people can buy it..
Yet the priest cannot make so many copies of such "God's authored book" either, due to non existence of Printing Press, everything need to be written and drawn manually.
However, the Ancient Egyptian priest did make a lot of money from it..The Ancient Egyptian priest has same motive as why Abraham's father invented a lot of myths and idols... to make a living.
People should ditch the religious doctrines and get the point that Mr. Jesus tried to make instead, i.e. that people should shun the World and "Satan". Satan is easy to logically deduce to be the instinct if they read Jesus' responses. Jesus was teaching about "separation of the Spirit from the Flesh" which is easy to understand with a little insight. The faith is closer to East Asian faiths than your typical Abrahamic faiths with excessive worship.
Definitely, now I'm starting to realize that the Eastern Asian tradition (Dharmic line of thought) makes more sense compared to their western counterpart.
And they don't have any "holy book" or claimed that the book was written by God.Quran does not say anything about final revelation or whatever.
Agree, revelation is still continuing up until now..
However this lead to another question
WHY DID SOMEONE CAME UP WITH THE IDEA OF FINAL REVELATION?
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why do you need soil when there is water?
and invalid777, if youre problem is finding soil, then just buy some and save it so as to reuse it if you dont have water.
Can you tell me where there is lack of water? anywhere in the world. Oh right, there are som places ; Deserts.
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'Undoubtedly, my prayer, and my sacrifices, and my living and my dying are all for Allah Who is theLord of all the worlds.'
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why do you need soil when there is water?
and invalid777, if youre problem is finding soil, then just buy some and save it so as to reuse it if you dont have water.
Can you tell me where there is lack of water? anywhere in the world. Oh right, there are som places ; Deserts.
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'Undoubtedly, my prayer, and my sacrifices, and my living and my dying are all for Allah Who is theLord of all the worlds.'
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Still didn't provide me with a verse on how people with no limbs are to perform the so called "wudu" ritual and the physical salat.
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Hello brother Jafar,
Certainly, many people received guidance without any books.
Yes, but you must agree that sometimes books say something quite wise, even if it is taken from "holy books" such as the Biblical Gospels?
The Ancient Egyptian priest has same motive as why Abraham's father invented a lot of myths and idols... to make a living.
It has not ended there. The Pharisee clergy had high ranks within their society and while the people abstained, these hypocrites feasted in the shadows when no one was looking and they had many "exceptions" for themselves. I also wonder why only a priest class was allowed to enter specific parts of the temple hint hint. So much falsehood and greed.
Definitely, now I'm starting to realize that the Eastern Asian tradition (Dharmic line of thought) makes more sense compared to their western counterpart.
And they don't have any "holy book" or claimed that the book was written by God.I agree with you. What is cool however is that Jesus' life as portrayed by the Biblical Gospels is very much like their model of spirituality yet Christians, who mainly claim to adhere to the message, are more concerned with materialism and superficial worship (which the God has never prescribed anyway). Have you ever reflected upon that Jesus actively tries to diminish the obsession with God, rarely even using the term in his alleged sayings and boosts the confidence of being "I AM", even associating yourself with the phenomenon of God which he prefers to call 'Father' with all right. You can see similar ideas like in Hinduism and being complete in Brahman. Similarly, non-obsessed with an entity, is Jesus and Jesus works on actually being the entity in union. He is like a wise Buddha (which means "enlightened" in the tongue very identical to nabi in Arabic) and surely would not have liked to have been worshiped after he gave up the Spirit in the Body. Worship is a damned curse. Probably fueled by the instinct.
However, I like books and I like to interpret them myself rather than listening to someone else who has. It paid off for me. Quran looks like a Gnostic writing. It is yielding me wisdom. However like you say, to define something as holy is probably to take it too far, it causes the risk of tunnel-vision to have a unique holy scripture. Besides, there is clear evidence that Quran is not at 100% integrity even taking it once was an intact revelation, just see the Sana'a manuscripts. The word holy comes from whole, and if something is not 100% integrity it is not whole, i.e. holy.
Agree, revelation is still continuing up until now..
However this lead to another question
WHY DID SOMEONE CAME UP WITH THE IDEA OF FINAL REVELATION?
What are his or their motive of doing such?Perhaps interpretation acrobatics of linguistics. In English, last can either refer to the previous one in a succession or the final one, even if literally it would say nothing whether it is a permanent stop. Perchance similar ignorance can have caused a confusion between final versus the last. Quran is claimed to say that "Muhammad is a messenger and the seal of prophets", which virtually everyone interprets as "termination" or "end", but personally I take the seal as the brand or something like "circle of prophets".
Kh-Ta-Miim = To seal/stamp/imprint/impress, to secure/protect oneself against a thing, produce an impression or effect upon a thing, reach the end of a thing, cover over a thing, turn away/avoid/shun someone or something, to not understand, prevent the heart from believing, feign heedlessness.
Why would that man Muhammad be the last prophet anyway? Cannot anyone else become insightful (the word nabi means literally insightful)? I think it is quite easy to be a nabi actually but harder to perfect yourself. It is easier to talk and learn than do it in practice with yourself.
It is harder to be a 'Rasuul' in Arabic in that case which is an object of imitation, like a beacon, but even there for the ardent person there are possibilities. It is the will to join the power of 'Who Is' that puts the limitations. One is not born to be one either but it is a role you grow into. People who looked for real lexical definitions for rasuul did not look enough. If you help someone accomplish something you can be a rasuul, such as teach to play a guitar or sing. But it takes that you live as you teach if you are a spiritual rasuul, one who teaches to be 'Who Is'.
The idea of final revelation is because Muhammad is deemed the last prophet and only a prophet writes revelations.
I would be bold and claim no one knows Muhammad anyway. There has never been any man called Muhammad with the traditional characteristics in God's service. No man would be so unrighteous in that kind of service. Jesus would have shaken his head.
I think Muhammad was invented by the Persian clerics who took the opportunity to abuse Quran for their own purpose. In all that they wrote hadith so they had a little fairy tale connected to it, a background of a great warlord named Muhammad, entirely contrary (for some reason) to what Jesus taught as according to Gospels. I think I do not even know a prophet that is so portrayed as being so merciless. "Kill them wherever you find them". KILL KILL KILL, the word KILL is repeatedly used (as interpreted) so many times you wonder what kind of madman made it. "But if they are not associators (the word mushrik literally means this) then you can spare them when they Pagan worship our deity with exactly our ritual which "Allah" commanded us to do even if we never had any explicit manual and in our holy scripture its details are scattered all over it vaguely describing its practice". (I hope you enjoy the irony with an edge of sarcasm)
Be safe
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Yes, but you must agree that sometimes books say something quite wise, even if it is taken from "holy books" such as the Biblical Gospels?
Of course..
Actually the claim that it was "Authored by God" plus the "Threat" that "If you don't believe this you will be tortured for all eternity".. actually makes it dubious..
I can't imagine the true God to be so 'childish' of not being able to handle "bad review" from the reader..I'm talking about "holy books" in general..
That's why I doubted that it was really "The True God" who wrote such materials..
I rephrase that I'm CERTAIN that it was not "The True God" who wrote such materials..A book (or the person) doesn't need to claimed to be "Authored or Inspired by God" to tell insightful or inspiring concept.
The truth just need to be told... and it will spread (by itself) like wildfire..
That's why those who "have something to hide" (Kufr) fears it the most... and tried to 'silenced' those who dare to speak up.
?If the people of this religion are asked about the proof for the soundness of their religion, they flare up, get angry and spill the blood of whoever confronts them with this question. They forbid rational speculation, and strive to kill their adversaries. This is why truth became thoroughly silenced and concealed.?
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Still didn't provide me with a verse on how people with no limbs are to perform the so called "wudu" ritual and the physical salat.
I'll give you a clue, there isn't one, which is why he didn't give you the verse
Don't get me wrong Invalid777, I think you've made some very good points. You raised a good question earlier around the Qur'an not covering every circumstance for all human beings so is it wrong for not doing so or are we wrong for nitpicking and not using our own brains and thinking 'Clearly people with no arms and legs are absolved' etc.
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If the Qur'an were to take the place of peoples' common sense ornatural inelligence or whatever, obviously a single handy book like it is now would not be nearly enough at all, we would need alibrary may be as big as the earth itself. But we do have the earth itself and our own brains, so why have libraries to do twice the same job,since beside,being things as they are we have evenpersonalised attentionthanks to the fact that each person has its own brain?
Let us not forget that the Qur'an and the prophets are reminders, not replacements for brains or anything else.
Salaam
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If the Qur'an were to take the place of peoples' common sense ornatural inelligence or whatever, obviously a single handy book like it is now would not be nearly enough at all, we would need alibrary may be as big as the earth itself. But we do have the earth itself and our own brains, so why have libraries to do twice the same job,since beside,being things as they are we have evenpersonalised attentionthanks to the fact that each person has its own brain?
Let us not forget that the Qur'an and the prophets are reminders, not replacements for brains or anything else.
Salaam
That's a very good argument for one side of the debate huruf.
Quran 822
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I'll give you a clue, there isn't one, which is why he didn't give you the verse
Don't get me wrong Invalid777, I think you've made some very good points. You raised a good question earlier around the Qur'an not covering every circumstance for all human beings so is it wrong for not doing so or are we wrong for nitpicking and not using our own brains and thinking 'Clearly people with no arms and legs are absolved' etc.
The Quran claims to be a guide. For such an important matter like salat, there's isn't a single step-by-step explanation of how to do a physical ritual(not even for disabled people). So take a pick Osman. Either Quran is incomplete without Bukhari & Co or there is NO SUCH THING as a physical ritual called salat that the Bukharian cult known as Islam claims. So why does the Quran give a step-by-step explanation of how to perform a nameless cleaning ritual which Islam falsely labels as "wudu" and not a step-by-step explanation for salat? The interpretation of 56 is baseless and silly. Quran teaches you how to perform "wudu" but not salat. Like trying to teach someone how to drive in a car that doesn't have a steering wheel.
For this reason, I cannot accept the interpretation of 56. It is illogical to claim that salat is a physical ritual, get "wudu" from Quran and the Physical ritual from the hadith books of the Bukharian pagan cult of Islam
Since you seem to be answering my questions and not dodging them like some in this thread have done, I have a few more questions.
What relevance does the stone cube in Mecca have in the Quran? Is there any Quranic evidence that Abraham and his son built a stone cube and found a stone that fell from paradise? Is there any Quranic evidence that this stone forgives sins when it is kissed and turned black because of all the sins people committed?For such an important place like Mecca, where hajj and Umrah is performed and where the infamous stone cube is worshipped, why is there only one mention of it in the Quran? Let's just assume that Bakkah is Mecca, is it because Allah couldn't get the name of such an important and holy place right?
This is the only verse in the Quran where Mecca is mentioned.
"And it is He who withheld their hands from you and your hands from them within Makkah after He caused you to overcome them. And ever is Allah of what you do, Seeing." 4824Without applying mental gymnastics, where in this verse does Allah tell you that Makkah is a holy place, contains a stone cube, a forgiving black stone and holy zamzam water? Where in this verse does Allah tell you that a stone cube is to be worshipped? Does Allah require the assistance of his own creation(a stone cube) in order for his creation to worship him? Can Allah not send a GUIDE which tells us how to perform a physical ritual called salat without the help of Bukhari & Co? Did Allah suddenly forget to include a step-by-step explanation on a physical ritual called salat but remembers to include one for a nameless cleaning ritual? Does that make any sense?
I reject the stone cube in Mecca, The Bukharian pagan rituals known as salat and hajj by the pagan cult of Islam, the forgiving black stone, the magical zamzam water and the pagan interpretations of the Quran. Quran has been hijacked by Islam. Islam can go to hell.
I may sound like a kaffir to many people in this forum but I could not care less. These people follow nothing but conjecture. They don't wish to step outside the herd of sheep they were born into. I stand by the decisions and comments I've made and will continue to do so until The Source Of Knowledge guides me to a better understanding.
Peace
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Quran 822
"Indeed, the worst of living creatures in the sight of Allah are the deaf and dumb who do not use reason."Deaf and dumb like these. http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607891.msg378792#msg378792