:: Why do you believe that alQuraan is sent down from Allah? ::
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Many years ago, I tried to prove God exists, but I could not prove it or I was not convinced.
When I tried to prove that God does not exist, I came to believe there was and is a God, it can only be one.Many years passed, I tried to prove that the Quran is from God, but I could not and still cannot.
If there is a cancer curing medicine, and if you want me to prove it can cure cancer, I can only do so by giving it to a cancer patient and seeing the improvement. If you want me to prove the effectiveness of the medicine without testing it on patient, but only based on chemical formula, you need to be very highly skilled and very knowledgeable biochemist to understand it. Testing the medicine on a number of cancer patients may not convince you of its effectiveness totally and not known side effects does not mean it does not have side effect. In a similar way, it is impossible to prove Quran, word for word, totally and without any doubt, being from God. We, all humans put together, do not have sufficient knowledge to prove it. To prove it, you need an evidence to every single statement, that is an infinite number of evidences to prove it beyond doubt. But to reject it, you only need one evidence.
If one wants to convince himself of Quran being from God, he could follow Quran to test it and live by it. Still there is no end to the testing. More positive evidences do not mean there is no negative ones, and hearts will not contend and doubts will remain. So one can try to find just one evidence to refute it, or even better try to a write a book or chapter similar to it. Most hearts will accept with peace when it fails to find even one single evidence to reject something. So you can ask your friend to prove that the Quran is not from God.
One does not need to prove every word of Quran is true and from God. One only needs to know there is one God, and live a righteous life. One finds himself turning evil when he always try to be the best person among. Debating on every single verse of Quran, wanting to be the best interpreter or holder of truth may lead a person astray too. If you believed you have seen or understood or exposed to an open evidence of God and thought there will never be any doubt in your faith, think again, Satan believes in God beyond doubt, and was in much better place than anyone of us here.
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Divides? I am sorry but how exactly does he divide the community when that community had a history bad misdeeds. Plus he doesn't force you, i never seen a verse saying that the prophet must cause a inner community conflict.
A prophet demands that people believe in him. Those who don't believe in him are called disbelievers. Now you have two groups.
Non-believers are evil, sick, enemies of God etc, simply for not believing the prophet. Even if they do good things they will still go to hell. 572, 385 etc.
This type of language is hateful and dangerous, sadly it has made come back in politics and you can see the affects.
Don't you ever wonder why Quran needs to use such hateful language. Is God so tiny and vain that he needs to insult his own creation.
Swap the word disbeliever in Quran with quranist and see how you feel.
Remember Rashad Khalifia, he demanded that people believe in him and Code 19. Those of us who didn't believe what were they called?
Ingrates, blind, ungrateful etc ... for what crime? All the hate that his followers like Edip used to spout was directly from the Quran.
What about you? Do you think Sunni or Shia will go to heaven?
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Non-believers are evil, sick, enemies of God etc, simply for not believing the prophet. Even if they do good things they will still go to hell. 572, 385 etc.
This type of language is hateful and dangerous, sadly it has made come back in politics and you can see the affects.
Don't you ever wonder why Quran needs to use such hateful language. Is God so tiny and vain that he needs to insult his own creation.
Salam/Peace burhan. I happen to check the verses you shown but i happen also to check the verses before and after, here is what i found
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Waddat ta-ifatun min ahli alkitabilaw yudilloonakum wama yudilloona illaanfusahum wama yashAAuroona
A group from the people of the Book wished that they could misguide you, but they only misguide themselves and they do not notice.370
Ya ahla alkitabi limatakfuroona bi-ayati Allahi waantumtashhadoona
"O people of the Book, why do you reject the revelations of God while you are bearing witness?"371
Ya ahla alkitabi limatalbisoona alhaqqa bialbatili wataktumoonaalhaqqa waantum taAAlamoona
"O people of the Book, why do you confound the truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while you know?"372
Waqalat ta-ifatun min ahlialkitabi aminoo biallathee onzilaAAala allatheena amanoo wajha alnnahariwaokfuroo akhirahu laAAallahum yarjiAAoona
And a group from among the people of the Book said "Believe in what was sent down to those who believe during the beginning of the day, and reject it by the end of it, perhaps they will return."373
Wala tu/minoo illa limantabiAAa deenakum qul inna alhuda huda Allahian yu/ta ahadun mithla ma ooteetum aw yuhajjookumAAinda rabbikum qul inna alfadla biyadi Allahiyu/teehi man yashao waAllahu wasiAAunAAaleemun
"And do not believe except in he who follows your system." Say "The guidance is the guidance of God." That anyone should be given similar to what you have been given, or that they debate with you at your Lord. Say "The bounty is in the hand of God, He gives it to whom He chooses, and God is Encompassing, Knowledgeable."374
Yakhtassu birahmatihi man yashaowaAllahu thoo alfadli alAAatheemi
He singles out with His mercy whom He chooses, and God is with Great Bounty.375
Wamin ahli alkitabi man in ta/manhubiqintarin yu-addihi ilayka waminhum man in ta/manhubideenarin la yu-addihi ilayka illa madumta AAalayhi qa-iman thalika bi-annahum qaloolaysa AAalayna fee al-ommiyyeena sabeelun wayaqooloonaAAala Allahi alkathiba wahum yaAAlamoona
And from among the people of the Book are those whom if you entrust him with a large amount he gives it back to you, and there are those whom if you entrust with one gold coin he will not return it to you unless you are standing over him. That is because they said "We have no obligation towards the Gentiles." They say about God lies while they know.376
Bala man awfa biAAahdihi waittaqafa-inna Allaha yuhibbu almuttaqeena
Indeed, anyone who fulfils his pledge and is righteous, then God loves the righteous.377
Inna allatheena yashtaroona biAAahdiAllahi waaymanihim thamanan qaleelan ola-ikala khalaqa lahum fee al-akhirati walayukallimuhumu Allahu wala yanthuruilayhim yawma alqiyamati wala yuzakkeehim walahumAAathabun aleemun
The ones who purchase with the pledge of God and their oaths a cheap price, those will have no portion in the Hereafter, and God will not speak to them, nor will He look at them on the Day of Resurrection, nor will He purify them, and they will have a painful retribution.378
Wa-inna minhum lafareeqan yalwoonaalsinatahum bialkitabi litahsaboohu minaalkitabi wama huwa mina alkitabiwayaqooloona huwa min AAindi Allahi wama huwa minAAindi Allahi wayaqooloona AAala Allahi alkathibawahum yaAAlamoona
And from among them is a group who twist their tongues with the Book so that you may think it is from the Book, while it is not from the Book, and they say it is from God while it is not from God, and they say about God lies while they know.379
Ma kana libasharin anyu/tiyahu Allahu alkitaba waalhukmawaalnnubuwwata thumma yaqoola lilnnasikoonoo AAibadan lee min dooni Allahi walakinkoonoo rabbaniyyeena bima kuntum tuAAallimoonaalkitaba wabima kuntum tadrusoona
It is not for any human being that God would give him the Book and the authority and the prophethood, then he would say to the people "Be servants to me rather than God!" Rather "Be Devotees for what you have been taught of the Book, and of what you have studied."380
Wala ya/murakum an tattakhithooalmala-ikata waalnnabiyyeena arbabanaya/murukum bialkufri baAAda ith antum muslimoona
Nor does He order you that you take the controllers and the prophets as patrons. Would He order you to rejection after you have submitted?381
Wa-ith akhatha Allahumeethaqa alnnabiyyeena lama ataytukummin kitabin wahikmatin thumma jaakumrasoolun musaddiqun lima maAAakum latu/minunna bihiwalatansurunnahu qala aaqrartum waakhathtumAAala thalikum isree qaloo aqrarnaqala faishhadoo waana maAAakum mina alshshahideena
And God took a covenant from the prophets "For what I have given you of the Book and wisdom, then a messenger will come to you authenticating what is with you. You will believe in him and support him." He said "Do you testify, and agree to this burden?" They said "We testify." He said "Then bear witness, and I am with you bearing witness."382
Faman tawalla baAAda thalikafaola-ika humu alfasiqoona
Whoever turns away after that, then they are the wicked.383
Afaghayra deeni Allahi yabghoonawalahu aslama man fee alssamawati waal-arditawAAan wakarhan wa-ilayhi yurjaAAoona
Is it other than the system of God that they desire, when those in the heavens and the earth have submitted to Him voluntarily or by force? And to Him they will be returned.384
Qul amanna biAllahiwama onzila AAalayna wama onzila AAalaibraheema wa-ismaAAeela wa-ishaqawayaAAqooba waal-asbati wama ootiya moosawaAAeesa waalnnabiyyoona min rabbihim lanufarriqu bayna ahadin minhum wanahnu lahumuslimoona
Say "We believe in God and what was sent down to us and what was sent down to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Patriarchs, and what was given to Moses and Jesus and the prophets from their Lord. We do not make a distinction between any of them, and to Him we submit."385
Waman yabtaghi ghayra al-islamideenan falan yuqbala minhu wahuwa fee al-akhirati minaalkhasireena
And whoever follows other than peacemaking as a system, it will not be accepted from him, and in the Hereafter he is of the losers.386
Kayfa yahdee Allahu qawman kafaroobaAAda eemanihim washahidoo anna alrrasoola haqqunwajaahumu albayyinatu waAllahu layahdee alqawma alththalimeena
How can God guide a people who have rejected after believing, and they had witnessed that the messenger was true, and the clarity had come to them? God does not guide the wicked people.387
Ola-ika jazaohum annaAAalayhim laAAnata Allahi waalmala-ikati waalnnasiajmaAAeena
To these the punishment will be that the curse of God will be upon them and that of the angels and the people all together!388
Khalideena feeha layukhaffafu AAanhumu alAAathabu wala hum yuntharoona
Abiding therein, the retribution will not be lightened for them, nor will they be reprieved.389
Illa allatheena taboomin baAAdi thalika waaslahoo fa-inna Allahaghafoorun raheemun
Except those who repent after this and make amends, then God is Forgiver, Merciful.390
Inna allatheena kafaroo baAAda eemanihimthumma izdadoo kufran lan tuqbala tawbatuhum waola-ikahumu alddalloona
Those who have rejected after their belief, then increased in rejection, their repentance will not be accepted, they are the strayers.Now 572, the verses before and after
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Ya ayyuha allatheena amanoola tattakhithoo alyahooda waalnnasaraawliyaa baAAduhum awliyao baAAdinwaman yatawallahum minkum fa-innahu minhum inna Allaha layahdee alqawma alththalimeena
O you who believe, do not take the Jews and the Nazarenes as allies, for they are allies to one another; and whoever takes them as such from among you is one of them. God does not guide the wicked people.552
Fatara allatheena feequloobihim maradun yusariAAoona feehim yaqooloonanakhsha an tuseebana da-iratun faAAasaAllahu an ya/tiya bialfathi aw amrin minAAindihi fayusbihoo AAala ma asarroofee anfusihim nadimeena
You will see those who have a disease in their hearts hurrying to them, saying "We are concerned that a disaster will befall us!" Perhaps God will bring a victory or a decree from Himself, then they will become regretful over what they had kept hidden within themselves.553
Wayaqoolu allatheena amanoo ahaola-iallatheena aqsamoo biAllahi jahda aymanihiminnahum lamaAAakum habitat aAAmaluhum faasbahookhasireena
And those who believe said "Were these the ones who swore oaths by God that they are with you?" Their works have collapsed, and they have become losers.554
Ya ayyuha allatheena amanooman yartadda minkum AAan deenihi fasawfa ya/tee Allahubiqawmin yuhibbuhum wayuhibboonahu athillatinAAala almu/mineena aAAizzatin AAala alkafireenayujahidoona fee sabeeli Allahi wala yakhafoonalawmata la-imin thalika fadlu Allahiyu/teehi man yashao waAllahu wasiAAunAAaleemun
O you who believe, whoever from among you turns away from His system, then God will bring a people whom He loves and they love Him; humble towards the believers, proud towards the rejecters; they strive in the cause of God and do not fear to be blamed by those who blame. This is the grace of God, He bestows it upon whom He wills; God is Encompassing, Knowledgeable.555
Innama waliyyukumu Allahuwarasooluhu waallatheena amanoo allatheenayuqeemoona alssalata wayu/toona alzzakatawahum rakiAAoona
For your supporter are God and His messenger and those who believe; they hold the following closely and contribute towards purification, and they yield.556
Waman yatawalla Allaha warasoolahu waallatheenaamanoo fa-inna hizba Allahi humu alghaliboona
And whoever allies God and His messenger and those who believe; then the party of God are the ones who will be victorious.557
Ya ayyuha allatheena amanoola tattakhithoo allatheena ittakhathoodeenakum huzuwan walaAAiban mina allatheena ootoo alkitabamin qablikum waalkuffara awliyaa waittaqooAllaha in kuntum mu/mineena
O you who believe, do not take as allies those who have taken your system for mockery and play from among those who have been given the Book before you and the rejecters. And be aware of God if you are believers.
Also check 607, 3113, 3199, 55 and 569558
Wa-itha nadaytum ila alssalatiittakhathooha huzuwan walaAAiban thalikabi-annahum qawmun la yaAAqiloona
And if you call to the following closely, they take it for mockery and play. That is because they are a people who do not comprehend.559
Qul ya ahla alkitabi haltanqimoona minna illa an amanna biAllahiwama onzila ilayna wama onzila min qabluwaanna aktharakum fasiqoona
Say "O people of the Book, do you hate us simply because we believe in God and in what was sent down to us and what was sent down before?" Alas, the majority of them are wicked.560
Qul hal onabbi-okum bisharrin min thalikamathoobatan AAinda Allahi man laAAanahu Allahuwaghadiba AAalayhi wajaAAala minhumu alqiradata waalkhanazeerawaAAabada alttaghooti ola-ika sharrun makananwaadallu AAan sawa-i alssabeeli
Say "Shall I inform you of worse than this as a punishment from God? Those whom God cursed and became angry at them, and He made from them apes and pigs and servants of evil. Those have a worse place and are more astray from the right path."561
Wa-itha jaookum qaloo amannawaqad dakhaloo bialkufri wahum qad kharajoo bihi waAllahuaAAlamu bima kanoo yaktumoona
And if they come to you they say "We believe," while they had entered in with rejection and went out with the same. God is aware of what they were hiding.562
Watara katheeran minhum yusariAAoonafee al-ithmi waalAAudwani waaklihimu alssuhtalabi/sa ma kanoo yaAAmaloona
And you see many of them hasten to sin and transgression and consuming money illicitly. Miserable indeed is what they were doing.563
Lawla yanhahumu alrrabbaniyyoonawaal-ahbaru AAan qawlihimu al-ithmawaaklihimu alssuhta labi/sa ma kanooyasnaAAoona
If only the Devotees and Priests had prohibited them for speaking evil and consuming money illicitly. Miserable indeed is what they have done.564
Waqalati alyahoodu yadu Allahimaghloolatun ghullat aydeehim waluAAinoo bima qaloobal yadahu mabsootatani yunfiqu kayfa yashaowalayazeedanna katheeran minhum ma onzila ilayka minrabbika tughyanan wakufran waalqaynabaynahumu alAAadawata waalbaghdaa ilayawmi alqiyamati kullama awqadoo naran lilharbiatfaaha Allahu wayasAAawna fee al-ardifasadan waAllahu la yuhibbualmufsideena
And the Jews said "The hand of God is tied-down!" Their hands will be tied-down, and they will be cursed for what they have said. No, His hands are wide open spending as He wills. And for many of them, what has been sent down to you will increase them in rebellion and rejection; and We have cast between them animosity and hatred until the Day of Resurrection. Every time they ignite the fire of war, God puts it out; and they seek to make corruption in the land; and God does not love the corrupters.565
Walaw anna ahla alkitabi amanoowaittaqaw lakaffarna AAanhum sayyi-atihimwalaadkhalnahum jannati alnnaAAeemi
And if the people of the Book only had believed and been aware, We would have cancelled for them their sins and admitted them to gardens of bliss.566
Walaw annahum aqamoo alttawratawaal-injeela wama onzila ilayhim min rabbihimlaakaloo min fawqihim wamin tahti arjulihim minhum ommatunmuqtasidatun wakatheerun minhum saa mayaAAmaloona
And if they had upheld the Taurat and the Injeel, and what was sent down to them from their Lord, they would have been rewarded from above them and from beneath their feet. From among them is a pious nation, but most of them only do evil.567
Ya ayyuha alrrasooluballigh ma onzila ilayka min rabbika wa-in lam tafAAal famaballaghta risalatahu waAllahu yaAAsimukamina alnnasi inna Allaha la yahdeealqawma alkafireena
O messenger, deliver what was sent down to you from your Lord, and if you do not then you have not delivered His message; and God will protect you from the people. And God does not guide the rejecting people.568
Qul ya ahla alkitabi lastumAAala shay-in hatta tuqeemoo alttawratawaal-injeela wama onzila ilaykum min rabbikumwalayazeedanna katheeran minhum ma onzila ilayka minrabbika tughyanan wakufran fala ta/sa AAalaalqawmi alkafireena
Say "O people of the Book, you are not upon anything until you uphold the Torah and the Gospel and what was sent down to you from your Lord." And for many of them, what was sent down to you from your Lord will only increase them in transgression and rejection. So do not feel sorry for the rejecting people.569
Inna allatheena amanoo waallatheenahadoo waalssabi-oona waalnnasaraman amana biAllahi waalyawmi al-akhiriwaAAamila salihan fala khawfun AAalayhim walahum yahzanoona
Surely those who believe; and those who are Jewish, and the Sabians, and the Nazarenes, whoever of them believes in God and the Last Day and does good works; then they will have nothing to fear nor will they grieve.570
Laqad akhathna meethaqabanee isra-eela waarsalna ilayhim rusulan kullamajaahum rasoolun bima la tahwaanfusuhum fareeqan kaththaboo wafareeqan yaqtuloona
We have taken the covenant of the Children of Israel and We sent to them Our messengers. Every time a messenger came to them with what their souls did not desire, a group of them they would reject, and a group of them they would kill.571
Wahasiboo alla takoonafitnatun faAAamoo wasammoo thumma taba AllahuAAalayhim thumma AAamoo wasammoo katheerun minhum waAllahubaseerun bima yaAAmaloona
And they did not consider it might be a test, so they were blind and deaf. But God would have accepted the repentance from them; but many of them were still blind and deaf. God is Seer over what they do.572
Laqad kafara allatheena qalooinna Allaha huwa almaseehu ibnu maryama waqalaalmaseehu ya banee isra-eela oAAbudoo Allaharabbee warabbakum innahu man yushrik biAllahi faqadharrama Allahu AAalayhi aljannata wama/wahualnnaru wama lilththalimeenamin ansarin
Rejecters indeed are those who have said "God is the Messiah, son of Mary." And the Messiah said "O Children of Israel, serve God, my Lord and your Lord. Whoever sets up partners with God, then God will restrict the Paradise from him, and his destiny will be the Fire; and the wicked will have no supporters."573
Laqad kafara allatheena qalooinna Allaha thalithu thalathatin wamamin ilahin illa ilahun wahidun wa-inlam yantahoo AAamma yaqooloona layamassanna allatheenakafaroo minhum AAathabun aleemun
Rejecters indeed are those who have said "God is a trinity!" There is no god except One god. If they do not cease from what they are saying, then those who reject from among them will be afflicted with a painful retribution.574
Afala yatooboona ila Allahiwayastaghfiroonahu waAllahu ghafoorun raheemun
Would they not repent to God and seek His forgiveness? God is Forgiving, Merciful.575
Ma almaseehu ibnu maryama illarasoolun qad khalat min qablihi alrrusulu waommuhu siddeeqatunkana ya/kulani alttaAAamaonthur kayfa nubayyinu lahumu al-ayatithumma onthur anna yu/fakoona
The Messiah, son of Mary, is no more than a messenger; like whom messengers have passed away; and his mother was trustworthy, they used to eat the food. See how We clarify the signs for them, then see how they deviate.576
Qul ataAAbudoona min dooni Allahi mala yamliku lakum darran wala nafAAan waAllahuhuwa alssameeAAu alAAaleemu
Say "Do you serve other than God what cannot harm you or benefit you?" God is the Hearer, the Knower.577
Qul ya ahla alkitabi lataghloo fee deenikum ghayra alhaqqi wala tattabiAAooahwaa qawmin qad dalloo min qablu waadallookatheeran wadalloo AAan sawa-i alssabeeli
Say "O people of the Book, do not overstep in your system other than the truth, and do not follow the desires of a people who have been misguided before, and they misguide many; and they strayed from the right path."578
LuAAina allatheena kafaroo min baneeisra-eela AAala lisani dawoodawaAAeesa ibni maryama thalika bima AAasawwakanoo yaAAtadoona
Cursed are those who have rejected from among the Children of Israel by the tongue of David and Jesus, son of Mary. That is for what they have disobeyed, and for what they transgressed.579
Kanoo la yatanahawnaAAan munkarin faAAaloohu labi/sa ma kanooyafAAaloona
They would not stop each other from doing vice. Wickedness is what they used to do.580
Tara katheeran minhum yatawallawnaallatheena kafaroo labi/sa ma qaddamat lahumanfusuhum an sakhita Allahu AAalayhim wafee alAAathabihum khalidoona
You see many of them allying the rejecters. Wicked is what their souls have provided for them, for the wrath of God is upon them, and in the retribution they will abide.581
Walaw kanoo yu/minoona biAllahiwaalnnabiyyi wama onzila ilayhi ma ittakhathoohumawliyaa walakinna katheeran minhum fasiqoona
And if they had believed in God and the prophet, and what was sent down to him, then they would not have taken them as allies; but many of them are wicked.582
Latajidanna ashadda alnnasiAAadawatan lillatheena amanoo alyahooda waallatheenaashrakoo walatajidanna aqrabahum mawaddatan lillatheena amanooallatheena qaloo inna nasara thalikabi-anna minhum qisseeseena waruhbanan waannahum layastakbiroona
You will find the people with the greatest animosity towards those who believe are the Jews and those who are polytheists; and you will find the closest in affection to those who believe are those whosaid "We are Nazarenes;" that is because among them are Priests and Monks, and they are not arrogant.
Again check 607, 3113, 3199, 55 and 569583
Wa-itha samiAAoo ma onzila ilaalrrasooli tara aAAyunahum tafeedu mina alddamAAimimma AAarafoo mina alhaqqi yaqooloona rabbanaamanna faoktubna maAAa alshshahideena
And if they hear what was sent down to the messenger you see their eyes flooding with tears, for what they have known as the truth, they say "Our Lord, we believe, so record us with the witnesses."584
Wama lana la nu/minu biAllahiwama jaana mina alhaqqi wanatmaAAuan yudkhilana rabbuna maAAa alqawmi alssaliheena
"And why should we not believe in God and what has come to us of the truth? And we yearn that our Lord admits us with the righteous people."585
Faathabahumu Allahu bimaqaloo jannatin tajree min tahtihaal-anharu khalideena feeha wathalikajazao almuhsineena
So God recompensed them for what they have said with estates with rivers flowing beneath them, abiding therein; such is the recompense of the good doers.586
Waallatheena kafaroo wakaththaboobi-ayatina ola-ika as-habualjaheemi
And those who rejected and denied Our revelations; they are the dwellers of Hell.587
Ya ayyuha allatheena amanoola tuharrimoo tayyibati ma ahallaAllahu lakum wala taAAtadoo inna Allaha layuhibbu almuAAtadeena
O you who believe, do not make unlawful the good things that God has made lawful to you, and do not aggress; God does not love the aggressors.Hopefully this will clear thing. Salam/Peace.
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Salam/Peace, my comments are in bold red
Don't you ever wonder why Quran needs to use such hateful language. Is God so tiny and vain that he needs to insult his own creation.
Hateful language? If you could, please do show us so we can analyze. Also people are trying to make God look tiny & vain by making lies against him.
Swap the word disbeliever in Quran with quranist and see how you feel.
That is honestly weird, what does this have to do with this topic?
Remember Rashad Khalifia, he demanded that people believe in him and Code 19. Those of us who didn't believe what were they called?
About Rashad Khalifa, he has done some things are questionable like the event when he been inappropriate towards a young woman in 1979, google Rashad Khalifa rape case and also see this videos https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwEPoKxUZwc https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F4R5K0JdmE
Ingrates, blind, ungrateful etc ... for what crime? All the hate that his followers like Edip used to spout was directly from the Quran.
I recommend check from 91 to 935 and from 2185 to 2200, and what hate did Edip Yuksel and his followers spout out?
What about you? Do you think Sunni or Shia will go to heaven?
Honestly i do think so, if they are following God's divine laws then they are good people, i have meet some Sunni and Shia humans and they are good people.
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people should ponder more on Allah. and then try to answer is a certain book from Allah.
Again, what/who is Allah ? and how do you define what is from Allah and what is not ? This is the most fundamental and important question.
Also, @Sardar, can you please stop flooding the thread with copy pastas ???
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Everything is from Allah. But we should look at what God intends for every particular being. We are humans and we in our fitra know to some extent what destiny God meant for us. Revelation and exchange with others helps us finding out more about out destiny. Our destiny is not to judge God or anybody else for that matter, but to try to understand and know, starting with ourselves. We have that God given gift or being able to analyse and examine ourselves. From the moral point of view that should be our main task.
The Qur'an is not a book whereby we should learn to judge God or even others, but to judge ourselves and improve ourselves. Each one her or himself. It is also the most noble and enthralling task.
Salaam
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I think people should ponder about the existence of themselves. Who are they? Did their father and mother created them? Who made it possible for them to come out alive from their mothers?
Either the parent/s is responsible of their existence or a Creator beyond the work of a mere human has made it possible for them to exist in a human body here on earth?
Surely the complexity of the body of a human and its function/organs... can only be the work of a non human "Creator"!Then why have they been created and what is the aim ,should be the main question?
Therefore I do not think a Creator will burden His creation more than they can bare, nor will a Creator be unjust or cruel to what He/It created! Also a Creator has the final say and the control.
For me, I trust this Creator fully and have confidence in all He/It does. I will only blame myself if I do not make the effort to find out Who this creator is and what is our purpose from His/Its point of view. I am also confident there is a manual/message from this Creator giving us our instructions and purpose.
Over to each one of us to carry out the task.
GOD bless you all.
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Also, @Sardar, can you please stop flooding the thread with copy pastas ???
Oh come now dear sibling Cerberus, i was trying to show context of the verses Burhan used. group
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Everything is from Allah. But we should look at what God intends for every particular being. We are humans and we in our fitra know to some extent what destiny God meant for us. Revelation and exchange with others helps us finding out more about out destiny. Our destiny is not to judge God or anybody else for that matter, but to try to understand and know, starting with ourselves. We have that God given gift or being able to analyse and examine ourselves. From the moral point of view that should be our main task.
SalaamEverything is from Allah but the evil of man, because even the good Allah takes credit from (479). And that is a very insightful piece of information from the Quran. That the good within man emanates from Allah, and the bad emanates directly from man. That man away from Allah results in bad, suffering and destruction. And that man with Allah brings fruits, benefits and joy. A heaven for man.
So knowing who/what Allah is, is very crucial. It is knowing good from bad in ourselves. And then we can rightfully judge ourselves.
But how come people view Allah as some sort of deity ? Allah is much more intrinsic to us. But people just skip this and rather focus on physical stuff like a book, rituals, calendars, ceremonies, clothes, things to be said and done...
What does the Quran call for ? It calls for virtue; but where is this virtue, is it in Quran or is it in ourselves ? Then why people focus on Quran and not on themselves ?
And then with what part do we understand virtue and agree with it ? Then that part of man is key to man's success. And therefore man should keep his attention on that part, and preserve it and remain with it, following it. It is that part that emanates from Allah. It is that part that needs to be kept holy, not the quran. Quran is a book that points to that part of man. Yet man points back at the quran to run away from the responsibility.
@Sardar, no offense intended, but the amount of verses was just counter-intuitive.
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A prophet demands that people believe in him. Those who don't believe in him are called disbelievers. Now you have two groups.
Which prophet?
And how do you know he acted as such?
Did you witnessed it directly? Or indirectly through what other people say or write?By observing the pattern found in the books of Gospel..
It seems that the prophet (in this case a dude named Jesus and his cousin John) never labeled those who disbelieve in him as unbeliever / enemy of God / servant of Satan / condemned to Hell. They did however curse the hypocrites among the religious. Which is a consistent pattern, shown in Abraham life legend/story as well.UNTIL..
Later book, such as The Gospel according to John. Written approximately 70 years after the events supposed to occur. In this book the prophet seems to turn into a narcissistic megalomaniac. Demanding to be obeyed, respected, believed and even worshiped.Conclusion Once a 'sect' / 'religion' has formed around a figure. The member of the sect invented stuff to propelled the figure with stories which might never happened at all.
Non-believers are evil, sick, enemies of God etc, simply for not believing the prophet. Even if they do good things they will still go to hell. 572, 385 etc.
Definitely... God has enemy is a totally ridiculous idea.. rotfl rotfl
All shows exact match to the characteristic of sectarian writings....This type of language is hateful and dangerous, sadly it has made come back in politics and you can see the affects.
All sect / religion has political objective in mind.. thus the similarity..
Don't you ever wonder why Quran needs to use such hateful language.
Because it was written with political objective in mind?
To unify the people within the sect and then to justify the act of aggression against those who are not within the sect?Remember Rashad Khalifia, he demanded that people believe in him and Code 19. Those of us who didn't believe what were they called?
Ingrates, blind, ungrateful etc ... for what crime? All the hate that his followers like Edip used to spout was directly from the Quran.Did Rashad said that?
Or it was more of Rashad sect member claimed that Rashad said that?
If Rashad did said that, then I think he was a narcissistic megalomaniac...What about you? Do you think Sunni or Shia will go to heaven?
Definitely, God's blessing and forgivness goes across all social identity.. Sunni Shiites Jews Christian Catholics Hindus Taoist Buddhist Atheist Capitalist Communist etc.....
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@ sardar if u want to do it then easy way is to bring 262 in it its works as a counter argument for those who still are confused and want to put quranist in the catagories presented by book
first error u cant put a label/cast/religion in the place of hypocrates/disbelievers/mischiefmakers
becoz in every label/religion/nation of world these catagories from quran exist
treating quran as idol is not different than makin idols by your own hands
when anybody claim I AM Quranist then the first default error is revising in between a human ego
yes and same goes for sunni shai and everybody@ cerberus bro ur posts are always lovely to read i agree with you
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first error u cant put a label/cast/religion in the place of hypocrates/disbelievers/mischiefmakers
becoz in every label/religion/nation of world these catagories from quran exist
treating quran as idol is not different than makin idols by your own hands
I am a little lost here, did i made some mistakes? Last thing i want is to treat Quran/Divine Revelation as a idol, that would be weird and honestly stupid of me. Hope i said it right.
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treating quran as idol is not different than makin idols by your own hands
when anybody claim I AM Quranist then the first default error is revising in between a human ego
yes and same goes for sunni shai and everybody@ cerberus bro ur posts are always lovely to read i agree with you
@ jaffar ur posts are also worthy works like a neutral mind and with neutral mind we can generate neutral resultsBy the standard you judge others, with the some standard you will also be judged.
I can put forth an evidence that one of my Quran is sent down from China.
Because it's said so in the back cover. "Printed In China".If the label is not enough, certainly I can trace it from the store which I purchased the book, to the trader who imported the books down to the company who actually printed the book.
Thus, it should makes one wonder;
WHY some people insist on the importance that a book (in this case titled Quran) is actually sent down from God?Tracing to the earliest occurrence of a "Scripture Written / Sent Down From God", which is Marduk's Codex from Mesopotamia, which I've described here
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610198.msg416620I can make a conclusion that it's to render some kind of "Authority" to it's readers thus the author or publisher can avoid any efforts of explaining and / or bring forth any evidence to those who dare to questioned the validity of the statements found within the scripture.
Why does wife guilty of adultery is punishable by death while the husband is not punishable at all?
Because Marduk said so, do you dare to questioned His wisdom? He will be angry and torture you for all eternity.This notion of star as a missile to be thrown towards eavesdropping devil is ridiculous, where's the evidence?
Because Allah said so, do you dare to questioned His wisdom? He will be angry and torture you for all eternity.etc.. etc..
Thus following the example shown by Mr. Abraham, never be afraid to expose any fraud that you find in any sources. The authority will definitely uses fear to restrained you or shut you up yet don't let the fear conquer you, as shown by example of Mr. Abraham. (And millions of others..)
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Reel,
3 sides to every story
As a believer, you are reading the Abraham story with a bias. You believe in God, Prophets, Angels, Satan etc on faith. Abraham is the good guy and you accept that on faith also.
That?s fine, every faithful does that, it?s just something you need to be aware of.
We are never given an objective version of events in the Quran for anything. How do you think Abraham?s father would tell the same story. Just as a fun experiment try writing a paragraph to yourself from his point of view.
How would an objective observer tell the same story? Perhaps, you are assuming God is the objective observer, but you have accepted that on faith alone.
If it is possible, I would like you to suspend your assumptions and re-read the story, critically.Did you read my first reply to OP? Your problem is that you are forcing mainstream islamic belief on us. I challenge you before you make an uneducated assumption that I accept him based on faith. Go follow the instructions given in Quran first. Change your heart exactly like God tells in the Book. Evaluate the results and then come here and comment. We will then know what being objective and subjective means. The instructions are very simple. No need for looking for sectarian salat choreography in Quran.
Is polytheism evil. Where is the evidence?
Follow Quran and you will get your evidence.
We are given very little information about Abraham?s community but lets examine for what crime they are the bad guys.
Their crime is only that they worship idols. What?s wrong with that? Are we saying that a polytheist is inherently bad and a monotheist inherently good? Real life tells us that it makes no difference what your religious beliefs are. Polytheist communities have faired just as well as monotheist. If there was no Mohammed would the middle east have been worse off. The Quran offers no objective evidence that monotheism is better than polytheism.
Of course, certain practices can be bad within religions. E.g. child sacrifice, slavery, circumcision etc. It would be right to challenge those directly, but Abraham makes no such case.
As Abraham is the good guy the author isn?t going to say something about him that would make him look bad. However, the author only has his moral compass to decide what is good/bad. We all have different views of God, life etc and through a lot of bloodshed we have come to the conclusion that secularism is the only way for all of us to live together in peace. Abraham is not willing to make such a compromise.
Abraham had every right to share his views about God, but he had no right threaten his community. 2157. His father threatened him with punishment but never carried it out, until Abraham crossed a line.
For example, right now I?m Abraham. I am challenging your beliefs, which I have the right to do. But I must follow the forum rules. I can?t threaten to hack this website in case you don?t change your beliefs.
If I did cross that line, you?d have every right to take action against me.
We are a bit more civil these days, so thankfully no stoning or fire for me. But you could ban me, or report me to authorities if I hacked FM. Now if my Quran made you out to be the bad guy, you?d be pretty upset.
The problem isn't restricted to Abraham. The central message of the Quran is that anything other than monotheism (as laid out in the Quran) is false, and therefore inherently evil and it followers eternally condemned.
Yo guys, Burhan will be applauding as people in Afghanistan shoot believers like us. Let me remind you users that we are supposed to get shot if seen in that country. He will stand for that fatwa sheikh and tell allIs this sheikh evil? Where is the evidence?
You think I am an idiot? You dishonestly cut off the details to talk about what not was a problem, but then again, we do not know your state of mind.
I have been a Quranist for 25 years. I'm responsible for promoting many of the apologetic interpretations. It's funny when people quote them back to me. Karma.
I know several people who call themselves Quranist but have been doing hadith stuff and then when things don't work they start yelling at God. These people also claim to be believer of only God for multiple years.
Let me tell you something, it is extremely clear that you were no practitioner of what is in the Quran. Your belief system didn't cross the sunni mindset. You still believe God is angry at STATUES and polytheism is all about STATUES. Once again, I have no time for this mediocre discussion. I applaud Wakas for even making time to reply to you. Find a sunni forum and take your discussion there. But yep, learn the meaning of karma from a dictionary. Don't get laughed at by sectarians by writing the last line on their forums.
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Salam!
Then do they not reflect upon the Qur'an? If it had been from other than Allah, they would have found within it much contradiction.
Had there been within the heavens and earth gods besides Allah, they both would have been ruined. So exalted is Allah, Lord of the Throne, above what they describe.
The above two Ayats are enough to make me believe that there is only one Creator of the Universe and Al-Quran is a message from HIM.
May Allah bless and guide all the truth seekers.
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Oh come now dear sibling Cerberus, i was trying to show context of the verses Burhan used. group
Your hard work is useless. He is here to talk as a representative of sheikhs who want you murdered for your belief. Let's remember you already like many of us broke statues of 6 key figures who go by the name of Muhammad and sit next to some all powerful God, incapable of talking without them -\
Edit Okay, we broke statues of speaking demigods. So yeah, we are more hateful ???
Thats an amazing last paragraph.One for keeps.Looks you were on an emotional high.With all those references.Superb.
Oh, the credit goes to another of our brothers here. He is inactive right now. But his job was certainly superb )
Abraham was trying to expose a fraud commonly believed by his own society.
Similar to what this dude named John Oliver tried to do.
Exposing the fraud of Televangelist.Televangelists Last Week Tonight with John Oliver
https//youtu.be/7y1xJAVZxXgMr. John Oliver deed will match the level of difficulty that Abraham faced if these conditions are met
- Oliver's own dad is a televangelist himself which fraud he exposed on public TV.
- The US government is in a form of Absolute Monarchy, and the Emperor / Monarch supported and enforced the religion propagated by televangelists.
- The act of Mr. Oliver, airing a 'blasphemy to God' on public television is punishable by death through burning at the stake; in accordance to US Criminal Law which in itself a Divine law sent down by God in a form of a tablet. (thus even the act of questioning or trying to change the law is also punishable by death).
US gov in emperor form, Oliver and televangelist have one thing in common. All of them are run by ummmmm
PROTOCOL No. 17
2. WE HAVE LONG PAST TAKEN CARE TO DISCREDIT THE PRIESTHOOD OF "GOYIM," and
thereby to ruin their mission on earth which in these days might still be a great hindrance to us. Day by
day its influence on the peoples of the world is falling lower. FREEDOM OF CONSCIENCE HAS BEEN
DECLARED EVERYWHERE, SO THAT NOW ONLY YEARS DIVIDE US FROM THE MOMENT OF
THE COMPLETE WRECKING OF THAT CHRISTIAN RELIGION as to other religions we shall have
still less difficulty in dealing with them, but it would be premature to speak of this now. We shall act
clericalism and clericals into such narrow frames as to make their influence move in retrogressive
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But, IN THE MEANTIME, while we are reeducating youth in new traditional religions and
afterwards in ours, WE SHALL NOT OVERTLY LAY A FINGER ON EXISTING CHURCHES, BUT WE
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In general, then, our contemporary press will continue to CONVICT State affairs, religions,
incapacities of the GOYIM, always using the most unprincipled expressions in order by every means to
lower their prestige in the manner which can only be practiced by the genius of our gifted tribe .... page 33 http//xroads.virginia.edu/~ma01/Kidd/thesis/pdf/protocols.pdf
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Your hard work is useless. He is here to talk as a representative of sheikhs who want you murdered for your belief. Let's remember you already like many of us broke statues of 6 key figures who go by the name of Muhammad and sit next to some all powerful God, incapable of talking without them -\
Edit Okay, we broke statues of speaking demigods. So yeah, we are more hateful ???
Uh.....i am not sure how to respond to that.
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I keep asking jafar and all those who say Qoran is from a "human" or Qoran is just like any other holy book, written and invented by humans, who is or who are the authors? No answer from them yet?
Did Mohammed take the credit for it? No answer yet?
Would a human not take credit for what they write? Who took credit for sending Qoran? No answer yet?Surely by today s standard ,one should have come up with the one /those who came up with Qoran s content? No answer yet?
According to Qoran, who takes credit for sending Qoran? Why? If it is not true then why would a human credit what they invented to the Author of Qoran in Qoran? No answer yet?
Surely by now you would think ,if it was human, we would have found that out? Why can t we? No answer yet?254
Those who disbelieved said, "This is a fabrication that he produced, with the help of some other people." They have uttered a blasphemy and a falsehood.255
They also said, "Tales from the past that he wrote down; they were dictated to him day and night."*256
Say, "This was revealed by the One who knows the Secret* in the heavens and the earth. He is Forgiving, Most Merciful."Typical Utterances of Disbelievers of Qoran
GOD bless.
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I keep asking jafar and all those who say Qoran is from a "human" or Qoran is just like any other holy book, written and invented by humans, who is or who are the authors? No answer from them yet?
5-7th century people or group of people living in Levant, heavily influenced by Jewish tradition, Jewish scriptures (Messianic Jews alias the so called writing of Early Christian Fathers included).
The mindset construct, the stories within (Moses Exodus, Jesus birth, Jesus crucifixion, Abraham, Adam story, Fall of the Devil due to refusing not to bow to Adam, Judgement Day, View Of the Cosmos, 7 Level of Heavens etc..) matches perfectly.
Which makes it a 'far fecthed' idea to think that the book was written by people or group of people living in China, Japan, India, Scandinavia, American Continent, Thailand, Indonesia and others. 5-7th century people living on the mentioned region have different kind of mindset and outlook of life.
Did Mohammed take the credit for it? No answer yet?
IF, a very big IF that is, the book content is a 'revelation' from Mr. Gabriel to Mr. Muhammad.
Then Mr. Muhammad at least need to verify it's content that it IS 100% in accordance to what Mr. Muhammad actually heard or seen from Mr. Gabriel. Thus he need to take 'credit', at least for redactory and reviewer role. Which cannot be verified whether he did such role.Would a human not take credit for what they write? Who took credit for sending Qoran? No answer yet?
Depending on the version, Holy Quran Apps was sent down from Playstore or AppStore.
One of my Holy Quran was sent down from China.Surely by today s standard ,one should have come up with the one /those who came up with Qoran s content? No answer yet?
Thousands of titles, explaining in greater details topics which was not explained or even mentioned in your holy books. All of it uses evidence from nature and experiment result and none of it make a claim that it was "written by God" and those who refuse to believe in the content shall be tortured for all eternity.
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5-7th century people or group of people living in Levant, heavily influenced by Jewish tradition, Jewish scriptures (Messianic Jews alias the so called writing of Early Christian Fathers included).
The mindset construct, the stories within (Moses Exodus, Jesus birth, Jesus crucifixion, Abraham, Adam story, Fall of the Devil due to refusing not to bow to Adam, Judgement Day, View Of the Cosmos, 7 Level of Heavens etc..) matches perfectly.
Which makes it a 'far fecthed' idea to think that the book was written by people or group of people living in China, Japan, India, Scandinavia, American Continent, Thailand, Indonesia and others. 5-7th century people living on the mentioned region have different kind of mindset and outlook of life.
You are using this against Quran?
Humans can't escape repeating history. We are limited. An off topic example
"These societies lived in different geographical environments; they belonged to different racial stocks; but the history of their marriage customs is the same. In the beginning each society had the same ideas in regard to sexual regulations. Then the same struggles took place; the same sentiments were expressed; the same changes were made; the same results ensued. Each society reduced its sexual opportunity to a minimum and displaying great social energy, flourished greatly. Then it extended its sexual opportunity; its energy decreased, and faded away. The one outstanding feature of the whole story is its unrelieved monotony."
"?convinced that the cultural process is a progressive development and that our own culture is the most developed of all cultures, we assume that every change in our cultural condition is evidence of a higher cultural development."
https//ethikapolitika.org/2014/08/19/civilizations-sex/
Religions and other aspects of human life go through this same cycle. Hence, everything seems same.
IF, a very big IF that is, the book content is a 'revelation' from Mr. Gabriel to Mr. Muhammad.
Then Mr. Muhammad at least need to verify it's content that it IS 100% in accordance to what Mr. Muhammad actually heard or seen from Mr. Gabriel. Thus he need to take 'credit', at least for redactory and reviewer role. Which cannot be verified whether he did such role.All of it uses evidence from nature and experiment result and none of it make a claim that it was "written by God" and those who refuse to believe in the content shall be tortured for all eternity.
Muhammad is dead. But there is something called peer review. Easy to do on Quran to test his claims.
Depending on the version, Holy Quran Apps was sent down from Playstore or AppStore.
One of my Holy Quran was sent down from China.
Not far fetched. We know every nation received something and we are not the kind of modern people we think we are.
Thousands of titles, explaining in greater details topics which was not explained or even mentioned in your holy books.
Bad news is that constitution of almost every country carries no details. So maybe we should reject them? Same is true for bills changed into laws. Technically, based on situations, agencies add details to them. That said, I see a lot of contradictions in your views. You believe we took Quran as an idol. But then you seem to take other books as your idol. You talk about how they give you out details through experiments, but you don't do any experiment on the validity of the Quran. You have a lot of focus on what authors of other books say, but when it comes to God's book you criticize it using speculations.
