:: Why do you believe that alQuraan is sent down from Allah? ::

good_logic

Peace Noon.
Mathematics is a Scientifically consistent and accurate way to measure the text . There is only one way this measure works.
While studying the text helps the understanding of it. It cannot measure its accuracy consistently.
Just like the understanding will differ, the inconstancy and difference will remain .
I know some argue the numerical measure and dispute the numbers, but they cannot argue against the measure itself being universal. The language of Mathematics is unified and universal.
Let me give you a clear example
Say a person is called ALIA (1 9 12 1 being the numerical arrangement of the alphabet) I have measured the spelling numerically to make sure everyone spells it correctly. If anyone spells it ALYAH, then they have ignored the code and misspelt the word ALIA .
Similarly if a sentence contains the word ALIA and someone wrote AMANDA , we can clearly tell by the maths code that the word has been changed all together not just misspelled.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

good_logic

Sorry ALIA (I 12 9 1) correction of (1 9 12 1) of the last post which makes it AILA!)
GOD bless.

mmkhan

Peace mmkhan.
Nice to hear from you brother.
22 versions? There may be many ,but GOD Anzala only one.

Peace brother good logic,
Thanks dear brother.
Red I agree with you.
Blue Any evidence bro?

And we do not even need to think, just count the letters/numbers of surahs, verses, words...etc
But thinking is required for understanding the message once we know for sure/are certain GOD has sent a message.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

So you mean alQuraan is only for those who are able to count in millions and not for a lay man who don't know much counting?

mmkhan

I have already said to you ,for me ,the hafs version we have today is the original Qoran according to my checking of its numerical composition.

Peace brother,

Numerical composition?
Who made it? Humans or God?

Noon_waalqalami

peace good logic, instead of speaking about math in general use code or whatever to resolve?

258 and when qul'n/said we of

ud'khul/enters ye of this the town
fakul/so eat ye of therein anyplace like you freely

7161 and when qla/stated to them

us'kun/settles ye of this the town
wakul/and eat ye of therein anyplace like you

good_logic

Peace Noon.
What do you want to resolve with 258 and 7161?
Do you expect them to have the same words?
In context and in general speech they mean the same thing . They are two different verses in two different surahs.
2;58 has "Udkhulu " and 7161 has "Uskunu".
Whether they are told "enter this town" or "go and live in this town" is this what you have a problem with?
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Noon_waalqalami

What do you want to resolve with 258 and 7161?
Do you expect them to have the same words?
In context and in general speech they mean the same thing .

peace, words are different "enter" then settle/dwell likewise, cannot settles/dwells ?the gate? etc.

258 and when qul'n/said we of
ud'khul/enters ye of this the town
fakul/so eat ye of therein anyplace like you freely
wa-ud'khul/and enters ye of the gate prostrate/modest of
and speak ye of repentance
we forgive for you khaykum/errors yours
and shall we increase the good doers

7161 and when qla/stated to them
us'kun/settles ye of this the town
wakul/and eat ye of therein anyplace like you
and speak ye of repentance
wa-ud'khul/and enters ye of the gate prostrate/modest of
we forgive for you khatikum/errors it yours
shall we increase the good doers

In retelling story e.g., Qur?an can quote partially, switch order of speech, etc.

258 and 7161 combined likewise, translation to Arabic from language spoken.

ud'khul/enters ye of us'kun/settles ye of this the town
fawakul/so and eat ye of therein anyplace like you freely
and enters ye of the gate prostrate/modest of
and speak ye of repentance
we forgive for you khatikum/errors it yours
and shall we increase the good doers

another example...

7113-114 and came the magicians firaun said they of
inna/indeed for us surely reward of if be we we are the victors?
said yes and surely you surely among the near being

2641-42 so when came the magicians said they of to firaun
a-inna/is there for us surely reward of if be we we are the victors?
said yes and surely you idhan/then surely among the near being

combined?
inna/indeed a-inna/is there for us surely reward of if be we we are the victors?
said yes and surely you idhan/then surely among the near being

good_logic

Peace Noon.
I do not know what your point is?

258 and 7161 are speaking from two different angles
258 We said to them"
2161" It was said to them"
If it was both "We said to them", then one may have an argument..
GOD bless you.
Peace.

imrankhawaja

Peace Noon.
I do not know what your point is?

his point is very very easy to understand.

or GL your math skills are weak. lmao

good_logic

Peace Imran.
You say, quote
his point is very very easy to understand.

Please explain it to me as I honestly do not see the point?
GOD bless you.
Peace.

imrankhawaja

Peace Imran.
You say, quote
his point is very very easy to understand.

Please explain it to me as I honestly do not see the point?
GOD bless you.
Peace.

peace GL ,

its difficult for some people to understand points. eveybody have different levels of minds so i cant help u i felt that on other threads.

but if u want brotherly advice then almonds and walnuts are best for improving mind skills try that one and read all those posts what u still disnt understand peace

good_logic

Peace Imran.
So it comes to this
but if u want brotherly advice then almonds and walnuts are best for improving mind skills try that one and read all those posts what u still disnt understand .

I guess I have to help myself. I am used to it.
DO not worry brother. I accept we cannot all be clever and understand everything.
Thank you.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Soittosondhani

Why do we believe that the Quran is from Allah? We find the Answer in 482 -

Then (do) not they ponder (on) the Quran? And if it had (been) from other than Allah, surely they (would have) found in it much contradiction.

mmkhan

Salaamun,

Why do we believe that the Quran is from Allah? We find the Answer in 482 -

Then (do) not they ponder (on) the Quran? And if it had (been) from other than Allah, surely they (would have) found in it much contradiction.

That is what I was trying to explain.
There are many ikhtilaaf in alQuraan hence it cannot be from Allah.

BTW anyone has any aayat saying that alQuraan is from Allah? Please share.

imrankhawaja

@ mmkhan hope u doing good.

when u started this thread my position was different anyways some new perceptions from my side now.

Quran is from GOD ?

? not only quran but also bible, geeta, veda, tora, budda scripture all are from GOD the one who controls everything?

but the ideas and message is for human by a human and the continuity of work is also by human.

is it possible that the mixing of falsehood with truth ?
yes its possible. all that happened with previous scriptures.

is it possible that with QURAN same thing happened ?
yes why not God is divine not any book ?

how we know the early generations what they did with words and the meanings of those words. even if they unable to change the arabic as per their claim. but what if they change the interpretation to the accordance of 7th century. invention of vowel marks also give new eras of explorations so we need to see what was the reason ?

veey simple when u start sitting with christian, hindus, anyother u can feel they have same respect and faith on their scriptures same as muslim born do.

neutrally i didnt see any nation scripture bad itself.
its all about the system and tradition when we born in some specific nation we have to accept it otherwise we will b rebels of system.

example if a christian go against christanity
if a muslim go against islam
if a hindu go against hinduism

all three are rebels to their system but hero for other systems whatever system they accept.

accepting system will not change anything but more confusion.
example a person born in black nation cant become white( micky exception)
he need to understand hez black. the reality of himself.

he cant challange his nation, his color, nothing he can change same goes for every nation when we try to change what we are not we all ended up in a confusion.

at this present world we been forced by very few systems amd mix and match of systems.

one common thing in all systems ( they think their system is truth).