Qur'an Universe Model Is Geocentric
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I wonder some have got the meaning of going beyond the zones of Heavens and Earth at all?.
God Himself put such a verse and still He said Jinns are going to such a close proximity where they can listen to what those elite is discussing in the heaven?It doesn?t mean Jinns crossed the Zones of Heavens.. So beyond that is no entry? that?s the zones of Heavens.. Lifting from the surface of the earth doesn?t mean gone beyond the zones of the earth? Why Jinns could not reach beyond certain points where they are chased with blazing fire? that?s the point of Heavens..
Then what is the point of earth? Earth has it?s corners coz this earth is not spinning myth? it?s a stationary, immovable earth on which water keep it?s level.. as of Heaven has it point beyond it no one can reach the earth also has? Those are the corners which no one has seen coz no one is ever able to pass it that?s full of ice? Can anyone show me what is that point in heaven which Jinns went and chased? No body can? same no one can show the corners of the earth? Coz heaven and earth equal size.. So called Antarctica is not what you are taught with? it has a mystery and it is banned and highly restricted place with enormous secret and the year Antarctica Treaty formed and the NASA formed as well? yes well planned conspiracy? Conspiracies can last ages but cannot be hidden forever? So wait with patience and search?Before the time comes for any secrets to be unearthed, there is no point of barking.. Some are mocking with the verses of quran and talking like not belong to neither quran nor the spinning myth.. Some are very decent though they are against stationary earth...Mocking at verses of the quran is not new? same old human culture.. -
Salaam,
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first thing first , i dont know what shape earth has... , as example i am talking about flat , i just dont beleave in spinning spherical ball....
how can you apply this verse on spherical earth ?? its even diffultier to explain this on a ball than on a flat earth.
but if i have to explain this vers, i think its talking about perspective , i mean if you on a land and you watch the sun , you see when you see the sun goes dawn ,its like sinking in to the ground, like its gonna rust ....
watch here little experiment to show sunset and sunrises
https//youtu.be/sy7q549d5vQ?t=665
ps resting-place for him who is here him , the sun ???
if you check the explanation of this vers , alot of diff translation ....like muhammed sarwar
how the sun moves in its orbit and this is the decree of the Majestic and All-knowing God; this is complete other explanation ??Peace Kaltun,
This could refer to the Solar Apex.
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_apexhttps//www.islamawakened.com/quran/36/38/default.htm
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but if we can go to the space , then is Quran lying....
(Allah) said, "Get down some of you to some others (as) enemy. And for you in the earth (is) a dwelling place and livelihood for a time."
He said, "In it you will live and in it you will die and from it you will be brought forth.".. 724-25and the rest of the verse you meant , what has that to do with the shape of the earth ?
Those who accept a "flat earth model" will have different understanding
of some verses than those who accept a "heliocentric model".Allah knows best
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Slm Ibn_a,
thx for the reply ..
This could refer to the Solar Apex.
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_apexhttps//www.islamawakened.com/quran/36/38/default.htm
it could ... but what i said can be also ....
Those who accept a "flat earth model" will have different understanding
of some verses than those who accept a "heliocentric model".please what do you understand from it ....can i hear your understanding?
cause not one decent reply i got to this , not one of these "heliocentric model" accepted persons, mostly they dodging this ( ehum imrankhawaja)again question is, what does this verses say or mean
724 and 725 https//www.islamawakened.com/quran/7/24/default.htm and https//www.islamawakened.com/quran/7/25/default.htm -
@ kaltun
i have something interesting to discuss after i m satisfied that u or anyother member dun have answer of solar eclipse but dun worry this post is purely OFF-TOPIC.
but very interesting topic i wana let members enjoy what i going to share with them.
u dnt need to surprise what i m going to tell you becoz investigation was my field once so have that old insect still inside my mind.
jkhan = kaltun
both same person member can see the writting pattern of both members the dots in the end. unfortunately i know him i dun wana disclose him but i want to warn members about the trolling weapon he have. he is expert in causing troble between people specially by topics what make people start fighting eachother. and hez coming on regularly basis he actually decides whatever happen he will keep continue his mission. but to b honest. whoever he is sometimes i feel real pitty on him i have slight idea about the problems he is suffering through. so i can understand he needs company and there are very few people in this world who engagge in discussion with him so he make account upon account. but what hez doing will not help him in anyway. he will only buy more sadness.
members also have ideas what hez been doing anyway have a good life.
just thinking if i was at ur place and looking myself on mirror how should i feel about fakery ?i still have an advice my brother perhaps last one.
the symptoms showing u are suffering from inferiority complex = feeling that people not treat you well or your unable to achieve something.its more pschycological issue than faith.these types of people are gullible and most of the times they believe in theories related with conspricy.
they dun see things from where people see things although they are unique but insane as per other people.
the believe everybody hates their ideas hence u can feel hate from them very easily?
who to blame their luck or their nature ? a nature what only a foolish can seek ?
but they are only foolish as per 98% still rest of 2% are in their favour or they are suffering from same psychological issues.i may b wrong in all of it but thats what my findings tell me about you. i did work on it untill i find my old threads on flat earth.
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@ kaltun
i have something interesting to discuss after i m satisfied that u or anyother member dun have answer of solar eclipse but dun worry this post is purely OFF-TOPIC.
but very interesting topic i wana let members enjoy what i going to share with them.
u dnt need to surprise what i m going to tell you becoz investigation was my field once so have that old insect still inside my mind.
jkhan = kaltun
both same person member can see the writting pattern of both members the dots in the end. unfortunately i know him i dun wana disclose him but i want to warn members about the trolling weapon he have. he is expert in causing troble between people specially by topics what make people start fighting eachother. and hez coming on regularly basis he actually decides whatever happen he will keep continue his mission. but to b honest. whoever he is sometimes i feel real pitty on him i have slight idea about the problems he is suffering through. so i can understand he needs company and there are very few people in this world who engagge in discussion with him so he make account upon account. but what hez doing will not help him in anyway. he will only buy more sadness.
members also have ideas what hez been doing anyway have a good life.
just thinking if i was at ur place and looking myself on mirror how should i feel about fakery ?i still have an advice my brother perhaps last one.
the symptoms showing u are suffering from inferiority complex = feeling that people not treat you well or your unable to achieve something.its more pschycological issue than faith.these types of people are gullible and most of the times they believe in theories related with conspricy.
they dun see things from where people see things although they are unique but insane as per other people.
the believe everybody hates their ideas hence u can feel hate from them very easily?
who to blame their luck or their nature ? a nature what only a foolish can seek ?
but they are only foolish as per 98% still rest of 2% are in their favour or they are suffering from same psychological issues.i may b wrong in all of it but thats what my findings tell me about you. i did work on it untill i find my old threads on flat earth.
SLM
you made me laugh .. hehehe , ANNNNDDDD you got me i am JKHAN ... rotfl rotfl ( ask mod about the ip we use )
probably due my lack of understanding , i dont get your post , are you talking to me or about me or about JKHAN ? what fakery ?
in stead of answering, still dodgin and making assumption about things that isint there .....
pls what was your question , and i try to give an answer.... but i am no scientist.
but are you gonna answer my question with out mocking or dodging ?? if not pls dont answer than...
the symptoms showing u are suffering from inferiority complex = feeling that people not treat you well or your unable to achieve something.
i am not here to get mocked or i am mocking others, i am here to find the truth ( for me ). if we cant discuss without mocking or belittle each other whats the point than....
what is find most weird of the whole flatearth issue ... flatearth thinkers get mocked , get belittled, be called names ... but what if they are right ?? i
mean how can you 100% be sure, like how can they know what the centre of the earth is while they get max 12km in the earthhttps//www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/ask-smithsonian-whats-deepest-hole-ever-dug-180954349/
or last my picture ( from the nasa.gov)
https//spaceplace.nasa.gov/what-is-gravity/en/what-is-gravity2.en.jpgor how can you explain why the crates on moon ( even on earth ) are round , none of the has an tail , like all of the astroid has fallen from a angle of 90 ...
do we use our mind , or are we using the doctrine mind of us .....
why do we underestimate the power of Iblis ?? even Adam could not resist his power while he was "Jennah " , if Adam fall for his trap... who are we to resist the Iblis .....
i am very openminded.. so lets discus this further
ps indeed i see i use dots like JKhan ....
May Allah Guide us to the strait path
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let members find out i like people to research for themselves.
two three years ago i was thinking its three different people using fake accounts again and again and asked same questions. moderators well awaare about all ip science dun u worry. jkhan = kaltun you both are either a same person or from all those three fake accounts. and we are talking shape of earth we are talking shape of fake members now i changed the topic as a twist in movie.btw criminals never say they are criminals even after providing evidence but from inside they know their crimes. some of them confess. but every single time a mirror is showing them in relaity what they are.
just one thing u asked me what was my question and i told you already you will not gona answr what i am asking ? ( prophecy) lol
u can see my previous posts my question is in every single post even steve wonder can see it ? it clearly shows your nature i dun need to explain it why you avoiding the question.and pretending that u didnt even read my posts. ok lets do experiment here.
ask from members what i m asking if they can find my question in posts its mean u can also find it. if you already know it its mean you dun know your defence/answer if u dont know then its mean u are a foolish person select one of the option.
i m again giving u benefit of doubt again although if u r doing it for purpose then god knows whats in hearts? u dun even need to worry about forum people the real fear is feom the one who is watching recording everything.
before my last post i was thinking not to talk i dun doing it becoz i want to expose you but i want to give memebers warning about your dangerous role. they have slight idea anyway soon u will see nobody will gona take interest in replying when they find out your agenda.
but i must say you are doing hard work all of you three (fakers) first you guys made id then slowly slwoly start making people trust that u r a new memeber hahah and in the end u feel memebers clocked out. as i already started this topic so tonight i will share some old threads and i will let memebers to decide all those ids and their writing style. they will easily complete the puzzle.
two three days same like i gather the data of JIN and ALJIN i ll gather all those trollers who encounter with me then u can see who is who by their posting yheir question styles etc is very easy to understand.
people like playing games this time i wana play.
God bless you all.
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@ kaltun
i have something interesting to discuss after i m satisfied that u or anyother member dun have answer of solar eclipse but dun worry this post is purely OFF-TOPIC.
but very interesting topic i wana let members enjoy what i going to share with them.
u dnt need to surprise what i m going to tell you becoz investigation was my field once so have that old insect still inside my mind.
jkhan = kaltun
both same person member can see the writting pattern of both members the dots in the end. unfortunately i know him i dun wana disclose him but i want to warn members about the trolling weapon he have. he is expert in causing troble between people specially by topics what make people start fighting eachother. and hez coming on regularly basis he actually decides whatever happen he will keep continue his mission. but to b honest. whoever he is sometimes i feel real pitty on him i have slight idea about the problems he is suffering through. so i can understand he needs company and there are very few people in this world who engagge in discussion with him so he make account upon account. but what hez doing will not help him in anyway. he will only buy more sadness.
members also have ideas what hez been doing anyway have a good life.
just thinking if i was at ur place and looking myself on mirror how should i feel about fakery ?i still have an advice my brother perhaps last one.
the symptoms showing u are suffering from inferiority complex = feeling that people not treat you well or your unable to achieve something.its more pschycological issue than faith.these types of people are gullible and most of the times they believe in theories related with conspricy.
they dun see things from where people see things although they are unique but insane as per other people.
the believe everybody hates their ideas hence u can feel hate from them very easily?
who to blame their luck or their nature ? a nature what only a foolish can seek ?
but they are only foolish as per 98% still rest of 2% are in their favour or they are suffering from same psychological issues.i may b wrong in all of it but thats what my findings tell me about you. i did work on it untill i find my old threads on flat earth.
Are you insane wasting your valuable time to investigate about me? Manifest psychopath you are? A person with eccentric attitude? You are exposed as someone who is here in this forum for self pride merely ? that?s so apparent ?. Such a character who is totally lost the path.. God?. help him?
Do you read what you have written.. shame ? your investigation and mission failed? I can?t convince your claim? unless you open your eyes? Same you have accepted in the spinning crap and believed in it even before verification.. same you have equaled me to Kaltun and you have another which you not named?You have no verification and only conjecture? you are such a doubtful person.. name the third also, so that person also would understand your ego? I am so sorry kaltun for what you going through coz of me..
Correct your ego and the way you think about others and be more simple and use your knowledge and share .. rather than trying to overcome others from nothing.. try to overcome with truth of quran? so I will surrender ? I am not mean and insane not being able to accept the truth when anyone brought with quran? Really you showed your true color? This is the mean a person can get?
What mission dude you are talking about? what am I gonna do with all the members by creating multiple names? For me one weapon is enough that is me and the knowledge of quran? you are gone beyond limit.. You have found something significant in me that didn?t digest to you?
Yes satan is master of duping and satan found out that I am a threat so used a person like you who is very vulnerable to satan?s deception and whispered in you about me entirely the other side and you took it and accepted and claimed so satan won coz now you have given in the minds of members here something that they have to reconsider? But people are intelligent.. Most of all true believers won?t fail to recognize his her fellow believer? So no issues? When you were fighting like crap with another member in the forum(can?t remember who) and I only told to both just stop it? it?s not good at all? but your ego couldn?t withhold? that?s you..
When I read both of your posts, I perceived you have gone through an extended horrible time pondering over me and have planned to undermine? You forgot what my profession is ??? I am not easily susceptible to emotion except to true love?
Why Moderators are silent in this case? Do you neglect this serious question one of the members is claiming Jkhan = Kaltun and there is more he says.. I wish moderators give a strong answer where I live and where kaltun live? Otherwise I have to doubt even the moderators since all heated topics are gone to bin and this very person claim with confidence that moderators know it crystal clearly ? when I was having argument initially about the shape of the earth months back, I found in the public computer someone has used free-minds web? normally in my profession I quite used to go cafeteria where I use public computers erected free.. normally i see unsigned off gmails or bla bla popped up.. but I have never seen anyone accessed free-minds web and left as it is.. even in my profession when there is session I give my mobile to anyone on the way who I know since we can?t take mobile inside during session.. but few days I found free-minds web is kept open in my mobile? I always close.. that?s for sure.. but I did?t take it serious and thought I am not the only one who is searching truth?But there is no muslims around that?s strange.. but suddenly I found my account is blocked? but after few days it was unblocked? I thought someone hacked? but I am not eccentric or quick judger? to date I don?t know what happened and it only happened for a week or so if my memory is correct.. ever since I don?t find any issues in entering to this website?. And I don?t see no one searching free-minds web in our public computer..
But this insane character is claiming that I am creating accounts after accounts to divert people and to make my mission successful... what a liar you are?. Feel disgusting?.
Who is the third person dude which I am using as my account?
What?s wrong with you? this is not the person I thought about you to date?. You are the one who asked me to research well about Gabriel Michael etc and let you know? with confidence you wanted me to research ?. You could have asked Kaltun or that third person anonymous?
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You are the one who asked me to research well about Gabriel Michael etc and let you know
@ jkhan yeh if i already know who is there i never start talking with you as i already know u force other people to say you disgusting things. some people have this type of nature who like to get disgraced and you are one of them. they feel happy/satisfied if someone treat them lowly.
your next question WHY i am doing this?
actually you started it all, by forcing me in to discussion. and in the end you always feel defated/jealous/sad.
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608576.30
do you remember this thread ? (in which you ACCUSED me of illuminati) lmao rotfl
another reason WHY i am doing it? because you are wasting the time of other members who want to help people by giving new ideas and want to welcome people who are seeking to get help, not only for muslims or quran alone but also everyone who belong to whatever label. and you are cheating with them most of the answers they already gave you you want them to repeat it for you again and again and again. what u need to do is to make a fresh/new id. keep doing it its a good revenge lol.
in this way i m playing my part warning them about dangerous people like you. and if i m spending my time in cause of saving someone from fraud of FAKE members its mean atleast i m doing something good for community..
the history of all those character related with flat earth is suspicious specially it appears some members come again and again from different ids for same questions..?
questions are not a real problem? real problem is the arrogance & manners.
so people who want to avoid themselves from the evil of fakery it will help them..although u can still waste their time i know you will come again and again and again..
REASONs for CHANGING id.
as soon you feel people cloaked out about faking/trolling.
as soon someone reports you about your manner issues.
as soon admins find out about the multiple uses of your ID.example here.
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608640.msg391037#msg391037
@ members i know trollers on flat earth are like virus of computer they will continue to come. i have no power to stop them but what i have is gifted memory what i happily share with you guys.. with the help of my memory i will try to continue it for the benefit of people. to saving them for the fight in which they are not interested. i know its bit weird. i should'nt waste my time. but what is done do done.
i swear of God i never knew who he was untill few days ago. and i wasted my time gathering data of root JINN for him because i was feeling someone get benefit from it, a new learner etc.
you guys can save your time too. you all have a slight idea about him now.. go read the statements of three years ago the way how he provoke members to say him things in return..
hez is still same arrogant/hateful/ill-mannered. he just recently show lack of manners to brother NOVICE. in result novice said not to talk with him future.. before that others members said it too..
example thread
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608314.40
i sometimes play on front foot. and i declare open and reasonable challanges to people even at this forum u guys can see my style..
he can PROVE me wrong right now by taking swear of God. same like i did..
like this " I user of id jkhan never made any other id at this forum " swear it on ALLAH .
if you do it i will apologize from you with pure heart doubting on you.(lets finish this once)
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by the way its an old weapon in debates when a person have no ANSWER to the simple QUESTION and upon asking agian and again they still quiet its mean they will look a way of FIGHT. to ruin the debate or to show anger ( temeperment is a big test) lmao how filmy you are. you know all the rules of escaping.
BUT it appears this solar and lunar eclipse will never let you ?escape ? it will leave impression in your life if am i not wrong. yes lol
its entertainment anyways either to talk about flat earth or or to talk about apparent mysterious reincarnated memebers. i like both of the topics so dun need to get pesonal consider all of it as debates untill it sounds intresting to people .
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by the way its an old weapon in debates when a person have no ANSWER to the simple QUESTION and upon asking agian and again they still quiet its mean they will look a way of FIGHT. to ruin the debate or to show anger ( temeperment is a big test) lmao how filmy you are. you know all the rules of escaping.
BUT it appears this solar and lunar eclipse will never let you ?escape ? it will leave impression in your life if am i not wrong. yes lol
its entertainment anyways either to talk about flat earth or or to talk about apparent mysterious reincarnated memebers. i like both of the topics so dun need to get pesonal consider all of it as debates untill it sounds intresting to people .
Dear Brother
I have no time to keep responding to your nonsensical posts which is made with sheer speculation? Get out of this if you want a freedom from dirty minded thoughts about others?. I can see when I read those old links you furnished that you keep digging deep to people with your ambiguity and hurt them with intention? I think you need lots concentration and forgiveness to be begged with GOD? for sure?
Dear Moderators / Administrators ?.
Last time I ask from you guys? Pls explain who these three members are? or you want to let this member play around with mean words..?THE GUIDED ONE? ?? COUNTRY LIVING ???.. LOCATION LOGIN ???
?KALTUN? ??. COUNTRY LIVING ?? ??.. LOCATION LOGIN ???
?JKHAN? ?? COUNTRY LIVING ?? ?? LOCATION LOGIN ???If you act with honesty and truth, then Brother kawaja you have to ask forgiveness from God as many times as you can coz? you not only made my character under microscope but also claimed I am the owner of these members and still claim I keep creating accounts after accounts?
In the name of the one whom I am surrendered to, you will definitely feel this for life time for deliberate blasphemy on me?.
If Moderators fail to produce the above claim.. it?s your duty kawaja to search who these three members that you raised your voice against while they are innocent? At least if you are good enough to that, in sha allah you will at least avoid such blasphemy on others for life ?. Do it if you are a true believer? otherwise you will only find out your cheapness only on the day of resurrection ?.
Dear All Other old members (2016 and before)?. Just a simple request... ?Kaltuan? is already an active member? But I can see ?The Guided one? inactive for long time? if any of the members have the contact or email addresses of the very member pls contact him or her and let the other members know how senseless this kawaja is?
Still I beg to god to give you more knowledge and patience and clean heart?. Coz I love believers whom God has accepted? that I don?t know who?
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like this " I user of id jkhan never made any other id at this forum " swear it on ALLAH
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How cheap still you are... You want me to make a statement in the name of God,,, For what i have to do it?.. So that you will never act on this manner or you will confess your filthy intentions and you will become a good person in this forum once i have written in this thread what you ask.... Why should i do that ? to sooth the sickness in you... Go man you find your fault and accept your nasty effort or bring evidence for your claim..
If one says the baby is mine ... and another says.. no .. baby is mine... after all physical arguments.. what would be best ... DNA... yes DNA is in the hands of Moderators... Ask them you cowardly blasphemer ..... The one who doesn't have the stamina to hold the argument and found a third class attempt with filthy mind...
Fight with moderators to give the details of those three rather than keep writing to me... My statement will not have any value to you... that's so manifest..Even i say or not you will be you.... such filthy hearts never get cured... as per your thread this nature is in you and you keep on doing it for ages..You found me culprit and you want from me a statement saying against it.... That doesn't have any worth.... bring proof and prove utterly..... people here are not fools...
Your effort is to completely eradicate the root of Jkhan who always brought proof from quran.... If you don't bring proof and moderators not disclose those three members... Then it is up to intelligent people to decide what is going on here... a huge black mark on you and those who support you...
Let me wait and see...So only person who knows that i am innocent is Kaltun.. coz kaltun he is not me...
if you are proved that you are cheater and made blasphemy on me... then if you are person who wears a cloth, don't dare to respond to anyone about guidance in the future....shame.. -
SLM jkhan,
why all the effort for this ??I prefer your research on Quran...
like you said, mods can see our login places...
heck if you check my grammatica and that from jkhan , it says enough ....
i am no here to prove my self for others , i am here to find the truth( for me)...
yesterday i read so much about the flatearth issue here... and there were some "respectable " members here after their post about flatearth they became less respectable even belittled ... like Pazuzu , if you read his post ( not only about flatearth, but his knowlegde) they are gems ..i find it very pity like the way it also goes here, i thought having a free-mind meant to think in freedom.. not insisted thoughts.......
you dont agree , then come up with an decent answer, if you dont have one , dont react pls....
you will gain nothing with belittling, mocking, name calling ect ect..
and i as beleaver in Allah and his books he sent, his angels, his messengers, beleaver in the judgement day , why would i lie , why would i decept you...
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like this " I user of id jkhan never made any other id at this forum " swear it on ALLAH
u have nothing to fear if that statement is based on truth.
and also i will stop doubting about you.eclipse will be still on ur heads
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i was thinking its three different people using fake accounts again and again and asked same questions. moderators well awaare about all ip science dun u worry. jkhan = kaltun you both are either a same person or from all those three fake accounts. and we are talking shape of earth we are talking shape of fake members now i changed the topic as a twist in movie.
@ kaltun
i know what i written , have a look and take your time.
or atleast start thinking about the ECLIPSES on your posts. we should b multitasking.btw u can do the same swear putting your name in place of jkhan.
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@ jkhan As i pointed out manners are issue in all of flat earther beleivers instead i have to say ?flat earth terrorsits? it usually happen when psychopaths approach their defeat on continious events. they are forcing people to believe in flat earth using quran nothing different than who are using quran for killing innocents.
byw one of your hero member have nothing different manners than you.
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608128.0
but in all of it whenever he come he openly named guys its ?me? . thats the only positive thing about him hez brave and you are coward.
although hez still hold a (criminal) status in forum as per the LAWS/RULES/POLICY of forum so he get deleted after every attempt of new id. they are saving us from THE filth what i just showed you.
you guys dnt know how much i enjoy when i see u guys are screaming and terrorising people with ?insults?.
insults are evidence for you guys.ONLY evidence
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@ kaltun
i know what i written , have a look and take your time.
or atleast start thinking about the ECLIPSES on your posts. we should b multitasking.btw u can do the same swear putting your name in place of jkhan.
if u r not in one of the three people who are coming again and again as per my observation.Slm irankhawaja,
you dont know me, i dont know you , i am not gonna swear to you or anyone .. pure the way you approach to us .....
what you think is irrilivant to me unless its about the Quran...
i do expect being treated with (little) respect here ... unless i am disrespectfull , and if i am , i would like to know that also
i find it very funny that you talk about evidence .... evidence for eclipse, funny thing is your so called evidence is from who ?? so called scientist ??
i dont really get the attitude towards different thinkers here ... while most of you denying hadiths , ask yourself why do you deny hadiths ... its weird....
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i find it very funny that you talk about evidence .... evidence for eclipse, funny thing is your so called evidence is from who ?? so called scientist ??
i dont really get the attitude towards different thinkers here ... while most of you denying hadiths , ask yourself why do you deny hadiths ... its weird....
yeh its really weird. world is full of weird people.
i should ask myself if i have to get operate should i go to cobbler for stiches or shall i go to surgeon. both can stitch. ?
and for people who are terrorising people with saying 2+2 = 5 they need this
elektro if its not work then next step usually people start trasferring them to mental asylum if they get more dangerous. u see all the members related with flat earth how they abuse people like MAD/CRAZY (...) if they are debating live flat earher will defo try to kill the perosn.hahaha.thats what their reality even at this forum lot of flat earth terrorists banned or get warned about their terrorism.
even honestly if u put this case in courts.
judge will gona decide that case in first hearing about the shape of earth with respect to the provided evidence.probably they will also ( punish/fine ) flat earthers for wasting the time of courts.lmao
simple is that THE PROVEN fact of time is globe. and flat earther cant change it much apart from terrorising or faking or abusing or trouble causing. u see when somebody else show u mirror how does it feel. but i rate them they got hard skin. shame is not present in them without shame they continue to come again and again.
and when they do it ? other people? really like it foolish people are getting rare in this world.flatearth is big hand to them.
about eclipse ? so dunt you beleive in eclipse? ? if u do then how you explain it in flat earth model i dun know whats hard in this question i have to tell u again and again ?
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simple is that THE PROVEN fact of time is globe.
Is it?
Ok, then. Let?s look at your two main PROOFS that we live on this
https//i.imgur.com/od2CXrl.jpg
PROOF #1 All space agencies have taken photos of Earth from space, and they all show it to be globe. How is it possible that they are ALL lying to us?
You mean these photos?
https//i.imgur.com/GMKhbY8.jpg
It seems to me that the space agencies are all competing against each other to see who can provide better Photoshop images, while they all sit together and laugh at the gullibility of the masses.
When 12 nations who were supposed to be aligned to two warring camps (Soviet Union vs. USA) all sit together on a table, in 1959, in the midst of the so-called ?Cold War?, and all 12 agree unanimously to make Antarctica a restricted, de-militarized, no-go zone, intended only for ?scientific? experiments for the ?good of mankind?, and sign a treaty to enforce this, while these same nations have no problem bombing each other?s cities to oblivion everywhere else on the ?planet?, this is IN YOUR FACE proof that you live in a staged and fake world, whereby all these nations (and by default their space agencies) are in fact controlled by the same hand.
All your ?world leaders? are actually members of the same, big Luciferian club, and are little more than puppets on strings. So yes, it is very easy and very feasible for them to ALL be lying to their people, because the true owners of this world are lying, deceiving, pedophilic, war criminals who are completely and utterly devoid of any conscience.
The world is not run by who you think runs it, nor is it governed the way you think it is governed. It is all a stage, based on fraud and illusion. Failing to understand this is YOUR problem, not ours.
PROOF #2 All planets we see are spherical, so why should the Earth be any different?
Which planets are you referring to? The CGI images and animations given to you by NASA?
When someone has been LYING to you about the very nature of the EARTH you are living on, and given you nothing but oil or matte paintings (1967 ? 1997) and computer constructed images (1997 ? 2019) of a perfect sphere, while at the same time claiming that Earth is actually an egg-shaped / pear-shaped planet, how difficult do you think it is for these clowns to fake images of other planets?
https//i.imgur.com/yauJdn2.jpg
Until now, you have failed to give us your definition of ?planet?, despite what I have shown you that the Arabic word kawkab means ?luminary? of some kind. It does not denote any specific geometric shape. Quran says God adorned the lower heaven with the ornament (zeenah) of luminaries. Some of these luminaries follow more dynamic patters in their movements, and are therefore described as ?planets? (from Greek planetae, which means ?moving? or ?wandering?).
Also, you do not need a sophisticated telescope that is one mile in length, or an observatory the size of a 10 storey building to see the planets or the stars. You can see them for what they really are by means of a camera with a strong zoom lens. And guess what? People all over the world are doing just that, and they are seeing something which completely debunks and destroys what your Luciferian masters in NASA are showing you.
You think that the planet they call ?Mars? is a solid, three dimensional ball of red rock and sand that humans can walk on?
https//i.imgur.com/jqGjKbb.jpg
This is what your imaginary ?spinning ball? called Mars looks like, when magnified through cameras of various zoom lens, and in perfect weather conditions
https//i.imgur.com/GALNEdW.jpg
As you can see, it is exactly as God describes it a luminary adorning the lower heaven, no more than a few hundred miles above us.
Now, expect the evolved big bang monkeys to reply with the same old, lame excuse that the image is not focused properly, because the ordinary people don't have the necessary technology to see Mars for what it really is. So only the space agencies can focus it properly, because they have a monopoly over the truth, and only they can understand the "universe".
So, we are expected to bow down before their ingenuity and accept that by focusing the previous photos taken by cameras, we actually get this
https//i.imgur.com/3LFMZik.jpg
????
The most accurate camera shots of Mars, taken by a Nikon P900 camera still do not show a solid, spinning ball world that is 55 million kilometers from Earth.
https//i.imgur.com/kxKNwV2.jpg
Only a person who has been brainwashed or is on crack can believe that ?focusing? on a luminary will turn it into a solid planet.
But of course, they want you to believe that it is a solid world, because that fits with their agenda of an infinite, unimaginably vast big-bang ?universe? where the Earth is really nothing special, but is just an insignificant ?planet? among trillions of others. So they go further in their deception, and claim that they are landing rovers on Mars, and bringing back samples of its soil to Earth, in order to study them. And the masses of sheep (99% of humanity) actually believe that a remote controlled signal can be sent through the vacuum of space, and still be received from 55 million miles, at a time when we lose cell phone signals just by going to a desert or a forest, here in Earth, no more than 5 miles from the nearest radio tower. brickwall
https//i.imgur.com/ULDlWPU.jpg
A simple reddish tint layer, added by means of a computer program, can work wonders on the minds of the sheeple.
Is the below picture a remote-controlled rover on Mars, or a rover on Devon Island, Canada?
https//i.imgur.com/mEx1RDA.jpg
https//i.imgur.com/mgJdvBU.jpg
And then they show footage of a bunch of clowns, clapping and dancing with joy in the NASA control room, to celebrate landing their robotic rover there. And the sheep fall for it EVERY time.
https//i.imgur.com/YEohmP8.jpg
They steal billions of money from tax-payers every year, and use it to further propagate their universal deception on the masses.
This is what the luminary (kawkab) they call ?Venus? looks like, when magnified
https//i.imgur.com/0wwf8fJ.jpg
It doesn't get anymore focused than that. Now, let's compare it to what the sorcerers of the space agencies show us
https//i.imgur.com/44ockg2.jpg
And here is some more ?science? for you the AMAZING discovery made by NASA, showing a north polar region with auroras over it, on the planet they call ?Jupiter?, for the first time ever, in 2016.
https//i.imgur.com/jYtW2AF.jpg
And here is a photo of Jupiter, two years earlier
https//i.imgur.com/NoJqAP0.jpg
Now, let?s put the two images side by side and see how "scientific" it gets
https//i.imgur.com/lB6TtmX.jpg
Lower the contrast on Photoshop, add a little squiggle of color at the ?pole?, and there you go. You just guaranteed more indoctrination (and another year of funding from the tax budget).
Here?s the computer generated imagery and Photoshop exposed, in your face
https//i.imgur.com/btE2wMq.jpg
Who?s the ?mind terrorist? again?
In reality, this thing they call ?Jupiter? is just a luminary (kawkab), and nothing more.
https//i.imgur.com/xd0U4A3.jpg
Stars and planets are ethereal, electromagnetic pulses, a few hundred miles above us. They are much smaller than the Earth, and are probably (not certainly) caused by sonoluminescence.They are not solid objects, nor are they sterile balls of gas or nuclear furnaces millions and billions of miles away.
https//i.imgur.com/T6ZdIjR.jpg
Your Luciferian masters are defying God and making a mockery of His creation. This is why they gave the planets and the stars names of Greek and Roman gods. It is a sign of what they revere and worship. Once again, the Quran exposes them by telling you that these heavenly phenomenon indeed have a secondary function They serve as rujum for the rebellious devils. Maybe now we are getting closer to what this word means.
Your claim that ?other planets? are spheres and therefore the Earth itself is a sphere is completely false, and utterly baseless, because
- Planets are not solid objects to begin with.
- Earth is not a planet.
What other ?PROOFS? do you have that you can entertain us with?
about eclipse ? so dunt you beleive in eclipse? ? if u do then how you explain it in flat earth model i dun know whats hard in this question i have to tell u again and again ?
I am not aware of this discussion. I will have to go back and check. If someone can be kind enough to post links to the threads, it would be appreciated.
peace
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Peace Blue_Lobster.
I am interested to know where you got your photos from and why are they true and the NASA ones fake?
For example we know the Nasa photos are from the Hubble and other satellites. How were yours taken?
GOD bless you.
Peace.