Qur'an Universe Model Is Geocentric
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@ GL i already explained they are Good at FAKERY.
@ FLATEARTHER is it take 2.5 years to understand the question about ecplise?
we ALL knows that you guys dnt have answers.
we still ask why ? thats a good question why we are asking from you again and again when we know its impossible to make eclipse model in FE.
its happened when cat hunts a mouse/mice/rat....
first cat play with mouse, tease him, throwing from one side to another, etc
then in the end she eventually kill rat.eclipse plays same on the FE beleivers. whenever a round earther wana tease u guys like cat and mouse play they use this secret weapon.
and most of the time the SCREAMINGS/ABUSING of Flatearther gives a real satisfaction to the people who are asking about eclipses lmao voodoo
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Peace..
As you would all see with your naked eye, the path of the sun and moon is very identical... Rise from east and set in the west though both don't have in reality rising and setting... Even the size of sun and moon is looking identical.. If u filter with your cameras full moon and sun you can verify it...
Let us work through the cycle, starting with the full Moon. At full Moon, the moon rises at sunset and sets at sunrise. At 3rd quarter, the moon rises at midnight and sets at noon. At new, the moon rises at sunrise and sets at sunset, and we don't see any of the illuminated side!
Yes.. That's the truth and that's what the so called Scientists say...
So the path of moon is very clear same as Sun in our visible sky.. ... Only thing it goes bit slow pace compared to Sun every day.. Be it summer or winter or whatever.. (can verify by placing your ikon 900 camera stationary on floor and fully focus to moon.. Till it disappears from your screen.. Same to Sun... U will see Sun woukd disappear fast)
Now let's turn to solar eclipse.... We all know whenever the solar eclipses are reported the Moon duirng that period is in its new moon phase... i.e. invisible period from the earth... At least two days you may see moon is not visible before first/new crescent moon apears.. ...
But on a day of solar eclipse the invisible new moon magically becomes visible that is in the form of complete black disc in front of sun... Can anyone One with their open mind say by looking at it that it is moon... Even my friends who are firmly rooted in globe earth says it cannot be moon or they say it doesn't look like moon at all.. Or they say no evidence to show that it is moon... For some.. No clue...
Okay.. You all have seen total solar eclipses at least in videos... Curious thing is have you noticed how the so called black moon's path..? It goes totally opposite direction to Sun...this is well known reality... And even sun looks stationary and this black magic looks moving crossing it faster than sun... Note( sun never looks moving to naked eye from the earth though it's moving and same moon)but this black object showed to naked eye it is moving... But remember in our naked eye and in reality when the sun sets NEW MOON also sets instantly.. That's undeniable/verifiable/observable truth... To prove it you can experiment with the new first crescent moon which comes after invisible moon... Which sets just after few minutes of sun set, so we we can imagine the previous days invisible moon would have set with almost sun.. Or refer time and date web...If New moon sets once the sun sets, where does this black moon move duirng a solar eclipses? It is clearly not moving along the path of sun in order for it to set along with sun.... It should go with Sun if it wants to set when sun sets at usual .. Instead this black moon looks moving towards east...
On the same day when solar eclipses occurred when sun setting the moon also should set...but so called black moon didn't seem going on the path where it normally sets which is west... But sun moved west.. Black moon didn't move west... Even it's shadow on the earth moved from west to east... That's bizarre... (illogical answers given when asked)
Upon the visible senses and evidences, Is it really the moon that blocks the sun during eclipses as they say.. Or there is a mystery behind it but Known by those who predict the eclipse... But not informing us as they hide all truths..
There is definitely two shadow objects of size of sun and moon.. People can call it anyway... Like shadow planets or Rahu/ketu.. Multiple celestial bodies... .but they are totally invisible and dark.. All eclipses cause darkness if not entirely.. coz it blocks light... Though they are invisible but solid objects circling as any other objects in the sky which can be traced with.. So it is not difficult to predict with technology .. But ancient people knew it's movement out of curiosity and fear they worked out brilliantly... Coz eclipses were bad omen in their life coz of darkness...
Did God point out everything what He created? No... For example did Allah say how many stars He created.. No... How many shooting objects ? How many celestial bodies... Absence of explanation doesnt mean no possibility....God guide us....
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But on a day of solar eclipse the invisible new moon magically becomes visible that is in the form of complete black disc in front of sun..
hahahahahahahaha rotfl
after 2.5 years atleast i have an answer the funny one.
so MAGIC is the reason for eclipses ? hahahaha oh my gosh
And even sun looks stationary and this black magic looks moving crossing it faster than sun... Note( sun never looks moving to naked eye from the earth though it's moving and same moon.)
elektro
i have a wish send a diagram of this magic make sure use FLAT earth model.
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Peace jkhan.
Just tell brother Imran eclipses are faked by NASA and shayateen. We are deluded to see eclipses and think they are real?!!!!
Instead of saying this, quoteUpon the visible senses and evidences, Is it really the moon that blocks the sun during eclipses as they say.. Or there is a mystery behind it but Known by those who predict the eclipse... But not informing us as they hide all truths..
It would have saved you writing all that "nonsense explanation". Surely if you read it again you would want to distant yourself from it. It does not make one iota of sense.
Or perhaps we are "eclipsed" from seeing sense in your post.
GOD bless you.
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mathematics used for shapping the earth is also a conspricy of NASA lol
if nasa say sky is blue dnt beleive it.
if other countries like russia,japan,saudia,uk send their astronauts in space staion its mean all countries are agents of NASA.
All pilots of airplanes are sub agents.
all research labarotories including INDIA his own country got a plan for space. all
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As expected... This emoji rotfl..Even before write I know people like you will mock and hopefully more to join.. Will I stop... Then it's your dream.. . Is it new... Who cares... But I am sure there will be intelligent people who will ponder on this or they already aware even far better than this.... As kaltun said there are gem of knowledge around.. coz they all were once globe lenient coz it was taught and brainwashed..
When Quran was delivered the one who made fun of it were more or those who believed in... Needless to say... Even after ages elapsed the one who laugh at it.. Who cares about it... As those great says... Truth always first mocked showing like nonsensical thing, then vehemently hated and disgusted and finally accepts it... So we have patience dear brothers and sisters.. Isn't God patient over what people say against him... So we are believers in him always patient..it doesn't mean we keep quiet.. . We believe truth so bring it... And see whether we deny.... We are formost to believe the truth and never mock the truth.... But always verify....but always against deception... Not like you... Yes.. Kawaja.. Like you decided my country is India without any verification and you always same... That's what goes wrong with u.. ... Since you mentioned India see the link of those great Indians has to say... Dear Members just a link and not necessarily take it as truth...just to show even globe believers don't accept everything what NASA says... Good to learn...
https//krishna.org/astronomy-debunked-solar-eclipses-are-not-caused-by-the-moon/ -
Peace jkhan.
Your link is not saying the earth is flat and stationary. look at the picture of the earth on your link?However what your link is not explaining is the motion of the moon. Have you looked at the eclipse yourself? there is only sun moon and earth creating the process.
For the special cases of solar and lunar eclipses, these only happen during an "eclipse season", the two times of each year when the plane of the Earth's orbit around the Sun crosses with the plane of the Moon's orbit around the Earth.
The type of solar eclipse that happens during each season (whether total, annular, hybrid, or partial) depends on apparent sizes of the Sun and Moon. If the orbit of the Earth around the Sun, and the Moon's orbit around the Earth were both in the same plane with each other, then eclipses would happen each and every month. There would be a lunar eclipse at every full moon, and a solar eclipse at every new moon. And if both orbits were perfectly circular, then each solar eclipse would be the same type every month.
It is because of the non-planar and non-circular differences that eclipses are not a common event. Lunar eclipses can be viewed from the entire nightside half of the Earth. But solar eclipses, particularly total eclipses occurring at any one particular point on the Earth's surface, are very rare events that can be many decades apart.
Your link does not explain all these types!
Nowadays these are calculated precisely . All you need to do is go out there and observe them yourself. Do you want me to provide the timetable? Look them out for yourself like here
http//mreclipse.com/Special/LEprimer.html
GOD bless you.
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As expected... This emoji rotfl..
But I am sure there will be intelligent people who will ponder on this or they already aware even far better than this....
Kawaja.. Like you decided my country is India without any verification.
RED i know this emoji is PAIN in A**
GREEN yes there are intelligent people they already cracked it. but we also have foolish as well as intelligents God calculation.
God give brain to people according to the worth/value of individual.
the most weak/foolish/stupid minds are only reserved for flat earther believers in the system of brain distribution.
BLUE either you are a liar or u dnt have much academic knowledge how to tell locations/timezones.
select one of them.your quote yesterday ?at the same time in my current location which is subcontinent 5 hours difference..?
thats y dnt try to say things what will prove u more foolish.so thats why stick to the topic of eclipse. its another matter if u enjoy getting disgraced as i told earlier some people like to treat lowly and u r one of them. they enjoyed when sombody say them filthy things. and they force people to say things in the end by arguing or by abusing them. if u want that satisfaction open a new thread and say hay people i made special thread so that i can have my satisfaction so plz help me disgracing myself. that thread u will have lot of views. what else u will want after that.MAGIC is all we have after 2.5 years rotfl
imagine if flat earther is in lecture of eclipse and he use MAGIC there i hope students will
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. Truth always first mocked showing like nonsensical thing, then vehemently hated and disgusted and finally accepts it...
The above suits you kawaja but I doubt the lastly you will accept.. God will... Keep on saying all things against me... Nice to hear... Atvleawt one day you will stop right...
Now only I saw... The above quote I forgot to add the significant part... Truth goes through such process. But unfortunately DECEPTION is instant like you.. No process.. I mean.. No mocking.. No hatred and no late acceptance... But in lightning fast deception happens and blinded... Those who accepted NASA and round earth can decide whether they mock first or hated and accepted. .no... Straight shot....
Go learn how many countries in subcontinent....
You took the magic for fun and haven't read it all... That's insane...
Hmm in a way... You keep it as real magic and well.. Why coz.. When something is not in the place it should be if they claim it is then it is kind of magic... Prove it's moon in front of sun on solar eclipse... Dont parrot...
Santa Claus for adults the globe spin...that's funny... Adults kids.. Just grow up pls... -
Go learn how many countries in subcontinent....
You took the magic for fun and haven't read it all... That's insane...
..BOLD you learn time zones of subcontinent first. thats y i said u have no knowledge of timezones instead of using the name of the country you used a region got more than five time zones . here they are.
Pakistan 530 hrs diff
bangladesh 4 30 hrs diff
Nepal 4 45 hrs diff
bhutan 4 30 hrs diff
maldives 5 30 hrs diffINDIA & Srinlanka 5 hrs difference as u stated.
btw are u from srilanka ? i highly doubt. but everything is possible in flat earth.
GREEN magic is always for fun. people get insane in MAGIC.even a kid watching circus knows it. but magic is not acceptable in explaining eclipse. i made ur post productive by giving it a funny shape. that what it deserved.
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btw are u from srilanka ? i highly doubt.
everything that you HIGHLY DOUBT is actually OPPOSITE.... that's pathetic.... at least now you know where i am living currently.... find out where Kaltun living and the other one.. what's it.. somthing like Guided person... Find all those places... so at least you can relax with your conjecture.... yayAnd atleast you will perceive i am not those people whom you harbored doubt... i wonder you will ever learn... unless you change your attitude...
btw wonderful nation this pearl island like an imaginary paradise...and lovely people enriched with Buddha's teaching... lovely smiling people.. i know in every nation the dirty ones are living.... but all in all wonderful place to live and to have a visit.. you are welcome handshake the Conjecture oriented fellow..... I was in London during last December ... if you shown your true color that time i could have met you to solve your doubt...... hope you are living in England ..
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thats why i already said u dnt know how to tell timezones. it only reveals that u r stupid/unintelligent at extreme.
and about my doubt you dnt need to worry, becoz a stupid perosn can use his location as subcontinent. when he dnt know locations himself.if u would have used ur correct time time location(country) by using ur brian. then we are not having this convo. as i stated earlier u never lose any opportunity to get urself disgraced. but i think the most favourite disgracing is by me. thats why u enjoyed it a lot.
worry about solar eclipse, someone did balck magic on it. may b NASA
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Dear brother and sisters who believe not in spinning myth..
Pls watch this video... It's very informative and deduce yiur judgment...
Even those who are Globe believers take a look. .at least you can gain some knowledge...
I am sure most of you have not seen this video..https//youtu.be/0ILkHoaySeY
God guide us...
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book of science/astronomy 2000 yrs ago. with unproven theories/myths/MAGICs
book of science/astronomy 2019 AD with proven facts.thats the only difference so globe earthers can save their time otherwise they will end abusing the video loader lmao.
?RAHU? mai un say mulakat ho gayi.
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Saalam Neptin,
I do believe the earth is 100% flat. There's a lot of verses talk about it in Quran. I would like to share my thought in this forum, please find it here..https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9609156.msg413444#msg413444
it's not just about the flat earth model, but also talk about the "tree that was cursed in the quran" (as they said). Actually it's a palm tree model which has become the test for the mankind. You will get the big picture if you read the entire post series.
Please let me know your thoughts.
Salaam
Thank you. I think I'm confused at this point. I have read flat earth arguments, some do make sense. Like if the earth were rotating, objects thrown vertically from one point should not fall to the same point. We should be able to travel by just suspending ourselves in the air and wait for the earth to rotate into our destination, right?
Still there are problems with flat earth, like the eclipse of course. Also, the sky suppose to be a visible dome or firmament. I wonder how we can confirm this.
So, am kind of stuck in a loop. I have created this thread on Qur'an Divinity section of this forum because I know Muslims who left the religion over cosmological issues and at the same time, I know Muslims who rejected mainstream science over Qur'an cosmology.
This is not the point where I begin to question Qur'an divinity or accuracy yet, this is the point where I understand the Qur'an as the primary audience, the pre-Islamic Arabs understood it.
Yes, if we really want to understand Qur'an, we ought to consider the position of the its primary audience. If we were the primary audience of the Qur'an, we wont think of the sun orbiting the center of the milky way galaxy when we read the verses alluding to solar orbit. It's just that simple.
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We should be able to travel by just suspending ourselves in the air and wait for the earth to rotate into our destination, right?
peace, suggest study basic math and physics
new generation of GPS satellites launching
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=iShK3QubGWshttps//www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNKgCmzdOMo
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Thank you. I think I'm confused at this point. I have read flat earth arguments, some do make sense. Like if the earth were rotating, objects thrown vertically from one point should not fall to the same point. We should be able to travel by just suspending ourselves in the air and wait for the earth to rotate into our destination, right?
Make sense? How does this nonsense make sense?
This is something which even today's high school student can easily explain.Do a small experiment, when you're sitting in a forward moving car, throw a coin upward inside the car.
Does the coin moves backward?This is not the point where I begin to question Qur'an divinity or accuracy yet, this is the point where I understand the Qur'an as the primary audience, the pre-Islamic Arabs understood it.
It's also inline with the cosmological view of the surrounding people. (Jews, Egyptians, Babylonian / Persians, Greek / Byzantium Romans etc..) 1400 years ago.
They think sky is a roof, star is a lamp fixed on the ceiling of the sky (and they don't know the differences between star and planet) and a falling star is a missile thrown by Gods / Angels to chase away eavesdropping devil.
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Make sense? How does this nonsense make sense?
This is something which even today's high school student can easily explain.Do a small experiment, when you're sitting in a forward moving car, throw a coin upward inside the car.
Does the coin moves backward?It's also inline with the cosmological view of the surrounding people. (Jews, Egyptians, Babylonian / Persians, Greek / Byzantium Romans etc..) 1400 years ago.
They think sky is a roof, star is a lamp fixed on the ceiling of the sky (and they don't know the differences between star and planet) and a falling star is a missile thrown by Gods / Angels to chase away eavesdropping devil.
If the high school students are parrots they would do same if the high school students are not brainwashed and indoctrinated like you then they will find ways beyond what is in text books.....
Just leave the crap of car and coin.... Moving car.. Ha ha ha..take the reality... Rather the. Guess work... . Even take a flight for that... If the car or flight moving in its maximum speed and spin rotate and tilt and move and that also in round about then the story is totally different... Coin won't be in your hand to throw up....you will be thrown out of the window....
Indoctrination at best.....
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Make sense? How does this nonsense make sense?
This is something which even today's high school student can easily explain.Do a small experiment, when you're sitting in a forward moving car, throw a coin upward inside the car.
Does the coin moves backward?What nonsensical things are given to experiment?. Just parroting what NASA says.. and blindly accepts.. No verification at all.....
Point here is to tell that Earth is moving with it?s atmosphere ? how funny the their common sense is? comparing the car and coin with earth and atmosphere?.
When a train is moving if you throw a ball up vertical it will fall to your hand back (hopefully) but in the same train you go to the roof and throw the same ball? do I need explain the result?? same inside a plane?. What is actually moving the wheels of the train and the boogies go forward with the air inside if the shutters are closed? if not even the ball thrown up wont fall same place? Same for plane..
How silly to compare this with the entire earth and it?s atmosphere? remember when train and plane completely airtight this phenomena works? But are the earth and atmosphere completely covered? No chance? it is not a closed chamber? atmosphere has no physical barrier on the top to move with the earth? it?s in its own? For example?. If actually atmosphere is moving with the earth then first atmosphere should have complete circle parallel to the earth and at certain height in the sky that parallel barrier should not rotate with the earth? So, those so called rockets NASA claim passing through all these barriers? imagine earth and atmosphere is moving 67000 miles and rotating 1000 miles in it?s axis.. no need to explain physics of penetrating one objects moving from another motioning object?. It?s worse than caught with a hurricane or tornado?.. for example if I want to jump from a moving train then I need the better speed than the train? still it is a havoc?
Atmosphere and earth not moving that?s well known?. But still lets work out whether their myth has even sense..?.earth moves 67000 mile per hour 30 km per second meanwhile it rotate as well.. But rocket as per the myth it travels 7.9 km per second?. Now penetrate at the point of atmosphere movement edge?. Atmosphere movement relaxing point (no atmosphere movement or so called SPACE) travels at 30 km per second and rocket reach that point with 7.9 km per second while still inside the movement of atmosphere? when the train is moving at 300 kmph can I jump out of it with the speed of 79 kmph.. ? what will happen to me? I will be thrown out coz of the high speed of the train?
There is no spinning there is no rotation but stationary earth?..
Other point is MOON has no atmosphere like EARTH?. So simple logic with myth? anything which is nearing the surface of the earth is moving with the earth.. for example when a flight is to be landed it is moving with atmosphere so flights landing without any problem of the speed of the earth movement ? though earth and flight are moving.. ? Now lets apply that to Moon?. Now moon has no atmosphere .. any object or which is moving near to the moon should try to catch to land on the moving moon coz no support of atmosphere like earth and flight example..?. Do we see this on so called moon landing and rover landing? it?s totally same as what is something landing on this earth? it should definitely look like the rover is landing on a moving moon surface.. which is moving 3,683 kmph and moving 2,290,000 km during that time?. NO atmosphere and this rover appears landing on a stationary looking land surface? such a nonsense.. that?s called nonsense?
Now if those AstroNOTs jump up in the sky while on moon which has no atmosphere(moving with the moon) they should have been thrown into space if we apply simple logic? Such a lie of Low Gravity? makes sense to many but not for intelligent people.. it is nonsense? ignore