Qur'an Universe Model Is Geocentric
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Wherever we may turn is the face of God.
No problem ever with the qibla.
Salaam
right!
2115 and to god the eastern/sunrise and the western/sunset so wherever of turn ye of so there face/countenance the god indeed the god extensive knower
2185 shahru/moon cycle ramadan (heat) {i.e. there are two (n. and s. hemispheres)} the one descends in it the qur?an/recitation guidance to the humankind and clear signs from the guidance and the criterion so who witness among you l-shahra/the moon cycle so should abstained it and who be illness of or on journey so count from days another intended the god with you the ease and not intended with you the hardship and to complete ye of the count and to magnify ye of the god on what guide you and perhaps you thanks giving
1087 ... and makes ye of houses yours qiblatan/focal point and establish ye of l-alata/the connection and tidings the believers
peace!
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Peace kaltun.
If you see Qoran as a set of rules and regulations, I do not.
I see the deen as a state of mind. A mind that is in tune / in a relation with GOD the creator and respects all the creation. A mind that follows the Sirat Al Mustaqueen as defined in 6{151-153.}"Inna Deen Inda Allah Al Islam" and "Ihdina Tariq Al Mustaqueem"
It is also a choice. "La Ikraha Fi Deen" .GOD does not force this deen on anyone.
Fa Man Chaa Fal Umin Wa Man Chaa Falyakfur?"Whoever want to believe...and whoever want to disbelieve."If one wants to become a Muslim ,then they should have no objection to following the best path instructed by GOD in Qoran.
GOD does not expect people to pretend or to force themselves to do things they do not like or agree with. It is better if they were honest with themselves and only did things that make sense to them or things that they agree with.
That is better in the sight of GOD.
There is nothing wrong with having a private debate with GOD about all your doubts. GOD is listening.
If you want to take a journey with GOD .it is private and very personal between you and your creator.If you want to go it alone or rely on others that is also your freedom of choice.. But you are accountable for having the faculties(eyes ears and brain) GOD gave you to use. If one misuses them they have only themselves to blame.
For me it is a no brainer. I do not see a way out except back to GOD at the end.
So by choice and I am glad I realised this. I willingly decline my "Amana" other choice. I submit to the Lord of the universe and seek his friendship, light and guidance direct .
I do not see any problems with following the best path from Qoran s instruction. GOD has made his deen easy once
.the trial period of "making the decision" to enter into an agreement with the creator is over After all GOD will want to "try you" if you mean it or not!!!.
Of course my human instinct is fighting this surrender daily but I cannot go back on my covenant/agreement .In short we are free but people make a problem for themselves by conforming to things they doubt or do not make sense to them.
Your decision alone is required ,nobody else will bare your burden whether you rely on them or not.
GOD guides and teaches all the true believers.
GOD bless you.
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Peace...
2318 "And We sent down out of heaven water in measure and lodged it in the earth; and We are able to take it away"
I wish there is any technology in my hand to see how it rains in newzealnd while I am in Sweden..... To see that upside down raining... Rain comes down from down sky to down earth... That would be really funny.... I wonder that's what God says we send down rain... rotfl
Or even raining horizontally to China..... Lol... Globe heads never think... Only parroting...
Or at least show us a CGI specimen.. That would be funny... I will keep such a specimen in my garden to see water falling on the top of the ball and water falling to the down of the ball from down....
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Slm Goodlogic,
If you see Qoran as a set of rules and regulations, I do not.
I see the deen as a state of mind. A mind that is in tune / in a relation with GOD the creator and respects all the creation. A mind that follows the Sirat Al Mustaqueen as defined in 6{151-153.}first rule is having iman ...
you are seeing this as an state of mind .. but i see this an rule, if you dont follow it , then your out right ...
@huruf my post was sarcastic , i know Quran only dont beleave in facing the Qibla orso...but my post was for sunni who is beleaving in spacetravel
@jkhan , according the globe you always look to the sky , the sky is always above on the ground
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Peace jkhan.
The problem of being upside down is a simple one
Remember that the Earth is a sphere, like a giant ball so there is no "up" or "down", since a sphere is symmetric. That is, it looks the same no matter what way you look at it. So, people in Australia have just as much right to call themselves "up" as people in the Northern Hemisphere do!
But more to the point, the force that keeps everything on the Earth from falling off it is gravity it's the pull exerted by one object on another because of its mass. For objects like the Earth, the force exerted by the Earth's mass pulls objects in the direction of the Earth's centre. This means that wherever you are on the Earth, the force is always "down" into the ground. That's what keeps everything on Earth "right-side up", even those in Australia!Or if you like another way
Up and Down are all a local perspective. For a person in the northern hemisphere, the zenith position in the southern hemisphere seems to be "down". But for a person in the southern hemisphere, zenith is what he/she will call "up". Gravity is always aligned towards the center of the Earth, and so the direction perpendicular to the surface of Earth (at any location on Earth) is what will be referred to as "up" (locally). Hence, everywhere on Earth, a person is still walking "normally" straight up. An analogy is to refer to directions using "right" and "left. Depending on what cardinal direction you are facing, the terms "right" and "left" will differ. What is "right" to one person will be "left" for another (if he were facing the opposite direction). Thus, "right" and "left" are not absolute; they are relative. In the same way, "up" and "down" are also relative and not absolute. Up to a person in the north pole is different from what it means to a person in the equator or in the south pole.Yes brother, we all look at the same sky . We all have the same atmosphere and we all get rain clouds,rain,snow...
GOD bless you.
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Peace jkhan.
The problem of being upside down is a simple one
Remember that the Earth is a sphere, like a giant ball so there is no "up" or "down", since a sphere is symmetric. That is, it looks the same no matter what way you look at it. So, people in Australia have just as much right to call themselves "up" as people in the Northern Hemisphere do!
But more to the point, the force that keeps everything on the Earth from falling off it is gravity it's the pull exerted by one object on another because of its mass. For objects like the Earth, the force exerted by the Earth's mass pulls objects in the direction of the Earth's centre. This means that wherever you are on the Earth, the force is always "down" into the ground. That's what keeps everything on Earth "right-side up", even those in Australia!Or if you like another way
Up and Down are all a local perspective. For a person in the northern hemisphere, the zenith position in the southern hemisphere seems to be "down". But for a person in the southern hemisphere, zenith is what he/she will call "up". Gravity is always aligned towards the center of the Earth, and so the direction perpendicular to the surface of Earth (at any location on Earth) is what will be referred to as "up" (locally). Hence, everywhere on Earth, a person is still walking "normally" straight up. An analogy is to refer to directions using "right" and "left. Depending on what cardinal direction you are facing, the terms "right" and "left" will differ. What is "right" to one person will be "left" for another (if he were facing the opposite direction). Thus, "right" and "left" are not absolute; they are relative. In the same way, "up" and "down" are also relative and not absolute. Up to a person in the north pole is different from what it means to a person in the equator or in the south pole.Yes brother, we all look at the same sky . We all have the same atmosphere and we all get rain clouds,rain,snow...
GOD bless you.
Peace.Peace Brother GL
I sense you are a matured old man... Correct me if I am wrong... But I am still young... So I don't like to give you bit of pressure in your blood.... But simply I will advice... Pls don't parrot.... Pls don't repeat NASA or google search... You are Good logic... Pls use that and come up with perception and reality.... I have learned physics my dear brother.... I worked hard to pass those subjects.... But they are merely certificates gained on lies....for Reality no one will give me certificate and no need... There is only one truth and for that no second truth..... Whats your name by the way.... My name is Khan....
There is no up and down for sephere.... yay That made my blood circulation a bit of freshness.
Is so hard to prove earth is Globe while flat earth people ask questions..... That's what's see in all such videos... Globe heads only laugh and they never come up with their own observations and experiment but keep parroting as if we studied Flat theory in high school rotfl -
Peace jkhan.
Thanks for your consideration.
But I feel like a 21 year old, I act like a 6 year old and a 60 year old( depends on the time and company!) and I think like "I do not know anything unless I check it for myself" and that has nothing to do with age.As far as thinking goes, do not be easy on me. We must fight and work hard for true knowledge irrespective of age.
By the way have you come back in this thread on the verse"Yukawwiru Al Leyl Ala Al Nahar Wa Yukawwiru Al Nahar Ala Al Leyl?"?
What is you take on it?
GOD bless you.
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Peace Sultan Brandon.
Does going into space to observe not benefit both you and me? It means you will be sure.For me, all the signs , Science,day, night,time and seasons point to "spaceship earth" taking us on a journey brother.
I wonder how time will exist without motion.
Also I do not know what you mean by ,quote
The moon doesn't fall to the earth because its transparent.
Has it not got rocks on it?
Anyway, thank you also for the conversation.
GOD bless you.
Peace.Yeah I would love to go into "space". And I quote space because there's evidence that the earth is surrounded by a dome covered with water, even according to the Qur'an when it talks about opening the gates of the sky. But the point is that neither of us have actually been up there so we can't use that as an argument for observing the earth. And we know that NASA's images are fake even by their own admission.
Peace jkhan.
The problem of being upside down is a simple one
Remember that the Earth is a sphere, like a giant ball so there is no "up" or "down", since a sphere is symmetric. That is, it looks the same no matter what way you look at it. So, people in Australia have just as much right to call themselves "up" as people in the Northern Hemisphere do!
But more to the point, the force that keeps everything on the Earth from falling off it is gravity it's the pull exerted by one object on another because of its mass. For objects like the Earth, the force exerted by the Earth's mass pulls objects in the direction of the Earth's centre. This means that wherever you are on the Earth, the force is always "down" into the ground. That's what keeps everything on Earth "right-side up", even those in Australia!Or if you like another way
Up and Down are all a local perspective. For a person in the northern hemisphere, the zenith position in the southern hemisphere seems to be "down". But for a person in the southern hemisphere, zenith is what he/she will call "up". Gravity is always aligned towards the center of the Earth, and so the direction perpendicular to the surface of Earth (at any location on Earth) is what will be referred to as "up" (locally). Hence, everywhere on Earth, a person is still walking "normally" straight up. An analogy is to refer to directions using "right" and "left. Depending on what cardinal direction you are facing, the terms "right" and "left" will differ. What is "right" to one person will be "left" for another (if he were facing the opposite direction). Thus, "right" and "left" are not absolute; they are relative. In the same way, "up" and "down" are also relative and not absolute. Up to a person in the north pole is different from what it means to a person in the equator or in the south pole.Yes brother, we all look at the same sky . We all have the same atmosphere and we all get rain clouds,rain,snow...
GOD bless you.
Peace.You keep repeating those same claims that mass attracts and that up and down is relative except you still havn't provided an experiment or model to demonstrate it. While in reality, up and down is absolute and we can prove it by pouring water over objects and watching what happens, even if you're holding a sphere. And if your mind keeps deviating to the same excuse that "well its because the center of mass blahblahblah" then return to fact that there is no experiment to demonstrate that and it contradicts what actually happens when we use real science and observation. And to claim otherwise is nothing but conjecture. Especially since I already mentioned multiple times that we can prove mass doesn't attract by setting two bowling balls next to each other. So if you want to believe the claims you're making then you can, but prove it with a working model and experiment and instead of parroting what mainstream shills have taught you, or accept that those theories are false.
In the name of God, the All-Mighty, the Merciful
1036 Most of them only follow conjecture. While conjecture does not avail against the truth in anything. God is aware of what they do.
5411 So We opened the gates of the sky with pouring water.
2318 And We sent down from the sky water in due measure, then We let it reside in the land, and We are capable of taking it away.
3110 He created the sky without pillars that you can see. And He cast onto the earth stabilizers so that it would not tumble with you, and He spread on it all kinds of creatures. And We sent down water from the sky, thus We caused to grow all kinds of good plants.
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Peace Sultan Brandon.
First 1036 apply to both of us.
Now do you think I am ignoring your proof?
It was no proof, staged and faked experiments are the norm on you tube and the internet and you know that.
If I give you any links or information, I am not passing it as proof. You check it and decide.
I have done that with your information and disagreed with you, like you happen to disagree with mine.As for the verses you provided,you misunderstand or ignore the fact that the sky does not have a gate or gates that we can
see or even perceive. It is clear they are talking about falling rain from above and the seven layers of earth s atmosphere.
Same as stabilisers of the earth are mountains.And you are right seeing from above will be real believing. So we wait brother.
GOD bless you.
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@ gl save ur time if u are mature enough to underatand whats going on.
possibly you already tell both of them on many occassions i m sure. lot of reincarnated members are active now a days.their treatment is ECLIPSE easy to understand and easy to observe on correct shape of earth. rest of their answers we already know just from now in every thread ask them just about eclipse for saving time or for irritating them lol. then u see their long posts get short. and waiting periods increase.
lem me tell you, atleast 15 run away from me when i ask about eclipse .
15 out of which its only 2 or 3repeated memebers on all those 15 ids.now situation is this when i beat them and after lot of embarrasment and defeat and specially after eclipse u see they disappear. and create a new id.
FAKE members get retire when u keep asking them about eclipse one day they will decide to say bullshit things to members becoz they know thats the only way to show grudge and then NEW id and reincarnation process started if somebody is interested i can tell them who jkhan is in reality ( he thinks i dnt know) but i know more than he can imagine.
at this specific time its more than 5 fake ids active so be careful while giving reply.
did u see i hardly giving them answers what i already gave to them. thats why i only ask about eclipse.answers so far one magical sun and magical moon is described by both of them. yay
brother GL enjoy their screaming now as i make it easy for you.
ask me PM for all those old and new fake id ( so that before giving reply to someone fake) save ur time u and other members already gave them answers more than one time.@flatearthers if u wana reply to that post just reply ECLIPSE part that what we need from you. after that u have two options either accept yoir defeat or shamelessly stay here like losers choice is yours.
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Peace Imran.
Thank you for your post.
I know about eclipse, well some things about itHow did the ocean say hello to the sun after the eclipse? It waved.
How do you organize a solar eclipse party? You planet.
What?s the most famous painting of an eclipse? The Moona Lisa
Why did the teacher bring solar eclipse glasses to school? He had bright sunny students.
Why diddn t the sun go to university? It has more than a million degrees.
What day is the eclipse happening? Moonday.
Why did Lord Voldemort watch the eclipse? To practice the dark arts.(Magic)
Boy Dad, can you tell me what an eclipse is? Dad No sun.
Jupiter to moon on Aug. 21 Do you remember the sun? Moon No, I blocked it out.
GOD bless you.
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Peace Sultan Brandon.
First 1036 apply to both of us.
Now do you think I am ignoring your proof?
It was no proof, staged and faked experiments are the norm on you tube and the internet and you know that.
If I give you any links or information, I am not passing it as proof. You check it and decide.
I have done that with your information and disagreed with you, like you happen to disagree with mine.As for the verses you provided,you misunderstand or ignore the fact that the sky does not have a gate or gates that we can
see or even perceive. It is clear they are talking about falling rain from above and the seven layers of earth s atmosphere.
Same as stabilisers of the earth are mountains.And you are right seeing from above will be real believing. So we wait brother.
GOD bless you.
Peace.All of the proof I provide is simple experiments and facts like pouring water over an object to observe how it behaves and understand the nature of reality. Nothing about that is "staged or fake". Its basic science that even a child could do. Same thing with setting bowling balls next to each to prove that mass doesn't attract.
Just because we can't see something doesn't mean it doesn't exist or can't act like a barrier like the highest parts of the atmosphere. God also mentions rain coming from clouds in other ayat, so "gates" must refer to something different. Its also talking about the flood when Noah was alive, not normal rainfall. But its a matter of opinion and we can leave it at that.
May God bless you as well.
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brother GL look he skipped ur ECLIPSE post again hahah muscle
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brother GL look he skipped ur ECLIPSE post again hahah muscle
I've already explained eclipses twice. There's also plenty of information on Youtube about it.
And his last post was a joke. You might actually be retarded.
In the name of God, the All-Mighty, the Merciful
1042 And there are some of them who listen to you; but can you make the deaf hear, if they do not comprehend?
1623 Certainly, God knows what they hide and what they reveal. He does not like the arrogant.
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I've already explained eclipses twice.
NO u didnt EXPLAINED anything lol.
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Peace jkhan.
Thanks for your consideration.
But I feel like a 21 year old, I act like a 6 year old and a 60 year old( depends on the time and company!) and I think like "I do not know anything unless I check it for myself" and that has nothing to do with age.As far as thinking goes, do not be easy on me. We must fight and work hard for true knowledge irrespective of age.
By the way have you come back in this thread on the verse"Yukawwiru Al Leyl Ala Al Nahar Wa Yukawwiru Al Nahar Ala Al Leyl?"?
What is you take on it?
GOD bless you.
Peace.I thought of age just to give more respect in usage of my wording coz its my natural instinct to respect regardless of belief the elders specially bit old fellows... Okay just forget it, since you don't mind... while I argue with young fellows my usage of wording is different...
The yukawiru matter I think I discussed well in my topic.. Width of heaven.......
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@flatearthers if u wana reply to that post just reply ECLIPSE part that what we need from you. after that u have two options either accept yoir defeat or shamelessly stay here like losers choice is yours.
Why it is tough for us... We never run away... We are brave community on this stationary earth.... Prove yourself with clear cut explanation that what is blocking in solar eclipse is moon rather than writing nonsense of fake bla bla..... Even suppose any of them fake accounts what they write is flat... So answer rather than just acting.... If your evidences are mighty prove in detail then we will show your flaws rotfl
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I'll say it for the third time since imrankhawaja is deaf and dumb.
Eclipses are caused by a dark object that's beyond our visible spectrum that cultures deified and refer to as Rahu which is why he's depicted as eating the sun.
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQEnRgKQRXs
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbvhFnGw-l0Further proof besides those videos is that the moon is never seen approaching or leaving the sun during an eclipse despite the fact that the moon can easily be seen during the daytime when its in any phase besides a new moon.
http//www.armaghplanet.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Moon-Daytime.jpg
There's also proof that it can't be caused by the moon based on the shadows.
So that's the truth but you can believe whatever you want.
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I'll say it for the third time since imrankhawaja is deaf and dumb.
Eclipses are caused by a dark object that's beyond our visible spectrum that cultures deified and refer to as Rahu which is why he's depicted as eating the sun.
you are DEAF DUMB and BLIND too.
whatever you are saying is incorrect u cant solve eclipse with magic.
say it three million times that will not change the fact.it shows your thinking is at insane level when u are saying GRASS is not green.
CLEARLY/absolutely/PURELY/certainly (blind). O0btw that RAHU why not visible on other parts of earth in case earth is flat?
where does this RAHU comes from where does it goes?
explain with flat earth diagram.all that time it appears ur explanation = MAGIC but sorry ur magic is not acceptable in society anymore.society can understand its moon not rahu.