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** Why in prophet Nuh's ship every two kinds

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    hawk99
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    Dear Brother Hawk...
    In my book you are a decently intelligent guy looking at what you perform in this forum...... but this looks sooooo funny.....
    the most funniest answer of this topic... someone else's rotfl sorry for the emoji...
    come up with something better...

    Yeah I know, the truth is what we comedians tell ) Could you tell us what animals
    where carried aboard the ark?

    peace

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      jkhan
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      we have civilisation more than 10000 years old in history.
      its pointed towards local flood instead of global.

      although noah history is PRE-history may b more than 10000 yrs
      our earliest ancestors dated back to 3 hundred thousand years roughly.

      intresting thing to note first life cell 4 billion years ago.( as per science)
      we are just sharing the planet not so long compare to the history of planet.

      some people also think seperation of planets is due to noah flood but it was in early stages of young planet earth.thats theory is weak.

      infact flood was more local than global according to traces we have in our earth.

      Peace brod
      Don't get carried away again with my answers.. I am only giving my understanding. ..so relax...
      Non of your claim has any Quranic proof... All assumptions... Main reason I opened this thread to get Quranic evidences to support the claim of local or worldwide... And further to denote the meaning and common sense ... If anyone accrue all Noah related verses and make a summary... Can he or she say that it is local, thats impossible...
      So pls research may be you can unearth lots of truth....
      I don't say you only says it is local. .almost all says in this forum who commented except few private messages... But Those claimed disn't give a support... But simply says what is in their mind... That's not the way you guys argue in this forum in other topics... So why simply say local... Why not drag the evidences... If no evidence then why claim?

      I do t say I am convinced as worldwide but local cannot be accepted.. Unless I see a reason to do so

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        jkhan
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        Yeah I know, the truth is what we comedians tell Could you tell us what animals
        where carried aboard the ark?

        peace

        Sorry brother if my answer made you inconvenient... I told what I felt...
        BTW... I don't know what are those animals... Is that so important according to the context of the argument... Do we have any verses to support it... Only sawjain of each
        God guide us...

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          hawk99
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          Sorry brother if my answer made you inconvenient... I told what I felt...

          No need to be sorry, I enjoy your feedback.

          BTW... I don't know what are those animals... Is that so important according to the context of the argument... Do we have any verses to support it... Only sawjain of each
          God guide us...

          Yes it is very important, there is a big difference between two of Noah's animals
          and two of every mammal on the planet, I hope pr you can see the difference.
          Understanding the difference will give you the proper context of the event!

          peace

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            Noon_waalqalami
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            Peace NW
            Honestly I have no clue why you presented these verses when I requested supporting verses for local flood...

            peace, why difficult to understand simple verse?
            who was he sent to and who is being punished?

            711 indeed we sent we of noah of to folk his that warns folk your from before that bringeth them punishment dire

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              jkhan
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              No need to be sorry, I enjoy your feedback.

              Yes it is very important, there is a big difference between two of Noah's animals
              and two of every mammal on the planet, I hope pr you can see the difference.
              Understanding the difference will give you the proper context of the event!

              peace

              Okay.. Thank you... handshake

              So for you to decide local what are those animals by name pls?

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                jkhan
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                peace, why difficult to understand simple verse?
                who was he sent to and who is being punished?

                711 indeed we sent we of noah of to folk his that warns folk your from before that bringeth them punishment dire

                You mean to say by presenting the above verse that the community of Noah local and there were other contemporary communities in the world .... Proof pls... God destroyed Noah's community... It's fine... Needless to say it's worldwide when there is only one community...
                If they were a local community, did God give any clue that community Judi welcomed them if they were believers... If they were believers and a community then NOAH doesn't need to bring cattle of two kind.. One kind enough.. That community is not far and they must be having cattle too..
                Or all the contemporary communities were believers and didn't deny their respective prophets so they are not destroyed.. Impossible... If any community before or during Noah's time were existing it would have been mentioned... Coz it is very clear the history of communities and nations... Noah is the utmost and after that many generations came and then community like ad, Thamud etc etc then Ibrahim... After Noah the possibilities multiple community is acceptable .. But not during or before... No proof..
                Quran doesn't support for local flood
                Let's seek guidance collectively

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                  Noon_waalqalami
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                  You mean to say by presenting the above verse that the community of Noah local and there were other contemporary communities in the world .... Proof pls...

                  how many communities?

                  638 and not of creature in the land and not flyer (birds, etc.) flyed with wings two its except umamun/communities (pl.) likeness you not neglect we of in the book of thing furthermore to lord theirs gathered being

                  1148 stated O noah descends in peace from us and blessings upon you and on umamin/communities (pl.) from whom with you wa-umamun/and communities (pl.) shall we give enjoyment them furthermore touched them from us punishment dire

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                    hawk99
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                    Okay.. Thank you... handshake

                    So for you to decide local what are those animals by name pls?

                    Good brother you answer a question with a question nope
                    Are you suggesting that Noah had two polar bears from the
                    north pole, two kangaroos from australia, two tigers from India,
                    amani rabbit and sika deer from Japan, the andean condor from
                    south America, the brown bear from north America. So according
                    to you someone went to all of these places, captured male and female
                    of each, brought them back from these distant places & loaded
                    them on the ark, while all other mammal drowned, returned the
                    kangaroos to Austalia, the polar bears to the north pole, the tigers
                    to India (oh boy), brother I am not happy to bring this to you, try
                    to think more critically on your own, do not accept without reflection,
                    don't be quick to pick a side. handshake The global flood is
                    biblical not Quranic.

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                      jkhan
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                      Good brother you answer a question with a question nope
                      Are you suggesting that Noah had two polar bears from the
                      north pole, two kangaroos from australia, two tigers from India,
                      amani rabbit and sika deer from Japan, the andean condor from
                      south America, the brown bear from north America. So according
                      to you someone went to all of these places, captured male and female
                      of each, brought them back from these distant places & loaded
                      them on the ark, while all other mammal drowned, returned the
                      kangaroos to Austalia, the polar bears to the north pole, the tigers
                      to India (oh boy), brother I am not happy to bring this to you, try
                      to think more critically on your own, do not accept without reflection,
                      don't be quick to pick a side. handshake The global flood is
                      biblical not Quranic.

                      Brother Hawk
                      Either you didn't read my threads or you don't have time... So you are claiming away from argument... I never said entire animals of the earth...

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                        hawk99
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                        Brother Hawk
                        Either you didn't read my threads or you don't have time... So you are claiming away from argument... I never said entire animals of the earth...

                        Sooooooo what happens in your opinion to all the mammals that
                        are not on the ark?

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                          jkhan
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                          how many communities?

                          638 and not of creature in the land and not flyer (birds, etc.) flyed with wings two its except umamun/communities (pl.) likeness you not neglect we of in the book of thing furthermore to lord theirs gathered being

                          Other than men and Jinn no other community is irrelevant to the incident... coz i claim Noah people were only one community and they were human.. and not animals...I am talking about human... we know animals also community but they are created for us, unless God won't let us eat them..

                          1148 stated O noah descends in peace from us and blessings upon you and on umamin/communities (pl.) from whom with you wa-umamun/and communities (pl.) shall we give enjoyment them furthermore touched them from us punishment dire

                          peace to all.....

                          Has any support from that to say that there were Umma-community/nation/group/followers before Noah.. at least something like below.. No?
                          1330
                          Thus have We sent you to a community before which communities have passed on so you might recite to them that which We revealed to you, while they disbelieve in the Most Merciful. Say, "He is my Lord; there is no deity except Him. Upon Him I rely, and to Him is my return."
                          The verse reads clearly
                          1148 Noah was told, "Get down from the Ark. Your Lord's peace and blessings are upon you and your followers. Your Lord will grant favors to other nations and then afflict them with a painful torment."
                          Ummamin here is the followers or groups of Noah who believed? Though they in one nation there would have been different type?Did God bring Many Nations with him in the ship who he doesn?t know even? NO? Nuh was sent to an area where many a people lived (seems like large group of people who practices idolworship) out of them many believed but majority doomed?.
                          In the same verse, ?Your Lord WILL GRANT favors ?. Means in the future (sanumattiuhum) God will not do a same type of destruction but God will favor them but painful torment will afflict them while having the favors?even on this world and hereafter..
                          1073 And they denied him, so We saved him and those with him in the ship and made them successors (khalifa), and We drowned those who denied Our signs. Then see how was the end of those who were warned.
                          As we all know this is the main reason God created Human and Jinn to place (Successors) Khalifa?Successors from the community of Noah.. No other community?

                          and upon them, and on the ships, you are borne.2322
                          And We sent Noah to his people; and he, said, 'O my people, serve God! You have no god other than He. Will you not be godfearing?"2323
                          The above verses shows we are people who are carried / borne coz of the ship which was saved?immediately after the ship, then Noah appears in the next verse is clear indication..
                          26119 So We saved him and those with him in the laden ship.
                          37140 heavily loaded or weighed down. (why Younus was thrown out.. isn?t it coz it was loaded heavily)
                          What is the meaning of Laden ship? Why it should be called ?mash?huun? (laden -heavily loaded or weighed down)
                          Look at the below undeniable glaring verse?
                          3641 And an Ayah (sign) for them is that We bore their offspring in the laden ship .
                          Who are these offspring who were carried in a laden ship? Are we not from those who were saved in the ship of Noah?.what else you want as proof? And what is your claim to prove it was local?....

                          3642 and We have created for them the like of it whereon they ride;

                          What the incident of Noah made for us, is that from Noah history created we were given the knowledge to build ships to travel through the surface of the water? all for our benefit?No ship almost things are impossible now..
                          All well planned by God?
                          God guide us..

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                            imrankhawaja
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                            @ jkhan

                            is it mention in quran it was not local flood but global?

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                              imrankhawaja
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                              Good brother you answer a question with a question nope
                              Are you suggesting that Noah had two polar bears from the
                              north pole, two kangaroos from australia, two tigers from India,
                              amani rabbit and sika deer from Japan, the andean condor from
                              south America, the brown bear from north America. So according
                              to you someone went to all of these places, captured male and female
                              of each, brought them back from these distant places & loaded
                              them on the ark, while all other mammal drowned, returned the
                              kangaroos to Austalia, the polar bears to the north pole, the tigers
                              to India (oh boy), brother I am not happy to bring this to you, try
                              to think more critically on your own, do not accept without reflection,
                              don't be quick to pick a side. handshake The global flood is
                              biblical not Quranic.

                              i wana add more

                              the pairs what he never carry in his ship get vanished from earth example

                              dinosaurs.

                              fire dragons of ?games of thrones? (brother hawk i m in love with that dragon queen do you lol)

                              snaky vampires (salma hayek) ?from dust till dawn? ( once i loved her too haha).

                              giants of easter island

                              bonnies from gulliver travels.

                              all creations were present before Global flood. noah left risky things in flat earth. !

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                                good_logic
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                                Peace All.

                                The legend of Noah is funny. Here is a preferable funny version( It is true honest!)

                                Building the Ark.

                                And the Lord spoke to Noah and said "In six months I'm going to make it rain until the whole earth is covered with water and all the evil people are destroyed. But I want to save a few good people, and two of every kind of living thing on the planet. I am ordering you to build Me an Ark."

                                And in a flash of lightning he delivered the specifications for an Ark. "OK," said Noah, trembling in fear and fumbling with the blueprints. "Six months, and it starts to rain," thundered the Lord. "You'd better have my Ark completed, or learn how to swim for a very long time." And six months passed. The skies began to cloud up and rain began to fall.

                                The Lord saw that Noah was sitting in his front yard, weeping. And there was no Ark. "Noah," shouted the Lord, "where is my Ark?" A lightning bolt crashed into the ground next to Noah.
                                "Lord, please forgive me!" begged Noah. "I did my best. But there were big problems. First I had to get a building permit for the Ark construction project, and your plans didn't meet code. So I had to hire an engineer to redraw the plans. Then I got into a big fight over whether or not the Ark needed a fire sprinkler system. My neighbors objected, claiming I was violating zoning by building the Ark in my front yard, so I had to get a variance from the city planning commission.

                                Then I had a big problem getting enough wood for the Ark because there was a ban on cutting trees to save the Spotted Owl. I had to convince U.S. Fish and Wildlife that I needed the wood to save the owls. But they wouldn't let me catch any owls. So no owls.
                                Then the carpenters formed a union and went out on strike. I had to negotiate a settlement with the National work Relations Board before anyone would pick up a saw or a hammer. Now we have 16 carpenters going on the boat, and still no owls.

                                Then I started gathering up animals, and got sued by an animal rights group. They objected to me taking only two of each kind. Just when I got the suit dismissed, EPA notified me that I couldn't complete the Ark without filing an environmental impact statement on your proposed flood. They didn't take kindly to the idea that they had no jurisdiction over the conduct of a Supreme Being.

                                Then the Army Corps of Engineers wanted a map of the Proposed new flood plain. I sent them a globe.
                                Right now I'm still trying to resolve a complaint from the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission over how many Croatians I'm supposed to hire, the IRS has seized all my assets claiming I'm trying to avoid paying taxes by leaving the country, and I just got a notice from the state about owing some kind of use tax. I really don't think I can finish your Ark for at least another five years," Noah wailed.

                                The sky began to clear. The sun began to shine. A rainbow arched across the sky. Noah looked up and smiled. "You mean you're not going to destroy the earth?" Noah asked, hopefully.
                                "No," said the Lord sadly, "Governments on earth are already doing it for me."

                                I mean it is true the story is funny!
                                GOD bless.
                                Peace.

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                                  good_logic
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                                  Brother jkhan.
                                  I hope you enjoy this summary of the bible(unfortunately only Noah s wife is mentioned in it) . Oh ,there are no animals in it.

                                  The Bible According to Kids

                                  The following statements about the Bible were written by children and have not been retouched or corrected (i.e., bad spelling has been left in.)

                                  In the first book of the Bible, Guinesses, God got tired of creating the world, so he took the Sabbath off.Adam and Eve were created from an apple tree.Noah's wife was called Joan of Ark because Noah built the ark, which the animals came to in pears.Lot's wife was a pillar of salt by day, but a ball of fire by night. The Jews were a proud people and throughout history they had trouble with unsympathetic Genitals.Samson was a strong man who let himself be led astray by a Jezebel like Delilah. Samson slew the Philistines with the axe of the Apostles. Moses led the Hebrews to the Red Sea, where they made unleavened bread, which is bread without any ingredients.

                                  The Egyptians were all drowned in the dessert. Afterwards, Moses went up to Mount Cyanide to find the ten commandments. The first commandment was when Eve told Adam to eat the apple. The seventh commandment is "Thou shalt not admit adultery".
                                  Moses died before he ever reached Canada. Then Joshua led the Hebrews in the battle of Geritol. The greatest miracle in the Bible is when Joshua told his son to stand still and he obeyed him.
                                  David was a Hebrew king skilled at playing the liar. He fought with the Finkelsteins, a race of people who lived in Biblical times.Solomon, one of David's sons, had 300 wives and 700 porcupines.

                                  When Mary heard that she was the mother of Jesus, she sang the Magna Carta. Then the three Wise Guys from the east arrived and found Jesus in the manager.
                                  Jesus was born because Mary had an Immaculate Contraption. St. John, the blacksmith, dumped water on his head. Jesus enunciated the Golden Rule, which says do one to others before they do one to you. He also explained that "Man does not live by sweat alone". It was a miricle when Jesus rose from the dead and managed to get the tombstone off the entrance.

                                  The people who followed Jesus were called the 12 decibles. The epistles were the wives of the apostles. One of the opossums was St. Matthew who was also a taximan. St. Paul cavorted to Christianity. He preached the holy acrimony, which is another name for marriage.A Christian should have only one spouse. This is called monotony.

                                  Sorry about the off topic brother. I just do two in one when I found this story as well.
                                  GOD bless you.
                                  Peace.

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                                    imrankhawaja
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                                    SEX of some species we have to check through microscope.

                                    i wonder how noah managed to check the ?sex?of more than one million species hmm

                                    or may b gabi bring a poweful microscope for NOAH here u go noah god send this microscope for you to check the sex of every species either its male or female. rotfl

                                    DRAWBACK what happened with unisex plants/animals ? yes

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                                      good_logic
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                                      Brother Imran.
                                      I was just about to go and do my prayer when your post arrived. ( No not the "follow closely one)
                                      I hope I can hold myself together, I am laughing laughing so much.

                                      GOD bless you.
                                      Peace.

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                                        imrankhawaja
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                                        Brother Imran.
                                        I was just about to go and do my prayer when your post arrived. ( No not the "follow closely one)
                                        I hope I can hold myself together, I am laughing laughing so much.

                                        GOD bless you.
                                        Peace.

                                        i have an idea GL u are following me and hawk closely in liking dragon queen. shez fire lmao rotfl

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                                          imrankhawaja
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                                          guys point to be noted

                                          why always things get twisted even in FUN.

                                          herez a myterious part started.

                                          900 -1000 years( solar/lunar/sumerian) whatever are more than enough to gather every species from all parts of world. hmm

                                          Author select two words for YEAR/s in 29 14 both words used for one equation things are bit tricky here. its like this

                                          answer = ( how many years and which one A or b in final step of equation) ?

                                          A is year named as Sanatin
                                          B is year named as Aman

                                          apart from noah is there is anybodys else ? AGE ? mention with NUMBERS ?

                                          author/s of bible also have somewhat similar age figure for NOAH hinting towards possible plagarism as per they calimed although like arabic we have to see the greek or hebrew version of bible for correct interpretation.

                                          its due to a reason only noah age is mentioned in Quran the style of quran is not like telling exact age and dates of events/things/persons in numbers.

                                          NOAH is exception which is worth pondering

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