Muhammad not mentioned in the Koran...

unknownuser

PEACE, APPLE PIE,

The first is that Islam actually thinks that their ?prophet? is mentioned as such in the Koran.

Again, what do you mean by this?

The second is the coining of a term that you demand be found in the Holy Bible?You can do better than this?

Yes, I demand to see the Greek or Latin verse, where the fundamental tenet of Christianity, that being, Jesus had/has... "dual nature" nature, or, in a word, theoanthropos. You see, it my understanding that, the bible mentions three natures, all of which, can be found in the Greek

theos...God Almighty.
pneumatikos...angels/Holy Ghost.
anthropos...fully human.

Now, can you produce the verse where I can find

theoanthropos...fully God and fully human.

If not, then you violate 1Thess. 521...prove all things...

If you can prove item #4, by way of your Greek scriptures , then you cannot prove the authenticity/legitimacy of your belief sytem. Without proof, all you have is conjecture...and that is the bottomline, Pie.

Just your saying...strawman, does not at all refute my position nor does it defend/establish/prove yours. Certainly, you can do better than you have. wink

Peace-

unknownuser

PEACE, SHUAIB,

salam PRIEST_BOKMEI,

It is amusing isn't it? You would think what's good for the goose is good for the gander... i.e., he wants a specific verse in the Quran that says the Muhammad is a prophet etc... yet in the same breath claims the Bible does not need to state the dual nature of Jesus.

But his responses should just show you that he's obviously not serious about discussing it. I'm sure he's having a dandy ol' time trying to get under our skins, his only true goal.

Of course you are correct, Shuaib. I don't think he was prepared for that question.

unknownuser

Greetings PRIEST_BOKMEI,

Thanks for your reply?

PEACE, APPLE PIE,
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The first is that Islam actually thinks that their ?prophet? is mentioned as such in the Koran.

Again, what do you mean by this?

Perhaps (as you are new to this thread) you need to read through the entirety of the thread in order to understand what I have been saying?

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The second is the coining of a term that you demand be found in the Holy Bible?You can do better than this?

Yes, I demand to see the Greek or Latin verse, where the fundamental tenet of Christianity, that being, Jesus had/has... "dual nature" nature, or, in a word, theoanthropos. You see, it my understanding that, the bible mentions three natures, all of which, can be found in the Greek

theos...God Almighty.
pneumatikos...angels/Holy Ghost.
anthropos...fully human.

Now, can you produce the verse where I can find

theoanthropos...fully God and fully human.

If not, then you violate 1Thess. 521...prove all things...

If you can prove item #4, by way of your Greek scriptures , then you cannot prove the authenticity/legitimacy of your belief sytem. Without proof, all you have is conjecture...and that is the bottomline, Pie.

Just your saying...strawman, does not at all refute my position nor does it defend/establish/prove yours. Certainly, you can do better than you have.

Islam 101?.right on cue.

You have just coined a new term by merging previous words?.and now you demand that this new term be found in the Holy Bible?

This is what I mean by your strawman argument.

This would be like me asking you to show me the word ?Trinity? in the Koran.

You obviously would have a position regarding it?.however, the word is NOT found in the Koran?.however, the concept is?just as it is in the Holy Bible?

Hence, you would have a completely formed opinion on the matter even though the word is not called-out in your book of faith.

Same goes for your clich?? and pathetic Muslim ?theoanthropos? argument?as the concept is there in both the Koran and the Holy Bible?but not the coined word?

You would do better coming up with some original and sensible ?arguments? of your own?

As far as Islam?s ?prophet? is concerned, we can all clearly see that he is never mentioned as such in their book of faith?..not piecemeal?..not even together?and certainly not juxtaposed?.and yet, Muslims take it for granted that they even had a so-called ?prophet? who received the Koran, in the first place.

Read your Koran?.it is clear that the authors copied/collected the previous Jewish and Christian scriptures?.who needs a ?prophet? to do this?..?

Thanks?

shuaib

salam guys,

i'm sure everyone is familiar with Ahmed Deedat's debates. He has done a lot of work compiling interesting facts about Christianity. He made the following statement/challenge

There is not a single unequivocal statement throughout the Bible, in all its 66 volumes of the Protestant versions, or in the 73 volumes of the Roman Catholic versions, where Jesus claims to be God or where he says "worship me". Nowhere does he say that he and God Almighty "are one" and "the same person."

http//jamaat.net/cis/ChristInIslam.html

unknownuser

Islam 101....right on cue.... wink

unknownuser

PEACE, APPLE PIE,

Islam 101?.right on cue. You have just coined a new term by merging previous words?.and now you demand that this new term be found in the Holy Bible? This is what I mean by your strawman argument. Same goes for your clich?? and pathetic Muslim ?theoanthropos? argument?as the concept is there in both the Koran and the Holy Bible?but not the coined word?

Sorry to see you so undone. There is nothing pathetic about my position at all. Your book, tells you, clearly, to...prove all things,, yes? Well, what could be more important to prove, than the very fundamental core tenet of your doctrine...the "dual nature" nature of Jesus! My, my, imagine that...can't prove the core tenet of your own belief system...now...that is...pathetic. lol

When you say something of God, well, then you must back it up with the what He revealed, relative, to what you are ascribing to Him/saying in His name, otherwise, you are guilty of the following ayat

378 Most surely there is a party among those who distort the Book with their tongue that you may consider it to be of the Book, and they say, It is from God, while it is not from God, and they tell a lie against God and they know it.

Listen, when you get your own stuff together , then, by all means, come back and straighten us out, however, until then, you should just sit back, calm down, and read the posts here and learn something about Deen, Truth, Reality.

Peace.

Andya_Primanda

This would be like me asking you to show me the word ?Trinity? in the Koran.

You obviously would have a position regarding it?.however, the word is NOT found in the Koran?.however, the concept is?just as it is in the Holy Bible?

Hence, you would have a completely formed opinion on the matter even though the word is not called-out in your book of faith.

Same goes for your clich?? and pathetic Muslim ?theoanthropos? argument?as the concept is there in both the Koran and the Holy Bible?but not the coined word?

Yes, the Qur'an contains the concept of trinity, which it clearly said as blasphemous. Your exegesis of surah 86 does not hold against these verses.

Verses regarding trinity

4171
Ya ahla alkitabi la taghloo fee deenikum wala taqooloo AAala Allahi illa alhaqqa innama almaseehu AAeesa ibnu maryama rasoolu Allahi wakalimatuhu alqaha ila maryama waroohun minhu faaminoo biAllahi warusulihi wala taqooloo thalathatun intahoo khayran lakum innama Allahu ilahun wahidun subhanahu an yakoona lahu waladun lahu ma fee alssamawati wama fee al-ardi wakafa biAllahi wakeelan

Literal
You The Book's people, do not exaggerate/exceed the limit in your religion, and do not say on (about) God except the truth , but the Messiah, Jesus, Mary's son (is) God's messenger and His word/expression He threw it away to Mary, and a Soul/Spirit (could be Gabriel) from Him; so believe with God, and His messengers, and do not say "Three." Stop (it is) best for you, but God (is) one God, His praise/glory that to be for him a child; for Him what (is) in the skies/space and what (is) in the earth/Planet Earth, enough/sufficient with God (as a) guardian/protector .

572
Laqad kafara allatheena qaloo inna Allaha huwa almaseehu ibnu maryama waqala almaseehu ya banee isra-eela oAAbudoo Allaha rabbee warabbakum innahu man yushrik biAllahi faqad harrama Allahu AAalayhi aljannata wama/wahu alnnaru wama lilththalimeena min ansarin

Literal
Those who said "That God, He is the Messiah Mary's son," had disbelieved, and the Messiah, said "You, Israel's sons and daughters, worship God, my Lord and your Lord, that he who shares/makes partners with God, so He had forbidden on him the Paradise, and his shelter/refuge (is) the fire , and (there are) no victoriors/saviors to the unjust/oppressors."

573
Laqad kafara allatheena qaloo inna Allaha thalithu thalathatin wama min ilahin illa ilahun wahidun wa-in lam yantahoo AAamma yaqooloona layamassanna allatheena kafaroo minhum AAathabun aleemun

Literal
Those who said "That God is a third of three." had disbelieved, and (there is) no God except from one God, and if they do not end/stop from what they say, a painful torture will touch (E) those who disbelieved from them.

Now I'm going back to the audience seat.

unknownuser

Greetings PRIEST_BOKMEI,

Thanks for your comments?

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Islam 101?.right on cue. You have just coined a new term by merging previous words?.and now you demand that this new term be found in the Holy Bible? This is what I mean by your strawman argument. Same goes for your clich?? and pathetic Muslim ?theoanthropos? argument?as the concept is there in both the Koran and the Holy Bible?but not the coined word?

Sorry to see you so undone. There is nothing pathetic about my position at all. Your book, tells you, clearly, to...prove all things,, yes? Well, what could be more important to prove, than the very fundamental core tenet of your doctrine...the "dual nature" nature of Jesus! My, my, imagine that...can't prove the core tenet of your own belief system...now...that is...pathetic.

The Holy Bible is tested all the time, and has passed the test for thousands of years.

The fact that Jesus is both God and man can be shown to be true in both Koranic and Biblical scriptures?

Perhaps you need to read the Arabic of your book of faith? wink

As far as Islam?s? ?prophet?, it is quite clear that you agree with my prior statements, as you have absolutely no rebuttal whatsoever?.thanks?

When you say something of God, well, then you must back it up with the what He revealed, relative, to what you are ascribing to Him/saying in His name, otherwise, you are guilty of the following ayat

378 Most surely there is a party among those who distort the Book with their tongue that you may consider it to be of the Book, and they say, It is from God, while it is not from God, and they tell a lie against God and they know it.

Wa-inna minhum lafareeqan yalwoona alsinatahum bialkitabi litahsaboohu mina alkitabi wama huwa mina alkitabi wayaqooloona huwa min AAindi Allahi wama huwa min AAindi Allahi wayaqooloona AAala Allahi alkathiba wahum yaAAlamoona

First of all, thanks for acknowledging that ?alkitabi? refers to the Holy Bible. The Holy Bible is mentioned hundreds of times through-out the pages of the Koran. This is because the authors of the Koran are constantly using Biblical material to construct their opus?.and they are constantly comparing their opus to its source material, the Holy Bible?

Secondly, thanks for proving to us that the written word of the Holy Bible is indeed intact?as you used the English words ?distort the Book with their tongue? which tells us that the written word is indeed true.

Listen, when you get your own stuff together , then, by all means, come back and straighten us out, however, until then, you should just sit back, calm down, and read the posts here and learn something about Deen, Truth, Reality.

How about you coming back when you can find the word ?Trinity? in your book of faith?

Thanks?

unknownuser

PEACE, APPLE PIE,

The fact that Jesus is both God and man can be shown to be true in both Koranic and Biblical scriptures?

Listen, if you say so, however,...prove all things... and produce from your book, the nature which defines a god/man nature. Your book, if I'm not mistaken, does name three natures, theos, pneumatikos and anthropos. Now, a godman nature, and I'm certain you will agree, is quite unique, thus, there must be a name for it, given, as you say, it is a scriptural truth/reality. So, with this in mind then, stop waxing tangential and produce what must be...theoanthropos, and I will concede the point to you. If you cannot find this term, then, you cannot prove any such as fully god and fully man proposition, hence, you are only following conjecture and conjecture is from man and not Almighty God. If you want us to take you seriously, then you must prove what you proffer, otherwise, you cannot be taken as a credible individual in comparative religious matters...prove all things...

Peace.

unknownuser

Greetings Andya Primanda,

Thanks for your reply?

Apple Pie wrote
This would be like me asking you to show me the word ?Trinity? in the Koran.

You obviously would have a position regarding it?.however, the word is NOT found in the Koran?.however, the concept is?just as it is in the Holy Bible?

Hence, you would have a completely formed opinion on the matter even though the word is not called-out in your book of faith.

Same goes for your clich?? and pathetic Muslim ?theoanthropos? argument?as the concept is there in both the Koran and the Holy Bible?but not the coined word?

Yes, the Qur'an contains the concept of trinity, which it clearly said as blasphemous.

Thanks for acknowledging that the Koran uses the Biblical concept of the Trinity.

Let?s review exactly how it utilizes it?

Verses regarding trinity

4171
Ya ahla alkitabi la taghloo fee deenikum wala taqooloo AAala Allahi illa alhaqqa innama almaseehu AAeesa ibnu maryama rasoolu Allahi wakalimatuhu alqaha ila maryama waroohun minhu faaminoo biAllahi warusulihi wala taqooloo thalathatun intahoo khayran lakum innama Allahu ilahun wahidun subhanahu an yakoona lahu waladun lahu ma fee alssamawati wama fee al-ardi wakafa biAllahi wakeelan

Literal
You The Book's people, do not exaggerate/exceed the limit in your religion, and do not say on (about) God except the truth , but the Messiah, Jesus, Mary's son (is) God's messenger and His word/expression He threw it away to Mary, and a Soul/Spirit (could be Gabriel) from Him; so believe with God, and His messengers, and do not say "Three." Stop (it is) best for you, but God (is) one God, His praise/glory that to be for him a child; for Him what (is) in the skies/space and what (is) in the earth/Planet Earth, enough/sufficient with God (as a) guardian/protector .

You The Book's people, do not exaggerate/exceed the limit in your religion, and do not say on (about) Allah except the truth, but the Messiah, Jesus, Mary's son (is) Allah's messenger and His word/expression He threw it away to Mary, and a Soul/Spirit from Him; so believe with Allah, and His messengers, AND DO NOT SAY "THREE." STOP (IT IS) BEST FOR YOU, but Allah (is) one Allah, His praise/glory that to be for him a child; for Him what (is) in the skies/space and what (is) in the earth/Planet Earth, enough/sufficient with Allah (as a) guardian/protector. (4171)

Ya ahla alkitabi la taghloo fee deenikum wala taqooloo AAala Allahi illa alhaqqa innama almaseehu AAeesa ibnu maryama rasoolu Allahi wakalimatuhu alqaha ila maryama waroohun minhu faaminoo biAllahi warusulihi wala taqooloo thalathatun intahoo khayran lakum innama Allahu ilahun wahidun subhanahu an yakoona lahu waladun lahu ma fee alssamawati wama fee al-ardi wakafa biAllahi wakeelan

Do not say THREE?stop?it is best for you?but Allah is one Allah.

This is simple parroting of Biblical scripture.

The Creator God of the Holy Bible is not THREE, but ONE.

572
Laqad kafara allatheena qaloo inna Allaha huwa almaseehu ibnu maryama waqala almaseehu ya banee isra-eela oAAbudoo Allaha rabbee warabbakum innahu man yushrik biAllahi faqad harrama Allahu AAalayhi aljannata wama/wahu alnnaru wama lilththalimeena min ansarin

Literal
Those who said "That God, He is the Messiah Mary's son," had disbelieved, and the Messiah, said "You, Israel's sons and daughters, worship God, my Lord and your Lord, that he who shares/makes partners with God, so He had forbidden on him the Paradise, and his shelter/refuge (is) the fire , and (there are) no victoriors/saviors to the unjust/oppressors."

573
Laqad kafara allatheena qaloo inna Allaha thalithu thalathatin wama min ilahin illa ilahun wahidun wa-in lam yantahoo AAamma yaqooloona layamassanna allatheena kafaroo minhum AAathabun aleemun

Literal
Those who said "That God is a third of three." had disbelieved, and (there is) no God except from one God, and if they do not end/stop from what they say, a painful torture will touch (E) those who disbelieved from them.

Now I'm going back to the audience seat.

Don?t forget to mention this ayah from the same sura?

And when Allah said "You Jesus Mary's son, did you say to the people 'Take me and my mother (as) two gods from other than Allah?' He (Jesus) said 'Your praise/glory, (it) is not to be for me that I say what is not for me with (a) right/truth, if I was (had) said it, so You had known it, You know what (is) in my self, and I do not know what (is) in Your self, that You, You (are) all knower (of) the unseens/hidden (unknown).'" (5116)

I think that you can see for yourself where the THREE gods concept comes from?

It is clear that the Koran sets-up the premise of THREE gods.

This is clear from 573, in which a THIRD of THREE is mentioned. Applying this Koranic understanding to 5116, we can see that the authors? of the Koran thought that Jesus, Mary, and Allah were the THREE gods.

Thus, you can see more clearly their notion of dividing these THREE in thirds?

Again? The Creator God of the Holy Bible is not THREE, but ONE.

Your exegesis of surah 86 does not hold against these verses.

I have demonstrated otherwise?

Thanks?

Someone

Peace upon you Apple Pie,

You don't have to thank me nor anyone else, all the thanks and sollicitations belong to the god the creator the merciful, it is to him that you owe everything.

He is the one that keeps you alive, allowing you time to better your self before it comes a day when you will regret all this time spent in limitless arguing, when nobody would be of any help for you.

One truth that is indisputable, is that everybody will die. So work for that day, nobody knows if it is far or is it for today, and make good use of the remaining time.

And do not look down on me, and come to me enclined to the peace.

--

unknownuser

Greetings Applepie,

I have a qustion I'd like to ask you Do I intimidate you that much that you avoid me and the thread I invited you to upon your own request??!!

No need. I'll ask again here in this thread.

Do they not consider The Quran? Had it been from any other than GOD, they would have found in it MUCH DISCREPENCY.

Discrepency...meaning any contradictions and/or errors. Not to mention obvious lies and untruths.

Any word of GOD (even an Inspired word of GOD) cannot and should not contain ANY errors OR contradictions!!

Can you point out any contradictions in The Quran? Please bring them forth. I am bringing forth some contradictions that are clearly in The Bible. Please try and refute these findings (for like the thousandth time now). Any references you see where there is the emoticon with sunglasses on, that's is the number eight. example....if you see something that says (John 1, you know that it is John, Chapter one, verse eight.

*Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel. GOD or Satan?

GOD did (2 samuel 241)
Satan did (I Chronicles 2 11) How on earth can The Word of GOD confuse Satan with the Author of The Word of GOD??!!

*GOD sent His prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?

Seven (2 Samuel 2413)
Three (I Chronicles 2112)

*When did David bring the ark of the convenant to Jerusalem?Before defeating the Philistines or After defeating them?

After (2 Samuel 5 and 6)
Before (I Chronicles 13 and 14)

*How may pairs of clean animals did GOD tell Noah to take into the Ark?

Two (Genesis 619, 20)
Seven (72). However, despite this clear instruction from GOD, only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis 78-9)

*Ezra 264 and Nehemiah 766 agree that the total number of the whole assembly was 42,360. Yet the numbers do not add up to anything close. The totals obtained from each book is as follows

29,818 (Ezra)
31,089 (Nehemiah)

*Did Joshua and the Israelites capture Jerusalem?

Yes (Joshua 1023, 40)
No (Joshua 1563) Hhhmmm....two contradictions in the same book. Very intriguing.

*Jesus decended from which son of David?

Solomon (Matthew 16)
Nathan (Luke 331)

*Was John the Baptist Elijah who was to come?

Yes (Matthew II 14, 1710-13)
No (John 119-21)

*How did Simon Peter find out that Jesus was the Christ?

By a revelation from Heaven (Matthew 1617)
His brother Andrew told him (John 141)

*Where did Jesus first meet Simon Peter and Andrew?

By the sea of Galilee (Matthew 418-22)
On the banks of river Jordan (John 142). AFTER THAT, Jesus decided to go to Galilee (John 143)

*Did Jesus allow his disciples to keep a staff on their journey?

Yes (Mark 6
No (Matthew 109, Luke 93)

Here's a really challenging one for you
*According to the Gospel of John, what did Jesus say about bearing his own witness?

"If I bear witness to myself, my testimony Is Not true." (John 531)
"Even if I do bear witness to myself, my testimony IS true." (John 814) I can't wait to see your response to this one as well as the next one.....

*Did Jesus bear his own cross?

Yes (John 1917)
No (Matthew 2731-32)

How about this one......
*Did Jesus say anything secretly?

No. "I have said nothing secretly." (John 1820)

Yes. "He did not speak to them without a parable, but privately to his own disciples he explained everything" (Mark 434). The disciples asked him "Why do you speak to them in parables?" He said, "To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given." (Matthew 13 10-11)

*Where was Jesus at the Sixth Hour on the Day of the crucifixion?

On the cross (Mark 1523)
In Pilate's Court (John 1914)

*How did Judas die?

After he threw the money into the temple he went away amd hanged himself (Matthew 275)

After he bought the field with the price of his evil deed he fell headlong and burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out (Acts 11

*Why is the Field called "Field of Blood"?

Because the priests bought it with the blood money (Matthew 27
Because of the bloody death of Judas therein (Acts 119)

*Is the law of Moses useful?

Yes. "All scripture is...profitable..." (2 Timothy 316)
No. "...A former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness..." (Hebrews 71

*Jesus saw a man sitat the tax collector's office and called him to be his disciple. What was his name?

Matthew (Matthew 99)
Levi (Mark 214; Luke 527)

*Did Jesus pray to the heavenly father to prevent the crucifixion?

Yes (Matthew 2639; Mark 1436; Luke 2242)
No (John 1227)

*Adam was told that if and when he eats the forbidden fruit he would die the same day (Genesis 217)

However, Adam ate the fruit and went on to live to a ripe old age of 930 years (Genesis 55)

*What was the purpose for which the women went to Jesus' tomb?

To anoint Jesus' body with spices (Mark 161; Luke 2355 to 241)
To see the tomb. Nothing about spices mentioned here (Matthew 281)
For no specified reason. In this gospel the wrapping with spices has been done before the Sabbath (John 201)

There are literally thousands of very obvious contradictions and errors in the Bible. This list is just a small smidgen of what I have uncovered. I can list almost a thousand more errors and contradictions. I ask if you can disprove these findings. I also ask if you can find any such contradictions and errors in The Quran as I have in the Bible.

I have another question that I'd like to ask you.
Please read the following passages from the Bible

*Does every man sin?

Yes. "There is no man who does not sin." (I Kings 846; see also 2 Chronicles 636; Proverbs 209; Ecclesiastes 720; and I John 18-10)

"If we say we have no sin we decieve ourselves, and the truth is not in us." (I John 1

No. True Christians cannot possibly sin, because they are the children of GOD. "Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is a child of God. (I John 51)

"No one born of God commits sin; for God's nature abides in him, and he cannot sin because he is born of God." (I John 39)

My next question is which one of these statements is the correct one?? They both cannot be correct....they are in 100% total contradiction of each other. So which one is true and which one is false?

Are you brave enough to even try and answer this post or are you aware that these blatant contradictions are simply irrefutable? twisted

Ciao.

unknownuser

Greetings Damon,

Let?s review your comment?.

I have a qustion I'd like to ask you Do I intimidate you that much that you avoid me and the thread I invited you to upon your own request??!!

Show us where we ever stated that we were going to entertain your worthless webpaste?.

We want to relish the jitter-bug dance that we have you doing?

Take care?

unknownuser

Show us where we ever stated that we were going to entertain your worthless webpaste.

Three things apple....

1). I gurantee you that it aint a webpaste....it's my own post. I don't pull the cowardly cut - and - paste stunts that your friend albion pulls. I do the one thing that neither one of you do....I read and study. Even if I do come across something on the web, I'll internalize it and present it to others in my own words. That is as long as I accept and agree with the info itself. And if I ever present anything almost word for word the way I have read it elsewhere, it's only because I feel satisfied that the presentation is sufficient to prove the point that I have accepted and agree with.

2). These are the satements that you've made directly to me alone over the course of this thread

Since this thread deals with Muhammad not being mentioned in the Koranperhaps you could be so gracious as to start a dedicated thread with your insecurities wink

AndIll be waiting for you to start that dedicated thread of insecurities of yours

Start a new thread with your webpasted insecurities... lol

A thread has been started addressing exactly these insecurities I have. But you're not brave enough to come and get some of it.

3). I already know that you will not join that thread and entertain me in a one on one Quran vs. Bible debate. It's clearly a losing battle for you. mrgreen

You already have your hands full as it is from being exposed by others here in this thread...particularly Priest Bokmei. I'll leave you be since it's obvious anyway that you cannot and will not rebuttal these facts from your book. That was made clear when you dodged me earlier in this thread after I first posted them. wink

I'll leave you be and accept your silence and refusal/inability to refute me as your way of waving the white flag.

We want to relish the jitter-bug dance that we have you doing

Are we talking about the same dance that Priest Bokmei and TheNabi have you doing now.....??

Andya_Primanda

The Creator God of the Holy Bible is not THREE, but ONE.
Again? The Creator God of the Holy Bible is not THREE, but ONE.
I have demonstrated otherwise?

Thanks?

And thanks. You have just denied the whole concept of trinity.

So if God is one, then Jesus is not God. Also the Holy Spirit is not God.

And if the Qur'an parrots Biblical material , then the Bible would also be teaching strict monotheism, not trinitarianism.

Back to the audience seat.

unknownuser

Greetings Damon,

Thanks for your reply?

Apple Pie wrote
Show us where we ever stated that we were going to entertain your worthless webpaste?.

Three things apple....

1). I gurantee you that it aint a webpaste....it's my own post. I don't pull the cowardly cut - and - paste stunts that your friend albion pulls. I do the one thing that neither one of you do....I read and study. Even if I do come across something on the web, I'll internalize it and present it to others in my own words. That is as long as I accept and agree with the info itself. And if I ever present anything almost word for word the way I have read it elsewhere, it's only because I feel satisfied that the presentation is sufficient to prove the point that I have accepted and agree with.

Your repeat posts contain the same polemics that are floating endlessly on the web?

2). These are the satements that you've made directly to me alone over the course of this thread
Quote
Since this thread deals with Muhammad not being mentioned in the Koran?perhaps you could be so gracious as to start a dedicated thread with your insecurities?

And?I?ll be waiting for you to start that dedicated thread of insecurities of yours?

Start a new thread with your webpasted insecurities...

A thread has been started addressing exactly these insecurities I have. But you're not brave enough to come and get some of it.

Again? please show us where we ever stated that we were going to entertain your worthless webpaste?.

3). I already know that you will not join that thread and entertain me in a one on one Quran vs. Bible debate. It's clearly a losing battle for you.

You already have your hands full as it is from being exposed by others here in this thread...particularly Priest Bokmei. I'll leave you be since it's obvious anyway that you cannot and will not rebuttal these facts from your book. That was made clear when you dodged me earlier in this thread after I first posted them.

I'll leave you be and accept your silence and refusal/inability to refute me as your way of waving the white flag.
Apple Pie wrote
We want to relish the jitter-bug dance that we have you doing?

Are we talking about the same dance that Priest Bokmei and TheNabi have you doing now.....??

If you post something that strikes our fancy, then you will be the first to know about it? wink

Now that you have vented?.

Run along?

unknownuser

Greetings Andya Primanda,

Thanks for coming out of your audience seating?

Apple Pie wrote
The Creator God of the Holy Bible is not THREE, but ONE.
Again? The Creator God of the Holy Bible is not THREE, but ONE.
I have demonstrated otherwise?

Thanks?

And thanks. You have just denied the whole concept of trinity.

So if God is one, then Jesus is not God. Also the Holy Spirit is not God.

Explain?

And if the Qur'an parrots Biblical material ,

Perhaps this is because I am the only one who bothers to study your book of faith in the classic Arabic in which it was penned?

Anyone who does so will immediately see the endless streams proclaimed by its authors that they simply copied, translated and referenced copious amounts of Biblical material into the formation of their opus?

then the Bible would also be teaching strict monotheism, not trinitarianism.

Back to the audience seat.

Ironically?.the authors of the Koran get the ONE God concept from the Holy Bible.

This is quite a new status for the god allah, as this fictitious entity has its roots in pagan Arab god worship?

The authors of the Koran have simply attempted to wrap the pagan Arab god allah with the Biblical deity ascribed unto Jesus, from centuries prior.

They even copied-over the Biblical concept of the ONE God as a triune entity?

Who would have guessed?.

Thanks?

shuaib

Proverbs 299
a wise man contendeth with a foolish man, whether he rage or laugh, no rest.

Quran
2111 And they say "None shall enter Paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian." Those are their (vain) desires. Say "Produce your proof if ye are truthful."

2135 They say "Become Jews or Christians if ye would be guided (To salvation)." Say thou "Nay! (I would rather) the Religion of Abraham the True, and he joined not gods with God."

514 From those, too, who call themselves Christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them so we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment. And soon will God show them what it is they have done.

930 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of God, and the Christians call Christ the son of God. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. God's curse be on them how they are deluded away from the Truth!

Tay

QXP
378 Among them are those who distort the Scripture with their tongues, that you may think that what they say is from the Scripture, when it is not from the Scripture. And they say, ?It is from Allah?, when it is not from Allah. They speak a lie concerning Allah, and they know it.

4171 O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion. Say nothing about God except the truth. The Messiah Jesus son of Mary was a Messenger of Allah, the fulfillment of His Word to Mary, created according to the Laws of Creation and given free will from the Divine Energy (like all human beings 1529, 327-9, 3872). Believe in Allah and His Messengers, and say not ?Three". Cease! It is for your own good. God is but One God. Far removed it is from His Supreme Majesty that He should have a son. Everything in the Highs and everything in the Lows belongs to Him. He is the Self-Sufficient Sustainer of the Universe (2255).

4172 Never was the Messiah too proud to serve Allah, nor the angels nearest to Him shy from obeying Him. Whoever shuns His service and is proud, He will assemble all unto Him.

515 O People of the Book! Now has come to you Our Messenger, to make clear to you much of what you have been concealing from yourselves and others. He ignores much of the irrelevant accounts and pardons much of your misdeeds. Now has come to you from Allah a Beacon of Light and a Clear Book.

516 Through this Book Allah guides to paths of Peace, those who seek His Approval. He brings them out of darkness into the Light of His Grace, and guides them to the Straight Path.

unknownuser

Greetings Tay,

Thanks for your reply?

QXP
378 Among them are those who distort the Scripture with their tongues, that you may think that what they say is from the Scripture, when it is not from the Scripture. And they say, ?It is from Allah?, when it is not from Allah. They speak a lie concerning Allah, and they know it.

Please inform us as to the definition of ?alkitaba? which is directly referenced an astounding 33x just in this one sura?

4171 O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion. Say nothing about God except the truth. The Messiah Jesus son of Mary was a Messenger of Allah, the fulfillment of His Word to Mary, created according to the Laws of Creation and given free will from the Divine Energy (like all human beings 1529, 327-9, 3872). Believe in Allah and His Messengers, and say not ?Three". Cease! It is for your own good. God is but One God. Far removed it is from His Supreme Majesty that He should have a son. Everything in the Highs and everything in the Lows belongs to Him. He is the Self-Sufficient Sustainer of the Universe (2255).

4172 Never was the Messiah too proud to serve Allah, nor the angels nearest to Him shy from obeying Him. Whoever shuns His service and is proud, He will assemble all unto Him.

I would like to see your exegesis on these ayahs..

In particular, please show why you rendered ?waladun? as you did?

515 O People of the Book! Now has come to you Our Messenger, to make clear to you much of what you have been concealing from yourselves and others. He ignores much of the irrelevant accounts and pardons much of your misdeeds. Now has come to you from Allah a Beacon of Light and a Clear Book.

516 Through this Book Allah guides to paths of Peace, those who seek His Approval. He brings them out of darkness into the Light of His Grace, and guides them to the Straight Path.

Please inform us who this ?messenger? is?.and why?

Thanks?