Salam,there is a physical salat

Al_Khidr

And one more thing, Al Khidr, if you are skeptical about my religious upbringing and especially being a candidate of 19ers for quite sometime, then consult Mrs. Basma or Arik Abdullah (if he remembers me) or Reza Pehalvi or Jamshid Firoushani or Mete Kural or even Edip Yuksel or Zulfiqar Alam (a Pakistani submitter), along with several others whose names I can't recall, some well known figures of United Submitters International, who might share some insights about me. I presented several khutbas, led salaat and contributed at conferences, not to mention reading, reciting and writing Arabic fluently.

Salaam Danish, the christian

You have mentioned believers and if your record is accurate, I know that they will have but only one thing to say about you and that is

HE IS A LOST KAFIR

Salaam

Al_Khidr

Salaam Danish

You really need to go back and view your initial post in response to me because what you have listed here is far removed, off topic from your intial post, your initial position, your initial claims and attacks on ALLAH. Danish, the christian kafir,you know what we all call this in DEBATE. You are not fooling no body but yourself and because you lack the evidence to back your rhetoric up in your previous post, thus you only respond with questions; you answer questions with questions. You started out at first rambling on and on with EMPTY STATEMENT & OPINIONS, without evidence inside Qur'aan (to back up your arguments) so now you have reverted from that to responding with questions and raising questions, how did this happen. You have lost grasp of this debate between you and I and drifted, just like how your drifted from the SIRAATAL MUSTAQIYM. Remember it was you who responded to myself with a post attacking the proper name of the Creator, with twisted lies and falsehood. It is obvious that you are ducking and dodging from producing evidence inside Al Qur'aan to back, not what I have said or claimed but what you have said or claimed. I have been coming with the scriptures of Allah back to back, refuting and proving my points and you come back around with this rhetoric asking questions and raising more questions, which is not related to your initial wicked post you left. You have lost all composure and it is very evident that intellectually you are no match. This is the only thing this christian kafir (Danish) can come with.

Salaam

Qur?aan 4137
Among His signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Do not fall prostrate before the sun, nor the moon, and fall prostrate before Allah, who created them, if you truly worship Him alone.

As Salaamu Alaykum Danish (the under cover christian)

You have made such claim

?I was born and raised as a Muslim almost all my past life?

and

?can read, recite and write Arabic fluently?

After all the rhetoric I have heard from you and Danish if this is true (which I?m skeptical of) but if it is true then it only augments my position of TRUTH and compounds the fact that you are indeed a kafir (disbelieve/one who conceals what he knows is truth). Two verses came to mind after reading your two claims up above

Qur?aan 2159
Those who conceal Our revelations and guidance, after We have made it clear for the people in the scripture-these are they who are cursed by Allah and are cursed by those who curse-

Qur?aan 2161-162
161. Those who disbelieve and die as disbelievers, have incurred the curse of Allah, and the Angelic Beings, and all the people.
162. Eternally they abide therein. The pain will not be lightened for them, and no respite shall be given to them.

And you have concluded in your response again by saying

?and you will never know who I am?

Yea, we know who you are kafir?

Danish (the christian) one thing we all know from this dialogue is that you have made attacks after attacks on Allah and issued out several claims in your position and have NOT produced any evidence in Al Qur?aan what-so-ever. Danish this is advice for you A clear thinking Muslim operates on mathematics and as such we are not moved by those who debate with only EMPTY STATEMENTS/OPINIONS, thus we are only moved by FACTS/MATHEMATICS/EVIDENCE, which was the weakness in your position and the foundation of your argument. A christian kafir such as yourself cannot defeat the TRUTH Of ALLAH, again take it or leave it alone.

All the above was not necessary and has nothing to do with the subject matter. A wasted and senseless effort that will further undermine and disqualify your "divine book".

Allah no where in the Holy Qur?aan instructs us Muslims to stone anything in Mecca. Sunni Muslims who have strayed from the straight path do that as a result of following hadiyth but Allah never instructs us to commit this form of idol worship of throwing stones at a pillar or statue and I CHALLENGE YOU Danish to produce a verse in the Qur?aan that says this

Yes, you are right that there are no verses on stone throwing contest which happens in the city of Mina, but always has and still is a part of complete pagan Haj dating back to the jahilia period which all Muslims perform. Since you are a follower of Rashad Khalifa and his comical code-19, check out these links
http//www.submission.org/hajj/hajj.html
http//www.submission.org/hajj/stoning-q.html

Below is the physical/verifiable evidence in the Qur?aan for the prescribed 5 Salaat, take it or leave it alone!

http//www.freewebs.com/tawhiyd/findsalaatinquraan.htm
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=6028.0

The salat procedure detailed in the first link is pretentious, insincere, incomplete and unintellectual; fine rhetorics. The second link speaks for itself.

remember you cannot fool a Muslim now these days and we are not impressed with empty statements with no scriptures or proof to back up what you say.

Another rhetoric statement. Now here's my challenge and we'll soon see how a Muslim can be easily fooled even today and forever

Where in the Quran can you find the names of those specified months in which your style of Haj is performed as per the Quranic verse 2197?
What is the step by step procedure of Hajj and Umrah as performed in its magnanimous pagan ways? Where in the Quran can you find the seven times circumambulating the Kaba in an anti-clockwise fashion, the black meteorite stone and the touching and kissing of it, the number of times one must run amock Safah and Marwah, the once a year homage to visit Allah at Kaba and many other drama that goes around there.
Where in the Quran can you find the exact day of Laylatul Qadar in which the Quran was revealed?
Where in the Quran can you find the number of days of fasting in Ramadan?
Where is the mentioning of an Islamic (hijri and/or misri) calender with their Arabic months and days and number of days in each month? This is very important to question 1 & 3, and other Islamic ceremonies that take place, such as Eid.

So, now then, bring your proofs from the Quran, the only Quran, nothing but the Quran, WITHOUT ANY EXCUSES, RHETORICS AND TWISTERS.

unknownuser

And one more thing, Al Khidr, if you are skeptical about my religious upbringing and especially being a candidate of 19ers for quite sometime, then consult Mrs. Basma or Arik Abdullah (if he remembers me) or Reza Pehalvi or Jamshid Firoushani or Mete Kural or even Edip Yuksel or Zulfiqar Alam (a Pakistani submitter), along with several others whose names I can't recall, some well known figures of United Submitters International, who might share some insights about me. I presented several khutbas, led salaat and contributed at conferences, not to mention reading, reciting and writing Arabic fluently.

Salaam Danish, the christian

You have mentioned believers and if your record is accurate, I know that they will have but only one thing to say about you and that is

HE IS A LOST KAFIR

In that case, not that it matters a penny's worth, I shall graciously accept that over a 19er JUNKY, anytime. ;D

unknownuser

Salaam Danish

You really need to go back and view your initial post in response to me because what you have listed here is far removed, off topic from your intial post, your initial position, your initial claims and attacks on ALLAH. Danish, the christian kafir,you know what we all call this in DEBATE. You are not fooling no body but yourself and because you lack the evidence to back your rhetoric up in your previous post, thus you only respond with questions; you answer questions with questions. You started out at first rambling on and on with EMPTY STATEMENT & OPINIONS, without evidence inside Qur'aan (to back up your arguments) so now you have reverted from that to responding with questions and raising questions, how did this happen. You have lost grasp of this debate between you and I and drifted, just like how your drifted from the SIRAATAL MUSTAQIYM. Remember it was you who responded to myself with a post attacking the proper name of the Creator, with twisted lies and falsehood. It is obvious that you are ducking and dodging from producing evidence inside Al Qur'aan to back, not what I have said or claimed but what you have said or claimed. I have been coming with the scriptures of Allah back to back, refuting and proving my points and you come back around with this rhetoric asking questions and raising more questions, which is not related to your initial wicked post you left. You have lost all composure and it is very evident that intellectually you are no match. This is the only thing this christian kafir (Danish) can come with.

All your bombastic howlings and bickerings have been crippled. When the challenge to produce verses from the Quran fired back, as per your own flaky admonitions, the 19er junky starts shivering and throwing up as seen above, displaying the greatness of the very last sentence in this post. The Siratul Mustaqeen of a 19er....The Number Game voodoo.

Allah no where in the Holy Qur?aan instructs us Muslims to stone anything in Mecca. Sunni Muslims who have strayed from the straight path do that as a result of following hadiyth but Allah never instructs us to commit this form of idol worship of throwing stones at a pillar or statue and I CHALLENGE YOU Danish to produce a verse in the Qur?aan that says this

Yes, you are right that there are no verses on stone throwing contest which happens in the city of Mina, but always has and still is a part of complete pagan Haj dating back to the jahilia period which all Muslims perform. Since you are a follower of Rashad Khalifa and his comical code-19, check out these links
http//www.submission.org/hajj/hajj.html
http//www.submission.org/hajj/stoning-q.html

Below is the physical/verifiable evidence in the Qur?aan for the prescribed 5 Salaat, take it or leave it alone!

http//www.freewebs.com/tawhiyd/findsalaatinquraan.htm
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=6028.0

The salat procedure detailed in the first link is pretentious, insincere, incomplete and unintellectual; fine rhetorics. The second link speaks for itself.

remember you cannot fool a Muslim now these days and we are not impressed with empty statements with no scriptures or proof to back up what you say.

Another rhetoric statement. Now here's my challenge and we'll soon see how a Muslim can be easily fooled even today and forever

Where in the Quran can you find the names of those specified months in which your style of Haj is performed as per the Quranic verse 2197?
What is the step by step procedure of Hajj and Umrah as performed in its magnanimous pagan ways? Where in the Quran can you find the seven times circumambulating the Kaba in an anti-clockwise fashion, the black meteorite stone and the touching and kissing of it, the number of times one must run amock Safah and Marwah, the once a year homage to visit Allah at Kaba and many other drama that goes around there.
Where in the Quran can you find the exact day of Laylatul Qadar in which the Quran was revealed?
Where in the Quran can you find the number of days of fasting in Ramadan?
Where is the mentioning of an Islamic (hijri and/or misri) calender with their Arabic months and days and number of days in each month? This is very important to question 1 & 3, and other Islamic ceremonies that take place, such as Eid.
You've yet to produce a coherent step by step procedure of ritual Salaat from within the Quran, instead of wishy-washy hip-hop cherry-picking style.

So, now then, bring your proofs from the Quran, the only Quran, nothing but the Quran, WITHOUT ANY EXCUSES, RHETORICS AND TWISTERS.

unknownuser

Peace be upon you,

Please start another thread for this debate, this is a thread for salaat.

savage_carrot

Please start another thread period. This thread is now locked and the useless comments posted recently deleted.