A topic for those who study Classical Arabic

Samia

Thanks sis for both replies. Why must walad have a definite article?

Since Arabic does not use the verb (to be0 in the present, the language makes use of the definite article to differentiate between the relation between to consecutive nouns

This is a boy
This boy

The boy is inteligent
The inteligent boy

sister of the (paternal) uncle
Uncle (paternal) of the sister

nadeem

Thanks sis, but how would you say "This is the boy"?

Samia

Thanks sis, but how would you say "This is the boy"?

By inserting a pronoun referring to the subject

nadeem

If there was a preposition like fee at the beginning, would it be al-waladu or al-waladi? Does the pronoun interfere?

Samia

If there was a preposition like fee at the beginning, would it be al-waladu or al-waladi? Does the pronoun interfere?

As " with this boy "?

Yes, the preposition works across the demonstartive pronoun ma3a haathal waladi. The pronoun does not shield the noun from the preposition.

nadeem

Shukran!

"Qad j?'a rusulun minkum da'awn? 'il? ll?hi"

The book says that this means "There came from among you apostles who summoned us to God."

But I don't understand why "da'awn?" stands for "summoned us". Doesn't "da'awn?" mean "we summoned"? Does it mean both?

Nadeem

Samia

Which verse is this?

nadeem

Verse? This sentence appears in my textbook. Would it be helpful if I wrote it with Arabic letters?

Samia

Yes please.

nadeem

Peace Samia, all,

The sentence "Wajada kullu Al-Fuqara'i" means "He found all of the poor men". However, could it not also mean "All of the poor men found"?

How do I tell which one?

Nadeem

Samia

Peace Samia, all,

The sentence "Wajada kullu Al-Fuqara'i" means "He found all of the poor men". However, could it not also mean "All of the poor men found"?

How do I tell which one?

Nadeem

Salaam Nadeem, all

The sentence you wrote means "all the poor men found...".
"He found all the poor men" will have " kulla..." and not "kullu"

And I would just say "the poor", not the "poor men", unless it is specifically men from the context -)

nadeem

As-Salaamu Alaykum (Alayki?) Ustadatee Samia!

As always, thanks for your guidance! Or, perhaps "Shukran li-hidayaki"?

Nadeem

nadeem

Peace,

Why is it "Tilka Aayaatu Allahi" and not "Ulaa'ika aayaatu Allahi"?

I thought that the plural Aayaat was a sound feminine plural of Aayat, not a broken plural.

Please explain peace

Nadeem

nadeem

Peace,

How come Zalika in 11114 is translated as "this" instead of "that" in so many translations?

Nadeem

Jack

Nice catch.

Because they want to twist the verse into talking about The Quran.

Same for 22.

nadeem

Peace Bro,

Seems to me that the non-muslim translator Arberry is the only one which translated it correctly.

Even "The Message" uses "this".

Hmmm....

Nadeem

nadeem

Peace,

Can someone with knowledge in arabic comment on this?

Nadeem

burhan

The is where literal translation approach fails.

Zalika is a very rich word. The Za, La and Ka are all ingredients. Simply put the Zalika implies distance and should never mean "this" which is used for the something near.

22 should be translated "Such is the book" which leaves the meaning somewhat open like in the arabic.

Such a translation would draw attention to the initials in 21 and we don't want that do we.

Lanes has a good section on this vol3 files 113/114.

nadeem

Thanks Burhan! I'll check out lanes... -)

nadeem

Peace Burhan,

Haven't checked lanes yet - You wouldn't have a direct link would you?

Just have a quick question Isn't Kazalika the term for "such"?

Nadeem