Skip to content
  • Categories
  • Recent
  • Users
Skins
  • Light
  • Brite
  • Cerulean
  • Cosmo
  • Flatly
  • Journal
  • Litera
  • Lumen
  • Lux
  • Materia
  • Minty
  • Morph
  • Pulse
  • Sandstone
  • Simplex
  • Sketchy
  • Spacelab
  • United
  • Yeti
  • Zephyr
  • Dark
  • Cyborg
  • Darkly
  • Quartz
  • Slate
  • Solar
  • Superhero
  • Vapor

  • Default (No Skin)
  • No Skin
Collapse
Free Minds Forum Icon
  1. Home
  2. General Issues / Questions
  3. General Issues / Questions
  4. A topic for those who study Classical Arabic

A topic for those who study Classical Arabic

Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved General Issues / Questions
104 Posts 14 Posters 3.7k Views
  • Oldest to Newest
  • Newest to Oldest
  • Most Votes
Reply
  • Reply as topic
Log in to reply
This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
  • S Offline
    S Offline
    Samia
    wrote on last edited by
    #21

    Thanks a million decepticus! You saved my wallet handshake

    1 Reply Last reply
    0
    • N Offline
      N Offline
      nadeem
      wrote on last edited by
      #22

      Peace,

      The following sentence is found in 6145. is in accusative.

      My question is what does the term describe? Is it the swine as a whole, or its flesh?

      My reasoning is that it is describing the meat, and not pig as a whole, since is the subject of the sentence.

      Nadeem

      1 Reply Last reply
      0
      • S Offline
        S Offline
        Samia
        wrote on last edited by
        #23

        Peace,

        The following sentence ??? ????? ???? ??? is found in 6145. ??? is in accusative.

        My question is what does the term ??? describe? Is it the swine as a whole, or its flesh?

        My reasoning is that it is describing the meat, and not pig as a whole, since ??? is the subject of the sentence.

        Nadeem

        Grammatically, it could be describing either word.

        1 Reply Last reply
        0
        • M Offline
          M Offline
          maxq
          wrote on last edited by
          #24

          That's cool! Do you know if the same functionality is in OpenOffice? I am not a java fan ... nope

          For now I use SC Unipad ... while the free version has time limitations per session, it can be used indefinitely and I confirmed from their account manager and got permission to use it indefinitely as such. The good thing is, I can use it for Arabic, Urdu as well as Sindhi yes

          No more excuses with Neooffice! I am using it with my ibBook for arabic wonderful!

          Mac OS X is natively arabic enabled (textedit is a good alternative but Neooffice is so powerful!) And forget about Office 2004

          You can download it here http//www.neooffice.org/neojava/en/

          To write arabic, just change the flag in the right corner to the green crescent, choose an arabic font (I like Baghdad and Decotype Naskh) , change the direction of the text and you can go on!

          1 Reply Last reply
          0
          • N Offline
            N Offline
            nadeem
            wrote on last edited by
            #25

            Peace Samia,

            Why is that?

            Nadeem

            1 Reply Last reply
            0
            • S Offline
              S Offline
              Samia
              wrote on last edited by
              #26

              Peace Samia,

              Why is that?

              Nadeem

              My reply is based on the sentence you presented if taken out of context. But if we consider the whole verse, and put the sentence in its context, the word "impure" describes all the prohibited food mentioned before it, including swinemeat, so it will be for meat, not swine, because swine-meat will be considered one word a kind of meat.

              1 Reply Last reply
              0
              • N Offline
                N Offline
                nadeem
                wrote on last edited by
                #27

                Peace Samia,

                Thanks -)

                If you could tell briefly about the grammar involved here, I'd be grateful.

                Nadeem

                1 Reply Last reply
                0
                • S Offline
                  S Offline
                  Samia
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #28

                  Peace Samia,

                  Thanks -)

                  If you could tell briefly about the grammar involved here, I'd be grateful.

                  Nadeem

                  1. Just the sentenc
                    The sentence is an equational one with a subject (which is the prefixed pronoun in ; and the predicate is ). rijs is masculine singular because the subject (the pronoun) is, too. The pronoun refers to a noun which should be also ms. We have two nouns which are both ms ,so rijs could refer to either.

                  2. Sentence in context "I do not find......anything forbidden to be eaten unless it is dead animal, blood or swine meat, as this is impure". Here, ( as this is)refers to anything forbidden. The "swine-meat" is a compound unit treated as one word since it is neither a subject in an equational sentence, nor is it followed by a direct adjective.

                  1 Reply Last reply
                  0
                  • N Offline
                    N Offline
                    nadeem
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #29

                    Thanks Samia,

                    As foretold; I'm quite grateful -)

                    And as expected, another riddle The particle 'Inna'. From what I see, everything following the particle Inna becomes accusative (what is the Arabic term btw?), except from those words who are second members of a construct; those who are directly preceded by a preposition, and those adjectives linked to non-accusative words.

                    True?

                    And, when exactly does one use this sentence-head particle?

                    From what I see, they are only employed in equational sentences. True?

                    Nadeem

                    1 Reply Last reply
                    0
                    • S Offline
                      S Offline
                      Samia
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #30

                      Salaam Nadeem

                      You're welcome!

                      Accusative manSuub

                      inna/anna are the same particle

                      It is inna when not preceded by ANY thing, even a letter, untranslatable. The only word that can precede it is the verb "qaala to say", and in this case it means "that" as in (he says that..).

                      It is alaways followed by a noun in the accusative, known as (its noun the noun of inna). And yes, usually starts an equational sentence, but not exclusively.

                      or anna (also known as sister of inna), same action, but is not used at the beginning of the sentence, and usually means "that" as in (I know that ...)

                      What do you mean by an adjective linked to non accusative words?

                      An adjective conforms with the noun it describes, so it does not have a rule of its own. The rule affects only the noun being described, and the adjective follows.
                      Sometimes the noun of inna in an equational sentence comes at the end of the sentence when it is indefinite and the predicate is a prepositional phrase

                      inna 3ala almaktabi kitaaban There's a book on the desk.

                      When a sentence starts with a pronoun, it is good style to suffix the pronoun to "inna" instead of leaving it free innahu mudarres he is a teacher (the suffixed pronoun is the "noun of inna&quot

                      1 Reply Last reply
                      0
                      • N Offline
                        N Offline
                        nadeem
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #31

                        Peace Samia,

                        Thanks for a great lesson bravo

                        What do you mean by an adjective linked to non accusative words?

                        I can't remember.... hmm
                        Memory isn't what it used be anymore...

                        Another one

                        According to the answer sheets is supposed to be in the genitive. I don't agree. What's the truth?

                        Just to check It does mean Where did you hear god's verses? - right?

                        Nadeem

                        1 Reply Last reply
                        0
                        • S Offline
                          S Offline
                          Samia
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #32

                          Salaam Nadeem

                          Another one

                          According to the answer sheets is supposed to be in the genitive. I don't agree. What's the truth?

                          Here is why

                          1. is a sound feminine plural. This plural does not take the accusative sign or nunnation. So, we do not say but for both the accusative and the genetive.

                          You do not revise your lessons >(

                          Just to check It does mean Where did you hear god's verses? - right?

                          Yes, that's correct bravo

                          1 Reply Last reply
                          0
                          • N Offline
                            N Offline
                            nadeem
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #33

                            I love you!!!! group

                            You do not revise your lessons

                            I do, I do, I do.. but not all of it, unfortunately....

                            Mental note Sound feminine plurals take genitive case ending both when in genitive and when in accusative.

                            Nadeem

                            1 Reply Last reply
                            0
                            • U Offline
                              U Offline
                              unknownuser
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #34

                              This is really a good start to learn Arabic. God bless.

                              Today while searching for Arabic lessons I found an amazing website run by a sister who is an etymologist. You may find it interesting http//arabicgems.wordpress.com

                              Peace all, Hamsa

                              1 Reply Last reply
                              0
                              • N Offline
                                N Offline
                                nadeem
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #35

                                Peace RasulHamsa,

                                Thanks so much for that link! It's really good!

                                I found a very useful book of grammar from that site
                                http//www.mtholyoke.edu/courses/mjiyad/Arabic%20Grammar%20Book.doc

                                Nadeem

                                1 Reply Last reply
                                0
                                • S Offline
                                  S Offline
                                  Samia
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #36

                                  I went through the book up to point 25. It is a good and concise one. Simple and to the point. But there are two points I would like to comment on (so far)

                                  15 Kuwait is not masculine, Yemen is .

                                  24 The Diptotes is not a category of proper names. Some proper names are diptotes. Proper names do not take the definite article anyway (unless it is already part of the name ), otherwise diptotes do take the definite article. When they do, (or when they are the second part of idafa construction) they take the genetive sign. Example I went to far away offices; I went to the far away offices.(plurals of the pattern mafaa3il are a category of diptotes).

                                  I will check it from time to time and post my comments, God help me, so that you can safely take what it gives.

                                  1 Reply Last reply
                                  0
                                  • N Offline
                                    N Offline
                                    nadeem
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #37

                                    You are a real giver, Samia! Thanks!

                                    I look forward to your comments...

                                    1 Reply Last reply
                                    0
                                    • K Offline
                                      K Offline
                                      Kashif
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #38

                                      Salam All,

                                      I will share my today arabic lecture with you guys, which hopfully answer some of Nadeem questions

                                      Any noun (&#1605 in arabic when used in a sentence is considered following

                                      Murfoo (&#1593 when a noun is subject
                                      Munsoob (&#1576 when a noun is used as an object without Harf-Jar
                                      Majroor (&#1585 when a noun is used after Harf-Jar or when it is Mudaf-alehi ( &#1616

                                      For complete explanation and examples please see my attachment.
                                      Now for answering following question"

                                      Peace everyone,

                                      My book says that the above means "For the believers of the earth". However, I don't see why this couldn't also mean "For the two believers of the earth".

                                      Can someone explain?

                                      I don't know if anyone answer it but here is my take

                                      is 1) because it followed by Harf-Jar (Lam/for)
                                      2) This is also

                                      Now

                                      Two Believers
                                      Believers

                                      So now when a plural noun is used as a Mudaff( ) then Noon at the end of the noun is dropped when joined with the word the earth (&#1590 in the above case

                                      here is the answer then

                                      For two believers of the earth
                                      For believers of the earth

                                      Note check out the Harka on the Noon carefully which will determine Two vs plural.

                                      1 Reply Last reply
                                      0
                                      • U Offline
                                        U Offline
                                        unknownuser
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #39

                                        Peace sis Samia,

                                        Would you please clarify the literal translation of the following
                                        41

                                        Created you from one self(Nafs) and created from it/him/her its/his/her spouse

                                        I have read all three translations and I think "Ha" refer to her or it but not him. Am I right?

                                        Thanks, Hamsa

                                        1 Reply Last reply
                                        0
                                        • S Offline
                                          S Offline
                                          Samia
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #40

                                          Salaam Hamsa

                                          Yes, you're right. It is "it", referring to soul/self/nafs. I would also say "pair" rather than "spouse".

                                          1 Reply Last reply
                                          0
                                          Reply
                                          • Reply as topic
                                          Log in to reply
                                          • Oldest to Newest
                                          • Newest to Oldest
                                          • Most Votes


                                          • Login

                                          • Don't have an account? Register

                                          • Login or register to search.
                                          • First post
                                            Last post
                                          0
                                          • Categories
                                          • Recent
                                          • Users