A Quran related question to Quranists
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A Quran related question
Who was the person to whome "the Holy Quran " was revealed ?
When was the Holy Quran revealed ?
1100 yr back
2400 yr back
31000 yr back
41400 yr back
Any input from "Great minds" will be appreciated
I hope you will not "run away " from this question as usual. -
They will probably say its not important.
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I don't know about the "Holy Quran", but I have a quran here, which is thus
A => To Muhammad
B => Earliest (as in verified physically, not based on hearsay and conjecture) = 650AD.
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I don't know about the "Holy Quran", but I have a quran here, which is thus
A => To Muhammad
B => Earliest (as in verified physically, not based on hearsay and conjecture) = 650AD.
Would you provide the evidence for both of your statements?
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Would you provide the evidence for both of your statements?
Thanks in advanceA
As for the Muhammad business. There are two places that you have to remember
Muhammadun rasoolullah= Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.
Wama muhammadun illa rasoolun qad khlat min qablihi arrusulu, afain mata aw qutila inqalbtum ala AAqabikum= And Muhammad is but a messenger, the messengers left before him. So, if he died or was killed, you turn away on the back of your feet.When you put those two together, then you will get that he was the only messenger of that time and that the people who were addressed knew who their messenger was.
More to follow.
B=> http//www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Text/Mss/
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Isn't Islamic Awareness a Sunni Muslim resource?
Still the earliest complete manuscript, or even the earliest fragments can only point to a general time era that the Holy Quran was revealed and compiled. You need to refer to the ahadeeth to get the juicy details, such as in what context the verses were revealed and in what order they were revealed.
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Isn't Islamic Awareness a Sunni Muslim resource?
Still the earliest complete manuscript, or even the earliest fragments can only point to a general time era that the Holy Quran was revealed and compiled. You need to refer to the ahadeeth to get the juicy details, such as in what context the verses were revealed and in what order they were revealed.
If it has verified physical evidence, it is perfectly valid, even if it's the antichrist's website. Reality does not lie.
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If it has verified physical evidence, it is perfectly valid, even if it's the antichrist's website. Reality does not lie.
Is the Sunni source a reliable one ??
What is the criteria of its reliability ? Is the Sunni source not a hearsay source??
If I rely only on Quran which is fully explained and clear ,cann't it tell me to whome and when it was revealed ? -
Is the Sunni source a reliable one ??
What is the criteria of its reliability ? Is the Sunni source not a hearsay source??
If I rely only on Quran which is fully explained and clear ,cann't it tell me to whome and when it was revealed ?It's a source, not a "Sunni source". The people there refer to themselves as muslims, indirectly, please do not label them.
Criteria of its reliability? Are you joking? They presented physical, tanglible evidence, and dated accordingly.
If I rely only on Quran which is fully explained and clear ,cann't it tell me to whome and when it was revealed ?
Yes, and I wish to know how Muhammad cooked pizza, I wish God would bring a Quran other than this one )
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Still the earliest complete manuscript, or even the earliest fragments can only point to a general time era that the Holy Quran was revealed and compiled. You need to refer to the ahadeeth to get the juicy details, such as in what context the verses were revealed and in what order they were revealed.
And why does this mean we must follow ahadith as divine guidance/law, brother?
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It's a source, not a "Sunni source". The people there refer to themselves as muslims, indirectly, please do not label them.
Criteria of its reliability? Are you joking? They presented physical, tanglible evidence, and dated accordingly.
Yes, and I wish to know how Muhammad cooked pizza, I wish God would bring a Quran other than this one
So we what I deduce from your posts (Please do tell me if I am wrong),that Quran can tell us nothing about itself that
1To whome it was revealed
2When it was revealed
3In Which area it was revealed (Arabic is poken in many areas ,so it was not specific in Mecca or Madina)To get the answer to these question we have to rely on "extra-quranic " sources.
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So we what I deduce from your posts (Please do tell me if I am wrong),that Quran can tell us nothing about itself that
1To whome it was revealed
2When it was revealed
3In Which area it was revealed (Arabic is poken in many areas ,so it was not specific in Mecca or Madina)To get the answer to these question we have to rely on "extra-quranic " sources.
Is my perception correct or not ??Sure if you want to know that information. Why does that mean we must follow ahadith as RELIGIOUS GUIDANCE/LAW?
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So we what I deduce from your posts (Please do tell me if I am wrong),that Quran can tell us nothing about itself that
1To whome it was revealed
2When it was revealed
3In Which area it was revealed (Arabic is poken in many areas ,so it was not specific in Mecca or Madina)To get the answer to these question we have to rely on "extra-quranic " sources.
Is my perception correct or not ??It tells us the details relevant to our own guidance. Because, this is the purpose of Quran, to guide humanity to the straight path, not to open a doorway for the idolisation of prophets and messengers.
The quran states to whom it was revealed, simple as that. Please explain the relevance of the next two questions. As for the location, it states it was revealed in Arabic, meaning it can be pinned within the general region of Arabia in 500-600AD.
And yes, to find out details that are completely irrelevant to our guidance, we have to rely on extra-quranic sources.
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Sure if you want to know that information. Why does that mean we must follow ahadith as RELIGIOUS GUIDANCE/LAW?
Please do not distract the thread and be precise to answer. I will be grateful.
So you accept that Quran does not tell at all
1To whome it was revealed
2When it was revealed
3In which area of the middle East it was revealed.
Is this perception about Quran correct ? -
Please do not distract the thread and be precise to answer. I will be grateful.
So you accept that Quran does not tell at all
1To whome it was revealed
2When it was revealed
3In which area of the middle East it was revealed.
Is this perception about Quran correct ?No, the quran does not tell 2 and 3 because in from the quran's view, we do not need that information for guidance.
Now that I have answered, don't dodge. Tell me why this means we must follow ahadith as religious guidance/law and not just take it for what it is (or less than that) a history book
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Please do not distract the thread and be precise to answer. I will be grateful.
So you accept that Quran does not tell at all
1To whome it was revealed
2When it was revealed
3In which area of the middle East it was revealed.
Is this perception about Quran correct ?Peace
In order for a discussion to work it has to be two ways. With regards to this, I would ask, what are the point of your questions? Of course at some point, you will come to a level that the Quran does not answer. However, I would argue
1 Multiple references to the messenger.
2. There are references to events in history going on at the time of the Quran's revelation that are mentioned in the Quran (eg the 'you will soon defeat the Romans' verses)
3. The Quran describes Muhammad as living in an area commutable by day to the town destroyed by God when the people did not heed Lut's message.So I would disagree with you on all three points, but do not forget what I mentioned in my first paragraph.
Roshan
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No, the quran does not tell 2 and 3 because in from the quran's view, we do not need that information for guidance.
Now that I have answered, don't dodge. Tell me why this means we must follow ahadith as religious guidance/law and not just take it for what it is (or less than that) a history book
You accepted question number 2,3 but what about Question No 1
We are not discussing other source of religious guidance for the time being.It is too premature.Sorry to say.
Muslims believe in Muhammad PBUH as the last prophet.If Quran does not support this view that Holy Quran was revealed to Muhammad PBUH ,then any Non - muslim may ask me the Person to whome this was revealed .
Please now tell me who was the person to whome this Quran was revealed ???
Or accept that Quran is not capable to reply to these simple primliminary questions even.