Starjade Sura 4:82 challenges the whole of Islam.
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I am invoking this Islamic law to open up serious religious discussions and Revelations with Muslims.Al-Quraishi you said; If you are invoking Islamic law, then if someone proves you wrong does that mean you will abide by it's judgements?
Starjade says; To err is human. We can all make mistakes. However, If someone proves that the errors I have listed are not errors that exist in the Koran then of course I shall accept it. That law governs that conversation by agreement from both sides. What is true is true and what is false is false. A female Muslim called Hafsa managed to dispute two of the hundreds of errors that exist in the Koran and I saw that was so and I withdrew them. Should you visit the End of Times web site you can find those conversations in the why Islam bites the Dust thread. You can then see that will be so for yourself.
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The facts are that if just one error exists in the Koran then that is proof that the Koran does not come from God.Al-Quraishi you said; Well according to what you've just said, the facts don't state that.
Starjade says; point is taken. I oft forget the original challenge from the followers of islam when they goaded me was to find just one error in the Koran. However, after reading the Sura 482 of the Koran it states much discrepancy. So then, I went with that and showed much discrepancy in the Koran. Do you dispute that discrepancies are errors. I have shown hundreds of error found in the Koran and the beliefs of Muhammad and islam as a whole. I also named 11 Chapters of the Koran that glorify jesus as being the Prophet that jesus has proclaimed himself to being as also being many errors in the Koran. Too many for Muslims to account for. Especially considering the silly claims of Muhammad and Muhammads personal belief in Jesus.
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Sura 482 of the Koran says; do they not consider the Koran with care for if it had come from any other than Allah then surely they would have found much discrepancy therein.Al-Quraishi you said; Please take the time to read what you're posting in order that you may stop contradicting yourself, the verse says that if it isn't from God then surely they would find much discrepancy therein, you will need to elaborate on your claim of
Starjade says; I got your point the first time and also pointed that out to the Muslims who goaded me to challenge islam. I then staggered them with errors found in the Koran and they who challenged me shirked the Sura 482 challenge. Over 1000 Muslims found they could not defend the Koran or the claims of Muhammad and Islam bit the Dust. The word Allah means Supreme God and though Muslims give worship to Hubal alilah that is simply the moon god of the Arabs. It is not the Supreme God. The supreme God is the Living God of Moses and of Starjade. That is by the way the Living White Sphere that lives beyond the Veil of the Abyss in deep space.
So upon that understanding I am not trying to prove that the Koran came from the pagan moon god Hubal alilah as that would be just too silly, but what I am proving is that the Koran does not come from the living God of Abraham and of Moses and of the much loved Deuteronomy Prophet Starjade. Do you understand what I have said. ?
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The facts are that if just one error exists in the Koran then that is proof that the Koran does not come from God.Al-Quraishi you said; Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I disagree with you, you just need to backup your claims, that's all.
Starjade says; even though I shall and have staggered you Muslims with many errors that exist in the Koran it is still a fact that if one error exists in the Koran that is not true then that is still proof that the Koran does not come from the Living God. The Living God does not make mistakes. Do not forget also that the silly claim of Muhammad is that the words of the Koran came from the (cough) Angel Gabriel. Do you admit that this Angel Gabriel has made some mistake?
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Of course it is known by history and many religious scholars that the god that Muhammad gave his worship to was in fact Hubal al'ilah, a pagan moon god worshipped throughout the middle east and Hubal alilah goes by many names one of them being that of Sin. The origin of to worship in Sin.Al-Quraishi you said; Please back this up with facts.
Starjade says; I already have on Conspiracy Central. And I was being brief as it is a lot of data. Do not forget this Sura 482 challenge here is an invitation to all Muslims to to go to that open Sura 482 challenge discussion. The Muslims there are shirkers and powerless against me. I have that effect on people.
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The Archeology of The Middle East
Archaeologists have uncovered temples to the Moon-god throughout the Middle East. From the mountains of Turkey to the banks of the Nile, the most wide-spread religion of the ancient world was the worship of the Moon-god. In the first literate civilization, the Sumerians have left us thousands of clay tablets in which they described their religious beliefs. As demonstrated by Sjoberg and Hall, the ancient Sumerians worshipped a Moon-god who was called many different names. The most popular names were Nanna, Suen and Asimbabbar. His symbol was the crescent moon. Given the amount of artifacts concerning the worship of this Moon-god, it is clear that this was the dominant religion in Sumeria. The cult of the Moon-god was the most popular religion throughout ancient Mesopotamia. The Assyrians, Babylonians, and the Akkadians took the word Suen and transformed it into the word Sin as their favorite name for the Moon-god. As Prof. Potts pointed out, "Sin is a name essentially Sumerian in origin which had been borrowed by the Semites."
In ancient Syria and Canna, the Moon-god Sin was usually represented by the moon in its crescent phase. At times the full moon was placed inside the crescent moon to emphasize all the phases of the moon. The sun-goddess was the wife of Sin and the stars were their daughters. For example, Istar was a daughter of Sin. Sacrifices to the Moon-god are described in the Pas Shamra texts. In the Ugaritic texts, the Moon-god was sometimes called Kusuh. In Persia, as well as in Egypt, the Moon-god is depicted on wall murals and on the heads of statues. He was the Judge of men and gods. The Old Testament constantly rebuked the worship of the Moon-god (see Deut. 419;173; II Kngs. 213,5; 235; Jer. 82; 1913; Zeph. 15, etc.)
When Israel fell into idolatry, it was usually the cult of the Moon-god. As a matter of fact, everywhere in the ancient world, the symbol of the crescent moon can be found on seal impressions, steles, pottery, amulets, clay tablets, cylinders, weights, earrings, necklaces, wall murals, etc. In Tell-el-Obeid, a copper calf was found with a crescent moon on its forehead. An idol with the body of a bull and the head of man has a crescent moon inlaid on its forehead with shells. In Ur, the Stela of Ur-Nammu has the crescent symbol placed at the top of the register of gods because the Moon-god was the head of the gods. Even bread was baked in the form of a crescent as an act of devotion to the Moon-god. The Ur of the Chaldees was so devoted to the Moon-god that it was sometimes called Nannar in tablets from that time period.
A temple of the Moon-god has been excavated in Ur by Sir Leonard Woolley. He dug up many examples of moon worship in Ur and these are displayed in the British Museum to this day. Harran was likewise noted for its devotion to the Moon-god. In the 1950's a major temple to the Moon-god was excavated at Hazer in Palestine. Two idols of the moon god were found. Each was a stature of a man sitting upon a throne with a crescent moon carved on his chest . The accompanying inscriptions make it clear that these were idols of the Moon-god. Several smaller statues were also found which were identified by their inscriptions as the "daughters" of the Moon-god. What about Arabia? As pointed out by Prof. Coon, "Muslims are notoriously loath to preserve traditions of earlier paganism and like to garble what pre-Islamic history they permit to survive in anachronistic terms."
During the nineteenth century, Amaud, Halevy and Glaser went to Southern Arabia and dug up thousands of Sabean, Minaean, and Qatabanian inscriptions which were subsequently translated. In the 1940's, the archeologists G. Caton Thompson and Carleton S. Coon made some amazing discoveries in Arabia. During the 1950's, Wendell Phillips, W.F. Albright, Richard Bower and others excavated sites at Qataban, Timna, and Marib (the ancient capital of Sheba). Thousands of inscriptions from walls and rocks in Northern Arabia have also been collected. Reliefs and votive bowls used in worship of the "daughters of Allah" have also been discovered. The three daughters, al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat are sometimes depicted together with Allah the Moon-god represented by a crescent moon above them. The archeological evidence demonstrates that the dominant religion of Arabia was the cult of the Moon-god.
In Old Testament times, Nabonidus (555-539 BC), the last king of Babylon, built Tayma, Arabia as a center of Moon-god worship. Segall stated, "South Arabia's stellar religion has always been dominated by the Moon-god in various variations." Many scholars have also noticed that the Moon-god's name "Sin" is a part of such Arabic words as "Sinai," the "wilderness of Sin," etc. When the popularity of the Moon-god waned elsewhere, the Arabs remained true to their conviction that the Moon-god was the greatest of all gods. While they worshipped 360 gods at the Kabah in Mecca, the Moon-god was the chief deity. Mecca was in fact built as a shrine for the Moon-god.
This is what made it the most sacred site of Arabian paganism. In 1944, G. Caton Thompson revealed in her book, The Tombs and Moon Temple of Hureidha, that she had uncovered a temple of the Moon-god in southern Arabia. The symbols of the crescent moon and no less than twenty-one inscriptions with the name Sin were found in this temple. An idol which may be the Moon-god himself was also discovered. This was later confirmed by other well-known archeologists.The evidence reveals that the temple of the Moon-god was active even in the Christian era. Evidence gathered from both North and South Arabia demonstrate that Moon-god worship was clearly active even in Muhammad's day and was still the dominant cult. According to numerous inscriptions, while the name of the Moon-god was Sin, his title was al-ilah, i.e. "the deity," meaning that he was the chief or high god among the gods. As Coon pointed out, "The god Il or Ilah was originally a phase of the Moon God." The Moon-god was called al-ilah, i.e. the god, which was shortened to Allah in pre-Islamic times. The pagan Arabs even used Allah in the names they gave to their children. For example, both Muhammad's father and uncle had Allah as part of their names.
The fact that they were given such names by their pagan parents proves that Allah was the title for the Moon-god even in Muhammad's day. Prof. Coon goes on to say, "Similarly, under Mohammed's tutelage, the relatively anonymous Ilah, became Al-Ilah, The God, or Allah, the Supreme Being."
This fact answers the questions, "Why is Allah never defined in the Qur'an? Why did Muhammad assume that the pagan Arabs already knew who Allah was?" Muhammad was raised in the religion of the Moon-god Allah. But he went one step further than his fellow pagan Arabs. While they believed that Allah, i.e. the Moon-god, was the greatest of all gods and the supreme deity in a pantheon of deities, Muhammad decided that Allah was not only the greatest god but the only god.
In effect he said, "Look, you already believe that the Moon-god Allah is the greatest of all gods. All I want you to do is to accept that the idea that he is the only god. I am not taking away the Allah you already worship. I am only taking away his wife and his daughters and all the other gods." This is seen from the fact that the first point of the Muslim creed is not, "Allah is great" but "Allah is the greatest," i.e., he is the greatest among the gods. Why would Muhammad say that Allah is the "greatest" except in a polytheistic context? The Arabic word is used to contrast the greater from the lesser. That this is true is seen from the fact that the pagan Arabs never accused Muhammad of preaching a different Allah than the one they already worshipped. This "Allah" was the Moon-god according to the archeological evidence. Muhammad thus attempted to have it both ways. To the pagans, he said that he still believed in the Moon-god Allah. To the Jews and the Christians, he said that Allah was their God too. But both the Jews and the Christians knew better and that is why they rejected his god Allah as a false god.
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Al-Kindi, one of the early Christian apologists against Islam, pointed out that Islam and its god Allah did not come from the Bible but from the paganism of the Sabeans. They did not worship the God of the Bible but the Moon-god and his daughters al-Uzza, al-Lat and Manat. Dr. Newman concludes his study of the early Christian-Muslim debates by stating, "Islam proved itself to be...a separate and antagonistic religion which had sprung up from idolatry." Islamic scholar Caesar Farah concluded "There is no reason, therefore, to accept the idea that Allah passed to the Muslims from the Christians and Jews."
The Arabs worshipped the Moon-god as a supreme deity. But this was not biblical monotheism. While the Moon-god was greater than all other gods and goddesses, this was still a polytheistic pantheon of deities. Now that we have the actual idols of the Moon-god, it is no longer possible to avoid the fact that Allah was a pagan god in pre-Islamic times. Is it any wonder then that the symbol of Islam is the crescent moon? That a crescent moon sits on top of their mosques and minarets? That a crescent moon is found on the flags of Islamic nations? That the Muslims fast during the month which begins and ends with the appearance of the crescent moon in the sky?
The symbol of the worship of the moon god in Arabian culture and elsewhere throughout the Middle East was the crescent moon.
Archaeologists have dug up numerous statues and hieroglyphic inscriptions in which a crescent moon was seated on top of the head of the deity to symbolize the worship of the moon god. In the same fashion as the sun is pictured above the Egyptian deity.
While the moon was generally worshiped as a female deity in the Ancient Near East, the Arabs viewed it as a male deity.
The Quraysh tribe into which Muhammad was born was particularly devoted to Allah, the moon god, and especially to Allah's three daughters who were viewed as intercessors between the people and Allah.
The worship of the three goddesses, Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat, played a significant role in the worship at the Kabah in Mecca. The first two daughters of Allah had names which were feminine forms of Allah.
The literal Arabic name of Muhammad's father was Abd-Allah. His uncle's name was Obied-Allah. These names reveal the personal devotion that Muhammad's pagan family had to the worship of Allah, the moon god.
An Allah idol was set up at the Kabba along with all the other idols. The pagans prayed toward Mecca and the Kabba because that is where their gods were stationed.It only made sense to them to face in the direction of their god and then pray. Since the idol of their moon god, Allah, was at Mecca, they prayed toward Mecca.
The worship of the moon god extended far beyond the Allah-worship in Arabia. The entire fertile crescent was involved in the worship of the moon.
This, in part, explains the early success of Islam among Arab groups that traditionally had worshiped the moon god.
The use of the crescent moon as the symbol for Islam which is placed on the flags of Islamic nations and on the top of mosques and minarets is a throwback to the days when Allah was worshiped as the moon god in Mecca.
Starjade concludes. There is staggering amounts of data on the pagan moon god and many Islamic scholars I spoke with knew all about it. Usually I find the ordinary man in the street does not realize who he is really giving worship too. But hey if they are religious then it was not hard to find that out. You Muslims are going to have to stop worshipping the moon for that is a detestable thing in the eyes of the Living God. -
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However, the reference in the Sura 482 of the Koran when it mentions Allah was obviously meant to mean the living God of Abraham and of Moses. The reason why that must be so is because the name Allah means the Supreme God and it is well known that there is only one true Living God and that is the Living God of Abraham and of Moses.The pretence of Islam in todays world is that Muslims are now giving worship to that living God of Moses. When in fact they hide the truth and give their worship to Hubal alilah the false pagan moon god. Worshipping in Sin.
Al-Quraishi you said; These two paragraphs contradict your previous claim.
Starjade says; Life is a contradiction. You do not explain your view at length leaving things open to speculation. The difficulty arises in the problem of my speaking with people who worship the Moon but think God is called Allah and that is how they call God. However, when I speak of the Living God I am speaking of the Living God of Abraham and of Moses. I am not speaking of the moon. So I try and point out that distinction for the understanding of those I am speaking to. The Muslims God Allah is the pagan moon god Hubal alilah which they call now call Allah but then they go about claiming that this Allah is the Living God of Abraham and of Moses when it is not. The claim is that the Koran comes from the Living God of Abraham and of Moses hence Muhammads claims that he is that prophet that god promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews. And so then by that claim the claim that Allah is the God of Abraham and of Moses has been instigated. So I am showing by the Sura 482 of the Koran that the Koran does not come from the Living God of Abraham.
There is only one true Living God and Muhammad is claiming the Koran came from that Living God. I can prove to the otherwise and easily I add.
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In reply to the Muslim who challenged me with the Sura 482. I wrote out 21 errors that exist in the Koran that to this day stand undisputed. A link to those 21 errors in the Koran is linked below.Al-Quraishi you said; Well Starjade, quite conveniently (or unconveniently depending on how you look at it) your second link does not work
Starjade says; they work on my computer. However, ole moderator carrot head moved this thread here away from the sight of the multitudes and that may have affected the links on transference. But still I say they work on my computer for I checked them. I like to display the links I give as it saves my writing it all out over and over again. I assure you I am not a deceptive person and if I give a link it links to other written words. You will also find many more links on Conspiracy Central and on many other web sites around the world.
http//www.geocities.com/end_of_times/surahfoureighthytwo.html
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http//www.geocities.com/end_of_times/surahfoureighthytwo.htmlAl-Quraishi you said; Oh but wait, it does! You seemed to have put a rather bizarre space between ht and ml! I wonder why that is? How bizarre!
Starjade says; I copy cut and paste conversations into word to reply to and this just came up. It must be a computer glitch for I copy cut and paste the links from the address bar. All lnks I tried when I posted them they did work. No matter at least you got through.
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When those Muslims goaded me to challenge Islam with my Revelations, I accepted that challenge however, I challenged the whole of Islam and not just a few and the Islamic law I have invoked states you will have to reject the Koran and the claims of Muhammad. If you do not then what kind of Muslim does that make you.? I say it would make you a Kuffar shirking idolizer of a false prophet who was presumptuous to think he could speak in Gods name. That then makes you all guilty of blasphemy and that something detestable in the eyes of the Living God.Al-Quraishi you said; Starjade may I humbly offer some advice? Instead of insulting people, why don't you please elaborate, what is the true religion and who are it's true followers?
You're throwing some BIG accusations around Starjade. Some BIG accusations.
Starjade doth say; Oh come now you know as well as I do that Muslims and others will want to respond when I make such accusations against them and with such arrogance. It makes their teeth gnash and draws them into conversations that many consider to be taboo.
If Muslims ignore the Islamic law I have invoked and by their own request. As I see one Muslim answers for the other as a collective then they are ignoring their own Islamic laws. The conclusion of that agreed upon law means Muslims will have to reject the Koran and the silly claims of Muhammad. This is done because the Koran they follow states if errors are found in the Koran then that is the proof that the Koran does not come from God. I can show lists of errors found in the Koran so that is already a known foregone conclusion. So then Muslims cannot think it is alright to suddenly ignore the Koran when it stands against them and their beliefs and the claims of Muhammad. What Kind of Muslim is that.
Well from experience I can say they are Kuffar (those who hide the truth) and they are shirkers. And I expect every Muslim on this Planet to agree with me on that matter. I have met many shirkers of this challenge. As I have said I can back up what I say and Muslims do not like that revelation and its reality. But it was agreed to accept what is proven to be true and to reject what is found to not be true. They cannot back out of the Sura 482 challenge as a matter of convenience when they realise they lost the argument.
My personal annoyance is that these Revelations save them from themselves and the unwitting acts of blasphemy they had been led into since they were children. One would think they would be glad that it was revealed they unwittingly worship the moon and follow a false prophet and false religious doctrine of which of course is the Koran.
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Be very wary now for many religious scholars have come before you trying to dispute the Revelations I have given and the many errors that exist in the Koran and the word of Muhammad in a futile attempt to defend Islam. Every one of them has bitten the Dust. I am not a Novice and I suggest you go tell your imams and Islamic scholars what I have said here and dare them to come online to face me.Al-Quraishi you said; As I said, I shall be wary, but please, where are the records and proof of these so many religious scholars who have been proven wrong by you? Please provide us with links to your arguments for the sake of your own reputation.
Starjade says; that is a good thing for you to be wary. Do not take me for a fool for I am very serious about all of my religious conversations and all the things that I say. Many have come before you and so very many underestimated me and my Revelations to their cost. I am being right nice to forewarn you so you will be careful. It is unlikely that you will not say something that some other has already said before you. So to me such conversations are like d?j? vu whiles to you it is enquiry and Revelation.
I have been on the Internet since 1996 and so they exist on many forums around the world some now have closed and some kept on records. I display some on the End of Times web site in my conversations with Muslims. My most favourite Islamic scholar called himself Mahi and he had a staggering knowledge of many religions. Alas we lost contact. You know stuff happens. The rest of those conversations are on disc as I save data if the conversations are worthy. So I do keep records. However, let us get on with the conversations of the Sura 482 challenge instead of misdirections away from the topic of these discussions. Already you can see that I know a thing or two.
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Be aware that when I speak of the Living God. I am speaking of the Living White Sphere that lives beyond the Veil of the Abyss in deep space, and there is only one living God.Al-Quraishi you said; Ok, we'll converse this whole Qur'an discrepancy thing, then after that I am very interested to hear more about the Living White Sphere that lives beyond the Veil of the Abyss in deep space and all your other beliefs.
Starjade says; I am not somebody who has beliefs. I have a knowledge of the Living God that is done by direct operation from my own death way back in 1980. I have a personal knowledge of the Living God. So I know the Living God exists and so then it is a knowledge and not a belief.
The Sura 482 challenge is already 20 pages long and still rising on the Conspiracy forum. I would have thought your moderators would have preferred such conversations that devastate Islam be better displayed elsewhere. But well you know how word gets about. People do talk. It is already 2,467 views long. Still Muslims have not dared approach those errors sensibly. Especially the 11 chapters of the Koran that glorify jesus as being that prophet that Jesus has proclaimed himself as being. Even though the writers of the Koran did not know then just who it is that jesus has proclaimed himself to being and being rather religiously ignorant as to why those silly Roman Christians called Jesus the king of the Jews. All Muslims shirk those 11 Chapters of errors found in the Koran. That is of course much more discrepancy than any of you Muslims would like. Too bad I then posted so many more.
You sound like a scholar with reasonable religious knowledge. Your input would be valued. But take some good advice from the genuine Deuteronomy Prophet. Do bring along as many Islamic scholars as you can because truly you will need them and I ask that you go and tell your imam what has been said here. I have challenged the whole of islam and I want your religious leaders to be fully aware that they and the whole of Islam bit the Dust. -
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are you afraid of Starjade's Sura 482 Challenge.Al-Quraishi you said; I personally am not afraid, to me this is not a ego contest, I will welcome any enlightnement I can gain from conversing, debating and rationalising with others on this forum. Unfortunately from the way you're posting it looks like this is one big ego contest.
Starjade says; It is not an ego challenge and trust me I have no ego. It just sounds as if I have. Remind yourself that I am the challenger and I was goaded by Muslims to challenge the whole of Islam. Over 1000 Muslims promised they would defend the Koran from my Revelations. But in those very days of my speaking as the time it took to post my challenge acceptance and reply, those 1000 Muslims bit the Dust and found they could not defend the Koran as they claimed. Then they shirked the challenge and they shirked by deception and that made my anger blaze. But as they shirk the challenge of the sura 482 then the challenge does not go away because as I said to them I would challenge the whole of Islam and not just those few. But Muslims are rather reluctant to face me because my revelations are devastating and my religious knowledge grows. But if I make their teeth gnash. Well you would be astounded at the conversations that then spring forth out of mouths that embraced silence as if it was a virtue.
Al-Quraishi you said; So no Starjade - I am not afraid.
Starjader doth say; Good then I shall look forwards to your points of view and you can find a staggering lists of errors in the Sura 482 challenge on the religion and occult forum at Conspiracy Central that you can find answers to. I have tried explaining to the Muslims there that not all Muslims hide in that Islamic sound of silence. Many enjoy a good hard core religious debate. It seems the Muslims there just do not enjoy religious discussion as much as I do. But then I had won the debate and the challenge right from the very beginnings. It is simply the Christians and Muslims who are the ones stuck between that rock and the Starjade place.
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I advise that you go seek the advice off an Islamic scholar or your Imam before you dare to take me on.Al-Quraishi you said; Unfortunately I do not have access to an Islamic scholar or my Imam in time for me to 'dare to take you on' you're confusing me now as the original invitation was to converse, so I take it this is an ego contest?
Starjade says; No I have no sense of self no matter how it appears. I have no ego. I am in a way the walking dead after resurrecting my own dead body way back in 1980. I am without doubt the Deuteronomy Prophet. So that makes me the most important religious person to ever walk this earth. But I do not see myself as anything holy. I walk in shadows unseen. I save lives without them even knowing my name for an ego is not my intent.
It is just that I know your imams memories the Koran and that makes them Islamic scholars above most others. And when they bite the Dust that is a huge cloud over islam and its moon worshipping followers. In my debates with Christians two over twenty years Christian ordained ministers bit the Dust unable to defend Jesus and Christianity and the New Testament and they are the experts in their field of religious knowledge. It gains me power over Christians and when Imams are seen by their congregations to not be able to defend the Koran or the claims of Muhammad. Well that is a powerful statement being made by someone who is established by Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 onwards law to be a genuine Prophet with a provable connection to the Living God.
When the ordinary Muslim in the street cannot defend islam from my Revelations that can be passed by insignificantly to others mattering only to them. But when an Islamic Imam or Islamic leader bites the Dust. Well I am sure you realise what a statement that makes to the religious congregations that walk the face of this earth.
Its no matter anyways Imams are just as powerless against me as all other Muslims including yourself are. As I am the challenger I just like to stress that point. Plus in reality it is better that I have conversations with them over these issue. There are accounts to be given. -
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However, do warn them that I am religiously superior to all of them combined and I will certainly eat them, the Koran, and the silly claims of Muhammad for breakfast.Al-Quraishi you said; Ok - will do. I'm going to read your working links with interest, in the meantime, could you please respond to my post.
Starjade says; Well thank you then Al-Quraishi and panic notteth I always respond to posts when I am able. Please have patience as sometimes my Time does get taxed as things distract me.
Also sometimes moderators dont like what I say however and could barr my posts or ban me. But if you save a link to the End of Times web site then you can email me if things go silent. I can always give you a link to another forum where we can chat about things.
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Bahman you say; Peace DDS You may understand meaning of Islam and Muslims. You falsely consider Mohammedans (shia and Sunnis)
Starjade says; To me a Muslim is a Muslim is a Muslim. Shia and Sunny may well be Muslims but they have different worded Korans dont they. Dont you think it is shameful that they are blowing each other up in mosques. What does that say about islam? Seems they are all in serious need of religious guidance.
Bahman you say; Correct your article using Islam ( submission to God Alone 319) then I would consider to listen to your 500 claims using cyber id as prophet Peace.
Starjade says; Muslims do not submit to the Living God of Abraham and of Moses if they did then they would listen to my Revelations and learn from that experience. I am the actual Deuteronomy Chapter 18 verses 15/18 Prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews. This can be established by the law of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 onwards. It is not open to debate because Deuteronomy law does that Judging not you. I have already contacted the Jews way back in 1995 with Revelations of an ever nearing apocalypse with a view to that exodus of all descendants of Abraham plus some Alien residents. I walk the walk as well as talk the talk. Unlike you I give my life body and Soul to the Living God.
If you are a Muslim then you are bound by the Islamic law I have invoked in the beginnings. You also are bound by the Sura 482 challenge of the Koran and have no choice as a Muslim but to debate these many errors that exist in the Koran which proves that the Koran does not come from God which blows out all of the claims of Muhammad who is clearly presumptuous to think he could speak in Gods name.
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Arnold you said; I do find much discrepancy. I think it says the earth is flat, the sky is a physical covering or canopy, the sun orbits the earth and meteors are thrown at things or fired at things. To me, a 21st century person, this is much discrepancy, just like it says one will find. Muhammad just didn't realize it back then. After all, how could he? Who would have ever guessed the true nature of meteorites as dust and debris? I wouldn't have. It's totally counter to what the naked eye tells us. Who would have guessed that the flames supposedly shooting across the sky were not a sign of the protection of the lowest heaven, as the Quran clearly says, but rather are actually a sign of the protection of the earth? But that's what it is. And yet the Quran got this backwards as most people's intuition and naked eye would as well. Allah had a 7th century understanding of the cosmos. Clearly.
Starjade says; well hello there Arnold. I can see you also have been doing some studying.
Throwing Stars at the Devils?
And We have (from of old), adorned the lowest heaven with lamps,
and we have made such (Lamps as) missiles to drive away Satans, ...
-- Sura 675We have indeed decked the lower heaven with beauty (in) the stars,
(for beauty) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious Satans.
(So) they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted Assembly but be cast away from every side.
-- Sura 376-8Meteors, and even stars are said to be missiles fired at eavesdropping Satans and jinn who seek to listen to the reading of the Qur'an in heaven, and then pass on what they hear to men in suras 376-10; 5533-35; 675; & 726-9.
How are we to understand these suras? Can we believe indeed that Allah throws meteors, which are made up of carbon dioxide or iron-nickel, at non- material devils who steal a hearing at the heavenly council? And how do we explain the fact that many of earths meteors come in showers which consequently travel in parallel paths. Are we to thus understand that these parallel paths imply that the devils are all lined up in rows at the same moment?
Muhammad also believed the Sun sets in a pool of muddy water. In sura 1886 it states, "Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water Near it he found a people We said O Dhu al Qarnayn! Either punish them,or treat them with kindness." It is well known that only the superstitious in the age of Muhammad believed that the sun would set in a muddy spring.
My most favourite error is The Phenomena of Thunder and Lightning
It is common knowledge, as scientists teach, that thunder is a sound caused by the impact between electrical charges found in the clouds. Yet Muhammad, , has a different opinion in this matter. He claims that the thunder and the lightning are two of Gods angelsexactly like Gabriel!
In the Quran there is a chapter under the title of "Thunder" in which it is recorded that the thunder praises God. We might think that it does not mean that literally because thunder is not a living beingalthough, spiritually speaking, all of nature glorifies God. The expounders of the Quran and its chief scholars, however, insist that Muhammad said that the thunder is an angel exactly like the angel Gabriel. In his commentary (p. 329), the Baydawi comments on verse 13 of chapter of the Thunder,
"Ibn Abbas asked the apostle of God about the thunder. He told him, It is an angel who is in charge of the cloud, who (carries) with him swindles of fire by which he drives the clouds."
In the commentary of the Jalalan (p. 206), we read about this verse
"The thunder is an angel in charge of the clouds to drive them."
Not only ibn Abbas asked Muhammad about the essence of the thunder, but the Jews did too. In the book, "al-Itqan" by Suyuti (part 4, p. 230), we read the following dialogue"On the authority of Ibn Abbas, he said the Jews came to the prophet (peace be upon him) and said, Tell us about the thunder. What is it? He told them
It is one of Gods angels in charge of the clouds. He carries in his hand a swindle of fire by which he pricks the clouds to drive them to where God has ordered them. They said to him, What is this sound that we hear? He said (It is) his voice (The angels voice)."
The same incidentthe question of the Jews and Muhammads answer are mentioned by most scholars. Refer, for instance, to al-Sahih al-Musnad Min Asbab Nuzul al-Ayat (stories related to the verses of Quran, p. 11) and al-Kash-shaf by the Imam al-Kamakhshari (part 2, pp. 518, 519). He reiterates the same story and the same words of Muhammad. Thus, the incident is in vogue among all Muslim scholars, and the story and the dialogue between Muhammad and the Jews is well-known.
Baydawi, Jalalan, Zamakhshari, Suyuti, and ibn Abbas have said. We do not know (among the ancient scholars) any who are more famous than these.
Concerning lighting, Muhammad affirms that it is an angel like the thunder and like Gabriel and Michael. On page 230 of the above references, Suyuti alludes to it. Also on page 68 of part 4 of the "Itqan", the Suyuti records for us the names of the angels, which are "Gabriel, Michael, Harut, Marut, the Thunder and the Lightning (He said) that the lightning has four faces."
The Suyuti listed all these under the sub-title, "The names of Gods Angels". He also indicated that Muhammad said that the lightning is the tail end of an angel whose name is Rafael (refer to part 4, p. 230 of the Itqan).
Starjade says; I have even met a Muslim who believed that Muhammds claim was true. I have his statement on record someplace.
Already much discrepancy is found to exist in the Koran and the word of Muhammad. One wonders just what those so called religious scholars had been thinking to display words that show Muhammad ro be a fool. Of course we have come a long way since then and can realize his errors but in his follow Islam or die days nobody dared question the matter. Bit like the emperors clothes thing.
Now how can any Muslim hope to explain these things away. Do they teach these things in Islamic schools? Isnt it time the Islamic world moved forwards and stopped misleading its congregations.
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Navid you say; I have yet to see any INTERNAL contradictions with the quran. The quran contradicting the bible does not mean the quran is contradictory. Sorry
Starjade says; The Bible is a word I hate to use as it contains two books the Old Testament which is Jewish and the New testament which is Roman Christian. It is not one book nor one religion. All Bible with a new testament added on are all published and printed by Christians. The New testament is not valid.
Internal Contradictions Which Point to Errors
I2i Mary & Imran
One of the best known errors is that concerning the confusion between Mary, recorded in the Qur'an as the sister of Aaron and the daughter of Imran (Biblical Amran) as well as the mother of Jesus (by implication in suras 1928; 6612; 2025-30), though the two, Mary and Miriam, lived 1,570 years apart.I2ii Haman
Another well known passage is that of Haman. In the Qur'an Haman is referred to as a servant of Pharaoh, who built a high tower to ascend up to the God of Moses (sura 2838; 2938; 4025,3. But the Babel tower occurs 750 years earlier (Genesis 11), and the name Haman is correctly found in the story of Esther in Babylon, 1,100 years after Pharaoh. Yusuf Ali believes that the reference here is simply that of another Haman, yet Haman is not an Egyptian name, but uniquely Babylonian.As Long as errors exist in the Koran the Koran admits that it does not come from God. This admission is found in Sura 482. I have staggering lists of errors displayed and waiting for Muslims to try and give accounts for. Many tried and failed.
Muslims should then worry more at the claims of Muhammad who claims he got those words from the Christians Angel Gabriel. You know the Angel Gabriel said to have appeared to Zacharias in the Temple even though there were no witnesses there to see that event?
This is the same Angel Gabriel who appeared so Luke claims to give authenticity to the birth of Jesus. Who in later life claimed that he was that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews which is why Christians called Jesus the King of the Jews to this very day.
Ooops. Just wait a minute. As all you Muslims know Muhammad has proclaimed that he alone is that long awaited prophet that God promised Moses he would raised up in the midst of the Jews. Muslims argue this from thy brethren thingy to this very day.
And Muhammad believed in Jesus and believed that jesus was the prophet that jesus has proclaimed himself as being. Rather odd then for Muhammad to then say this Angel Gabriel appeared on a Mountain to tell him that he was that long awaited prophet.
11 Chapters of the Koran glorify jesus as being the prophet that jesus has proclaimed himself as being. But Christians always yackle on about Jesus being the son of God. So Muhammad never realize that Jesus claimed that he was that long awaited prophet. And Jesus is claimed to have been authenticated by the (cough) Angel Gabriel who had never existed in Time before the mention of this Angel Gabriel by this character luke. Weirdy one that isnt it. Now perhaps you all start to graps why I name 11 Chapters of the Koran glorifying Jesus as being errors in the Koran especially considering the claims of Muhammad. Oooops once again Muhammad has slipped up. That will teach him to have Christian wives and relatives to feed his head with nonsense.
And he carried it on by claiming the words of the Koran came from this Angel Gabriel But history shows then that the claim is that this Angel Gabriel is seen to be promoting both jesus and Muhammad as being genuine and that one long awaited prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews. Hahaha scuse me whiles I wipe the nose goo off my computer screen for this makes me laugh so much my nose goo is splattering out.
But the wise one must realize that the Living God only promised to raise up only one Prophet not two. Either Jesus or Muhammad or both just have to be lying. It is a matter of common sense. And do not forget Muhammad actually believed the Christian tales of Jesus which is why 11 Chapters of the Koran glorify jesus as being the Prophet that Jesus has claimed himself as being. Now that is then most odd considering what prophet it is that Muhammad claims himself to being.Certainly this Angel Gabriel is seen to be lying (gasp) standing against the actual word of the Living God who only promised to raise up one Prophet not two.
But panic not for the Romans invented the Angel Gabriel to give a religious persona to their tale of Jesus. Gabriel was never real. But that again reflects on those silly claims of Muhammad and the claim the Koran itself came from the very words of this Angel Gabriel who stands against the actual word of the Living God. Tsk tsk tsk Cant wait for Muslims to get to that point in Time to speak of the (cough) Angel Gabriel with the real live genuine Deuteronomy prophet Starjade. Thats breakfast time folks. eat rotfl
Islam is doomed and powerless against me and my God given revelations. Perhaps you can see why I am the undisputed Challenger and all who come up against me bite the Dust. Oh and please now and then do smile and think just who is he just who is he this one who is giving such startling Revelations. Because in my eyes that is the funniest part of all these religious conversations and Revelations.
I do not need to waffle on about Angels and prophets when Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 onwards already does establish exactly who I am. That law was brought down by Moses from the Living God and that then makes that Deuteronomy law the actual word of the Living God. So I am already established by the actual word of the living God, religious law, plus the many signs in the heavens and by my own acts and deeds all of which gives me absolute authenticity. And to me the Living God said they should hearken.
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rotfl Is this all? Starjade, I could do better in trying to disprove the quran. Why don't you find a Christian scholar or anyone else who is actually well-grounded in the quran so some real arguments could be made?
Again I have yet to see internal contradictions in the quran, sorry.
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rotfl Is this all? Starjade, I could do better in trying to disprove the quran. Why don't you find a Christian scholar or anyone else who is actually well-grounded in the quran so some real arguments could be made?
Again I have yet to see internal contradictions in the quran, sorry.
He judges the Quran based on his corrupted Bible. well, newsflash, we believe the Bible to be full of nonsense.
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Amazing how entrenched in crap one can get, but delusions of grandeur tend to do that.
For starters, neither Ibn Abbas nor the other so-called Imams are authorities on anything related to space, or generally anything other than their own perception, and their word is nothing to do with the Quran.
Your method is to take an allegorical description, and turn it into a literal description, see 37. Another of your favourite ploys is to take sources external to the Quran, usually narrations based on hearsay and conjecture - narrations made by humans who were, slightly stupid as evidenced from their text. Then you avoid the idea of taking the Arabic meanings, because it may expose your delusions.
The sheer volume of pure horseshit is what stops me from refuting it, but for starters, in this 4-dimensional reality we call life, the fourth dimension is time. In time, Aaron A does not have to be = to Aaron B, because the two can be separated by thousands of years. Yes, I said it - people can share the same name. Really!
Anyway, I suggest you exit your mother's basement and PLEASE get yourself checked out at a good ward. If I knew your address they would be over soon...
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rotfl Is this all? Starjade, I could do better in trying to disprove the quran. Why don't you find a Christian scholar or anyone else who is actually well-grounded in the quran so some real arguments could be made?
Again I have yet to see internal contradictions in the quran, sorry.
Starjade says; Oh I only showed a few contradictions as it was claimed there are none. Clearly there are. Why not examine the 21 errors in the Koran I have given links to. Then we shall see how clever you are.
http//www.geocities.com/end_of_times/surahfoureighthytwo.html
If you want conversations with a Christian Scolar who is also an expert on Islam and the Koran i can invite her here. She would be the Christian Minister iris. her religious knowledge would stagger you. Are you sure you want me to invite her to come and chat with you? Be warned she can and will eat you for breakfast. eat rotfl