Starjade Sura 4:82 challenges the whole of Islam.
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Starjade,
Thank you for displaying your skills in copying and pasting.
That said, STILL waiting for internal contradictions in the quran. Please present two or more supposedly contradicting verses (all from the quran) and explain why you think they are contradicting. Thank you.
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Just kidding, haha, I didn't say "OPF Says", it doesn't count. Funnily enough, I was just having a flick through... http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNCYjBaBAhs
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starjade actually leroy jenkins is famous in cyberspace... he even had a reference on jeopardy, so he is famous in real space too... iris? never saw her on jeopardy or youtube
and when i said your webpage is brutal i didn't mean that the content was harsh towards those it is speaking against... i meant it is brutal in the fact that it looks like absolute garbage, half the content is unreadable due to your bad font choices, and puff the magic dragon smoking a pipe is really distracting.
your layout blows.
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lmao, that link wasn't what I was expecting!
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"To make myself the new prophet, I must the make the old prophets look bad!"
Wow Starjade you had a sentence which didn't start with "Starjade says" A whole post no less...
Foot... meet mouth
Starjade says; Those you think are Prophets may not actually be Prophets. Just because you are led to believe they are Porphets that does not make them so. To be established as a prophet you need to accurately Prophesise the future and before more than two or three witnesses if you want to be established as a Porphet by religious law.
Now if I show that Jesus and Muhammad are frauds then they were not Prophets people only thought they were but false Prophets are presumtuous to think they could speak in Gods name.
My pointing out false Prophets is a good thing as following false Prophets is forbidden by the Living God.
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Starjade says Oh come now OPF you Muslims here are already shirking the Sura 482 challenge and avoiding those errors that I mention exist in the Koran.Glib replies just show what your charactor is. A real Muslim would have attempted to defend their religion or held a religious discussion with me. And the likes of you come on with one liners. Do you think that makes you important in the eyes of the congregations. Does it make you feel they will embrace you as their pal and free you from that lonely world you live in.?
OPF The Legendary King And Slaughterer of Demonic Beings Who Like the Colour Pink With a Hint Of [email protected] Says Firstly, I am not "you muslims".
Starjade says; When you attempt to defend islam the Koran or the silly claims of Muhammad then that makes you a Muslim and if I write in the plural I am speaking to more than you. And I like the colour Pink also. I like many colours that is why I can tell the difference between black and white.
OPF you say; Secondly, your knowledge of islam and general things (especially pertaining to reality) is weak. I remember something about a bark being worse than a bite, can it refer to a tree?
Starjade laughs; I am a Tree of knowledge and know many things about the religion of Islam that will surprise you. But I do not want to show off too much of my power when it is best to remain silent so you Muslims fall into that sense of security only to then be blown away into the reality of your religious deceptions.
OPF you say; Thirdly, I addressed a fraction of your post in another thread or this thread and you failed to respond. That is equal to forfeiting.
Starjade says; I do not know what post you speak about. This is the only thread I have posted so far. If a reply is pending then show patience as my own Time is taxed doing all sorts of stuff. As a matter of fact I wrote a reply to some things you said last night. I was going to edit it for posting but as you grow impatient you can take it as it is.
Islam is the one who is losing this argument. Again and again I see you Muslims shirk away from the many errors that exist in the Koran. I even left you easy ones to refute whiles the others are beyond your abilities. Hence your silence.
OPF you say; But in any case, you, Starjade, the True Doomsday Prophet of The Living God Behind The Veiled Crack have met your match, for I am King Anubis the 32nd Of Zargon V Six Of the Twelfth Dimension, and my religious knowledge far outshines yours.
Starjade says; Really and there was me a Prophet from the Living God just thinking you were an idiot.
OPF you say; OPF - TLKASODWLTCPWAHOF, the One Prophesied in 381 will take five contradictions of your ridiculously long list and address them after you respond to the original. OPF must exit his mother's basement now.
Don?t know what you are babbling about but my original list of errors are Starjades 21 errors found in the Koran and the beliefs of Muhammad. They are a bit deep for you to be able to manage methinks.
http//www.geocities.com/end_of_times/surahfoureighthytwo.html
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2Pac - Notts you said; I personally think this starjade guy is suffering from some kind of mental disorder.
Starjade laughs; A Muslim who gives worship to the moon says I must have a mental disorder. Try and remind yourself that I came here inviting the whole of Islam to try and defend the Koran and the claims of Muhammad from my Revelations. So far I have named many errors in the Koran and in the belief of Muhammad and his followers and yet you shirk a reply to those matters. It is a funny thing that the word Lunacy is pertaining to the mooin that you worship. Not hard to reason why.
2Pac - Notts you said; Not one INTERNAL contradiction of the quran has been represented YET.
Starjade doth say; Now you are in error with this lie for these pages record many errors and internal contradictions in the Koran. So stop shirking. Besides I thought it would be right nice to invite you all to Conspiracy Central rather than display those words here that destroy your religion. They are waiting on that forum to see islam bite the Dust before their very eyes. They have heard my brag the brag and talk the talk now they want to see me walk the walk and believe me I can do that and with a swagger.
2Pac - Notts you said; Instead of promoting your site why not post a topic on here starting with your "supposed" contradiction of the quran and then we can discuss further.
Starjade says; The End of Times web site does not belong to me. It was created by the American Philosopher Liberty Girl. I link to that web site because it already had data written and so that saves my repeating myself. After all many ask the same Questions and so be sure I am prepared. As for Conspiracy Central that is not my web site either. I just happened to surf on by and ventured in. Already the Sura 482 challenge has reached 20 pages long and still rising.
The Sura 482 challenge is a way that the errors in the Koran can be discussed and under Islamic law. So then why are you shirking those errors pretending that you are blind and cannot see when all along you had been blind but now have that power to see more further than you have ever done before. Mind you there will always be those that will dwell forever in the dark no matter what light shines upon them.
2Pac - Notts you said; By the way using bible or any other source which isn't based on logic and reasoning would be illogical to refute contradictions within the Quran because then any mad man can make up a theory or pull history out of his ass and use it to make up a contradiction....it doesn't work like that starjade.
Starjade says; As can be seen I have been using the words of the Koran. But as Muhammad claims that he is that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews. And as 11 Chapters of the Koran glorify Jesus as being the Prophet that Jesus has proclaimed himself as being which happens to be that very Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews. And as Muhammad and the Koran speak of Moses and Isaiah and other Prophets of the Old Testament as well as the false prophets of the New Testament. Then the Old and New testament does have every right to be mentioned and pretending the Old Testament isn?t valid is just not going to wash with me when Muhammad and the Koran sure as hell consider it valid. Of course the New Testament was a Roman fabrication but the Koran does mention Jesus and so your entire argument on that score is not valid.
By the way I have seen every Islamic scam and shirk in the book. There must be a book of these things in Islamic propaganda and so do not try the old oh we don?t believe in the Old Testament rubbish. The Koran would be an empty book without the statements and Prophecies of the Old Testament and Muhammad could not make his proclamations of being that Prophet without the Old Testament and Moses and Isaiah. Be wary then before you start to play your games and by the way have some respect. These conversations no matter where they are on any forum are all done under Islamic law. So button it up and start to give that account for the many errors found in the Koran instead of trying to shirk those errors with glib abuse.
2Pac - Notts you said; Take time to study the subject your refuting and then bring an argument instead of blabbing nonsense history and circular arguments. PEACE
Starjade says; I was taught the religion of Islam by Islamic experts and they also taught me some Islamic law and the way a Muslim mind thinks. I know my subject very well which is why I am the challenger and you have a Kuffars shirk bone. I have one simple argument but it runs deep. I want all religious scholars of all religions to think about this argument.
Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 onwards is a law brought down by Moses from the Living God and is therefore known to be the actual word of the Living God. It can be established by Deuteronomy law that I am a genuine Prophet. With a provable connection to the Living God. Who has already had a hand in a Miracle right here on earth. In addition, who has already approached the descendants of Abraham with a view to a Mass exodus of the Descendants of Abraham from the four corners of the globe? They will Exodus to Africa in my apocalyptic plans and build a biosphere. The Third temple to the Living God whiles they await a new land that I have promised them which will arrive in the South Eastern Atlantic Basin next to Africa on that apocalyptic day. This way they will survive that apocalypse and everything else will die.
To fully grasp and understand what a Prophet from the living God is truly talking about you will have to understand the Old Testament and the Jews religion. They are waiting for a Prophet to come from the Living God to do just that. To cause that world wide Exodus I would have to be able to establish for a fact that I alone am that very specific Deuteronomy Chapter 18 verses 15/18 Prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews. In addition, according to Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 onwards I can actually do that. That is something nobody else on this Planet who has ever lived can do. Jesus and Muhammad cannot. They have no witness testimony to back up their silly claims.
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I am a genuine Prophet with a provable connection to the Living God who has already walked that Exodus walk and done those deeds and the Exodus plans are pending fulfilment. In case you are truly religiously ignorant let me be specific. The very Prophet that those Jews had been waiting for is that very specific Deuteronomy Chapter 18 verses 15/18 Prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews. Remind yourself that according to Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 onwards laws I am established as being a genuine prophet with a provable connection to the Living God who has already performed a miracle right here on earth. I have already fulfilled that prophecy by my own acts and deeds. The Exodus is still pending along with the Third temple because the Jews are and always have been a blasphemous people. Always worshipping Golden Calves and breaking their Covenant with the Living God.
To cut the matter short. There is an apocalypse on the horizon that will cause mass extinction to every oxygen breathing life form on this Planet. The Jews are waiting for a prophet from the Living God to arrive and gather them up from the four corners of the globe and lead them to a New land and they expect that Prophet to build that Third Temple to the Living God. As I have seen those future apocalyptic earthquakes, I see that as a Good way to move potentially billions out of those earthquakes zones and build a biosphere for them all to live in. In doing that deed I will have saved the lives of potentially billions even though the only real Chosen ones are those that belong to the Living God which are the first born of man and beast. I just like to broaden my horizons. I do not give a damn that they are Jews. I do not care about the descendants of Abraham. It is just that they are the only ones in their millions of millions who are waiting for a Prophet from the Living God to do all those Exodus plans. That Exodus is the solution to that extinction that will occur when that ever nearing apocalypse happens. And trust in me I have the date of that event as I saw it happen with my own eyes.
Now then when I look out upon the religious congregations of this world, I see Muslims and Christians. They in their silly worlds of delusion believe that Jesus or Muhammad is that specific Deuteronomy Chapter 18 verses 15/18 Prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews. Now I know they are both liars and frauds because as Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 onwards can establish, only I could be that specific Deuteronomy Prophet.
So it is then a natural order of things that I shall go forth and expose those frauds in the eyes of their own congregations and squash the beliefs of those false pretenders to my Throne and cause them to bite Dust. Trust me I do that very easily. Now for me I plan to save the lives of potentially billions of people. Your those people and so are your children. It can be established by religious law that I do prophesise genuine earthquakes. So the grave grim apocalyptic situation I speak about is a genuine event of the future that will soon be upon you. I hear fools laugh and they also laughed at Noah but he was the wise in the end and they who did not believe perished.
Jesus bit the dust long ago. But do not forget that Ishmael was a descendant of Abraham and they are today?s Arabs. They foolishly invented a new Golden Calf called the Koran. I have already spoken of them worshipping the moon, which is detestable in the eyes of the living God. So a way must be found to stop that and convert them. The Sura 482 of the Koran and the Islamic law I have invoke has that potential if they were genuine Muslims.
From my mind I see a way to save a planet from extinction. From the Christians and Muslims point of view I am attacking your idols and Golden Calves and so you insult me and cast spuke and abuse. Who then stands in the right. I am a world saviour a true Messiah with plans to save a Planet and to fulfil the will and the wishes of the Living God to whom even the living God said you should hearken.
Or is it you Moon worshippers and idolisers of man and beasts in the form of Golden calves that are presumptuous to think that they could speak in Gods name. I have every right to condemn you and your idols and golden calves. They stand against the actual word of the Living God and they will cause those congregations to face that grim extinction.
I speak of the why I am established as being that Deuteronomy Prophet. Why I go to such lengths to prove that to be a fact before the very eyes of the congregations. Why I am actively bringing your false religions to bear forcing you all to bite the Dust.
And what excuse can you give for your false Prophets who cannot be established by Deuteronomy law not did they attempt that world wide exodus. Your reasons are only your own ego?s and idolisations. That lonely experience that makes you all feel a part of the crowd. You cannot establish your false prophets to be that specific Deuteronomy Prophet or Prophets from God at all. Deuteronomy law and the word of the Living God already stands against them as well as your own doctrines. How sad is that. When your buildings fall down upon you on that grim apocalyptic day your false Prophets will not be coming to save you for in them you had been misled. There is only one genuine Prophet from the Living God thinking of you during those grave Times which is why I came back in the past to find a way to warn you.
You talk as if you are religious yet you worship false gods and false Prophets and ignore the actual word of the Living God and the Living Gods Prophets. To me the living God said you must hearken but I see you are blind men without insight. Do not tell me you are religious when you stand against the actual word of the Living God to spout presumptuous claims about your false Prophets to someone who can be established by Deuteronomy law and the word of the Living God to be a genuine Prophet who has come from the Living God.
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I presented you with facts to show those you believed in the past are false prophets who are presumptuous to think they could speak in Gods name. Have none of you got that little thing called common sense. Already before your very eyes islam has bitten the Dust. Your Islamic scholars cannot defend islam or the Koran or the claims of Muhammad. Your own religious leaders dare not make accusations of blasphemy against me because they know Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 onwards means there would be a public trial and I will crucify Islam and Christianity with my God given Revelations.
In addition, whiles I take this visit to spare moment?s farm remind your self that Muhammad in his presumptuousness, said he was the last prophet to come from god. hahahaha of course he did say the false prophet jesus would come after him. And the Christians claim Jesus to be a prophet as you already know.
Well get a load of me, who is established by Deuteronomy law, which is the actual word of the Living God, to be that very specific Deuteronomy Prophet who has come from the Living God, that the Living God himself promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews. This is who it is that you are facing in this Sura 482 challenge. And you did hear me say go fetch your religious scholars and imams to help you because you truly will need that support even though I already know just as they do that they are powerless against me and my God given Revelations. I just like to show that point to bring the matter to that conclusion. Islam and the Koran and the claims of Jesus and Muhammad have bitten the Dust. Wake up and face that reality or never say with any justification that you are a religious ever again.
And he began to make the ark; and whenever the chiefs from among his people passed by him they laughed at him. He said If you laugh at us, surely we too laugh at you as you laugh (at us).
Hahaha and as you requested I posted even more errors found in the Koran and in the beliefs of Muhammad. Why then are you shirking all of these errors that I mention. Anyways these are my arguments. But as I am on a roll here is another error to ponder upon. It is known the Jews waited for a prophet to come from the Living God and gather them up from the four corners of the globe. Go ask a Jew if you do not believe me. Choose an Israelite Jew as the Ishmaelites now worship the moon and forget the way of the Living God.
However, in the Claims of Christianity and Islam you all forget. During the Times when Jesus and Muhammad were claimed to have lived, those Jews were not then scattered to the four corners of the globe. That scattering of the Jews only happened during the world wars. Therefore, it was never possible for Jesus or Muhammad to have been that Deuteronomy Prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews. They never were in any position to fulfil that End of Times Prophecy. Now come on how do you explain that hard to miss fact. Have your religious leaders been asleep over the centuries.
Muhammad claimed he had fulfilled Prophecies made by Isaiah. But what explanation do you have as to why Muhammad and Jesus never fulfilled this exodus Prophecy. Or why that could not be possible to gather up the Jews from the four corners of the globe blowing out all of their claims just on those very Exodus Matters.
Isaiah 1111 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
Isaiah 1112 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
Don?t you Muslims think it is Time you listened to the Islamic law that I have invoked in the very beginnings. And listened for a change to the Koran itself when it says; Do they not then meditate on the Quran? And if it were from any other than Allah, they would have found in it many a discrepancy.
Starjade concludes. I find it most funny that this Sura is found in that Chapter named women. Its so apt. Wrinkly old women might be better. Or Kuffar Shirkers of the Koran might even be more accurate.
Now come on 2Pac - Notts and Navid and the rest of you. You demanded to see a list of errors because the errors I already showed you took you out of your depth. You must refute all these errors and with sound reason. Not with the shirk of you don?t believe spwek. We are not discussing your beliefs but the statements of the Koran and the claims of Muhammad.
This other list of errors is small I have many many more that can and will overwhelm you. If your religious scholars and Imams became lost then you are way out in the wilderness of Sin.
In addition, I am just one man who has challenged the whole of Islam and it is Islam, the Koran, and the claims of Muhammad that continue to bite the Dust.
Read this narrative from Yusuf. It is as Muhammad a point to be made that Muhammad after hearing these tales from the Old Testament wrote what he recalled was the best parts of the stories that he could recall from the Old Testament. But of course he did not recall that tale well did he.
We narrate to you the best of narratives, by Our revealing to you this Quran, though before this you were certainly one of those who did not know.
The Old Testament is more clear and tells the tale with clarity and truth. The Korans tale of this portion of the Old Testament is annoying to me. Joseph was a dreamer of dreams and this tale in the Koran turns the story to nightmares destroying the tale for a deceptive mans convenience. What is more in the Old testament is a secret knowledge hidden between the lines. In the Koran in Muhammad?s re written version of the tale causes that hidden knowledge to be lost causing my teeth to gnash.
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Well I see you have all been busy writing something. It may take a whiles for me to read and reply. So please be patient. After all you would want be to be diligent. I may have to post the replies on the morrow as my Time is taxed and computer time scarce. But I will get around to replying. As I have said if I am barred from posting and a silence ensures that woiuld be the reason. So email me at [email protected] should that occur.
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May I join your cult O Greatest Cthulhuesque Entity Of The Deep? I must ask my mother for the use of her attic before I can actually.
Starjade says; A moderator of an Islamic forum avoiding speaking of those errors in the Koran. Wassamatter dont you have some answer to those matters? Of course I already gave the answer and so has the Koran. Do they not then meditate on the Quran? And if it were from any other than Allah, they would have found in it many a discrepancy.
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Yeah and Muslims are getting the point as well.
Peaceful Mind you said; No way!
Starjade says; Your very silence gives you away. None of you want to speak on this matter of Jesus and Muhammad both claiming to be the very same Prophet or of Muhammad believing in Jesus and 11 Chapters of the Koran glorifying Jesus as being the Prophet that Jesus has proclaimed himself as being. These facts show the claims of Muhammad to be in serious error.
Starjade says; Of course he stole his ideas and re wrote the text of the Old Testament and the New. That is obvious.
Peaceful Mind No, he copied nothing. God revealed the Quran to him. The 3 religions have similarites between them because they are coming from the same God.
Starjade says; Only Muhammad says that God revealed the Koran to him. There is no evidence that is true and by the Sura 482 it is a certain fact that with so many errors existing in the Koran and the claims of Muhammad then God did not reveal the Koran to Muhammad. Muhammad tried to recall those Biblical tales writ and more legible then the Korans stories. But Muhammad re wrote the stories into his own wrong versions to mislead people.
The Christians religion is similar as they kept to as much detail as possible. But the Koran is way off the topic altering the Biblical tales with a feeble account in the Koran.
The three religions are not the same the Christians believe Jesus is that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews. The Muslims think Muhammad is that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews.
Peaceful Mind We do not believe that God promosed Moses to raise up a prophet in the midst of the "Jews". Muhammed is the last Prophet from God. We do not believe in the authenticity of the so-called Old Testament. Got it?
Starjade says; How convenient. But Muslims world wide are arguing over this matter of from thy brethren because Muhammad claimed he was that Deuteronomy Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. Surely some Muslim has told you that before. Try doing some research before you voice that opinion. The living God can send as many prophets to this Planet as God wants. It is not the place of any mortal man to say otherwise.
The long awaited Deuteronomy Prophet was known as the last Prophet the End of Times Prophet in mans nicknames because that Deuteronomy Prophet was expected by the Prophets to appear near to the End of Times when a grave apocalypse would strike this Planet and just as it was in the days of Noah there would be an extinction of the species.
Furthermore Muhammad who proclaimed himself to being that very Deuteronomy Prophet that Jesus had already proclaimed himself as being is in fact proven to be a liar and a fraud by the Sura 482 of the Koran by the many errors found in the Koran that you Muslims are all shirking. So his word isn?t worth diddly squat.
In case you fell asleep during these conversations it can be established by Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 law that I am a Prophet with a provable connection to the Living God. Once again Muhammad is seen to be caught out in a lie that you are fool enough to believe.
http//www.geocities.com/end_of_times/chaptertwo.htm
As for the authenticity of the Old Testament. If it was not relevant as you claim then why is the Koran speaking badly worded versions of Old Testament stories. And the same goes for the New Testament which is false.
And the Jews already know that I have arrived. And that includes the Ishmaelite.
Peaceful Mind The Ishamelite? You really have no clue.
Starjade says; I have spoke with Israelites and Ishmaelite on these matters and other matters regarding the Exodus because they are descendants of Abraham. The rest of you Muslims are not of interest to me as you are not of Abraham?s seed. That does not mean I would not save you as alien residents but I cannot save worshippers of the moon or other false god worshippers and false prophet idolaters. So it is you who does not know what they are talking about. hmm
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Now come on 2Pac - Notts and Navid and the rest of you. You demanded to see a list of errors because the errors I already showed you took you out of your depth. You must refute all these errors and with sound reason. Not with the shirk of you don?t believe spwek. We are not discussing your beliefs but the statements of the Koran and the claims of Muhammad.
There are no errors. Please show me one internal error. Just one, that's all I ask.
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There are no errors. Please show me one internal error. Just one, that's all I ask.
I have already shown you many internal errors in the Koran so stop shirking read them and reply. Denial is futile it just shows you to be a shirking Kuffar.
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i should write 100 posts and just repeat myself over and over in every post
I have a better idea instead of feeding bulldump as an exuse to avoid those errors in the Koran why not try and explain them away. rotfl
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What is more the Jews claim they worship the Living God the Christians worship Jesus and the Muslims worship the Moon and Muhammad. I do not think they follow the same God but the Muslims certainly do not follow the Living God.Peaceful Mind you said; I do not care what others worship ,but we worship the One and Only God ,not the moon or Muhammad.
Starjade says; Type Hubal al?ilah into your search engine for you are being deceived you may say and think you worship the only God but in Islam that could be a choice of many hundreds. It isn?t true. You do not give worship to the Living God and your rites in your religion are rites performed for the worship of hubal al?ilah. Did you all think we did not know these things.
Starjade says; Seeing as you asked here are the many Prophesied signs in the heavens and trust me there are more I have not mentioned. http//www.geocities.com/end_of_times/chapterfour.htm
Then there is details of a Miracle I have already had a hand in right here on earth. http//www.geocities.com/end_of_times/chaptertwo.htm
Peaceful Mind you said; Crap. Those are not signs or miracles. I want a Burning Bush, a Walking on Water, or a Night Jouney.
Starjade says; It is still a miracle. Your dreams and delusions are not something the Living God or I care about. You get what you are given. That Mexican women praying to God for help and those babies are still called miracle babies to this day. It is a world wide recognised miracle. Those signs in the heavens were Prophesied by Prophets and all came to pass whiles I was having conversations with the Jews with a view to a world wide exodus. Like that or not. It is still valid in accordance with Deuteronomy law. It is your comments that cause me to say bring me your religious scholars and Imams and religious leaders. These things are beyond the grasp of ordinary mankind.
It is only the Living God who has followers. I am simply the Living Gods Prophet. As for who should be following me. That is all the descendants of Abraham and some Alien residents.
Peaceful Mind you said;Does that include Muslims and Arabs? And who are those Aliens?
Starjade says; The Arabs are the Ishmaelite. It does not say in the Old Testament that any Muslim will be saved or any Christian. They did not exist in those Times. As for the Aliens they are those who were not Hebrew yet embraced the Hebrews religion and the Living God as their God.
Remind yourself Kuffar Peaceful Mind that already I have challenged islam and shown many errors and discrepancies that exist in the Koran. Be certain religion is not some game I play. However if you as a Muslim cannot defend the Koran then it is you who will seen as a Joke of sorts.
Peaceful Mind you said; You have shown nothing so far.
Starjade says; That is a deceptive lie from a shirking Kuffar. I have staggered you all with data pertaining to errors in the Koran and the beliefs of Muhammad. And I gave you all a link to another web site where this challenge already is into its 20 page. So far you have all been avoiding speaking of those errors but the day will come when you must face up to these things like men.
Already you have bitten the Dust as any true religious scholar who understands these things can see. eat rotfl
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Starjade says; You may believe what you want but if it is proven to be true then it is true no matter what you believe. Iris is very knowledgeable. Again however there is that contradiction because of the matter of Jesus. Her faith certainly got shattered by my Revelations.
Peaceful Mind you said; Nothing has been proven to be true by you. If you shattered her faith then she is by no means knowledgeable.
Starjade says; Everything I say has been proven true. You just are in denial drowning in delusions fraught with grief. I agree with you on the religious grounds for I showed her how Jesus is a fraud. The evidence was there for her to see and she certainly saw it. But religions can be hard for people to shake off after all the idolisation that has taken place. The evidence speaks for itself. So in that sense she is lacking knowledge.
However, her knowledge of religions is staggering nay astonishing, as you will find out when she has the Time to appear. Oh and by the way. She does not like the way Muslims treat women.
Starjade says; Sometimes I have to bring evidence to the table and that can tax my Time. On another forum in the arguments of who adopted Moses the wife of the Pharaoh as it says in the Koran or the Daughter of the Pharaoh as it said in the Old Testament. That took about a week as I had then to study Egyptian history to find out the truth. The Koran was of course wrong it was the daughter of the Pharaoh who adopted Moses not the wife.
Peaceful Mind you said; Do not judge the Quran based on the corrupted claims of the so-called Old Testament.
Starjade laughs. The Old Testament is the origin of the tale of Moses. The Koran is not even a good copy. And its tale is in serious error. I was in conversations with a Dr Maybe on the Why Islam forum when this adopted by the Pharaoh?s daughter thing came about. Dr Maybee suggested that it was possible the daughter was at that Time married to the Pharaoh and also a Pharaoh?s daughter at the same Time.
I could see that was a possible explanation for that error and contradiction in the Koran. So I then studied Egyptian history to find if that was true. Nefure hatshepsut was not married at the Time she adopted Moses and only became married when Moses killed the Egyptian and fled Egypt. Then if she had not married the ruling Crown by Egyptian law would have gone to another family. So the Koran was in error to say it was the wife of the Pharaoh.
I hereby name this as yet another error found in the Koran regarding the Korans version of the adoption of Moses by as the Koran says the Pharaoh's wife (in sura 289). This story contradicts the Biblical Exodus 210 version, which states that it was Pharaoh's daughter who adopted Moses.
Let me explain these things to you as the list of errors found in the Koran accumulates beyond your ability to give any accounts.
Egyptian history proves the error exists in the Koran. The Daughter of the pharaoh Thutmoses 1 /Amenhotep 1 was Nefure Hatshepsut she was not married when she adopted Moses. She only became married when Moses killed the Egyptian and fled Egypt. Had Nefure Hatshepsut not married then the ruling Crown would have been passed onto another family. That is another error I have also named as existing in the Koran. However, the term Pharaoh is a Title and Thutmoses 1 /Amenhotep 1. was called Pharaoh but was only a co regent to Pharaoh Ahmosis who lived in Thebes in Memphis. The Pharaoh Ahmosis was the main ruler of Egypt and so Thutmoses 1 /Amenhotep 1. would only be the main ruling Pharaoh after the death of the Pharaoh Ahmosis.
Nefure was the only surviving daughter of Thutmoses 1 / Amenhotep 1. Nefure she convinced her father to make her little adopted child Moses his future heir. So Moses was set up to become the future King of all Egypt. Moses became known as Senmut which means mothers brother. It is a named derived from the tale of Osiris and Horus but I will not be talking about that. Historians studies show that Moses came to live in the palace at about 12 years Old about the same Time that his adopted Grandfather Thutmoses 1 / Amenhotep 1. Became main emperor over the whole of Egypt. At this Time they had moved from the palace at Memphis where the Co regent ruled and went to Thebes where the main Palace was.
At about the age of 18 Moses was designated the future heir apparent with his mother Nefure as his regent. She was now given the additional royal name of ?Hatshepsut? and was then referred to as Queen instead of princess. Once someone was designated as the future heir to the throne his inscriptions refer to him as ?King?. Moses was elevated to this position of heir apparent when he was 24 years old. When Moses became about 33 years old he was designated as being the Crown Prince and became known as Thutmoses 11. The numbers after the Egyptian Kings names are simply designations given to them by Egyptologists to identify each succeeding person of the same name. When Moses was 40 he killed an Egyptian and so as history claims Moses had to flee Egypt.
To prevent the loss of the Crown to another family Thutmoses 1 / Amenhotep 1. Who clearly was still alive otherwise Moses would have been crowned King Pharaoh. Thutmoses 1 / Amenhotep 1. married his daughter off to her younger half brother Thutmose who became called Thutmose the 11 and that was how Nefure Hatshepsut became married. So Egyptian history does prove the Koran is in error.
Starjade concludes. I had to wade through staggering amounts of Egyptian history to find the truth and it took me ages of studying Egyptian text. You see the Muslim argued was it possible that the daughter was also married to a pharaoh hence she could be the wife as it says in the Koran and the daughter as it says in the Old Testament. However, upon diligent inquisition it was found that Nefure Hatshepsut was not married at the Time she adopted Moses. You see I do look things up to be sure of what is true against what is not. The Koran was in error.Peaceful Mind you said; Thutmoses 1/Amenhotep 1 were'nt/wasn't the Pharaoh of Moses. Historians do not know for sure when the Exodus happened for sure.
Starjade says; No he was the father of Nefure Hatshepsut who adopted Moses. Moses was to become his prince regent. Historians make all kinds of claims. I looked at the whole of Egyptian History of that Time period and trust me dr. Maybe was going to check as well as thousands of more Muslims on the forum we were speaking on. I made no mistake. Nefure Hatshepsut was not married at the Time she adopted Moses. Only after Moses killed the Egyptian and fled did she marry and that was the Pharaoh that Moses went to face with his brother Aaron.
Do you Muslims and others note the lists of errors I name in the Koran and the beliefs of Muhammad are continually rising.
Peaceful Mind you said; I found no errors or contradictions whatsoever.
Starjade laughs; I have seen your denial in other places. In Islam it is called Shirking. Try reading page 5 more closely. In fact every page describes errors found in the Koran and in the claims and beliefs of Moses. It must be so comforting to you to hide in a shirk rather than face up to a thing called responsibility. It is so easy for Muslims to shirk Islamic law as a matter of convenience and to ignore the Sura 482 challenge of the Koran. Tell you what go fetch you mommy online seeing as you are so afraid of reality. I shall chat with her. Muslim women have a better backbone then the man.
Starjade laughs so now she is not going to be in your dreams eh? Being stood up in a dream is an ego shatterer.
Peaceful Mind you said; I seriously do not know what to say here!
Starjade scoffs; yes we can tell by the shirkers silence.
In Cyberspace iris is very well known. One could consider her in religious debates she is a predator with issues.
Peaceful Mind you said; Never heard about her and do not care about her to be honest.
Starjade says; Phew trust me you are going to know when she arrives. Fret notteth for you still have me to deal with and I am you worst nightmare come true. I am a real live genuine Prophet from the Living God. That specific Deuteronomy Prophet. I laugh in the face of Jews Muslims and Christians over that reality as they all wince in pain as they end up biting the Dust. eat rotfl
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Maria you said; Hi Starjade, I don't understand why you keep asking us to go to our Imams and scolars for help!!? I don't think you have read up about us in this forum.Many of us are backing off from traditional Islam and we also think that Quran has been awfully mistranslated.
Starjade says; I was challenged by Horseonwheels to come to this forum with my Revelations. I suggested it was better you all came to conspiracy central as the conversations already had begun. I said as he wrote on this forum then go invite you all. But he has chickens legs. So I came here in person to challenge all the Islamic scholars he said exist on this forum. Imams memorise the Koran and Islamic scholars are better prepared to try and defend the Koran from my Revelations in that soon they know they cannot defend the Koran or the claims of Muhammad. They see that right away and so the point is made faster.
Maria you said; Actually what is really a proof?
Starjade says; Evidence that something is not true.
Maria you said; It sounds to me like you are a real agnostic who will wait for God to show himself infront of you
Starjade says; I have already had a personal encounter with the Living God when I died way back in 1980. Now I am on an apocalyptic mission. http//www.geocities.com/end_of_times/chapterone.htm
Maria you said; There are alot that do exist but we cannot see and/or touch it. But we have our soul, what we feel inside. People who are not in touch with their soul are not whole humans. A balance between the body and soul makes an healthy and terrifiq human being. Maria
Starjade says; When you read my Journey beyond the grave you will see I have seen my own Soul and resurrected it into my own dead body. You are misjudging me.