Starjade Sura 4:82 challenges the whole of Islam.
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Well hello there everyone. My name is Starjade I am the Deuteronomy Doomsday prophet Starjade. I was goaded by Muslims to challenge Islam. So I challenged the whole of Islam and not just a few and so far every Islamic scholar has bitten the Dust. No Muslim on this planet can defend the Koran or the silly claims of Muhammad from my Revelations.
I invited Horseonwheels to invite you all to take part in the Sura 482 challenge existing already nearly 20 pages long on the Conspiracy Central forum. Those Muslims there are Juffar Shirkers having seen the evidence found they could not defend Islam or the Koran or the silly claims of Muhammad. As he would not come here to invite you to help those Muslims on that web site I have come here to issue the Sura 482 challenge and invite you to take part in those conversations if you dare. Here is a link to that forum where I believe you will find more freedom of speach than you will on any islamic forum.
http//conspiracycentral.info/index.php?showtopic=14194&view=getnewpost
I am waiting.
There is a law in the religion of Islam that says if you know something that is not true then you must be unafraid, stand up, and state it. The matter must then be discussed. And whatever is found to be true will be accepted as being true. And whatever is found to be false will be rejected as being false.
I am invoking this Islamic law to open up serious religious discussions and Revelations with Muslims.
The Sura 482 says. Do they not consider the Koran with care for if it had come from any other than Allah then surely they would have found much discrepancy therein?
There is a challenge in Islam that is open to all Muslims and non-Muslims to find any errors in the Koran. This challenge has existed for 1400 years. If any errors are found to exist in the Koran then this is proof that the Koran did not come from God as Muslims claim.
Muslims goaded me to challenge Islam with my Revelations and we all agreed to discuss these Revelations under Islamic law and this law is invoked in the beginnings.
Be wary now for I am not a novice and to this day no Muslim has been able to defend the Koran or the claims of Muhammad from my God given Revelations. A Muslim during those conversations challenged me with the Sura 482 of the Koran. A Challenge he said has existed for 1400 years. So he was led to believe.
The facts are that if just one error exists in the Koran then that is proof that the Koran does not come from God. The challenge then is to find any errors in the Koran. If just one error exists in the Koran then the Koran itself admits that is proof that the Koran does not come from God. After all God does not make mistakes. The Sura 482 of the Koran says; Do they not consider the Koran with care for if it had come from any other than Allah then surely they would have found much discrepancy therein.
As the Sura 482 states much discrepancy then I decided to point out many errors and discrepancies that exist in the Koran to prove for a fact and beyond any doubt that the Koran does not come from the Living God. The fact that so many errors and discrepancies exist in the Koran, shows by the Sura 482 words of the Koran, that Muhammad who has claimed the Koran comes from God is in fact a liar and a fraud, who was presumptuous to think he could speak in the name of the Living God.
Of course it is known by history and many religious scholars that the god that Muhammad gave his worship to was in fact Hubal al'ilah, a pagan moon god worshipped throughout the middle east and Hubal al?ilah goes by many names one of them being that of Sin. The origin of to worship in Sin.
However, the reference in the Sura 482 of the Koran when it mentions Allah was obviously meant to mean the living God of Abraham and of Moses. The reason why that must be so is because the name Allah means the Supreme God and it is well known that there is only one true Living God and that is the Living God of Abraham and of Moses.
The pretence of Islam in today?s world is that Muslims are now giving worship to that living God of Moses. When in fact they hide the truth and give their worship to Hubal al?ilah the false pagan moon god. Worshipping in Sin.
The Sura 482 challenge of the Koran states Allah meaning supreme god and so this Sura 482 challenge is with regards to the claim that the Koran came from the Living God of Abraham and of Moses and of Starjade. I can outright prove for a fact that the Koran does not come from the living God and by using the words of the Koran itself as well as the very silly claims of Muhammad who was presumptuous to think he could speak in Gods name.
The many errors in the Koran make it clear that the Koran did not come from the one true living God of Abraham and of Moses for even you Muslims would not be foolish enough to claim that the Living God of Moses made those many errors that exist in the Koran. Those errors found in the Koran prove for a fact that the Koran did not come from God and that fact proves that Muhammad is a liar and a fraud who is presumptuous to think he could speak in Gods name.
In reply to the Muslim who challenged me with the Sura 482. I wrote out 21 errors that exist in the Koran that to this day stand undisputed. A link to those 21 errors in the Koran is linked below.
http//www.geocities.com/end_of_times/surahfoureighthytwo.ht ml
I am giving you all a link to these 21 errors in the Koran as a starter for this Sura 482 challenge with a warning that I know of over 500 more errors that exist in the Koran. It is a fact that no Muslim on this Planet is in any position to defend the Koran or the fabricated claims of Muhammad from my God given Revelations.
When those Muslims goaded me to challenge Islam with my Revelations, I accepted that challenge however, I challenged the whole of Islam and not just a few and the Islamic law I have invoked states you will have to reject the Koran and the claims of Muhammad. If you do not then what kind of Muslim does that make you.? I say it would make you a Kuffar shirking idolizer of a false prophet who was presumptuous to think he could speak in Gods name. That then makes you all guilty of blasphemy and that something detestable in the eyes of the Living God.
Be very wary now for many religious scholars have come before you trying to dispute the Revelations I have given and the many errors that exist in the Koran and the word of Muhammad in a futile attempt to defend Islam. Every one of them has bitten the Dust. I am not a Novice and I suggest you go tell your imams and Islamic scholars what I have said here and dare them to come online to face me.
Since I have revealed my Revelations, your Islamic scholars and you Imams have grown the chicken legs of a Kuffar Shirker. They already know they are powerless against me. If you cannot give accounts for all the errors that exist in the Koran {and trust me I already know you cannot.} Then Islam has lost the Sura 482 challenges admitting that it does not come from the Living God and those facts prove Muhammad is also a liar and a fraud and both are presumptuous to think they could speak in Gods name.
The Islamic law that I have invoked states that all Muslims reject what is proven to not be true and to accept what is found to be true. The Koran and the claims of Muhammad have already been proven to be fabricated lies and deceptions and that is something that the whole of Islam now has to face. The Koran itself says Muhammad is a liar and a fraud and that it did not come from the Living God.
Be the wise to be very careful if any of you Muslims have anything you want to say to me in the defense of your religion and its beliefs. Already in front of your faces, I have shown many errors already existing in the Koran. In addition, this is absolute evidence that the Koran does not come from the Living God and evidence that Muhammad is a liar and a fraud.
Be aware that when I speak of the Living God. I am speaking of the Living White Sphere that lives beyond the Veil of the Abyss in deep space, and there is only one living God.
So then, Muslims are you afraid of Starjade's Sura 482 Challenge. I advise that you go seek the advice off an Islamic scholar or your Imam before you dare to take me on. In fact, tell your Imam and Islamic scholars about me and challenge them to come and face me and my God given Revelations. However, do warn them that I am religiously superior to all of them combined and I will certainly eat them, the Koran, and the silly claims of Muhammad for breakfast.
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Well hello there everyone. My name is Starjade I am the Deuteronomy Doomsday prophet Starjade. I was goaded by Muslims to challenge Islam. So I challenged the whole of Islam and not just a few and so far every Islamic scholar has bitten the Dust. No Muslim on this planet can defend the Koran or the silly claims of Muhammad from my Revelations.
I invited Horseonwheels to invite you all to take part in the Sura 482 challenge existing already nearly 20 pages long on the Conspiracy Central forum. Those Muslims there are Juffar Shirkers having seen the evidence found they could not defend Islam or the Koran or the silly claims of Muhammad. As he would not come here to invite you to help those Muslims on that web site I have come here to issue the Sura 482 challenge and invite you to take part in those conversations if you dare. Here is a link to that forum where I believe you will find more freedom of speach than you will on any islamic forum.
http//conspiracycentral.info/index.php?showtopic=14194&view=getnewpost
I am waiting.
There is a law in the religion of Islam that says if you know something that is not true then you must be unafraid, stand up, and state it. The matter must then be discussed. And whatever is found to be true will be accepted as being true. And whatever is found to be false will be rejected as being false.
I am invoking this Islamic law to open up serious religious discussions and Revelations with Muslims.
The Sura 482 says. Do they not consider the Koran with care for if it had come from any other than Allah then surely they would have found much discrepancy therein?
There is a challenge in Islam that is open to all Muslims and non-Muslims to find any errors in the Koran. This challenge has existed for 1400 years. If any errors are found to exist in the Koran then this is proof that the Koran did not come from God as Muslims claim.
Muslims goaded me to challenge Islam with my Revelations and we all agreed to discuss these Revelations under Islamic law and this law is invoked in the beginnings.
Be wary now for I am not a novice and to this day no Muslim has been able to defend the Koran or the claims of Muhammad from my God given Revelations. A Muslim during those conversations challenged me with the Sura 482 of the Koran. A Challenge he said has existed for 1400 years. So he was led to believe.
The facts are that if just one error exists in the Koran then that is proof that the Koran does not come from God. The challenge then is to find any errors in the Koran. If just one error exists in the Koran then the Koran itself admits that is proof that the Koran does not come from God. After all God does not make mistakes. The Sura 482 of the Koran says; Do they not consider the Koran with care for if it had come from any other than Allah then surely they would have found much discrepancy therein.
As the Sura 482 states much discrepancy then I decided to point out many errors and discrepancies that exist in the Koran to prove for a fact and beyond any doubt that the Koran does not come from the Living God. The fact that so many errors and discrepancies exist in the Koran, shows by the Sura 482 words of the Koran, that Muhammad who has claimed the Koran comes from God is in fact a liar and a fraud, who was presumptuous to think he could speak in the name of the Living God.
Of course it is known by history and many religious scholars that the god that Muhammad gave his worship to was in fact Hubal al'ilah, a pagan moon god worshipped throughout the middle east and Hubal al?ilah goes by many names one of them being that of Sin. The origin of to worship in Sin.
However, the reference in the Sura 482 of the Koran when it mentions Allah was obviously meant to mean the living God of Abraham and of Moses. The reason why that must be so is because the name Allah means the Supreme God and it is well known that there is only one true Living God and that is the Living God of Abraham and of Moses.
The pretence of Islam in today?s world is that Muslims are now giving worship to that living God of Moses. When in fact they hide the truth and give their worship to Hubal al?ilah the false pagan moon god. Worshipping in Sin.
The Sura 482 challenge of the Koran states Allah meaning supreme god and so this Sura 482 challenge is with regards to the claim that the Koran came from the Living God of Abraham and of Moses and of Starjade. I can outright prove for a fact that the Koran does not come from the living God and by using the words of the Koran itself as well as the very silly claims of Muhammad who was presumptuous to think he could speak in Gods name.
The many errors in the Koran make it clear that the Koran did not come from the one true living God of Abraham and of Moses for even you Muslims would not be foolish enough to claim that the Living God of Moses made those many errors that exist in the Koran. Those errors found in the Koran prove for a fact that the Koran did not come from God and that fact proves that Muhammad is a liar and a fraud who is presumptuous to think he could speak in Gods name.
In reply to the Muslim who challenged me with the Sura 482. I wrote out 21 errors that exist in the Koran that to this day stand undisputed. A link to those 21 errors in the Koran is linked below.
http//www.geocities.com/end_of_times/surahfoureighthytwo.ht ml
I am giving you all a link to these 21 errors in the Koran as a starter for this Sura 482 challenge with a warning that I know of over 500 more errors that exist in the Koran. It is a fact that no Muslim on this Planet is in any position to defend the Koran or the fabricated claims of Muhammad from my God given Revelations.
When those Muslims goaded me to challenge Islam with my Revelations, I accepted that challenge however, I challenged the whole of Islam and not just a few and the Islamic law I have invoked states you will have to reject the Koran and the claims of Muhammad. If you do not then what kind of Muslim does that make you.? I say it would make you a Kuffar shirking idolizer of a false prophet who was presumptuous to think he could speak in Gods name. That then makes you all guilty of blasphemy and that something detestable in the eyes of the Living God.
Be very wary now for many religious scholars have come before you trying to dispute the Revelations I have given and the many errors that exist in the Koran and the word of Muhammad in a futile attempt to defend Islam. Every one of them has bitten the Dust. I am not a Novice and I suggest you go tell your imams and Islamic scholars what I have said here and dare them to come online to face me.
Since I have revealed my Revelations, your Islamic scholars and you Imams have grown the chicken legs of a Kuffar Shirker. They already know they are powerless against me. If you cannot give accounts for all the errors that exist in the Koran {and trust me I already know you cannot.} Then Islam has lost the Sura 482 challenges admitting that it does not come from the Living God and those facts prove Muhammad is also a liar and a fraud and both are presumptuous to think they could speak in Gods name.
The Islamic law that I have invoked states that all Muslims reject what is proven to not be true and to accept what is found to be true. The Koran and the claims of Muhammad have already been proven to be fabricated lies and deceptions and that is something that the whole of Islam now has to face. The Koran itself says Muhammad is a liar and a fraud and that it did not come from the Living God.
Be the wise to be very careful if any of you Muslims have anything you want to say to me in the defense of your religion and its beliefs. Already in front of your faces, I have shown many errors already existing in the Koran. In addition, this is absolute evidence that the Koran does not come from the Living God and evidence that Muhammad is a liar and a fraud.
Be aware that when I speak of the Living God. I am speaking of the Living White Sphere that lives beyond the Veil of the Abyss in deep space, and there is only one living God.
So then, Muslims are you afraid of Starjade's Sura 482 Challenge. I advise that you go seek the advice off an Islamic scholar or your Imam before you dare to take me on. In fact, tell your Imam and Islamic scholars about me and challenge them to come and face me and my God given Revelations. However, do warn them that I am religiously superior to all of them combined and I will certainly eat them, the Koran, and the silly claims of Muhammad for breakfast.
Mr. >D from which mental hospital you came ;D
the page you have given is phishing web site. tempt
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The Links should work. Copy cut and paste them and Type them into your search engine.
The conversations were taking place at Conspiracy Central. But Horseonwheels wanted me to come here and challenge all of you. I reckon that freedom of discussion is not likely on an islamic website and those conversations already have reached their 19 page on Conspiracy central. No Muslim on any web site yet has been able to defend islam or the Koran or the claims of Muhammad from my Revelations. I ask that you bring along all of your islamic scholars and all your imams and your islamic leaders and make sure they know what has been said here and is being said elswhere by the much loved Deuteronomy Doomsday prophet Starjade.
Warn them I am not a Novice and Muslims goaded me to challenge islam and on that very day over 1000 Muslims bit the Dust powerless against my religious Revelations. The Sura 482 of the Koran admits that if any errors are found in the Koran then that is the proof that the Koran does not come from God. That fact alone also shows that Muhammad has been decieving you all and is a fraud. Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 onwards law already established Muhammad as being a fraud thousands of years ago. You need two or three witnesses to prove a thing to be true. You Muslims cannot ignore Deuteronomy law because that law was brought down by Moses from the Living God himself and is therefore the actual word of the Living god.
We all know Muhammad has no witnesses for his claims.
http//www.geocities.com/end_of_times/
http//conspiracycentral.info/index.php?act=SF&s=&f=18 Religion and occult.
By the way in case you do not know the word occult means that which is hidden.
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Well hello there everyone.
Well hello there.
My name is Starjade I am the Deuteronomy Doomsday prophet Starjade.
Nice to meet you Starjade, Deuteronomy Prophet eh? Er, we'll discuss that a little later, right now we'll deal with what you came on the forum for.
As he would not come here to invite you to help those Muslims on that web site I have come here to issue the Sura 482 challenge and invite you to take part in those conversations if you dare.
Ok then, I pluck up the courage to converse about this issue with you.
Be wary now for I am not a novice and to this day no Muslim has been able to defend the Koran or the claims of Muhammad from my God given Revelations
Don't worry, I have been sufficiently warned by you, I shall be weary. &
So let's start shall we? We need to clear some things up first
http//conspiracycentral.info/index.php?showtopic=14194&view=getnewpost
Your link's broke.
There is a law in the religion of Islam that says if you know something that is not true then you must be unafraid, stand up, and state it.
Please source this law.
I am invoking this Islamic law to open up serious religious discussions and Revelations with Muslims.
If you are invoking Islamic law, then if someone proves you wrong does that mean you will abide by it's judgements?
The facts are that if just one error exists in the Koran then that is proof that the Koran does not come from God.
Well according to what you've just said, the facts don't state that.
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Sura 482 of the Koran says; Do they not consider the Koran with care for if it had come from any other than Allah then surely they would have found much discrepancy therein.
Please take the time to read what you're posting in order that you may stop contradicting yourself, the verse says that if it isn't from God then surely they would find much discrepancy therein, you will need to elaborate on your claim of
The facts are that if just one error exists in the Koran then that is proof that the Koran does not come from God.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I disagree with you, you just need to backup your claims, that's all.
Of course it is known by history and many religious scholars that the god that Muhammad gave his worship to was in fact Hubal al'ilah, a pagan moon god worshipped throughout the middle east and Hubal al?ilah goes by many names one of them being that of Sin. The origin of to worship in Sin.
Please back this up with facts.
However, the reference in the Sura 482 of the Koran when it mentions Allah was obviously meant to mean the living God of Abraham and of Moses. The reason why that must be so is because the name Allah means the Supreme God and it is well known that there is only one true Living God and that is the Living God of Abraham and of Moses.
The pretence of Islam in today?s world is that Muslims are now giving worship to that living God of Moses. When in fact they hide the truth and give their worship to Hubal al?ilah the false pagan moon god. Worshipping in Sin.
These two paragraphs contradict your previous claim.
In reply to the Muslim who challenged me with the Sura 482. I wrote out 21 errors that exist in the Koran that to this day stand undisputed. A link to those 21 errors in the Koran is linked below.
Well Starjade, quite conveniently (or unconveniently depending on how you look at it) your second link does not work
http//www.geocities.com/end_of_times/surahfoureighthytwo.ht
Oh but wait, it does! You seemed to have put a rather bizarre space between ht and ml! I wonder why that is? How bizarre! confused
When those Muslims goaded me to challenge Islam with my Revelations, I accepted that challenge however, I challenged the whole of Islam and not just a few and the Islamic law I have invoked states you will have to reject the Koran and the claims of Muhammad. If you do not then what kind of Muslim does that make you.? I say it would make you a Kuffar shirking idolizer of a false prophet who was presumptuous to think he could speak in Gods name. That then makes you all guilty of blasphemy and that something detestable in the eyes of the Living God.
Starjade may I humbly offer some advice? Instead of insulting people, why don't you please elaborate, what is the true religion and who are it's true followers?
You're throwing some BIG accusations around Starjade. Some BIG accusations.
Be very wary now for many religious scholars have come before you trying to dispute the Revelations I have given and the many errors that exist in the Koran and the word of Muhammad in a futile attempt to defend Islam. Every one of them has bitten the Dust. I am not a Novice and I suggest you go tell your imams and Islamic scholars what I have said here and dare them to come online to face me.
As I said, I shall be wary, but please, where are the records and proof of these so many religious scholars who have been proven wrong by you? Please provide us with links to your arguments for the sake of your own reputation.
Be aware that when I speak of the Living God. I am speaking of the Living White Sphere that lives beyond the Veil of the Abyss in deep space, and there is only one living God.
Ok, we'll converse this whole Qur'an discrepancy thing, then after that I am very interested to hear more about the Living White Sphere that lives beyond the Veil of the Abyss in deep space and all your other beliefs.
are you afraid of Starjade's Sura 482 Challenge.
I personally am not afraid, to me this is not a ego contest, I will welcome any enlightnement I can gain from conversing, debating and rationalising with others on this forum. Unfortunately from the way you're posting it looks like this is one big ego contest.
So no Starjade - I am not afraid.
I advise that you go seek the advice off an Islamic scholar or your Imam before you dare to take me on.
Unfortunately I do not have access to an Islamic scholar or my Imam in time for me to 'dare to take you on' you're confusing me now as the original invitation was to converse, so I take it this is an ego contest?
However, do warn them that I am religiously superior to all of them combined and I will certainly eat them, the Koran, and the silly claims of Muhammad for breakfast.
Ok - will do. &
I'm going to read your working links with interest, in the meantime, could you please respond to my post.
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LOL.
By the way, messengers don't usually hide behind online nicknames
So, go outside, proclaim your prophethood as you wish, and let the men in white coats deal with it.
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Please take the time to read what you're posting in order that you may stop contradicting yourself, the verse says that if it isn't from God then surely they would find much discrepancy therein, you will need to elaborate on your claim of
I do find much discrepancy. I think it says the earth is flat, the sky is a physical covering or canopy, the sun orbits the earth and meteors are thrown at things or fired at things. To me, a 21st century person, this is much discrepancy, just like it says one will find. Muhammad just didn't realize it back then. After all, how could he? Who would have ever guessed the true nature of meteorites as dust and debris? I wouldn't have. It's totally counter to what the naked eye tells us. Who would have guessed that the flames supposedly shooting across the sky were not a sign of the protection of the lowest heaven, as the Quran clearly says, but rather are actually a sign of the protection of the earth? But that's what it is. And yet the Quran got this backwards as most people's intuition and naked eye would as well. Allah had a 7th century understanding of the cosmos. Clearly.
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Peace DDS
You may understand meaning of Islam and Muslims. You falsely consider Mohammedans (shia and Sunnis)
Correct your article using Islam ( submission to God Alone 319) then I would consider to listen to your 500 claims using cyber id as prophet ???
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Well hello there everyone.Al-Quraishi you said; Well hello there.
Starjade says; hello again Al-Quraishi. I have saved your post to disc as my computer Time is running out. I will read and reply to all of it please have patience.
My name is Starjade I am the Deuteronomy Doomsday prophet Starjade.
Al-Quraishi you said; Nice to meet you Starjade, Deuteronomy Prophet eh? Er, we'll discuss that a little later, right now we'll deal with what you came on the forum for.
Starjade says; Well we shall see? Yes Deuteronomy Chapter 18 verses 15/18 Doomsday prophet. That very specific Deuteronomy Prophet that the living God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews. I do not doubt you find that hard to believe but it can and already has been established by the law of Deuteronomy chapter 19 verses 15 onwards. The evidence. http//www.geocities.com/end_of_times/chaptertwo.htm
By the way all those links worked on this forum when I tried them. So I know they work. Sometimes the web site can get overloaded and gives a non display thingy. Try again in about 1 hour if that happens. OK.
Starjade says; Oh goody you want to challenge my claim to being that Deuteronomy Prophet. Wonderful. I love chatting about that fact. Be wary though for unbelievable as it sounds I am genuine. I have left a link above to show the evidence in according with Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 law. And I am also a part of this equation.
I am writing a Sura 482 challenge on conspiracy central. The challenge is 20 pages long already. The Muslims there do not respect Islamic law or the Sura 482 of the Koran. This web site got a mention so I asked Horseonewheels to come and invite all you Muslims to come to conspiracy central and attempt to defend the Koran and the silly claims of Muhammad from my God given revelations.
He thought you were all the ones for that task. I say it is impossible for any muslim on this planet to defend the Koran or the silly claims of Muhammad from my Revelations that already have proven that the Koran does not come from God and that Muhammad is a liar and a fraud and presumptuous to think he could speak in Gods name. I left a link so you can find the Sura 482 challenge in the religion and occult section. I invite all your Islamic scholars and imams and Islamic leaders to come and give your accounts and attempt to defend the Koran and the silly claims of Muhammad from this Sura 4 82 challenge.Horseonwheels said you can but would not come here to invite the followers of islam into those conversations. So I came here in person to issue the Sura; 4-82 challenge to you personally. Already those Sura 482 conversations are in full swing and as usual islam and the Koran and the silly claims of Muhammad have bitten the Dust. So why not come to Conspiracy central and shows me what you all have got.
Conspiracy Central.
http//conspiracycentral.info/index.php?showtopic=14194&view=getnewpostStarjade Quote
As he would not come here to invite you to help those Muslims on that web site I have come here to issue the Sura 482 challenge and invite you to take part in those conversations if you dare.Al-Quraishi you said; Ok then, I pluck up the courage to converse about this issue with you.
Starjade laughs; be wary now I am not a novice and many have come before you so very many and they were also Islamic experts. They all bit the Dust. Come to Conspiracy Central and read what you will have to face before you count your chickens. I am most formidable.
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Be wary now for I am not a novice and to this day no Muslim has been able to defend the Koran or the claims of Muhammad from my God given RevelationsAl-Quraishi you said; Don't worry, I have been sufficiently warned by you, I shall be weary.
Starjade says; I think you mean wary but will become weary.
Al-Quraishi you said; So let's start shall we? We need to clear some things up first Quote http//conspiracycentral.info/index.php?showtopic=14194&view=getnewpost
Your link's broke.Starjade says; I have re linked you. You will have to register. Its only takes a minute then searth the forum for religion and occult. Those links worked already with me. But yesterday they did have a glitch on their computer when I returned to it after posting here. It has since cleared. http//conspiracycentral.info/index.php?showtopic=14194&view=getnewpost
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There is a law in the religion of Islam that says if you know something that is not true then you must be unafraid, stand up, and state it.Al-Quraishi you said; Please source this law.
Starjade says; This is a law that has been quoted to me by Islamic experts. Several different Muslims have quoted that law to me in the early days of my learning about the religion of islam. The law is genuine and you would have to go ask your imam for its source. The Muslims who goaded me to challenge islam with my revelations asked if I would object to only speaking of the religion of Islam under that Islamic law. So we all agreed. The matter would then be discussed and whatever is found to be false must be rejected as being false and whatever is found to be true must be accepted as being true.
You do realise then if you take on this challenge you would and should have to reject the Koran and the claims of Muhammad. Neither came from nor were they sent from God and this is a fact that is already proven. My computer Time is ending. So I shall have to reply to the rest of what you have said on another day. Meanwhile on conspiracy central I have said a whole lot more. Please do read all 20 pages to catch up on what has been said. Then reply if you dare and if you can. Take care Byeee (pop) gone?
P.S. Love the collection of smilies.
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Starjade says; This is a law that has been quoted to me by Islamic experts. Several different Muslims have quoted that law to me in the early days of my learning about the religion of islam. The law is genuine and you would have to go ask your imam for its source. The Muslims who goaded me to challenge islam with my revelations asked if I would object to only speaking of the religion of Islam under that Islamic law. So we all agreed. The matter would then be discussed and whatever is found to be false must be rejected as being false and whatever is found to be true must be accepted as being true.
You do realise then if you take on this challenge you would and should have to reject the Koran and the claims of Muhammad. Neither came from nor were they sent from God and this is a fact that is already proven. My computer Time is ending. So I shall have to reply to the rest of what you have said on another day. Meanwhile on conspiracy central I have said a whole lot more. Please do read all 20 pages to catch up on what has been said. Then reply if you dare and if you can. Take care Byeee (pop) gone?
P.S. Love the collection of smilies.
Your claims and challenges are mere bluff and you need a head doctor
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This is a law that has been quoted to me by Islamic experts. Several different Muslims have quoted that law to me in the early days of my learning about the religion of islam. The law is genuine and you would have to go ask your imam for its source.
Imams decide the laws lol. Have fun Quraishi, don't say we didn't warn you!
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I have yet to see any INTERNAL contradictions with the quran. The quran contradicting the bible does not mean the quran is contradictory. Sorry
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I do find much discrepancy. I think it says the earth is flat, the sky is a physical covering or canopy, the sun orbits the earth and meteors are thrown at things or fired at things. To me, a 21st century person, this is much discrepancy, just like it says one will find. Muhammad just didn't realize it back then. After all, how could he? Who would have ever guessed the true nature of meteorites as dust and debris? I wouldn't have. It's totally counter to what the naked eye tells us. Who would have guessed that the flames supposedly shooting across the sky were not a sign of the protection of the lowest heaven, as the Quran clearly says, but rather are actually a sign of the protection of the earth? But that's what it is. And yet the Quran got this backwards as most people's intuition and naked eye would as well. Allah had a 7th century understanding of the cosmos. Clearly.
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I do find much discrepancy. I think it says the earth is flat, the sky is a physical covering or canopy, the sun orbits the earth and meteors are thrown at things or fired at things. To me, a 21st century person, this is much discrepancy, just like it says one will find. Muhammad just didn't realize it back then. After all, how could he? Who would have ever guessed the true nature of meteorites as dust and debris? I wouldn't have. It's totally counter to what the naked eye tells us. Who would have guessed that the flames supposedly shooting across the sky were not a sign of the protection of the lowest heaven, as the Quran clearly says, but rather are actually a sign of the protection of the earth? But that's what it is. And yet the Quran got this backwards as most people's intuition and naked eye would as well. Allah had a 7th century understanding of the cosmos. Clearly.
Wow, nice choice of words (bold).
Bring forth verses, with the Arabic, and show us every error you speak of, if you are truthful. In the other thread, it has already been proven that it DOES NOT mean "flat." There is no getting around this. However, instead of openmindedly admitting a mistake, you continue to grasp the straws.
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Wow, nice choice of words (bold).
Bring forth verses, with the Arabic, and show us every error you speak of, if you are truthful. In the other thread, it has already been proven that it DOES NOT mean "flat."
Ummm...no it hasn't yet. Did you see my response? Do you think any old answer constitutes a refutation? I don't think so. Read my response. Just because someone can type words, doesn't mean the point has been answered for as much as you appear to wish it was.
There is no getting around this. However, instead of openmindedly admitting a mistake, you continue to grasp the straws.
What mistake? Be very specific and very clear. So far, it's not there.
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Ummm...no it hasn't yet. Did you see my response? Do you think any old answer constitutes a refutation? I don't think so. Read my response. Just because someone can type words, doesn't mean the point has been answered for as much as you appear to wish it was.
What mistake? Be very specific and very clear. So far, it's not there.
There is no mention of anyhting flat. None. You are only left with manipulation to get the meaning you want.
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Your claims and challenges are mere bluff and you need a head doctor P
Starjade says; I am here challenging the whole of islam and inviting you to bring along all your islamic scholars and imams and your most hard core wanna cut your head of muslims to defend the koran and the claims of Muhammad. It would be foolish of you to think I was bluffing. I can walk the walk and talk the talk and everything I do with regards to religious matters is something I take very seriously. Do not let my sense of humour sway you. I am the challenger of Islam and it is Islam that is always biting the Dust.
It seems you Muslims are not as religious as you claim. Why would you be afraid to back your mouths up on your islamic claims. The Sura 482 is that chance to get things out in the open. One way or another. Either islam is true or it is presumptuous to think it can speak in Gods name.
Now I am prepared to back my mouth up. So what about you. Dont you think your religion is strong enough to stand against just one man. Or do you already realise I am going to eat you all for breakfast. eat rotfl
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Wow, nice choice of words (bold).
Bring forth verses, with the Arabic, and show us every error you speak of, if you are truthful. In the other thread, it has already been proven that it DOES NOT mean "flat." There is no getting around this. However, instead of openmindedly admitting a mistake, you continue to grasp the straws.
Starjade laughs; Oh not the old must be in Arabic ploy. The Koran is not written in pure Arabic and never has been.
There are many foreign words or phrases which are employed in the Qur'an, some of which have no Arabic equivalent, and others which do.
Arthur Jeffrey, in his book Foreign Vocabulary of the , has gathered some 300 pages dealing with foreign words in the Qur'an, many of which must have been used in pre-Qur'anic Arabic, but quite a number also which must have been used little or not at all before they were included in the Qur'an. One must wonder why these words were borrowed, as it puts doubt on whether "Allah's language" is sufficient enough to explain and reveal all that Allah had intended. Some of the foreign words include
a. Pharaoh an Egyptian word which means king or potentate, which is repeated in the Qur'an 84 times.
b. Adam and Eden Accadian words which are repeated 24 times. A more correct term for "Adam" in Arabic would be basharan or insan, meaning "mankind." "Eden" would be the word janna in Arabic, which means "garden."
c. Abraham (sometimes recorded as Ibrahim) comes from the Assyrian language. The correct Arabic equivalent would be Abu Raheem.
d. Persian words
i. Haroot and Maroot are Persian names for angels.
ii. Sirat meaning "the path" has the Arabic equivalent, Altareeq.
iii. Hoor meaning "disciple" has the Arabic equivalent, Tilmeeth.
iv. Jinn meaning "good or evil demons" has the Arabic equivalent, Ruh. v.Firdaus meaning "the highest or seventh heaven" has the Arabic equivalent, Jannah.e. Syriac words Taboot, Taghouth, Zakat, Malakout are all Syriac words which have been borrowed and included in the 'Arabic' Qur'an.
f. Hebrew words Heber, Sakinah, Maoon, Taurat, Jehannim, Tufan (deluge) are all Hebrew words which have been borrowed and included in the 'Arabic' Qur'an.
g. Greek words Injil, which means "gospel" was borrowed, yet it has the Arabic equivalent, Bisharah. Iblis is not Arabic, but a corruption of the Greek word Diabolos.
h. Christian Aramaic Qiyama is the Aramaic word for resurrection.
i. Christian Ethiopic Malak (233) is the Ethiopic word for angel.Starjade says; Muhammad believed the earth was flat and the sun set in a pool of muddy water. The question is do you Muslims believe Muhammad was right.