Starjade Sura 4:82 challenges the whole of Islam.
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Did you not notice how my superior religious knowledge just shines on through
It's very hard to notice something that hasn't been demonstrated yet.
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Starjade says I am not a Christian and yes Christians are seeing the light after they read my Revelations.
Good.
Starjade says; The claims of Muhammad are taken from the Old Testament. Most of the Koranic statements are about the Old and New Testament tales but re writ into Muhammad?s own views and words invalidating it as scripture.
Prophet Muhammed did not copy anything. Some stories are similar but that's because the three religions came from one God.
Starjade says; Nobody is making any Joke I am serious about all of my statements. And I do not see anyone laughing. You are trying to defend the Koran from the Revelations of a Prophet from the Living God. Established as being such a prophet by Deuteronomy law. What is worse is that I am that long awaited Deuteronomy Chapter 18 verses 15/18 Prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews.
That in case you do not realise is the very prophet that both Jesus and Muhammad are claiming themselves to being without any evidence to support those claims. And I have Christianity and Islam by the short and curlies with my God given Revelations.
Also remind yourself after you grasp that Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 onwards law can establish who I am by that religious law that is the word of the Living God.
That the Living God only promised to raise up only one Prophet in the midst of those Jews. Did you not notice how my superior religious knowledge just shines on through. Eventually you will all see the light. Or be stoned to death in apocalyptic earthquakes.
What are your signs of prophethood? Any miracles? How many follow you? You are a joke, you really cannot be serious.
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It's very hard to notice something that hasn't been demonstrated yet.
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Starjade says Oh come now OPF you Muslims here are already shirking the Sura 482 challenge and avoiding those errors that I mention exist in the Koran.
Glib replies just show what your charactor is. A real Muslim would have attempted to defend their religion or held a religious discussion with me. And the likes of you come on with one liners. Do you think that makes you important in the eyes of the congregations. Does it make you feel they will embrace you as their pal and free you from that lonely world you live in.?
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Starjade says I am not a Christian and yes Christians are seeing the light after they read my Revelations.Peaceful Mind you say; Good.
Starjade says; Yeah and Muslims are getting the point as well.
Starjade says; The claims of Muhammad are taken from the Old Testament. Most of the Koranic statements are about the Old and New Testament tales but re writ into Muhammad?s own views and words invalidating it as scripture.
Peaceful Mind Prophet Muhammad did not copy anything. Some stories are similar but that's because the three religions came from one God.
Starjade says; Of course he stole his ideas and re wrote the text of the Old Testament and the New. That is obvious. The three religions are not the same the Christians believe Jesus is that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews. The Muslims think Muhammad is that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews. And the Jews already know that I have arrived. And that includes the Ishmaelite.
What is more the Jews claim they worship the Living God the Christians worship Jesus and the Muslims worship the Moon and Muhammad. I do not thing they follow the same God but the Muslims certainly do not follow the Living God.
Starjade says; Nobody is making any Joke I am serious about all of my statements. And I do not see anyone laughing. You are trying to defend the Koran from the Revelations of a Prophet from the Living God. Established as being such a prophet by Deuteronomy law. What is worse is that I am that long awaited Deuteronomy Chapter 18 verses 15/18 Prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews.
That in case you do not realise is the very prophet that both Jesus and Muhammad are claiming themselves to being without any evidence to support those claims. And I have Christianity and Islam by the short and curlies with my God given Revelations.
Also remind yourself after you grasp that Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 onwards law can establish who I am by that religious law that is the word of the Living God.
That the Living God only promised to raise up only one Prophet in the midst of those Jews. Did you not notice how my superior religious knowledge just shines on through. Eventually you will all see the light. Or be stoned to death in apocalyptic earthquakes.
Peaceful Mind What are your signs of prophethood? Any miracles? How many follow you? You are a joke, you really cannot be serious.
Starjade says; Seeing as you asked here are the many Prophesied signs in the heavens and trust me there are more I have not mentioned. http//www.geocities.com/end_of_times/chapterfour.htm
Then there is details of a Miracle I have already had a hand in right here on earth. http//www.geocities.com/end_of_times/chaptertwo.htm
It is only the Living God who has followers. I am simply the Living Gods Prophet. As for who should be following me. That is all the descendants of Abraham and some Alien residents.
Remind yourself Kuffar Peaceful Mind that already I have challenged islam and shown many errors and discrepancies that exist in the Koran. Be certain religion is not some game I play. However if you as a Muslim cannot defend the Koran then it is you who will seen as a Joke of sorts. rotfl
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Starjade says; As a matter of fact I said she was brought up as a Muslim but then converted to Christianity. So she started as a Muslim ended up as a Christian and very confused after chatting with me.
Peaceful mind you said; I do not have to believe in your story. And she does not really sound like a knowledgeable scholar from your posts.
Starjade says; You may believe what you want but if it is proven to be true then it is true no matter what you believe. Iris is very knowledgeable. Again however there is that contradiction because of the matter of Jesus. Her faith certainly got shattered by my Revelations.
We are all scholars in some way shape or forum. Iris is an expert on the religions on this Planet. She can certainly write. Do not be misled by these few short conversations. Some of my replies can be over 30 ft long. On to a Muslim called saladinj as I like to call him, i took me three days to reply to. Its on the End of Times web site if you want a view in my conversations with the Muslims.
Peaceful mind you said; It took you three days to write a reply?
Starjade says; Sometimes I have to bring evidence to the table and that can tax my Time. On another forum in the arguments of who adopted Moses the wife of the Pharaoh as it says in the Koran or the Daughter of the Pharaoh as it said in the Old Testament. That took about a week as I had then to study Egyptian history to find out the truth. The Koran was of course wrong it was the daughter of the Pharaoh who adopted Moses not the wife.
I hereby name this as yet another error found in the Koran regarding the Korans version of the adoption of Moses by as the Koran says the Pharaoh's wife (in sura 289). This story contradicts the Biblical Exodus 210 version, which states that it was Pharaoh's daughter who adopted Moses.
Let me explain these things to you as the list of errors found in the Koran accumulates beyond your ability to give any accounts.
Egyptian history proves the error exists in the Koran. The Daughter of the pharaoh Thutmoses 1 /Amenhotep 1 was Nefure Hatshepsut she was not married when she adopted Moses. She only became married when Moses killed the Egyptian and fled Egypt. Had Nefure Hatshepsut not married then the ruling Crown would have been passed onto another family. That is another error I have also named as existing in the Koran. However, the term Pharaoh is a Title and Thutmoses 1 /Amenhotep 1. was called Pharaoh but was only a co regent to Pharaoh Ahmosis who lived in Thebes in Memphis. The Pharaoh Ahmosis was the main ruler of Egypt and so Thutmoses 1 /Amenhotep 1. would only be the main ruling Pharaoh after the death of the Pharaoh Ahmosis.
Nefure was the only surviving daughter of Thutmoses 1 / Amenhotep 1. Nefure she convinced her father to make her little adopted child Moses his future heir. So Moses was set up to become the future King of all Egypt. Moses became known as Senmut which means mothers brother. It is a named derived from the tale of Osiris and Horus but I will not be talking about that. Historians studies show that Moses came to live in the palace at about 12 years Old about the same Time that his adopted Grandfather Thutmoses 1 / Amenhotep 1. Became main emperor over the whole of Egypt. At this Time they had moved from the palace at Memphis where the Co regent ruled and went to Thebes where the main Palace was.
At about the age of 18 Moses was designated the future heir apparent with his mother Nefure as his regent. She was now given the additional royal name of ?Hatshepsut? and was then referred to as Queen instead of princess. Once someone was designated as the future heir to the throne his inscriptions refer to him as ?King?. Moses was elevated to this position of heir apparent when he was 24 years old. When Moses became about 33 years old he was designated as being the Crown Prince and became known as Thutmoses 11. The numbers after the Egyptian Kings names are simply designations given to them by Egyptologists to identify each succeeding person of the same name. When Moses was 40 he killed an Egyptian and so as history claims Moses had to flee Egypt.
To prevent the loss of the Crown to another family Thutmoses 1 / Amenhotep 1. Who clearly was still alive otherwise Moses would have been crowned King Pharaoh. Thutmoses 1 / Amenhotep 1. married his daughter off to her younger half brother Thutmose who became called Thutmose the 11 and that was how Nefure Hatshepsut became married. So Egyptian history does prove the Koran is in error.
Starjade concludes. I had to wade through staggering amounts of Egyptian history to find the truth and it took me ages of studying Egyptian text. You see the Muslim argued was it possible that the daughter was also married to a pharaoh hence she could be the wife as it says in the Koran and the daughter as it says in the Old Testament. However, upon diligent inquisition it was found that Nefure Hatshepsut was not married at the Time she adopted Moses. You see I do look things up to be sure of what is true against what is not. The Koran was in error.Do you Muslims and others note the lists of errors I name in the Koran and the beliefs of Muhammad are continually rising.
Angelina Jolie isn?t all that. Bit on the tubby side if you ask me. Does that mean you are off to bed to dream the dreams.
Peaceful mind you said; No, I do not hold her in any regard, but she is more famous than your minister, is not she?
Starjade laughs so now she is not going to be in your dreams eh? Being stood up in a dream is an ego shatterer. In Cyberspace iris is very well known. One could consider her in religious debates she is a predator with issues. rotfl muscle
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Starjade says; Oh I only showed a few contradictions as it was claimed there are none. Clearly there are. Why not examine the 21 errors in the Koran I have given links to. Then we shall see how clever you are.
http//www.geocities.com/end_of_times/surahfoureighthytwo.html
If you want conversations with a Christian Scholar who is also an expert on Islam and the Koran i can invite her here. She would be the Christian Minister iris. her religious knowledge would stagger you. Are you sure you want me to invite her to come and chat with you? Be warned she can and will eat you for breakfast.
Navid you said; I have read those. None of them are internal contradictions within the quran. Nice try, though. And here I was thinking that you 'weren't a novice'
Starjade says; I am happy that you took Time out to read the 21 errors in the Koran by Starjade. Oh come now you are being rather nieve. Those 21 errors found in the Koran are really much more than 21 errors. I just tried to compact them. This matter of jesus for instance. Jesus is mentioned in 11 Chapters of the Koran. Why is that? Jesus claimed that he was the Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews.
So 11 Chapters of the Koran glorify Jesus as being that Prophet that Jesus has claimed himself to being. And Muhammad believed that Jesus was who Jesus claimed himself to being. But Muhammad did not know Jesus claimed he was that Deuteronomy Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews.
Now those facts reflect upon the whole of the Koran especially with the matter of the Sura 482 stating if errors are found in the Koran then that is the proof that the Koran does not come from God.
In the first instance jesus is established as being a Fraud by Deuteronomy law. When diligently examined the so called testimonies of Mathew Luke Mark and John are hearsay statements. They were not a witness to the many things they proclaim. Especially the birth of Jesus. Hearsay is not fact. Deuteronomy law already established Jesus as being a fraud.
So the Koran stands against Gods law and Gods word on that matter. Then this matter of the Koran speaking as if Jesus is genuine and the prophet of god Jesus claims to be is also reflecting badly on the Korans internal statements showing the Koran is not true.
The reason why as every Muslim here knows is because the very Prophet that Muhammad has proclaimed himself to being is that Deuteronomy Prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews. That is why they call Muhammad the Prophet to the Nation. You see that long awaited Deuteronomy Prophet is the leader and King of the Jews after Moses as Gods representative here on earth.
But Muhammad cannot proclaim that he is that Deuteronomy Prophet whiles he and 11 Chapters of the Koran promote Jesus as being the Prophet that Jesus claims himself to be because Jesus was claiming the he was that Deuteronomy Prophet over 1000 years before Muhammad was even born. That reflects very badly on the internal structure of the Koran and in the religious beliefs of Muhammad.
The problem is that Muhammad did not know which Prophet it was that Jesus had proclaimed himself as being. Muhammad had several Christian wives and relatives and Christians always blasphemously yackle on about Jesus being the son of god. So they did not point out to Muhammad the reason they call Jesus the King of the Jews is because Jesus claims that he is the Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the jews. Hence Muhammad unwittingly exposed himself to deceptions by proclaiming that he alone is that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up in the Midst of the Jews.
As many Muslims here know that Muhammad has claimed he is that Prophet Moses spoke about then they can see the error of the 11 Chapters of the Koran glorifying Jesus as being the Prophet Jesus proclaimed himself as being because they all believe because of Muhammad that Muhammad is that very Prophet. To this day on many forums Muslims argue over this from thy brethren thingy to point out Ishmael was of their brethren and Muhammad is a descendant of Ishmael. They do this to show to the Israelites that is it Muhammad who is that Prophet to the denial of the Israelites. Now how can you delude yourself that these matters are not a reflection or internal contradictions of the Koran that promotes Muhammad as being the very same prophet that Jesus has already claimed he is. Use some common sense.
Oh and do not forget that I am mentioned in those 21 errors found in the Koran as I am also a part of the equation that shows both Jesus and Muhammad are frauds.
Navid you said; Sure, if she actually knows of some internal contradictions within the quran, by all means bring her here. Eat me for breakfast? Hmm true words of a prophet.
Starjade laughs. Consider the invitation sent at my next visit to cyberspace. Iris is also well versed in the errors in the Koran and on Islamic history. Being an expert on Christianity, she can also give you insight into who the Christians see Jesus as being. I shall try hard not to cause her teeth to gnash on the issue of Jesus as I stand against all false Prophets as they are something detestable in the eyes of the living God as well as being presumptuous to think they could speak in Gods name.
Her Christian point of view will show you that Christians believe Jesus is that long awaited Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews. Whiles you Muslims all believe that Muhammad is that long awaited Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews.
Whiles all along the much loved Deuteronomy Doomsday Prophet Starjade is the only one amongst this entire planet of false prophets who can be established by Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 law to be that very specific Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews. Now that could be most interesting.
Oh you do realise that I was first born in the Blackpool of Lancashire in the midst of all kinds of Jews don?t you. So I also grew up in the midst of the Jews. So that is also an interesting point that has also shattered the minds of religious scholars world wide who argue over this from thy brethren thingy. The Living God did not say he would raise up a Jew. He only said in the midst of the Jews and the Jews here in Blackpool are Ishmaelite and Israelite who are the brethren of all other Jews who ever lived.
Do not forget in your distant arguments that I have already been established by the actual word of the Living God by Deuteronomy chapter 19 verses 15 law. And by the many signs in the heavens and by my own acts and deeds to being that long awaited Prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews. Therefore, in those arguments I shall be laughing so hard that my nose goo will be splattering across my computer screen.
I can see my breakfast is being made as we speak. Too bad the only thing the rest of you will be eating is Dust. eat rotfl bravo
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...Still waiting for the contradictions...
It's threads like these that actually strengthen my faith in the quran. Starjade goes on and on about how showing even ONE contradiction will invalidate the quran; true. Yet, he cannot even do this simple task, cannot present a single contradiction. So I thank you, Starjade.
If your friend Iris knows of any contradictions, bring her here immediately, because you obviously do not.
P.S. Lay off the shrooms bro
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I personally think this starjade guy is suffering from some kind of mental disorder. -[
Not one INTERNAL contradiction of the quran has been represented YET.
Instead of promoting your site why not post a topic on here starting with your "supposed" contradiction of the quran and then we can discuss further.
By the way using bible or any other source which isn't based on logic and reasoning would be illogical to refute contradictions within the Quran because then any mad man can make up a theory or pull history out of his ass and use it to make up a contradiction....it doesn't work like that starjade.
Take time to study the subject your refuting and then bring an argument instead of blabbing nonsense history and circular arguments.
PEACE
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Navid you said; ...Still waiting for the contradictions...
Starjade says I have already shown many errors in the Koran and in the belief of Muhammad right here. Others exist on conspiracy central where I invited you all to jopin to defend the Koran and the claims of Muhammad. Of course I see you are rather limited in religious knowledge as is apparent by your shirking of the errors found in the Koran right here on this forum.
http//conspiracycentral.info/index.php?showtopic=14194&view=getnewpost
Navid you said; It's threads like these that actually strengthen my faith in the quran. Starjade goes on and on about how showing even ONE contradiction will invalidate the quran; true. Yet, he cannot even do this simple task, cannot present a single contradiction. So I thank you, Starjade.
Starjade says; The matter of Jesus being glorified in 11 Chapters of the Koran to being the Prophet that Jesus has proclaimed himself as being is a big contradiction in the Koran that is built to promote Muhammad as being the very Prophet that Muhammad and the Koran believe Jesus to be. Of course you avoid that controversy don?t you.
Navid you said; If your friend Iris knows of any contradictions, bring her here immediately, because you obviously do not. P.S. Lay off the shrooms bro
Starjade says; yes iris is well schooled in the errors found in the Koran. I have left her a message on her web site. That web site also has the Sura 482 challenge on it. And as per usual Muslims are too afraid to give accounts or defend the Koran from my Revelations.
As you beg me to display some more errors and contradictions in the Koran for you hahahah to explain away then here is a few. Enjoy. Now you have no excuses if you shirk we will see you shirk. If you deny we will see you deny. Be wary what you wish for. Oh and do not think for a minute I am going to forget those 11 Chapters of the Koran glorifying Jesus as being the Prophet Jesus claimed himself to being especially as I see you ignore those errors in the Koran and beliefs of Muhammad. You cannot shirk away that easily. On those 11 Chapters of the Koran glorifying Jesus as being the Prophet jesus claimed himself as being be sure I am going to have the Koran and Muhammad and his foolish followers for breakfast. eat rotfl
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As you beg me to display some more errors and contradictions in the Koran for you hahahah to explain away then here is a few. Enjoy. Now you have no excuses if you shirk we will see you shirk. If you deny we will see you deny. Be wary what you wish for. Oh and do not think for a minute I am going to forget those 11 Chapters of the Koran glorifying Jesus as being the Prophet Jesus claimed himself to being especially as I see you ignore those errors in the Koran and beliefs of Muhammad. You cannot shirk away that easily.
I1i Moses
The first concerns the adoption of Moses by Pharaoh's wife (in sura 289). This story contradicts the Biblical Exodus 210 version, which states that it was Pharaoh's daughter who adopted Moses. It is important to note here that had Pharaoh's wife adopted Moses, he would have consequently been adopted by Pharaoh himself, making him heir to the throne. This fact alone makes the subsequent story of Moses's capture and exile rather incredulous.I1ii Yahya
According to the Qur'an, no-one bore the name of Yahya before John the Baptist (sura 197). Yet, we find that name mentioned in the Old Testament (2 Kings 2523) implying that it was a well known name hundreds of years before the writing of the Qur'an.It is interesting to note that Yusuf Ali, in his translation of sura 197 tries to circumvent this problem by translating this aya as, "on no-one by that name have We conferred distinction before." Yet, the word 'distinction' does not appear in the Arabic at all. Is a translator permitted to change a text like this to correct an error? Obviously not! Ali is playing a dangerous game here. Is it no wonder, then, that Muslims refer to all English translations as simply interpretations. In his note (no.2461) Ali attempts to explain the problem by assuming that "Allah had, for the first time, called one of His elect by that name." It would have been better had he left the text stand as it was written.
I1iii Trinity
The Qur'an completely misrepresents the doctrine of the Trinity. The author of sura 5116 mistakenly thought that Christians worshipped three gods the Father, the Mother (Mary), and the Son (Jesus). But Christians don't worship this doctrine of the Trinity at all! There was a heretical sect of Christianity called the Choloridians, who had a concept of the Trinity which included Mary, who would have been in Arabia during the time of Muhammad. They are possibly the source for this obvious error.Another error is also found in sura 573-75, where the Qur'an says, "They do blaspheme who say Allah is one of three..." Obviously the accusation is against Christians, yet Christians do not believe God is one of three! We believe that God is one. Yusuf Ali does a grave injustice in his translation by adding the phrase, "Allah is one of three in a trinity." The words "in a trinity" do not exist in the Arabic text! Ali puts it into his translation in an attempt to avoid the rather obvious mistake that Christians believe in three gods.
I1iv Ezra
The Qur'an in sura 572 makes the mistake of claiming that the Jews believed that Ezra was the Son of God, the Messiah, just as Christians claim for Jesus. Nothing could be further from the truth.I2 Internal Contradictions Which Point to Errors
Some errors point to internal contradictions within the Qur'an itself. I have dealt with these in another paper as well, and so will only list them here to jog your memory.I2i Mary & Imran
One of the best known errors is that concerning the confusion between Mary, recorded in the Qur'an as the sister of Aaron and the daughter of Imran (Biblical Amran) as well as the mother of Jesus (by implication in suras 1928; 6612; 2025-30), though the two, Mary and Miriam, lived 1,570 years apart.I2ii Haman
Another well known passage is that of Haman. In the Qur'an Haman is referred to as a servant of Pharaoh, who built a high tower to ascend up to the God of Moses (sura 2838; 2938; 4025,3. But the Babel tower occurs 750 years earlier (Genesis 11), and the name Haman is correctly found in the story of Esther in Babylon, 1,100 years after Pharaoh. Yusuf Ali believes that the reference here is simply that of another Haman, yet Haman is not an Egyptian name, but uniquely Babylonian.I3 Errors Which Contradict Secular and Scientific Data
There are other stories in the Qur'an which do not stand up to the secular data which is available. These errors are possibly the most damaging for the credibility of the Qur'an as the perfect 'Word of God' because their veracity can be measured against the test of observable data, which is by definition neutral and binding.I3i Ishmael
The descendence of Ishmael by all Arabs is in doubt within the secular world, since historically the first father of the Arabs was Qahtan or Joktan (see Genesis 1025-30). Some of his sons names are still found in geographical locations in Arabia today, such as Sheba, Hazarmaveth, Ophir, and Havilah. Abraham's nephew Lot would be another ancestor to the Arabs via the Moabites and Ammonites (Genesis 24); as would Jacob's twin brother Esau, and the six sons of Abraham's third wife Keturah. Yet they are not even mentioned as ancestors to the Arabs in the Qur'an.I3ii Samaritan
The Qur'an says that the calf worshipped by the Israelites at mount Horeb was molded by a Samaritan (sura 2085-87, 95-97). Yet the term 'Samaritan' was not coined until 722 B.C., which is several hundred years after the events recorded in Exodus. Thus, the Samaritan people could not have existed during the life of Moses, and therefore, could not have been responsible for molding the calf.It is interesting to notice that while Yusuf Ali attempts to change this word to "Samiri" and Pickthall to "As Samirii," Arberry in the English, and Kasimirski in the French both correctly translate it "Samaritan." Yusuf Ali, in his footnotes, "bends over backwards" to explain his choice by suggesting that the name could mean "Shemer," which denotes a stranger, or "Shomer," which means a watchman, the equivalent of "Samara" in Arabic, which he implies is close enough to the Samari he is looking for. Once again we find an awkward example of Ali attempting to twist the translation in order to get out of a difficult scenario, similar to the examples of "Periklytos," or the word "Machmad" which he uses to signify Muhammad in the Bible. The Arabic simply does not give Ali the leeway to concoct other meanings for this word. To be consistent with the Arabic he should keep his translation consistent with the text, as Arberry and Kasimirski have done.
I3iii Sunset
In sura 1886 it states, "Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water Near it he found a people We said O Dhu al Qarnayn! Either punish them,or treat them with kindness." It is well known that only the superstitious in the age of Muhammad believed that the sun would set in a muddy spring.I3iv Issa
The name for Jesus in the Qur'an is given as "Issa." Yet this is incorrect. Issa is the Arabic equivalent of Esau, the name for the twin brother of Jacob. The correct Arabic name for Jesus would be Yesuwa, similar to the Hebrew Yeshuwa, yet the supposedly "all-knowing" Qur'an has no mention of it.I3v Mountains
Suras 1615; 2131; 3110; 786-7; 8819 tell us that God placed (threw down) mountains on the earth like tent pegs to keep the earth from shaking - after the earth was formed. For pre-scientific man this would sound logical, since mountains are large and therefore, their weight would have seemingly, a stabilizing effect on the earth. Yet we now know this logic to be quite inaccurate. Mountains were not formed and placed on the earth to render the earth's crust stable. In fact, the very existence of mountains is evidence of instability in the earth's crust, as they are found and pushed up by the colliding of tectonic plates (i.e. the migration of Arabia toward Iran has resulted in the Zagros range, France pushing against Italy produced the Alps, and the Indian plate nudging Tibet has given us the Himalayas)And He has cast great mountains in the earth lest it might be convulsed with you, and rivers and roads that you may go aright,
And We have made great mountains in the earth lest it might be convulsed with them, and We have made in it wide ways that they may follow a right direction.
He created the heavens without pillars as you see them, and put mountains upon the earth lest it might convulse with you, and He spread in it animals of every kind; and We sent down water from the cloud, then caused to grow therein (vegetation) of every noble kind.
Have We not made the earth an even expanse?
And the mountains as projections (thereon)? And the mountains, how they are firmly fixed,
I3vi Alexander the Great
In sura 1883-100 we find the story of Dhu al Qarnayn, who is known as the Greek conqueror, Alexander the Great. According to this sura, his power was given to him by Allah (aya 84), which some Muslims contend is an assertion that he had the same prominence as a prophet. But of even more importance to our discussion is the contention, according to this sura, that he was credited with building an enormous wall of iron and brass between two mountains, which was tall enough and wide enough to keep an entire army out (aya 96).It is simple to test these claims because Alexander lived in the full light of history. Arrian, Quintus Curtius and other historians of repute have written the history of Alexander's exploits. From their writings we know that Aristotle was his tutor. Yet, these historians equivocally make him out as a heathen general whose debauchery and drunkenness contributed to his untimely death at the early age of 33. They show that he was an idolater, and actually claimed to be the son of the Egyptian god Amun. How, therefore, could he be considered to have the same prominence as a prophet, or even, as aya 84 clearly asserts, that Allah was the agent for his power?
Yet, what is even more troubling, there is no historical evidence anywhere that he built a wall of iron and brass between two mountains, a feat which, indeed, would have proven him to be one of the greatest builders or engineers in the history of mankind.
When we find the Qur'an so inaccurate in regard to Alexander, whose history is well known, we hesitate to accept as valuable or even as reliable the statements of the Qur'an about other matters of past history.
I3vii Creation
Sura 865-7 tells us that man is created from a gushing fluid that issues from between the loins and the ribs. Therefore, in this sura we find that the semen which creates a child originates from the back or kidney of the male and not the testicles.I3viii Pharaoh's Cross
In sura 7124 we find Pharoah admonishing his sorcerers because they believe in the superiority of Moses's power over theirs. Pharoah threatens them with cutting off their hands and feet on opposite sides, and then says they will all die on the cross. But their were no crosses in those days. Crucifixion was first practised by the Phoenicians and the Carthaginians and then borrowed extensively by the Romans close to the time of Christ, 1700 years after Pharaoh!I3ix Other Scientific problems
a. Sura 1666 mentions that cow's milk comes from between the excrement and the blood of the cow's abdomen. What does this mean?c. sura 638 says that all animals and flying beings form communities, like humans. I would like to ask whether this includes spiders, where in some species the female eats the male after mating has taken place. Is that a community like ours?
d. sura 2545-46 maintains that it is the sun which moves to create shadows. Yet, I have always been taught that it was the rotation of the earth which caused shadows to move, while the sun remained quite still (i.e. thus the importance of sundials in earlier days).
e. sura 171 says Muhammad went to the "farthest Mosque" during his journey by night (the Mi'raj), which Muslims explain was the Dome of the Rock mosque, in Jerusalem. But there was no mosque in Jerusalem during the life of Muhammad, and the Dome of the Rock was not built until 690 C.E., by the Amir 'Abd al Malik, a full 58 years after Muhammad's death! There was not even a temple in existence at that time. The temple of Jerusalem had been destroyed by Titus 570 years before this vision. So what was this mosque Muhammad supposedly saw?
I4 Absurdities
There are other errors which are statements or stories which simply make no sense at all, and put into question the integrity of the writer or writers of the Qur'an.I4i Man's Greatness
Sura 459 states,"Greater surely than the creation of man is the creation of the heavens and the earth; but most men know it not." This implies that greatness is only measured by size; that the mere vastness of the physical universe make it greater than man, an argument which would make a football of immensely greater value than the largest diamond. Our scripture tells us that Man's greatness lies not in his size, but in his relationship with God, that he is made in God's image, a claim which no other animate or inanimate object can make.I4ii Seven Earths
Sura 6512 reads, "It is God who hath created seven heavens and as many earths." We would love to know where the other six earths are. If these refer to the planets in our solar system, then they are short by two (and now possibly three).I4iii Jinns & Shooting stars
Meteors, and even stars are said to be missiles fired at eavesdropping Satans and jinn who seek to listen to the reading of the Qur'an in heaven, and then pass on what they hear to men in suras 376-10; 5533-35; 675; & 726-9.How are we to understand these suras? Can we believe indeed that Allah throws meteors, which are made up of carbon dioxide or iron-nickel, at non- material devils who steal a hearing at the heavenly council? And how do we explain the fact that many of earths meteors come in showers which consequently travel in parallel paths. Are we to thus understand that these parallel paths imply that the devils are all lined up in rows at the same moment?
I4iv Solomon's power over naturea. Birds and ants
King Solomon was taught the speech of birds (sura 2716) and the speech of ants (sura 2718-19). In his battles, he used birds extensively to drop clay bricks on Abrah's army (sura 1053-4), and marched them in military parades (sura 2717). He also used them to bring him messages of powerful queens (sura 2720-27).Note According to the historical record, Abrah's army was not defeated by bricks dropped on their head. Rather, they withdrew their attack on Mecca after smallpox broke out among the troops (Guillame, Islam, pgs.21ff).
b. Jinn
The Jinn were forced to work for Solomon, making him whatever he pleased, such as palaces, statues, large dishes, and brass fountains (sura 3411-13). A malignant jinn was even commissioned to bring the Queen of Sheba's throne in the twinkling of an eye (sura 2738-44).c. Wind
The wind was subject to Solomon, travelling a month's journey both in the morning and in the evening (though the wisdom of its timing is somehow lost in translation) (sura 311; 2181).d. Ants talk
The ants, upon seeing Solomon and his army arriving in their valley (and by implication recognizing who he was), talk among themselves to flee underground so as not to be crushed (sura 271.I4v Youth and dog sleep 309 years
Sura 189-25 tells the story of some youths (the exact number is debated) and a dog who sleep for 309 years with their eyes open and their ears closed (Note Yusuf Ali's attempts to delineate the exact time period of this story in footnote no.2365, and then concludes that it is merely a parable).The object of this story is to show Allah's power to keep those who trust in him, including the dog, without food or water for as long as he likes.
I4vi People become apes
In suras 265-66 and 7163-167, Allah turns certain fishing people who break the Jewish sabbath into apes for their disobedience. Had Darwin read the Qur'an, his theory on evolution may have parallelled "Planet of the Apes" rather then the other way around.I4vii Sodom & Gomorrah turned upside-down
In suras 1181-83; 1574 the two cities of Sodom and Gomorrah are turned upside-down and rained upon with clay-like brimstone, upon whose surface were marked the destiny of the wicked people who lived there.I4viii Jacob's Smell & Sight
In sura 1293-96 Joseph sends his coat to his father as proof of his existence. But as the caravan leaves Egypt, Jacob, who is in Canaan smells Joseph, who is hundreds of miles away (aya 94). Then the coat, when it arrives, is placed over the face of his father Jacob and suddenly he receives his sight. Now we know why Andrew Lloyd Weber added the word "amazing" to the title of his musical, "Joseph's Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat."I4ix Night/Day/Sun/Moon are subject to man
In sura 1612-15 the day and night as well as the Sun and Moon are surprisingly all made subject to man. That would imply that we had control over the rotation of our planet, as well as the entire movement of our solar system (Yusuf Ali's explanation of this odd pronouncement in note no.2031 is rather interesting).
Is this enough or do you want some more. Oh please do not shirk that Thunder and lightening thngy error i mentioned earlier as it would be so funny if you dared a reply.
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your webpage is so brutal
Starjade says; Nah is is simply blunt and to the point. I could have been harsh but instead I was being right nice considering there are those written and displayed who worship false prophets and false gods.
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"To make myself the new prophet, I must the make the old prophets look bad!"
Wow Starjade you had a sentence which didn't start with "Starjade says" A whole post no less...
I1ii Yahya
According to the Qur'an, no-one bore the name of Yahya before John the Baptist (sura 197). Yet, we find that name mentioned in the Old Testament (2 Kings 2523) implying that it was a well known name hundreds of years before the writing of the Qur'an.Foot... meet mouth
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I personally think this starjade guy is suffering from some kind of mental disorder. -[
Not one INTERNAL contradiction of the quran has been represented YET.
Starjade says; I will get back to you my Computer Time is out. Well now twop of you have loads of errors and contradictions to chew over now dont you. And this thread invited you all to another forum where those conversations had already begun into its 20 th page. Pay more attention,
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Starjade says Oh come now OPF you Muslims here are already shirking the Sura 482 challenge and avoiding those errors that I mention exist in the Koran.
Glib replies just show what your charactor is. A real Muslim would have attempted to defend their religion or held a religious discussion with me. And the likes of you come on with one liners. Do you think that makes you important in the eyes of the congregations. Does it make you feel they will embrace you as their pal and free you from that lonely world you live in.?
OPF The Legendary King And Slaughterer of Demonic Beings Who Like the Colour Pink With a Hint Of [email protected] Says Firstly, I am not "you muslims".
Secondly, your knowledge of islam and general things (especially pertaining to reality) is weak. I remember something about a bark being worse than a bite, can it refer to a tree?
Thirdly, I addressed a fraction of your post in another thread or this thread and you failed to respond. That is equal to forfeiting.
But in any case, you, Starjade, the True Doomsday Prophet of The Living God Behind The Veiled Crack have met your match, for I am King Anubis the 32nd Of Zargon V Six Of the Twelfth Dimension, and my religious knowledge far outshines yours.
OPF - TLKASODWLTCPWAHOF, the One Prophesied in 381 will take five contradictions of your ridiculously long list and address them after you respond to the original. OPF must exit his mother's basement now.
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May I join your cult O Greatest Cthulhuesque Entity Of The Deep? I must ask my mother for the use of her attic before I can actually.
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Yeah and Muslims are getting the point as well.
No way!
Starjade says; Of course he stole his ideas and re wrote the text of the Old Testament and the New. That is obvious.
No, he copied nothing. God revealed the Quran to him. The 3 religions have similarites between them because they are coming from the same God.
The three religions are not the same the Christians believe Jesus is that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews. The Muslims think Muhammad is that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews.
We do not believe that God promosed Moses to raise up a prophet in the midst of the "Jews". Muhammed is the last Prophet from God. We do not believe in the authenticity of the so-called Old Testament. Got it?
And the Jews already know that I have arrived. And that includes the Ishmaelite.
The Ishamelite? You really have no clue.
What is more the Jews claim they worship the Living God the Christians worship Jesus and the Muslims worship the Moon and Muhammad. I do not thing they follow the same God but the Muslims certainly do not follow the Living God.
I do not care what others worship ,but we worship the One and Only God ,not the moon or Muhammed.
Starjade says; Seeing as you asked here are the many Prophesied signs in the heavens and trust me there are more I have not mentioned. http//www.geocities.com/end_of_times/chapterfour.htm
Then there is details of a Miracle I have already had a hand in right here on earth. http//www.geocities.com/end_of_times/chaptertwo.htm
Crap. Those are not signs or miracles. I want a Burning Bush, a Walking on Water, or a Night Jouney.
It is only the Living God who has followers. I am simply the Living Gods Prophet. As for who should be following me. That is all the descendants of Abraham and some Alien residents.
Does that include Muslims and Arabs? And who are those Aliens?
Remind yourself Kuffar Peaceful Mind that already I have challenged islam and shown many errors and discrepancies that exist in the Koran. Be certain religion is not some game I play. However if you as a Muslim cannot defend the Koran then it is you who will seen as a Joke of sorts.
You have shown nothing so far.
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Starjade says; You may believe what you want but if it is proven to be true then it is true no matter what you believe. Iris is very knowledgeable. Again however there is that contradiction because of the matter of Jesus. Her faith certainly got shattered by my Revelations.
Nothing has been proven to be true by you. If you shattered her faith then she is by no means knowledgeable.
Starjade says; Sometimes I have to bring evidence to the table and that can tax my Time. On another forum in the arguments of who adopted Moses the wife of the Pharaoh as it says in the Koran or the Daughter of the Pharaoh as it said in the Old Testament. That took about a week as I had then to study Egyptian history to find out the truth. The Koran was of course wrong it was the daughter of the Pharaoh who adopted Moses not the wife.
Do not judge the Quran based on the corrupted claims of the so-called Old Testament.
I hereby name this as yet another error found in the Koran regarding the Korans version of the adoption of Moses by as the Koran says the Pharaoh's wife (in sura 289). This story contradicts the Biblical Exodus 210 version, which states that it was Pharaoh's daughter who adopted Moses.
Let me explain these things to you as the list of errors found in the Koran accumulates beyond your ability to give any accounts.
Egyptian history proves the error exists in the Koran. The Daughter of the pharaoh Thutmoses 1 /Amenhotep 1 was Nefure Hatshepsut she was not married when she adopted Moses. She only became married when Moses killed the Egyptian and fled Egypt. Had Nefure Hatshepsut not married then the ruling Crown would have been passed onto another family. That is another error I have also named as existing in the Koran. However, the term Pharaoh is a Title and Thutmoses 1 /Amenhotep 1. was called Pharaoh but was only a co regent to Pharaoh Ahmosis who lived in Thebes in Memphis. The Pharaoh Ahmosis was the main ruler of Egypt and so Thutmoses 1 /Amenhotep 1. would only be the main ruling Pharaoh after the death of the Pharaoh Ahmosis.
Nefure was the only surviving daughter of Thutmoses 1 / Amenhotep 1. Nefure she convinced her father to make her little adopted child Moses his future heir. So Moses was set up to become the future King of all Egypt. Moses became known as Senmut which means mothers brother. It is a named derived from the tale of Osiris and Horus but I will not be talking about that. Historians studies show that Moses came to live in the palace at about 12 years Old about the same Time that his adopted Grandfather Thutmoses 1 / Amenhotep 1. Became main emperor over the whole of Egypt. At this Time they had moved from the palace at Memphis where the Co regent ruled and went to Thebes where the main Palace was.
At about the age of 18 Moses was designated the future heir apparent with his mother Nefure as his regent. She was now given the additional royal name of ?Hatshepsut? and was then referred to as Queen instead of princess. Once someone was designated as the future heir to the throne his inscriptions refer to him as ?King?. Moses was elevated to this position of heir apparent when he was 24 years old. When Moses became about 33 years old he was designated as being the Crown Prince and became known as Thutmoses 11. The numbers after the Egyptian Kings names are simply designations given to them by Egyptologists to identify each succeeding person of the same name. When Moses was 40 he killed an Egyptian and so as history claims Moses had to flee Egypt.
To prevent the loss of the Crown to another family Thutmoses 1 / Amenhotep 1. Who clearly was still alive otherwise Moses would have been crowned King Pharaoh. Thutmoses 1 / Amenhotep 1. married his daughter off to her younger half brother Thutmose who became called Thutmose the 11 and that was how Nefure Hatshepsut became married. So Egyptian history does prove the Koran is in error.
Starjade concludes. I had to wade through staggering amounts of Egyptian history to find the truth and it took me ages of studying Egyptian text. You see the Muslim argued was it possible that the daughter was also married to a pharaoh hence she could be the wife as it says in the Koran and the daughter as it says in the Old Testament. However, upon diligent inquisition it was found that Nefure Hatshepsut was not married at the Time she adopted Moses. You see I do look things up to be sure of what is true against what is not. The Koran was in error.Thutmoses 1/Amenhotep 1 were'nt/wasn't the Pharaoh of Moses. Historians do not know for sure when the Exodus happened for sure.
Do you Muslims and others note the lists of errors I name in the Koran and the beliefs of Muhammad are continually rising.
I found no errors or contradictions whatsoever.
Starjade laughs so now she is not going to be in your dreams eh? Being stood up in a dream is an ego shatterer.
I seriously do not know what to say here!
In Cyberspace iris is very well known. One could consider her in religious debates she is a predator with issues.
Never heard about her and do not care about her to be honest.
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May I join your cult O Greatest Cthulhuesque Entity Of The Deep? I must ask my mother for the use of her attic before I can actually.
Why, yes you can.
Just kidding, haha, I didn't say "OPF Says", it doesn't count. Funnily enough, I was just having a flick through... http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNCYjBaBAhs
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Hi Starjade,
I don't understand why you keep asking us to go to our Imams and scolars for help!!????
I don't think you have read up about us in this forum.
Many of us are backing off from traditional Islam and we also think that Quran has been awfully mistranslated.
Actually what is really a proof?
It sounds to me like you are a real agnostic who will wait for God to show himself infront of you
There are alot that do exist but we cannot see and/or touch it. But we have our soul, what we feel inside. People who are not in touch with their soul are not whole humans. A balance between the body and soul makes an healthy and terrifiq humanbeing.
Maria