With exception within "Matriarchal Religion / Tradition"... an example of such is Mosuo Religion/Tradition. Where even the idea of "Marriage" is not even recognized and they don't have any word equivalent to "Father" in their language. https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosuo http//www.mosuoproject.org/walking.htm Within a Matriarchal Religion / Tradition; women rules, women inherits everything and own everything, including the offspring. Thus it is irrelevant to 'identify' who or where did the sperm came from... Children never asked who is their father as the conception of 'father' didn't even exist within their mindset.. And men will help taking care of children born by women within their own household.. even though the sperm for that children was not coming from him... With women owning all property, 'marriage contract' is not required... women (and men) can change their sexual partner as they wishes.. It's the women who choose which men that they would like to have sexual relation with.. Now here is the interesting fact, even within such 'sexual liberal' tradition, most (not all) of the people there stay 'monogamous' or having only one sexual partner for life... Thus it seems to be that Human are generally monogamous species.. by nature.. I know about that group. Studied about them in cultural anthropology many years ago. I guess what is now written about them shows the awareness program of Chinese government is working. I mean they are more organized. I was disgusted when I first read about them. Not sure now, but at the time, my book spoke about how they practiced incest. The Chinese government wanted to introduce normal family and marriage to them. It turned out to be hard for some reason. The biggest challenge was to teach them to get married like how universally it is done. Care to explain what you mean ? I am not sure how to explain this. Kinda complicated to put it into words. Holding off in the relationship seems to keep things fresh and innocent.

Can we agree that politics was left to the ummah to decide upon and as such the arguments of ikhwanjiyya and other political Islam (Sunni or Shi?a) and any offshoots are null and void in that there is no set way to govern ?according to Islam?. Also anyone else here aware Muhammad abduh belonged to a Masonic lodge in Egypt at the same time lord Cromer was in charge? Coincidence I?m sure that lord cromer made Mohammed Abduh the grand mufti at a time when he introduced postal office deposits only to have the mufti accede, whereas Shaykh ?Illysh held the classical position on paper currency.

peace all, 121 ALR, these are the signs of the clarifying Book. ====>A 261-2 T'SM.these are the signs of the clarifying Book. ====>B in this set A=B (equation 1) 151 ALR, these are the signs of the Book, and a clear Qur'an.=====>AB 271 T'S, these are the signs of the Qur'an and a clear Book.=====>BA in this set AB=BA (equation 2) i feel (equation 1) = (equation 2) hence kitab+ alkitab = quran quran = kitab +alkitab so LHS=RHS it indicate no difference between alkitab and quran.. the second thing is if quran is separate from alkitab then what is alkitab? in my humble view alkitab is the laws of God from adam till today and quran is the attested copy of these laws .. the same laws what people changed it for cheap prices even in this theory alkitab need quran as a verification source.. i read the article of brother mmkhan i did not understand what he trying to say? but from my weak understanding i think he is trying to say alquran and alkitab are two different things BTW what is the purpose of understanding alkitab if we cant access it ? or we dnt know where to get alkitab from? even if we agree on above then quran is the thing what is also required by alkitab for authentication itself.. so if we have quran we dnt required alkitab isnt it? but on the other hand if we have alkitab we still need quran to understand alkitab? so why making this confusion i feel quran is enough for everything

Was it used in the Qur'an? yes already gave you verses? 375 bidnrin 1220 dirhams Don't be a slave of Lane and others, unchain yourself. it was you who brought up different roots and negation theory not me. perhaps an easier one to test your "all roots negative meaning" theory... please provide meaning kalala (412/4176) root kf lm lm and negative?

In first ayet about "fasting" (es-siyaam) we were told that it was prescribed to us as it was prescribed to ones before us... so we can elevate ourselves with doing "taqwa". There're 2 roots connected one which has only letter Qaf as a root, and the other one with Ta-Qaf. They're very similar and they both mean protection, but TQ means self-protection. You noticed very well that Meryem s.a. was fasting to protects herself from her people. But, fasting is for our self-protection generally. Silence is a protection, and fasting is not about food/drink, it's about silence. We have to remind ourselves on Allah while we're fasting and we'll get protected. The question arises from what? To answer this we have to look at all ayets (situations) which are related to fasting. The most common (fasting in shehru ramadane) is to protect ourselves from what is after Leyletul-Qadr. Punishments come in the morning, but which morning? People of Salih a.s. were not punished at the same day, they were punished "after 3 days"... it was too early for their punishment. People of Zen-noon a.s. were not punished at all - they were fasting, they protected, as a whole people, themselves. I hope this can help... That clears up a lot for me. I do believe it is about going recluse to maintain peace/avoid places where we may end up doing something oppressive while dedicating the days to God. But "mosque" seems to be very much emphasized. 3 days of fasting is found here also 2196 and 589 as instructions. Another one has 2 months, but translation may need to be checked.

940 If you do not support him, well God did support him when those who disbelieved expelled him as the second of two, when they were both in the Cave, as he told his companion "Do not worry; for God is with us." So God sent His serenity down on him and aided him with troops you did not see, and placed the word of those who disbelieved lowest, while God?s word remained supreme. God is Powerful, Wise. I think the traditionalist answer told us this was Abu Bakr....what do you guys think? Wait...I remember. THE SPIDER. yes the spider goes and helps the prophets. Because of that hadith lore my parents never killed spiders in the house!!! tempt And I was always stuck in fear hypno

Perhaps you are right. It will be hard forgetting the fear I've been indoctrinated with...it'll take some time to let go off. But if that is where God is guiding me that is where I shall go. Oh come on.... Surely the "perhaps" is just a perceptual formality in the above post.

Jafar Detecting evil is relatively easy through it's characteristics Proud / Arrogant instead of humble Hateful / Resentful instead of loving Angry instead of calm / peaceful Cruelty instead of compassionate Vengeful instead of forgiving Egocentric instead of allocentric (see thing as a whole, willing to self-sacrifice for the good of others) Lies instead of honest I am sorry to say it Mr. Jafar but wasn't it you who supported dictator Bashar Al-Assad? There you have an example of someone who finds it difficult to distinguish between good and evil in yourself.. Regardless of the labels or claim on how 'close' they are to God, how they often yell "God is Great!" or to some extent their own 'divinity'... Regardless of how often they yell ''Allah, Syria, Bashar''. On human, I've seen all the above on nearly all of the group (races, ethnicity, nations, religion, sect, ideology etc..) nobody is innocent.. And that includes you and me And human tends to 'demonize' their enemy / competitor to justify injustice or cruel act against them and never even once they realize the 'devil' within themselves or their own group. Exactly. All humans engage in shadow projection, i.e. projecting their own negative traits on others and then fight them in order to convince themselves that the devil exist outside of themselves and not within themselves. Peace

Thanks , Baitachal, youare really optimistic as to my abilities but I appreciate it. It make sup for other times when somebody does the opposite for me. yay yay yay yay We must always keep in mind ayas 39.17-18 ...Give, then, this glad tiding to My ser?vants (17) who listen to all that is said, and follow the best of it it is they whom God has graced with His guidance, and it is they who are endowed with insight! (1 This is very important. You can play around with meanings and words in order to snatch from the Qur'an by twisting ways some advantage for you in the world. You yourself know you are tricking and you will get from it the reard of the tricksters, that is smoke, emptyness. However, in our hearts if we listen, as the aya says, if we do listen, to the best of it, we know wht we should understand. But there are wretches who think they are legitimate to crush the Qur'an till it gives nonsense or evilness. What is the use of fallin into the tricks of those eveilm mongers? We must believe in our fitra, God given fitra and trust that if it is guidance we seek, our fitra if we respect it and listen to it will tell us what the best is. Wiki islam and those like it, are just playing war against islam and God, an the resort to any trick. It is good to dismantle their arguments and lack of knowledge but always our our own sake of learning and geting more understanding of the Qur'an, but never, never, to hink they are right. They do not give a damn about right or wrong not do they love us. They are arrogant brats or cannon fodder for those who use them. Without getting into too much grammar or comparisons Do we really feel that the best we can get from aya 65.4 is a ligitimatio for pedophilia or do we feel that whoever extracts such meaning form the aya is straying very far, clutching to straws as an alibi? or otherwise that they are completely lost? listen to the best of it. The best of it from this aya is a society where care is taken that every person that comes to the world, knows when he or s2ha comes and gets hr or his rights and duties from those who owe them to her or him. A society where every person, female or male is safeguarded as to her or his repsonsibilities and duties, and know where she or he stands. Not to fabricate alibis for sadists or vicious mosters that need fresh flesh for their sick minds. We might as well start sacrificing children to Molok. "... it is they whom God has graced with His guidance, and it is they who are endowed with insight! (1" It is no mean gift. Salaam

It is very right that you seek God and do not lose faith. I believe that every religion teaches people something important. But what unites all the religions of the world is charity and love for all living things. I am a Christian and the first thing I did when I converted to the faith was to help children in orphanages. I've been to Syria and Uganda and seen the terrible things that children have to go through. Now I have applied to portland oregon adoption agencies to help me adopt a boy from Syria to whom I have become very attached. I am sure God will guide both me and you on the right path.

http//submission.org/Women_Men_in_your_Care.html yes this supports joseph islams theory,(even states only have one indicated by the or) makes sense and i'll stick with that.

One would think after the prophets death the 200 years before bukhari the community followed quran only Islam. However.... History is ripe with contradictions. Even in those 200 years slavery, conquests, jizyah, ridda wars so many accounts, historical and by hadith. So two things 1) Either every account of the successive years before and after the prophets death are false , perhaps even that the "rightly guided caliphs" never existed (this isn't impossible it explains why the above motioned were happening in a state newly sanctioned by the quran. even during Muhammad's time Allah willed even then corruption followed and quran islam wasn't practiced, hence we have all those accounts. What do my genius free minders think? wow wow because the prophet manifested himself doesn't mean that everywhere on the land will be justice instantly

As I say, I do not miss it, but in the scale of real offenses, occasional bad language does not come on top of what I consider real evil. May God keep you and all of us from worse things that that, Baitachal. Salaam

I believe it is a matter of definition and the specific referent. The Definition 'Quranism' is defined as that specific referent of a belief which is totally represented by 100% of what is in the Quran only and nothing else as revealed to Prophet Muhammad from Allah via angel Gabriel between 610 to 632 AD. The word 'Quranism' is not an issue, what is critical is the defined referent or concept which can be labelled ABCD, XYZ, or words in any language. Note "A rose in any name ..." So Quranism or Quranists who adopt Quranism in that sense is not a sect. However as usual there will be sects within Quranism when each sect interpret the verses in the Quran differently, e.g. the sect of Rashad Khalifa, Edip Yuksel, G A Parwez, Shabbir Ahmed, Ashif Khan, etc. So it is a matter of definition. Quranism as defined above is not a sect, it is a concept of a specific referent. As can be noted in the definition of Quranism above, Quranism in fact represent 'Islam' and 'Muslims' in essence. Then i have to be careful then, im actually following a group involving Dr Shabbir Ahmeds translation https//www.facebook.com/groups/qxp123/?ref=nf_target&fref=nf There are good people in there and they dont like sectarianism.

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Ask yourself these questions Does The Quran you read come across as wanting to glorify prophets more than God? What's more important the messenger or the message? Do Muslims = islam? If you find a Muslim doing a bad thing does that disprove islam? Are my questions relevant? Have I looked into history enough to form a conclusion? Is history relevant?

Are they really the word of Allah being channeled through Muhammad, yet for some reason being revelations apart from the Quran? Seems odd. Can't believe they teach us this stuff in school.

if sectarian islam really is the fastest growing religion than off to jupiter i go giveup jedi angel I have a feeling that it has something to do with ISIS because their religion is based on finance instead of Islam. The second thing probably is the fact that more people in the west are choosing to not affiliate with any religions esp Christianity. That would make population of other religions esp Muslims look more in number. I see a few converts who seem to think leading life like an Arab equals to being Muslim.

I wouldn't call it hate. "Bitter" would be the right word. You know how it feels when everyone rejects your words and accuse you of lying. How it feels when you try to alert people of impending doom but they all shrug it off and say you are going insane, they say they are worried about you and you need help. When I first turned to Quran alone, I approached my family on sensitive areas such as death for apostasy, amputation for theft, stoning for adultery I thought they"ll at least admit the barbarity of these practices but they didn't, they tried to sweep the whole thing under the rug, urging me to ignore such sensitive matters. To my parents, I was too young and inexperienced to appreciate sharia capital punishments. Then, they'll not allow me to pray without invoking Muhammad, nor perform ablution without rinsing my mouth and nostrils. When I tried explaining this to them, they mention bringing a local Imam to explain things to me. I had no hate for anyone but I was always in grief that despite discovering the truth, I still never my freedom.