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arnoldyasin wrote Yes, thank you thegod, netime -) arnoldyasin wrote you've shown i have used a wrong example. For i don't know how the word apocalypse is used in modern Greek. So if anyone knows any better examples, please share them. In the article i posted above, with the use of Nikaa, i've proven my point i believe. So let's keep the examples coming. Soon i'll post my jinn-article, when it is checked by others. I'll also post something about malik-ah later Godwilling. If anyone can contribute, please do. This is important. i was thinking about packin my bags and leavin for a while...however a djinn article is definitely very interestin...so i ll perhaps tarry a while for this 1 article just in case i feel v have different views...and maybe later i will check out jesus' articles! coming to ur 'nikah' stuff...some verses have long failed to make much sense to me and some 'nikah' verses are definitely among them...so i hope i make better sense of these verses now....(and while pursuin this word i hope i have found some stuff which could help me on a few other issues as well)...though i can safely say i am a long way off from makin any real sense regardin 'nikah' itself...much less comin to a conclusion...so keep the good work up...u have done a wonderful job here! -) peace -)

Peace Rifat, Purification of soul is the same for every soul. But the methods and froms differ. Purpose is getting to Rome and which vehicle you use to get you there is of no importance. As long as that you get there in this life time. peace,

Peace, Firstly because of statistical analysis, and the salaat failed it, plus we can find a whole mechanic for the salaat in the Quran alone, and plus, the salaat Rashad talked about didn't "survive" as it was developed at the time of the sunna. So it doesn't fall under a mathematical extra-ordinary, if i have to choose between a salaat mechanic which is not backed up by the Quran, and a mechanic which i can find to the letter in the Quran, the choice is easy as i believe in the Quran alone, also was his idea of salaat formed out of the Quran, which he also translated wrong, which proves he had the best understanding at the time, but we have moved along. Plus the sunni salaat did come out of the hadith, Rashad made a nice attempt, as he was still shaking of his sunni past, and subconciously he tried to stay as close to the sunni practices as he could. Did is not anything new, and is nothing to be shamed about, as he did one of the hardest jobs on earth. Yes, i believe myself it only refers to the Quran. As that is the only thing that is mentioned to be protected. And that is the function of the code. So to believe it does more, and goes beyond the Quran, firstly all the calculations loose it statistical un-probability and we have no proof it is meant to work that way, as in the Quran it is only mentioned that the Book is protected and nothing else. So it looses it "mathematical miracle" status and it is not given that we can use it beyond the Quran. This is my view, and it is based on science, Quran and logic. God knew people would fool around witht he code also to proof their being "special", themselves or their calculations. Peace

One can learn all the classical arabic they want and still not get the message. Another could read a poor translation and get it. Chapter 56 77. This is an honourable Quran. 78. In a protected record. 79. None can grasp it except those pure. 80. A revelation from the Lord of the worlds. Who teaches quran? Who reveals it? Does "deaf, dumb and blind" refer to non-arab speaking/understanding people only? Salaam Zein, I agree with u 100% on this ) The one who wants to be guided will be guided for sure. I feel ill when people always says that u must understand arabic language for knowing the message. Peace Maria

Wonders of science are used to invite non-believers to Truth. There are not to push the people away or for the people to find faults in quran Science only found in the Quran, so it can only invite to the Quran. And push people away from what? Hearsays reports written down by jews and zoroasterians who worked for the rulers 200 years later? Science gives us 1.shows us that the world is designed. 2.coincides directly with the Quran. 3.gives us means to investigate information objectively. All 3 invites people to the Quran only, and when they read the Quran they read 1.that the Quran is complete, as it says itself. 2.that it rejects any authority next to it, as it says itself. 3.that we must investigate everything ourself. 4.not demand useless details. 5.that a lot of people will lie about God and His Deen. 6.that Islam is easy. 7.that all laws in the Quran are complete and detailed, and all have a reason we can find through science, psychology, sociology, why we must follow them. 8.that all things of life not mentioned in the Quran are for us to find out, and we must consult with each other about it. This will show them that the collected hearsay are not to be trusted. not authorized. 3.must be treated and seen as any written history. 4.cannot be used as extra guidelines for our Deen. 5.are used to push people into man-made dogma's. 6.after research in the hearsay history, will show them they are forged collections, man-made to grasp the authority out of God's hand, and put it into the hands of 'religious leaders'. 7.doesn't resemble the prophets words or deeds. 8.are not extra details on the Quran. 9.does contain some wisdom, must be seen as nothing special, as wisdom can be found anywhere on earth with any people. 10.are not revelations or special. Peace

Peace be upon you Feshari, Please respond

coool! have u met others too? Mekaal and Javaid Bashir ? are still in khi , did u meet Muhammad Shiekh? I have only met Mekaal out of the others, the last time I was there. I'm not in Khi now, sadly. Check out my brother's band. I'll send you the stuff via PM.

Peace be upon you Tay, All things run according to cycles, take your time and come back when you are ready.

Danish Thank GOD, I surpassed that category Surpassed ? More like BYpassed Nope, SURPASSED. Let me give you a "knotty" example You channeled (bypassed) Sunnism but remained in the same pithole, thus reflects your own statement which throws back at you ?And others who tell OUTRIGHT LIES about al-quraan yet claim to believe in Al-quraan's divine origin. Go figure.? I am in this forum to DISCUSS. This DISCUSSION is for MY benefit. That's a flying horse, an outcry. Gee, I am sobbing ?buckets full of water?!!! For a sec, I thought you and your likes were "discussing" to condemn people to hell who walk-out on you or talk "against the quran" or don't believe in its divinity. I wonder where would you send people to, who only lie about the quran yet believe in its divinity? HEAVEN, yeah. D Hey Danish - How did you manage to become so articulate and confident in yourself!? I remember a year ago you were so unsure about yourself...now it seems you have grown wings D Regards, Good to see ya humorous self back. Couple of "dudes" sneaked upon me at the remotes high up on Big Bear.

DanishThe first person to jump in as such is AhmedBaghat, followed by mquran, the construction of discussions being portrayed is quite delegatory and enchanting, without substance. The reason why THIS is the extent of your response Danish is because you are and always have been one without substance. If you had any substance, you wouldnt have been afraid to tackle my questions which simply rip open that empty slogan-throwing rhetoric of yours 'no religion' , 'no dogma', uttered by a dogmatic , religious (being fanatical about a belief IS religious and you are both fanatical AND dogmatic about being not dogmatic and religious) person like yourself is LAUGHABLE. You can't even dare to DEFINE your own terms ? Wow. Seriously if the irreligious camp can only field proponents of this calibre. Sunnism and Christianity will win over humanity easily.

047.032 047.032 Those who reject Allah, hinder (men) from the Path of Allah, and resist the Messenger, after Guidance has been clearly shown to them, will not injure Allah in the least, but He will make their deeds of no effect. 047.033 047.033 O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the messenger, and make not vain your deeds! Al-Qur'an, 047.032-033 (Muhammad ) According to Quran only theory, I dont know why Allah mentioned separately to obey Allah AND obey Messenger (as obeying messenger was obeying Allah, and obeying Allah means obeying Messenger). In my understanding, Obeying Allah is Obeying Word of God,,,,and obeying Prophet is obeying his practical interpretation and explanation of Word of God. Any person who claims to understand quran himslef better, then he is claiming that his understanding of quran is equal to Prophet(SAw), if not then why does not he get benefit from the understandings of Quran by Prophet? Why does not he consider the better interpretter of Quran? why does not he accept the Ahadith which are NOT against quran and are actually explaining the verses and making easy to understand the contest??? VirtualEye.

God gives the info, we have only have to share it..............so no props...

Peace all. Was there any 'haqq'(truth.) in between jesus and muhammed? When people themselves hanged the Jesus (in their perception) then what Haq can you expect in people? But yes there were Hawaris (Apostles) of Prophet Jesus(PBUH) to support his motive based on "Haq". Majority was against. And then they started to deform the verses for the sake of money from culprits (who wanted to get some benefit by changing verses). But there is a possibility that even just before the coming of Prophet Muhammad (SAW) there may be some people who still believed in only one God, but they did not have the Injeel in its original form. May Allah bless those people who believed in One God still when most of the people had loosed their faith and started to associate a lot of ill things to Prophet Jesus(PBUH). Several years after the rise of Jesus (PBUH) to heaven, there was pope Gregory who gave the new stanic philosophy that Marry(PBUH) was a prostitute (Naoozubillah). So when people did these kind of satanic changes then there was a need for a Book which would be last one and guarnteed that it can not be changed. That is why Quran is as it is as it was revealed, even after 1400 years. Ok the proof of Deformation of Injeel to Bible is evident in current age as you have dozens of versions of Bible (Still claimed to be word of God, even humans are editing it again and again). The historical proof of conspiracies and deformations in Injeel is that there is not even a single copy of original Injeel available now,,,,not even a single. Not even in some historical building or church....Because original copies of Injeel would have to be destroyed if they needed to add or remove anything in it. Regards. VirtualEye.

Now I am not being strict as you can see D Nice to see your camel back...and you off course D Take care. Regards,

I think you're giving yourself too much credit, or whoever said it. He likes to do that D If you say so D Regards,

Salaam MQuran, Yes, a friend told me also about Dr M and I was quite surprised too. I mean he's famous her. ;D Well, I with some friends are starting to spread the message of God Alone, especially to those that are not satisfied with the Islam that my country accepts it. But, politics or powers may not be suitable for me; I'm not strong enough. ;D ;D ;D =adley=

I just wondered one thing,,,if you cant rely on ahadith which were noted by Muslims scholars, then how will you rely on the old testament and new testament which even contains more contradictions and is the modifiction of the satanic people (verses changers for money) ??? I won't rely on anything. I just want to read it for the sake of reading it. If it is full of contradictions, then I will ascertain that for myself with the intelligence God gave me. Peace, Stitch Yes,,, God had made a contract with you for all the intelligence. Did he? Every person is intelligent here. Genius, superman.

Peace, Dr.Shabbir made some grevious mistakes in some verses, and takes a bit to much freedom sometimes, but in one thing he sticks above the rest, he tries to use his logic, and doesn't appraoch the Quran through mythology. So i use his, Ahmed Ali's, Freeminds and Muhammed Asad's, as i'm still busy with Arabic. But these together plus some extra insights on the real meaning of malika and so on, i get the best understandings as far as i can.

"Evidence provided" Like what, how, when and where? Oh! I get it...."having differing conclusions"!!! Can't stay away eh? WHy don't you answer some of mq's questions if you have the time to post? Each "differing conclusion" thus becomes the one and only "evidence provided" Your comprehension isn't that good. Go figure that one out. Talk about contradictions, going against the Quran, disbelievers, enemy of Islam, et al. LOL. I don't need to. You're the one bringing in the issues and open letters. LOL. Must anyone say anything against the Quran.....ssshhh, nah, never, not me. Okay, I'll keep that in mind next time you post, lest it be hypocrisy. Hush now.

Peace Arnold Thanks so much for taking the time to write your reply to me. I appreciate that, and found your comments really interesting... Especially intrigued by the link to the Quantum Physics theories about the afterlife! So would you say that it's a possibility that the reality that we are aware of NOW, could well be our own heaven or hell that we are currently living as a direct result of what we did in a past life? It would stand to reason that when you are having a "bad patch" in your life that it is a punishment for something. Maybe in a past "world" and "life" we had the chance to read the Qur'an (or similar guide book) and then we lived our "lives" and died, were resurrected and then came to Earth as we know it... but that might be considered a bit of an unfair trick, if you had taken the test, passed with distinction, and then found out your reward was yet another test...?! And do you think we WOULD remember the past life, or that we would NOT remember it? In the example you gave at the beginning, it implies we do die and come back as something else; we just don't realise it (eg if you have training, the part of you that didn't know what you have just learnt "dies" and is replaced by the part of you that knows the knew bit of info) I can't honestly say I have ever remembered any of my past lives, (though I know some people claim to) but maybe it is an explanation for things like de'ja vu or certain dreams...? Or maybe this is getting far fetched?! Interesting topic though! Would be happy to discuss further!