General Issues / Questions

Salaam Salikah, Everyone is ignorant in some way, to some degree, even those who are hypocrites for they will not be so if they have the knowledge for any good reason. Yes, this story is about one who thought materialisticly, the hypocrites can still nonetheless be exposed . Joe

A big warm welcome to you decepticus. I hope you enjoy the board and participate more often. D Thanks a lot ops I really enjoy very much such discussions. I am finding answers to questions I used to ask my parents and teachers when I was young (for curious guys, I am 39 wink ) ; there is also a lot of stuff I disagree with but the positive point is that I am asking myself why do I disagree? What are my arguments? Frying minds er... freeing minds is not that easy, is it? lol I'll try to be present as frequently as I can. It is a pity the day is only 24 hours! mrgreen

peace be upon you Oben, organisational unit - i like that. I agree that in the reference you gave, sura doesn't mean structure as in the physical universe, imho. Wakas

Salaam, My point exactly sister Nadia!! Although gramatically the word "Surah" does have connotations of structure, it is 100% clear what is being refered to in these verses. Especially 223, 1113 and 1038-39. Also, why would GOD challenge us to Create as He Himself has created? The object of a challenge is that the recipient of the challenge believes that he can meet it (the challenge that is). We are obviously being challenged to produce a "Surah" the likes of which make up the quran. Peace, Damon.

Salaams All, I think the forum is back on it's feet lol

Our forum becomes insane lol This is a sign!... repent now, and thy forum will be saved. lol http//www.abandonware-forums.org/images/smilies/prostern.gif

Thanks Khalil. I'll add that one to my short list of likeable rap tunes. As one who has been in an intense relationship or two, these lines cracked me up "Where was Jesus when the ice was thrilling you, Oh, he was he with me trying to keep me from killing you!"

Dear idmkhizar, Theft and cheating make somebody loose their belongings, which is their rightful payment for work to enhance the wealth of the community. They have to regain this by doing additional work. This additional work is then not for themselves but actually for the people who stole from them, or cheated them. Therefore, this definitely affects the people DIRECTLY. In a different manner, agreed, but end result, same?.same?. Regds Ali Omar

Mashallah....really enjoyed reading the article...just goes to show you can attain true Islam without knowing about RK, the miracle or "Quran Alone' God guides the sincere in different ways. Notice how truly spiritual Muslims, even if they are of sunni backgrounds, naturally tend to focus on Quran more. Peace, Omar It's natural, isn't it bro? Although I don't have the nerve to claim myself as 'true Muslim', I myself come to the conclusion that unites most people here without knowing anything about RK or code 19 , and personally I feel it's better for me to keep it this way.

The NDE phenomenon was popular among young people 10 years ago, because of some books and an american movie. These days, ghost stories are coming back, and chinese combatants fly in the air. Real life is not a comic book made in a movie by Hollywood. The Scriptures provide a real Straight track, and all those magic transitory things, they will pass away, like Elvis, like the Beatles, and so many earthly fashions. . What remains is the force (jabarut) developped within us. .

Peace, Lol, sounds like christian/islamic sectarian groups arguing and promoting their own fabricated systems! Nural

Peace I'm 25 in Toronto. Im handicapped, so work is not really an option . Though Im appreciative of the facilities ALLAH has provided in our country, their is a lot of obstacles to overcome, especially employment. Right now I do what I wanna do, listen 2 rap music and play video games. Gotta love it -) Peace

. Maybe to mean those gifts are available to every one, like the gifts in the Qur?an. It seems that you conceive this group more or less like the Catholics, a structure with no real content. Nothing I could write will take away this projection from your way of thinking. Compared to Christians, Bouddhists and Muslims, Baha?is are very few in numbers, but they share a muslim quality, they program (recite) their scriptures daily, in the morning and in the evening. Constance (al-sabr) is recommended by Allah. ,

. Dear Edip and Omar The importance of hadiths in the western world is nil, almost. The Qur?an however is widely spread, but to find a Nadjhul Balagha in English, I was lucky. Why should we insist so much on that topic? Hadiths is a thing we westerners know nothing about, and frankly my dear, what do we care? . Um, because there are also us non-westerners around?

Crone exaggerates and to an extent, lies. The mosques did not exactly face mecca, they were off, but they didn't point more towards Jerusalem than Mecca. Example, the mosque in Kufa http//www.islamic-awareness.org/History/Islam/Dome_Of_The_Rock/qiblakufa.jpeg For more info, heres a link http//www.islamic-awareness.org/History/Islam/Dome_Of_The_Rock/qibla.html

peace omar It seems i have met another conspirational kook. Im quite happy about that, i knew savethemales allready. Altso for some alternative thinkers, look up pusstheory's. In hus forum there are a collection of articles on just about everything along with link. Altso i was pointed to this goldmine of litterature free t download http//www.hermetics.org/ebooks.html be warned though. Some of the writs can change your perspective forever. We are united in ppurpose. And i think by just letting go of the wheel and refuse to participate in society for humanitarian reasons qould be the very start. If we act according to the message each of us, and bind the our Rabb, we will have unified ourself in purpose. Perhaps make rules for ourself like 1.Do not pay taxes to any society that is warmongering, and especially not one using depleted uranuim, that hurts even their own tropps. Get this, thats how little they care for even their own, because they get sick from it aswell. 2.spread the message through action. walk the walk, and talk to those curious. Because as a "group" of free minds, we are located all over the earth, and can only do each our own by making people around us aware. But most will not listen so dont get frustrated. Everybody will think your mad, but it doesnt matter, atleast we do not support lack of justice. If we should really unite we should perhaps look inb the direction of the amish people, who unfortunally have started to have an inbreed problem because they are so few. isolate ourself. peace Noah

Aslamualikum AMS377 thankz for providing the verse i was alwayz confused about this topic but now i have the proof n reason thankz once again

Not really, whats "forbidden" is in the forum rules and you just violated rule number 5. Goodbye.

salaam Omar furthermore, how do you expect us to be taken seriously as a community of believers by the rest of the world? We see many on the line and many others that are not on the line that have very effective position in their community like lowers, professors, doctors. Not many of these people even on the line have been known by internet users as they stay away from forums. We should encourage these people to join our forces already are active on the line. How our we going to bring our views to the academic communities, how are we going to effectively engage in dialogue with the rest of the world? By having some organization that strictly adhere's to consensus building and the Quran as it standard (even if we dont agree on everything), then we will be taken more seriously and come out to the rest of the world more effectively. I agree that there should be an organization and a system to mange such movement which a we are lacking it. We need a group of believers regardless (how they believe in Quran Alone) to cooperate and spend so much time per week or day to promote this unity trough the internet. The view of believers can be announced by members in their local network in academic communities and easies way to dialogue with world is this screen. No traveling, no expenses, and more time for preparing our agenda. Future succeed in any firm is linking directly how this screen can be use. Internet is perhaps the most important tool, but it is only one tool out of a more comprehensive strategy that we should develop I agree with you. It is a tool to transfer our knowledge and information and as you say developing such comprehensive is very important and when we start there will be people with knowledge that can perform it in best manner. Our presence on the line need to be promoted. For example up to last week I did not know such forum exist. http//moslem.org/fhome.asp For now we can bring all God Alone believers published sites , blogs, forums , pages in one file to be attached to all those pages. The users specially the new one has such privilege to visit other pages without referring to bookmark. This page will be the main one that everybody will promote it by submitting to search engines, chat rooms, and local networks in their communities. Presence of more believers on the line could promote our cause faster and more effective. I missed last time to visit but this time come and stay few days with me. I am sure will enjoy reading Quran beside this view. Peace.

Yea, but the Quran was dictated by God, who is eternal, and Gabriel, who probably has a pretty long life time as well. These 'spirits' are of dead people. The dead cannot talk. We live, we die, we are resurrected again at the end. Jesus is dead, those other guys are dead. They wont be alive in anyway until the day of judgement, therefore they cannot communicate with the living. Khi- Salam. Do not say of those who are killed in the cause of GOD, "They are dead." They are alive at their Lord, but you do not perceive. Do not think that those who are killed in the cause of GOD are dead; they are alive at their Lord, enjoying His provisions. GOD Bless!