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  • Miss Overtly Charming Barza Muslim Sister

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    Peace, I think you all should read this http//www.muslimwakeup.com/main/archives/2004/12/miss_overtly_ch.php Feel free to express anything about this article.
  • "Islamic Government" - An Oxymoron

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    This excellent article from came from the following site http//www.theamericanmuslim.org Hope this is practiced one day in the muslim world not because the US is doing it but because they are actually following what GOD wanted all along. Oppy "Islamic Government" - An Oxymoron By T.O. Shanavas In many Muslim majority nations, monarchies, brutal military, dictators or religious extremists force free people to confess and practice a government-approved version of faith that they call Islam. These self-righteous terrorists and tyrants want to subdue Muslims and non-Muslims alike. These enemies of freedom use their handpicked Imams to issue fatwas to validate their tyranny. Unfortunately, most of these Imams' values, and fatwas that have never been subjected to the scrutiny of a free press, are accepted as truly Islamic values in many Muslim societies. Under many such regimes, women cannot drive, own a business, or even acquire the most rudimentary education. In countries such as Saudi Arabia, religious police whip and herd the common people like camels into mosques during prayer time. When women become victims of torture and honor killing in the name of Islam, these Imams, kings and generals ignore or declare these atrocities to be isolated incidents. They claim that Islam and Muslims are protected under their "just" rule. Muslims are quick to condemn non-Muslim societies for their human right violations. However, they are often silent when it comes to the abuse of innocent women and other members of Muslim society. In such a sad state of Muslim society, many Muslims blindly dream of a utopian "Islamic government", in much the same way as Christians anticipate the "Kingdom of God." Unfortunately, this idea of "Islamic government" is a myth created by the power-hungry to subdue Muslims and non-Muslims alike to benefit exclusively those who rule. The Qur'an unambiguously exposes the tyrants' forgery of Islam. The Qur'an states "Say (Muhammad, it is) truth from the Lord of you all. Whosoever will, let him believe and whosoever will, let him disbelieve" (Qur'an 18 29) "And so, exhort them; thy task is only to exhort thou cannot compel them to believe."(Qur'an 21-22). "O Prophet.!?Thy duty is not more than to deliver the message; and the reckoning is Ours." (Qur'an 1340). These verses teach that an atmosphere of safety and liberty is an absolute necessity to the development of faith in the heart. These verses demand that Muslims guarantee freedom and safety for all. Moreover, the "reckoning" belongs to God only. Therefore, if a governments or an Imams' Fatwas demand public obedience and submission, such an enforced, outward appearance of obedience is not faith. Tyrants have no means to know what is in the heart of the individual thus subdued. When a government enforces religion, the control is over the body not over the soul. The Qur'an rejects such tyranny over the body "It is not your meat or blood that reach Allah It is the fealty of your heart that reaches Him" (Qur'an 2237). The Qur'an states "We sent down the Torah which contains guidance and light?Later, in the train of Prophets We send Jesus, son of Mary, confirming the Torah which has been sent down before him, and gave him the Gospel containing guidance and light. ?Unto to you this writ (Koran) and a way and a pattern of life, confirming what were revealed before?Unto everyone of you have We appointed a different law and way of life. And if God had so willed He could surely have you all made one single community professing one faith. But He wished to try you and test you. So try to excel in good deeds" (Qur'an 544-48 Therefore, the very existence of different kinds of faith and religion contesting one another in acts of good work is the will of God. Hence, freedom without the enforcement of conformity in religious matters is Islamic. The so-called Islamic governments of the self-righteous violate Qur'anic principles and tyrannize people of all faith including Muslims. Allah told the Prophet (s) "?Fear not people, but fear Me (God)?" (Qur'an 544). Therefore, the Prophet (s) declared that human beings are free and individually accountable to God only. He preached freedom of faith. He struggled to establish a free society. Prophet Muhammad (s) functioned as a democratically elected leader (after being invited by the citizens of Medina). The Prophet (s) never forced a decision upon his community even when he believed that the majority decision on a particular secular matter was a mistake, as happened in the case of the disaster at the battle of Uhud. He and a minority of the citizens of Medina argued for the fortification of the city of Medina and planned to fight the Meccan army from within. Yet, he agreed to go along with the wishes of the majority of his followers to fight the Quraish in open field instead of fighting from fortified Medina, even though he believed that the strategy of the majority was wrong. He upheld the democratic principles even when there was maximum danger to the community. This incident is an example illustrating that Islam demands Democracy, and not tyranny by Imams, Kings, self-appointed presidents, and military generals. Following the footsteps of Prophet (s), all Muslims must ardently and peacefully struggle to establish a free society. Such freedom ensures that a totalitarian government, Imam, or particular segment of the community (e.g. sunni/shiah) does not presume self-righteously to impose a personal interpretation of faith upon others. Everyone is equal and free. If any one wants to be a believer, let him/her be. If anyone wants to be an apostate let him/her be safe to live the life of an apostate. Government is a tool to maintain communal policy. Within the framework of a democratic government, community policy is generated by communal consensus. The concept of communal consensus, though valuable in establishing communal parameters, becomes irrelevant in the assessment of an individual's soul on " The Day of Judgment." What is critical in the Islamic context is faith. Faith is an exclusively personal and private experience. We embrace faith individually just as we confront our death individually. An Iranian Muslim philosopher, Souroush, correctly said that we have communal actions but not communal faith. We can express faith in public but the core of the faith is mysteriously private. The preeminence of Islamic faith is for the Hereafter where people are to be judged individually "Everyone of them will come before Him all alone on the Day of Resurrection. Surely, Ar-Rahman will show love for those who believe and do right." . In Islam, there is no concept of Original Sin to blight the goodness inherent in mankind; therefore, the prime criterion on the Day of Judgment is the cumulative action of the individual. The officials of a government can have faith and religious values, yet Allah (sw) judges the individual not for what the community has sanctioned as ethical, but for what the individual has chosen as honorable action. One individual cannot bear the sole responsibility for a communal decision. So on the Day of Judgment, a communal policy does not outweigh one's actions determined in the course of free will. The function of government is enforcement. Therefore, the concept of so-called Islamic government is an oxymoron because the Qur'an is against any form of compulsion or enforcement of a particular religion. The Qur'an proclaims "No compulsion is there in religion, for rectitude is henceforth distinct from perversity?" ., however, the closed minds of many contemporary Muslims at large cannot gasp this straightforward and simple message. A community can have Islamic values. The community values do not come from the simple pronouncement of fatwas by Imams, but after comprehensive free discussion of all fatwas and opinions in a free press, without coercion and intimidation. Such open discussion and decision-making by the community are important Islamic tenets because Allah asked the Prophet (s) "?And seek their counsel in all matters of public concern?" . Mistakes are possible when humans make decisions. However, the Compassionate God states "There is no sin upon you for what mistakes you commit unintentionally, but there is sin in what your hearts have intended." Unintentional mistakes happen less frequently when the mind is exposed to free press, public dialogue, and reason. A Hadith states "Allah has not created any thing better than reason." Any Muslim who opposes a free press, public debate, and reasoning commits a sin knowingly because he/she refuses to listen to the merit or demerit of an opposing point of view. The Quraish of Mecca rejected the Prophet (s) because they refused to listen to reason. Muslims must reject this same Jahilliah paradigm that pervades many of our communities. We must free ourselves from the concept of enforced forms of outward Islam that demand conformity and submission by force. We must reject totalitarianism and monarchies that want to rule our bodies. We must let liberal democracy with the safeguard of a free press rule our "meat and blood" and let faith rule our heart and let our hearts and minds fly freely until truth based in reason pervades the earth so that there may be liberty and justice for all (insha'Allah). Unlike the enforced, distorted Islam of tyrants and terrorists, faith chosen freely without coercion and without forced conformity is the genuine faith. In a world where faith freely chosen fills the heart, the true religious spirit may come alive vibrantly to establish the ideal society where all people may partake of that precious freedom called choice. Early Muslim history corroborates this fact. Muslims helped Jews to create their Golden Age and helped liberate Christians from the tyranny of the Roman church. Muslim philosophy and science promoted the Enlightenment and Renaissance of Europe. Muslims also developed experimental science. In those days, we educated anyone who came our way without force-feeding our faith. Now we have governments that have taken control of our body claiming to send our "meat and blood" to God while Muslims have to beg from non-Muslim societies for their daily bread to keep their body alive. Islam will remain a dream and a theory with no practical value until faith rules the hearts and liberal democracy with an accountable free press rules human "blood and meat." I agree with Rose Wilder Lane, the daughter of Laura Ingall (of "Little House on the Prairie" fame) and author of The Discovery of Freedom. She said that in principle the American struggle against authority is only a different version of the struggle against authority of the Prophet and his immediate followers'. The democratic paradigm draws inspiration from the Qur'anic axiom that human beings are free under God. The American constitution reflects this as it states "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or the press." In America, hearts can choose their faith at the individual level. In this great nation, everyone is free to believe or disbelieve in the Day of Judgment when free human spirits face God for their individual acts and faith, not for governmental or communal sins. American Muslims must struggle along with the rest of Americans against any threat from external or internal forces that endanger our re-discovered freedom. We must struggle for a better America without abridging freedom. America may not be the perfect utopia of Christians or Muslims, or of anybody else, but it is the most resilient nation in the contemporary world. Muslim Americans joining hands with the rest of Americans, without impinging on the freedom of others, must strive to make America a greater nation that it is now. The free Muslims of America know that America and American freedom must be protected and preserved at any cost if Muslims want to practice Islam as each Muslim understands it, not as authoritarians such as monarchs or religious bigots choose to enforce it. Finally, I thank Allah (sw) for creating America where my faith rules my heart and liberal democracy rules my "meat and blood" without anyone forcing me to conform my Islamic practices to anyone else's Islam or vice versa. May God Bless America and help us make it better and freer nation.
  • Announcement : New french forum

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    here is the link Forum
  • malayika and Jinns

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    Brothers! In certain places, in quran we come across the word malayikas which addresses malak and jinn together, similar to that that Allah addresses the mankind in His Book as " O Men ! ( Ya Ayyuhal Insaan ). The word implies to both men and women. 2 30 And when your Lord said to the malayikas, " I am going to place in the earth a khalif ", they said " What! wilt Thou place in it such as shall make mischief in it and shed blood, and we celebrate Thy praise and extol Thy holiness?" He said "Surely I know what you do not know. " drfazl
  • Fantastic Business Opportunity and More.

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    Salaam all Take your time and have a good look into this FANTASTIC More than Business Opportunity. http//www.sitesell.com/SiTech.html This is the very best site/program/company that I was able to find after 4 years of searching that provide you with all the THE MOST ESSENTIAL info, tools, and services that help you to fully explore and realize all the opportunities and possibilities that the Internet represents and enable you to make the best out of it. This is Truly the Internet at its best for anyone who wish start an online business of any kind or anyone who wish to easily build a good effective traffic generating website. http//buildit.sitesell.com/SiTech.html All the best, and feel free to contact me anytime if you need any help. Peace Shareef
  • Pre Islamic Writings???

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    Salaam people, Is anyone here aware of any "Pre Islamic" writings that confirm for sure that the 'Arab names for the days of the week were already in place before the revelation of The Quran?? If possible, I wish to avoid the muslim party line and the natural bias that comes with it, so I'm looking for writings that were written by someone who was not a muslim, and that the writing is not about "Islam". Can anyone here help me with this??? Salaam Fam. GOD Alone/Quran Alone, Damon.
  • The Religion of Reason

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    The Religion of Reason The Role of Personal and Hierarchical Ijtihad in Islam http//www.taliyah.org/articles/reason.shtml
  • "Read in the name of your God who created.........&quot

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    Salaams all, "Read in the name of your God who created.........." This is to me the islamic method of reform -by studeying,what majority of the jews are doing you will find even when they are 70 majorty,i think, will still be studeying? But pity majority of the hadithists don't follow this tradition recomanded by the quran and sunnah. 318 There is no God but he,this is the witness of god,the angels,and those endowed with knowledge....... Just look at the station God has given to those with knowledge.Indeed knowledge is very superior in the islamic way. Allah says "Are those equal,those who know and those who don't know?" "Those who truly fear God among his servents , are those who have knowledge" And the Apostle said "To him who follows a path seeking knowledge,God will thereby make a road to paradise" " The angels will indeed lower their wings to the seeker of knowledge as a sign of satisfaction and approval of what he does" "Everyone in the heavens and everyone on earth . even the fish in the sea,ask forgiveness(from God)for the man of learning" "The man of learning is as superiour to the worshipper as the moon is superiour to all other planets in the brilliance of light" "Indeed,the learned men are the inheriters of the prophets" "Indeed the prophets left behinde nothing in the way of pennies and pounds;they only left behind knowledge;so he who picks it up is the luckiest one". "The superiority of the learned man over the wirshipper is like my superiority over the least of my followers" The quran in connection with knowledge speaks of making the heavens subject to us,of making the earth subject to us,of making the stars subject to us ,of making the planets,the sease e.t.c And know think of the past when indeed islam was spreading how advanced or rather how much research investigations where going on in the muslimworld So science and knowledge are of prime importance to us. This is someone elses work.but i respect his thinking greatly.SOUNDS GOOD !? Salaams.
  • ...and what was dedicated to other than God

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    Salam, He has only forbidden for you what is already dead, and the blood, and the meat of pig, and what was dedicated to other than God. Whoever finds himself forced out of need and without disobedience or animosity, then there is no sin upon him. God is Forgiving, Merciful. I know most of us here belief that the Hajj ritual is not in the Quran and God never authorized any such ritual like Ihram, stoning of the three Jamarat station etc. If this is not in the Quran, then it must be from other then God. I?m just curious. Is the animal sacrifice in Mina during the Hajj is dedicated to other than God? Regards
  • strangled,who thinks its............................?

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    Salaams all , i hate to keep things to myself when allah wants all to know. while i was researching Khanzeer ,which i did discuss earlier to some people horror! I think when a dog catches game for us it doesn't mean it will be alive allways it might suffocate as well , but Allah has allowed eating that? so why is strangling forbidden ? Khoneqa = Desease ,of the throat which causes suffocation and death.(P818 LANES)- It says this desease attacks men and animals so could be passed from the animals? Munyatun = Death (p543 Qd) Walmunkhaneqato = And death by khoneqa(strangling) ??? Daweyatun = a land in which are deseases(p940-lanes) Daa-waitohu=to treat medically(p940) Daweya = diseased,sick or ill(p940) Tarr= part (299) So Walmotaradeyato = And the partly diseased. simerlerly Walmoquzato i believe is also a sick animal but with a perticular disease where it loses its hair and goes weak hardly able to make sounds. Salaam to all.Bye!
  • God Alone Meet Up?

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    Salaams What about God Alone Muslims using the online meetup service http//www.meetup.com/ Meet ups are local, in a public place agreed by online voting. A local meetup must have at least ?6 members to go ahead. I am not God Alone - I am actually a social science student sympathetic to your views. What do you think? My website http//www.bayyinat.org.uk/index.htm My research proposal http//www.plimfix.uni.cc/site/page.php Wasalaam Yakoub
  • How atheists view theists

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    This morning there was a knock at my door. When I answered the door I found a well groomed, nicely dressed couple. The man spoke first John "Hi! I'm John, and this is Mary." Mary Hi! We're here to invite you to come kiss Hank's butt with us." Me "Pardon me?! What are you talking about? Who's Hank, and why would I want to kiss His butt?" John "If you kiss Hank's butt, He'll give you a million dollars; and if you don't, He'll kick the snot out of you." Me "What? Is this some sort of bizarre mob shake-down?" John "Hank is a billionaire philanthropist. Hank built this town. Hank owns this town. He can do whatever He wants, and what He wants is to give you a million dollars, but He can't until you kiss His butt." Me "That doesn't make any sense. Why..." Mary "Who are you to question Hank's gift? Don't you want a million dollars? Isn't it worth a little kiss on the butt?" Me "Well maybe, if it's legit, but..." John "Then come kiss Hank's butt with us." Me "Do you kiss Hank's butt often?" Mary "Oh yes, all the time..." Me "And has He given you a million dollars?" John "Well no. You don't actually get the money until you leave town." Me "So why don't you just leave town now?" Mary "You can't leave until Hank tells you to, or you don't get the money, and He kicks the snot out of you." Me "Do you know anyone who kissed Hank's butt, left town, and got the million dollars?" John "My mother kissed Hank's butt for years. She left town last year, and I'm sure she got the money." Me "Haven't you talked to her since then?" John "Of course not, Hank doesn't allow it." Me "So what makes you think He'll actually give you the money if you've never talked to anyone who got the money?" Mary "Well, He gives you a little bit before you leave. Maybe you'll get a raise, maybe you'll win a small lotto, maybe you'll just find a twenty-dollar bill on the street." Me "What's that got to do with Hank?" John "Hank has certain 'connections.'" Me "I'm sorry, but this sounds like some sort of bizarre con game." John "But it's a million dollars, can you really take the chance? And remember, if you don't kiss Hank's butt He'll kick the snot of you." Me "Maybe if I could see Hank, talk to Him, get the details straight from Him..." Mary "No one sees Hank, no one talks to Hank." Me "Then how do you kiss His butt?" John "Sometimes we just blow Him a kiss, and think of His butt. Other times we kiss Karl's butt, and he passes it on." Me "Who's Karl?" Mary "A friend of ours. He's the one who taught us all about kissing Hank's butt. All we had to do was take him out to dinner a few times." Me "And you just took his word for it when he said there was a Hank, that Hank wanted you to kiss His butt, and that Hank would reward you?" John "Oh no! Karl has a letter he got from Hank years ago explaining the whole thing. Here's a copy; see for yourself." From the desk of Karl Kiss Hank's butt and He'll give you a million dollars when you leave town. Use alcohol in moderation. Kick the snot out of people who aren't like you. Eat right. Hank dictated this list Himself. The moon is made of green cheese. Everything Hank says is right. Wash your hands after going to the bathroom. Don't use alcohol. Eat your wieners on buns, no condiments. Kiss Hank's butt or He'll kick the snot out of you. Me "This appears to be written on Karl's letterhead." Mary "Hank didn't have any paper." Me "I have a hunch that if we checked we'd find this is Karl's handwriting." John "Of course, Hank dictated it." Me "I thought you said no one gets to see Hank?" Mary "Not now, but years ago He would talk to some people." Me "I thought you said He was a philanthropist. What sort of philanthropist kicks the snot out of people just because they're different?" Mary "It's what Hank wants, and Hank's always right." Me "How do you figure that?" Mary "Item 7 says 'Everything Hank says is right.' That's good enough for me!" Me "Maybe your friend Karl just made the whole thing up." John "No way! Item 5 says 'Hank dictated this list himself.' Besides, item 2 says 'Use alcohol in moderation,' Item 4 says 'Eat right,' and item 8 says 'Wash your hands after going to the bathroom.' Everyone knows those things are right, so the rest must be true, too." Me "But 9 says 'Don't use alcohol.' which doesn't quite go with item 2, and 6 says 'The moon is made of green cheese,' which is just plain wrong." John "There's no contradiction between 9 and 2, 9 just clarifies 2. As far as 6 goes, you've never been to the moon, so you can't say for sure." Me "Scientists have pretty firmly established that the moon is made of rock..." Mary "But they don't know if the rock came from the Earth, or from out of space, so it could just as easily be green cheese." Me "I'm not really an expert, but I think the theory that the Moon was somehow 'captured' by the Earth has been discounted*. Besides, not knowing where the rock came from doesn't make it cheese." John "Ha! You just admitted that scientists make mistakes, but we know Hank is always right!" Me "We do?" Mary "Of course we do, Item 7 says so." Me "You're saying Hank's always right because the list says so, the list is right because Hank dictated it, and we know that Hank dictated it because the list says so. That's circular logic, no different than saying 'Hank's right because He says He's right.'" John "Now you're getting it! It's so rewarding to see someone come around to Hank's way of thinking." Me "But...oh, never mind. What's the deal with wieners?" Mary She blushes. John "Wieners, in buns, no condiments. It's Hank's way. Anything else is wrong." Me "What if I don't have a bun?" John "No bun, no wiener. A wiener without a bun is wrong." Me "No relish? No Mustard?" Mary She looks positively stricken. John He's shouting. "There's no need for such language! Condiments of any kind are wrong!" Me "So a big pile of sauerkraut with some wieners chopped up in it would be out of the question?" Mary Sticks her fingers in her ears."I am not listening to this. La la la, la la, la la la." John "That's disgusting. Only some sort of evil deviant would eat that..." Me "It's good! I eat it all the time." Mary She faints. John He catches Mary. "Well, if I'd known you were one of those I wouldn't have wasted my time. When Hank kicks the snot out of you I'll be there, counting my money and laughing. I'll kiss Hank's butt for you, you bunless cut-wienered kraut-eater." Sara
  • My Greatest achievement in this life?How about you.

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    Salaams all, what i enjoy here is/was reading the tremendous amount of info layth and others here have provided ,it has changed my entire outlook and has convinced me to follow no one but allah and his deen in the quran and lead a righeous life style.God willing i am and will carry on doing this and expend it to other individuals aswell. Time to relax , but will keep coming back for more time to time.Thanks to Zenje and all. My Salaams. And Thanks to all.
  • Meet Up

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    Has anyone here been to this site - http//www.meetup.com/? Has anyone here met up with others thru this site? I just found out about this site last week. And I also found out there's like 2-3 people under 'progressive muslim' in Denver. o And I thought I was the only one. twisted
  • dRESS

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    AOA well i dont know but let me tell you what i think the muslim women dress should be like these days according to teh Quran! First of all the chest should be covered (breasts) and the stomach The Garment should be short Well i dont know but Allah never said anything bout tightness of the clothes .. he said it should be modest but if you see around these days tight clothes dont matter and are seen as modest ... ! I mean obviously modesty does change with time right ! WE cant just ignore the obvious things like covering of the bosoms but tightness ... its normal nowadays! OK flashing breasts and showing cleavasge is normal too but tightness Allah never metnioned in the quran ! It should be a modest dress and modesty will depend upon climate and location ! What do you guys think ? Hope I have said nuthing wrong .. May Allah forgive me
  • Could it be that Jesus might have had children?

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    Salaams, just read this ayat,can it mean ALL messengers or just some. 1338 And indeed we sent Messengers before you(Muhammad-presumably)and we made for them mates and offspring......... Salaam-just curious,Thanks.
  • To Layth and others (Natural Republic?)

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    Peace all, I saw that you are promoting a republic with your book "Natural Republic". Why don't you promote anarcho-capitalism? That's what, I think, is also promoted in the Koran. Anarcho-capitalism is a view which regards all forms of government as unnecessary and harmful, including, and characteristically, in matters of justice and self-defense. It synthesizes certain ideas from the tradition of classical liberalism (see libertarianism) and arguably from individualist anarchism as well. Anarcho-capitalists promote individual property rights and free markets (in the sense of freedom from government interference) as the most just and effective way to organize all services. They see the definition of property rights through contracts and common law as a universal mechanism to solve conflicts. They regard capitalist corporations as being the product of voluntary contracts and thus a legitimate and efficient way for people to organize, with freedom to choose a competitor or to enter competition as the universal way to preserve and promote quality in services. This analysis includes all goods and services, including those which governments have traditionally claimed as their natural monopoly - such as police or military forces (though only for defensive purposes) and justice through courts of arbitration. Thus, anarcho-capitalists hold their position to be a form of anarchism. Anarcho-capitalists repudiate all forms of state control - including taxation, coercive regulation, war, and coercive monopoly on the use of defensive force - as violations of essential individual rights. They reject these forms of coercive control whether they are exercised by state officials or by private agents; they oppose them because they are violations of rights, not because they are committed by governments. http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism Peace, Omar
  • Zina

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    AOA Well could someone tell me that why things leading t ozina are haram eve though you woint have sex befroe marriaghe .... like i think if you these things like dancing and dating but doesnt lewad to any sexual act then its alright .... you ahev to have self control and thats what Islam teaches riht? what do ya guys think?
  • Concept of Al-Kitab

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    Hi Guys, Am having discussions with a Shia friend of mine about Quran Alone etc.. Arguments FOR Quran Alone rely heavily on verses which include the word "Kitab". For example 1689 and 638 both refer to al-Kitab as being FULLY DETAILED & COMPLETE.. However, my friend is pointing out that we must examine all the uses of the word Kitab in the Quran and understand what is meant by them. He has referred me to this link http//www.quran.org.uk/ieb_quran_kitab.htm I don't know how to respond to this, particularly verse 110 of Surah 5, where God is speaking to Isa and saying that he has taught him the Kitab as well as Hikma, Tora & Bible (Injeel)... it appears from that verse that Kitab is something different to the Scriptures.. and the Shias are saying that here it refers to Shariah.. I've also heard the interpretation that al-Kitab is a heavenly "Book" containing all knowledge in detail, and that the Quran in our hands is a pale reflection of that book and that in 1689 & 638 it is referring to that heavenly book... Can y'all respond pls.. Thanks, HR (SORRY ABOUT THE LAST MESSAGE I ACCIDENTALLY PUSHED SUBMIT BEFORE I COMPLETED THE MESSAGE!)
  • The Qur'an, The Bible, and the Torah

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    Can anybody recommend me versions of these three, in English. I would prefer.. as close to the origionals as I can get, i.e. i dont want the "xxx" version of the books. yes... yes I do have some free time on my hands. and I do need some good reading. D Blaze