Questions/Comments on the Quran

From The Bloomsbury Companion to Islamic Studies Quote The earliest known biography of the Prophet Muhammad, which predates all of the canonized collections of Hadtth, is Sirat Rasul Allah attributed to Muhammad ibn Ishaq ibn Yasar (d. ca. 151 AHl767 CE), known as Ibn Ishaq, who is said to have been commissioned by the Abbasid Caliph al-Mansur (reigned 136-158 AHl754-775 CE) to write a history of creation from the time of Adam (Schoeler 2009,2. The biography of the Prophet was originally part of that much larger work. The work of Ibn Ishaq himself has not come down to us. What has survived is the redaction of Ibn Hisham (d. 218 AH/833 CE). Schoeler argues that, in fact the larger work was never intended for publication in writing outside the caliphal library but that Ibn Ishaq intended his work to be recited by his students (Schoeler 2009,32).Ibn Hisham was a student of one of Ibn Ishaq students, from whom he learned of Ibn Ishaq's work Ibn Ishaq is a controversial figure whose trustworthiness was disputed by both his contemporaries and later scholars. Among his strongest critics were noted scholars such as Malik ibn Anas and Ahmad ibn Hanbal, after whom two of the surviving Sunni schools of law are named, and al-Tirmidhr, and al-Nisa't, whose collections of Hadtth are part of the Sunni canon(Guillaume 2003, xxxivxl). End quote.

salam tellmethetruth thank you for your reply yes i believe the same rhat ther eis no true translation and those around us have interpetations from their translators that miss the point (as per my little understanding) regarding “khalka” maybe you are right but i still believe it means “creation” the word in arabic means “created” and i think there is no need to give its meaning intepretation thank you peace Salam brother! You are welcome! It is not interpreting. It is finding the exact literal meaning which could fit all occurrences. Not an easy job. You can check and cinfirm this meaning from dictionaries or prlonline. Belief is something which stops the mind to procced further! For example believing in الغیب which is usually translated as unseen, means that you believe in all unseen things, events, persons, or places. Do you? If you take it as an opposite of حاضر then it would mean 'absent' while Allah is not absent. Then what is its true/literal meaning? im looking for a translation where there is no “interpretation” but rather a literal approach to the meaning of the verses exactly as they are Hope you succeed in your journey. Peace!

Salaam, Asalam-o-Alaikum, وَلَقَدْ آتَيْنَا دَاوُودَ مِنَّا فَضْلًا ۖ يَا جِبَالُ أَوِّبِي مَعَهُ وَالطَّيْرَ ۖ وَأَلَنَّا لَهُ الْحَدِيدَ ﴿١٠﴾ AND , indeed, did We grace David with Our favour “O you mountains! Sing with him the praise of God! And you birds!” And We softened all sharpness in him, (10) Could someone please shed some light what is mean by mountains and Birds in this verse? Thanks Peace NK, I think that al-jibal and al-tayr could mean something else than mountains and birds. I would mostly agree with those who say that al-jibal and al-tayr could refer to tribes/people living in mountains and people/tribes of al-tayr . Some elements to explore https//www.islamawakened.com/quran/34/10/ 3410 And We certainly granted David favours from Us. "O al-jibal -- awwibī maʿahu / be obedient with him (David) / معه اوبي -- and al-tayr (as well) ." And We softened the iron for him. اوبي... / awwibī ... from the root أوب Alif Waw Ba http//corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=Awb some translate اوبي / awwibī as sing/echo/glorify ... -In the following verses for example اواب / awwab from the root أوب Alif Waw Ba, has the meaning of obedient / turn to https//www.islamawakened.com/quran/38/17/ https//www.islamawakened.com/quran/38/19/ https//www.islamawakened.com/quran/38/30/ https//www.islamawakened.com/quran/38/44/ https//www.islamawakened.com/quran/50/32/ -In the following verse للاوبين / li al-awwibīna, from the root أوب Alif Waw Ba, has the meaning of those who turn (unto Him) / to the obedient https//www.islamawakened.com/quran/17/25/ al-jibal and al-tayr referring to people would make more sense than mountains and birds. Note the favors of God to David 3410 And We certainly granted David favours from Us. "O al-jibal be obedient with him and al-tayr (as well) ." And We softened the iron for him made al-jibal and al-tayr obedient (3410) with him made al-jibal and al-tayr subjected (2179 and 381 with him / in order to glorify/sabbih with him softening iron for him which resulted in strengthening his kingdom. (so there seems to be a purpose for these favors) 3410 And We certainly granted David favours from Us. "O al-jibal be obedient with him and al-tayr (as well) ." And We softened the iron for him 2179 So We gave understanding of the case to Solomon, and to each We gave sound judgment and knowledge. And We subjected with David al-jibal glorifying/yousabbihna and al-tayr (as well) and We were the doers (thereof) 3818 Indeed, We subjected al-jibal with him(David) glorifying/yousabbihna in the evening and sunrise. 3819 And al-tayr assembled, all to him obedient. 3820 And We strengthened his kingdom and We gave him wisdom and decisive speech. Concering "sabbih SBH" As good logic mentioned in his post in 2441 the "sabbih SBH" is an example of a meaning of "sabbih SBH" The "sabbih SBH" concerning al-jibal and al-tayr in relation to David is different, here it is with him (David) i.e for a purpose if we take al-jibal and al-tayr meaning mountains and birds --> they "sabbih SBH" to God since their creation. What would be the purpose of subjecting mountains and birds to "sabbih SBH" with David ? What would the "sabbih SBH" of mountains and birds add to the "sabbih SBH" of David ? Why specifically mountains and birds and not other inanimates and/or other animals? See for example Wakas article about other meanings for "sabbih SBH" http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-SaBiH-from-Quran.html Siin-Ba-Ha = to swim, roll onwards, perform a daily course, float, the act of swimming, occupy oneself in the accomplishment of his needful affairs or seeking the means of subsistence, business/occupation, those who are floating, went/travel far, being quick/swift. To praise/glorify/hallow/magnify, sing/celebrate praise, holy, declaring God to be far removed or free for every imperfection/impurity If a human was to SBH like the bird with wings outspread, then the equivalent would be walking, running etc but this is only expressing ourselves through the laws of nature. One may argue that the bird is simply doing what it does out of instinct (inbuilt programming) and whilst humans have an inbuilt program to some extent (see 3030), we can also choose to express ourselves through God's revealed law, e.g. by carrying out a commandment from The Quran, such as giving to charity, abstinence, feeding a needy person etc. Doing so could be classed as a type of SBH/glorification, and such an association seems to be present in the following verses 2030 (Moses said) "Aaron, my brother." 2031 "Reinforce with him my resolve." 2032 “And share with him my task.” 2033 “That we may glorify/SBH You plenty.” 2034 “And remember You plenty.” There is also a possible contrast being made in this verse And your Lord said to the controlling forces "I am placing a successor on Earth." They said "Would You place in it he who would corrupt in it and spill blood while we glorify with Your praise, and sanctify You ?" He said "I know what you do not know." Another element to explore A conversation between Solomon and a soldier of the people/tribe of al-tayr (would make more sense than a conversation with a bird) 2716 And inherited Solomon David. And he said, "O people! We have been taught (the) mantiq (of) al-tayr , and we have been given from every thing. Indeed, this surely, it (is) the favor evident. 2717 And were gathered for Solomon his armies of al-jinn and al-ins and al-tayr, and they (were) set in rows ... 2720 And he inspected al-tayr and said, "Why not I see the hud-hud or is he from the absent 2721 I will surely punish him (with) a punishment severe or I will surely slaughter him unless he brings me a reason clear. 2722 So he stayed not long, and he said, "I have encompassed that which not you have encompassed it, and I have come to you from Saba with news certain 2723 Indeed, I found a woman ruling them and she has been given of every thing and for her (is) a throne great 2724 And I found her and her people prostrating to the sun instead of Allah, and has made fair-seeming to them the Shaitaan their deeds, and averted them from the Way, so they (are) not guided 2725 That not they prostrate to Allah, the One Who brings forth the hidden in the heavens and the earth and knows what you conceal and what you declare 2726 Allah (there is) no god but He, (the) Lord (of) the Throne the Great. 2727 He said, "We will see whether you speak (the) truth or you are of the liars 2728 Go with my letter, this, and deliver it to them. Then turn away from them and see what they return. Note also about Al-Naml 2718 Until when they came to the valley of the Naml, a Namlite said O Naml! enter your houses, lest Solomon and his armies do not crush you while they do not realize. 2719 So he smiled, laughing from her speech and said my Master, enable me to thank for Your favors that You granted me and my parents, and to do good work to please You, and admit me among Your righteous servants by Your mercy A tribe named Al-Naml woud make more sense than an ant speaking, and that Solomon could hear/understand her speech. Anothher intriguing element al-jibal and al-tayr are related to David and al-jinn and al-tayr are related to Solomon al-jibal is not mentioned in relation to Solomon and al-jinn is not mentioned in relation to David والله اعلم Allah knows best.

Salam reel! How would you take 1094 then?

It also says that some Jews take quotes out of context 416. This is probably one of those times. IIRC, it is. Don't take this as anti-semetic, but something you should be weary of regardless the situation. Stay steadfast brother, I mess up a lot but God forgives sin. Also, I recommend not taking my word for it and taking the idea of confirming things yourself to heart. Context is everything, there's a reason we shouldn't argue about what is and isn't in the Quran IMO.

Peace Emre, you didn't have to write all that I only asked you to distribute husband and parents? Whoever's mentioned in the sentence, they're the only heirs. So either they're alive, or they're still being inherited, even if they're others. no, impossible to allocate spouses and parents for example? need to read in context 411-12 with 4176 and other verses. "Allah advises you regarding your children For the male, the share of two females." That is, if the heirs consist of only children and there are both male and female children, male children will receive 2 units, while female ones will receive 1 unit. no not always, case is exactly 2 daughters and 1 son (need to calculate 2+ sons) 2/3 three+ daughters (fixed) 1/3 son (variable) 1/2 single daughter (fixed) 1/2 son (variable) If the deceased has a mother but does not have a father and also has siblings, the share of the mother decreases to one in six. no, 1/3 and 1/6 mother (if siblings 3+ at least 1 male) both parents alive! 411 فان so if لم not يكن beeth له for him (said person) ولد offspring وورثه and inherit him ابواه abawahu/parents dual (both alive) his فلامه so to mother his الثلث the third (1/3) فان so if كان be له for him اخوه siblings (3+ at least 1 male) فلامه so to mother his السدس the sixth (1/6) otherwise if only one parent is alive (mother/father) their share is variable. both parents alive 1/3 mother (fixed 411) 2/3 father (variable) 1/6 mother (fixed 411) 1/3 three brothers (fixed 412) 1/2 father (variable) 1/3 mother (fixed 411) 1/3 husband (2/3*1/2 412 ما ma/what) 1/3 father (variable) 1/3 mother (fixed 411) 1/4 wife (fixed 412 مما mimma/from what) 5/12 father (variable) single parent alive 1/3 brothers/sisters (fixed 412) 2/3 mother/father (variable) 1/6 sister 1/6 brother (412, 4176) 2/3 mother/father (variable) If you read verses 11 and 176 of Nisa one after the other, you will see that the rates given to boys and girls only when children are inheritors in verse 11 are exactly the same as those given to brothers and sisters when only brothers are inheritors in verse 176. no, they are not exactly the same different calculations, any # of females to 1 male. 411 pertains to mixed gender children while 4176 used for mixed gender siblings. 411 يوصيكم instructed you الله the god في in اولدكم awladikum/offspring yours للذكر to the male مثل similitude حظ apportion الانثيين the two (females) the above applies only when there are exactly two females! 4176 وان and if كانوا be they of اخوه siblings رجلا menfolk of ونسا and womenfolk (3+) فللذكر so to the male مثل similitude حظ apportion الانثيين the two (females) the above applies only when there are three or more females! https//i.postimg.cc/nZKn4nNv/inheritance-4-11-and-4-176.jpg As an example, let's solve the question involving 3 famous girl heirs. “A man dies and leaves behind a mother, a father, three daughters and a wife. How will the heritage be shared? ” 1/6 mother (fixed 411) 1/6 father (fixed 411) 1/8 wife (fixed 412) 13/24 daughters/sons (variable) if mixed children (boys and girls) use 411 to distribute 13/24 according to exact instructions given. 48 And if the distribution is attended by the relatives and the orphans and the needy, then you shall give them part of it and say to them a kind saying. yes and write a will and give the orphans their inheritance once they reach the age of marriage etc. https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/4/vers/12/handschrift/73 https//i.postimg.cc/L8gx0QJB/ch4v11-15.jpg

Shape of the earth? is this not a question for the experts(Those scientists/researchers...that have the skills and knowledge to do this sort of jobs?) . I mean how can I possibly compete with them if my expertise /field is not "the shape of the earth"? I can only look at what I read/see/make out of what they say/believe them...etc. Or I can one day have a look from above given the opportunity and see the shape of the earth for myself! This can be applied to skies, planets,stars,universe... I prefer to tackle the subject from a different reasoning. 1-What have the experts said about the "shape of the earth"? Does it make sense?What do I agree or disagree with it according to my logical understanding of their answers? What shape do I think it is after my checking of the information available from all the answers of the experts? Having said that,reason of humans has limits,just because we reason does not mean there is no conflict. In fact because we reason from different perspectives/loyalties/backgrounds,... we are in conflict. If one is satisfied with their understanding then that is all that matters. Regardless of other opinions since there will always be even absurd opinions from humans. While it is interesting is to check all opinions even the absurd ones and respect the fact that people are free to choose whichever makes sense to them. GOD bless. Peace.

peace, nineteen is simpleton stuff with millions of multiples 8522 في in لوح lawhin/tablet محفوظ guarded to convince mathematicians find Qur'an pattern large prime! e.g. find unique prime number each chapter or entire Qur'an https//primes.utm.edu/largest.html largest known prime is 2^82,589,933 − 1 (24,862,048 digits!) 2267 الله l-lahi/the god (including 112 chapter titles is prime!) 240 والله wal-lahu/and the god 139 بالله bil-lahi/in the god 116 لله lillahi/to god 27 ولله walillahi/and to god 8 تالله tal-lahi/by the god 6 فالله fal-lahu/so the god 6 فلله falillahi/so to god 1 وتالله watal-lahi/and by the god 1 ابالله abil-lahi/is in the god 2811 total occurrences -112 less chapter titles 2699 total is prime! https//www.dcode.fr/primality-test Peace I am not sure what you are answering.

Severely manipulated stuff...

Ah okay, because i remember there was someone who made a html page about this post.

Hello everyone, I don't want to get too deep into these because they are not too relevant to 133, but I do want to break down 6512 using a word for word translation Allah- He-Who - created - seven - heavens -and of - the earth - like of them (mith'lahunna). Now, I understand one translation had it in brackets that it means . However, that interpretation is a metaphorical understanding of the verse. The verse does not have the word "the many aspects of the Earth", however it is possible that the metaphorical translation you prefer is correct over the literal translation. But you must recognize the possibility that the literal translation may also be true--that there are several planets like the Earth just as there are several heavens. I say this verse does not make it clear which is the case, but it is certainly possible there are other Earth like planets or even other universes. Note, the word "seven" in the Quran is not necessarily '7', it can also mean "several". As an example, look at Quran 2261--The parable of those who spend their substance in the way of God is that of a grain of corn it grows seven ears. This verse doesn't mean "seven" ears, rather it means "several ears". This is just a convention of the Arabic language where you use 7 to convey multitudes. Note, also that 'ard' can also mean 'land', however, even if the Quran says many 'lands', that does not exclude lands in other planets as those planets also have lands. Ard also means Earth. Now, you said something about Quran 4111-12. I don't think anywhere in these verses does it say there is only one planet like Earth. When the Quran says "the Earth", we know exactly what it is talking about, it is talking about the one we are in right now. But this doesn't mean there aren't mith'lahunna (similar planets) of the Earth in the universe/multiverse--just that this verse is talking about our Earth (and it is not talking about other planets). You also mentioned something about the Earth being fixed. There is no place in the Quran which explicitly and unambiguously says the Earth is fixed--but it is possible the Quran alludes to this to appeal to 7th century dispositions but note that the Quran does not explicitly say the Earth is fixed (perfectly agreeable with science). Also note Ard can also mean "land" as discussed above. I don't want to get too deep into this in this thread because this is not relevant to the original discussion and doesn't really matter for our purposes here. Peace brother.. Thanks for your concern... As we all know this is not the ideal topic to discuss and debate a massive subject.. Pls.. Either open new thread if interested or post your questions Below topic.. https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610127.0

I But at the end of the day, 3353 came through the Prophet. It doesn't make sense that he would hide what God was supposed to disclose. Peace sister... If you are running a marathon and you fell down and got treatment wobt matter, what matters is you completed the marathon... Prophets are not extraordinary creatures that they would obey God as He say without reacting to human nature... Pls grasp that that... God uses prophets and God chose them.. And not they applied for the post willingly... They may do what they do in between... But God strengthened them for the task... Note below verse 567 O Messenger, announce that which has been revealed to you from your Lord, and if you do not, then you have not conveyed His message. And Allah will protect you from the people. Indeed, Allah does not guide the disbelieving people. Don't take this prophet job is easy... Don't blame the prophet for what he did while God has pointed out his mistake and forgiven him.. In the end God ensures prophets delivered all His messages... So according to Quran all messengers delivered so they remained messengers and on the day of ressurection they will be called to witness.. As i said before messenger cannot be messenger unless He completes his task that is to say delivering the message... Failing to do so will end up not as messenger... So with all hardships all prophets did what they were assigned with.. They completed with struggle.. God is responsible whether they delivered or not.. In my view hardest ever job is being a prophet and Messenger to deliver messages to people.. With the will of God messages are delivered so nothing was hid by prophet other than for sometime... It does make sense what he hid for me.. Coz he was human and kind hearted.. Think in practical and possible scenario... You want a prophet to make no error.. That's far fetching

Salam, I have an alternative and simpler theory about "hanif". As indicated in this page https//sites.google.com/site/arabichebrewlexicon/introduction/pronunciation-changes it can happen that between for some cognate words in Arabic and Hebrew, the nun is dropped from Arabic to Hebrew. E.g. for spider ankabut in Arabic, akkavis in Hebrew. Or for pig khanzir in Arabic, chazir in Hebrew. This suggests that the correct cognate word of Arabic hanif (حَنِيف) is not Syriac hnp which indeed means pagan, but Hebrew chaf (חַף), which means clean, pure, innocent. This theory also suggests that the original pronunciation of حَنِيف was not "hanif", but "hanfa", so that the nun can be easily assimiled to the f in Hebrew. Salam Anoushirvan, Thanks for your contribution. My own translation to render all the meaning of this word in quranic context = "pagan-deviant" pagan in the sense of he was not a christian nor a jew BUT in the same time also... deviant = not a polytheist as pagans but "theotrope" like the definition of Maurice Gloton in his Quranic lexicon (An approach to the Koran through grammar and lexicon, Albouraq editions, 2002), proposes to translate the word hanîf by “theotrope” (from “theos” in Greek which means “God” and “ tropos ”from the verb“ trepein”, to turn) to mean the one who turns to Allah, who turns his face to Allah, because the root of the word hanîf has the meaning of leaning (it is said for genu valgum (knock-knee)), tilting to one side, turning to one side. Peace

I commited zina 4 years ago.Can i still considered as 'zaniya'? I dont know arabic and i dont know if this world means who had comitted zina or who still commits zina.I dont do it anymore.And i know 243 .Can somebody fluent in arabic help me? I am wondering this because i want to marry someone and he never commited zina.Can we marry after i repent? Salam sister asdfg, If you don't mind, would you clarify a bit on what you did 4 years ago? Perhaps what you did does not fall under zina You might want to have a look at the discussion in the following thread https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=12031.msg89825#msg89825 Wassalam, Ade

Salam, Actually the textual context of verse 2.143 and followings begins a bit earlier, at verse 2.139. Here is a translation based on free-minds'one, except that I modified some small part that I disagree with the original Ummah means community in the lifetime, i.e. generation and in verses 2.141 and 2.143, generation is a better fit Ummah wasatan in verse 2.143 does not mean a balanced community in my opinion. Wasat means at the center like an edge, so ummah wasatan means a leading edge generation, i.e. they carry a new message from God, and this explains why they can be witnessed over the people. Kasaba means "to do", "to perpetrate", and not "to earn", see verse 4.112 I kept Qibla instead of "focal point" for the purpose of this explanation. I kept al-Masjid al-Haram instead of "restricted Temple", as I don't fairly like this translation. 2139 Say "Do you debate with us regarding God? He is our Lord and your Lord, and we have our works and you have your works, and to Him we are believers." 2140 "Or do you say that Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Patriarchs were Jewish or Nazarenes?" Say "Are you more knowledgeable or is God?" Who is more wicked than the one who conceals a testimony with him from God? God is not unaware of what you do. 2141 That is a generation that has passed; to them is what they have done, and to you is what you have done; and you will not be asked regarding what they did. 2142 The foolish from among the people will say "What has turned them away from the Qibla that they were on?" Say "To God is the east and the west, He guides whomsoever He wishes to a straight path." 2143 And as such, We have made you a leading edge generation so that you may be witness over the people, and that the messenger may be witness over you. And We did not make the Qibla that you came on except that We may know who is following the messenger from those who will turn on their heels. It was a great thing indeed except for those whom God had guided; God was not to waste your belief. God is Merciful and Compassionate over the people. 2144 We see the shifting of your face in the heaven; We will set for you a Qibla that will be pleasing to you "You shall set your face towards the Masjid al-Haram; and wherever you may be, you shall all set your faces towards it." Those who have been given the Book know it is the truth from their Lord. And God is not unaware of what you do. 2145 And if you come to those who have been given the Book with every sign they will not follow your Qibla, nor will you follow their Qibla, nor will some of them even follow each others Qibla. And if you were to follow their desires after the knowledge that has come to you, then you would be one of the wicked. 2146 Those to whom We have given the Book know it as they know their own children; and a group of them hides the truth while they know. 2147 The truth is from your Lord, so do not be one of those who doubt. 2148 And to each is a direction that he will take, so you shall race towards good deeds. Wherever you may be, God will bring you all together. God is capable of all things. 2149 And from wherever you go out, you shall set your face towards the Masjid al-Haram; it is the truth from your Lord; and God is not unaware of what you do. 2150 And from wherever you go out, you shall set your face towards the Masjid al-Haram. And wherever you may be, you shall all set your faces towards it; that the people will have no room for debate with you, except those of them who are wicked. You shall not be concerned by them, but be concerned by Me; so that I may complete My blessings upon you and that you may be guided. So this passage begins with the statement that the generation of Jacob has passed with all it has done, and the generation the messenger speaks to must try to move forward. What is implied here of course is that the mores and customs that were prevalent at the time and generation of Jacob are not relevant anymore for this current generation of the 7th century. Then the passage goes on verse 2.142 with the complaint from the foolish people What has turned them away from the Qibla that they were on? Let us put aside this sentence for the moment, I'll come back to it, and let us examine the answer to that rhetoric question "To God is the east and the west, He guides whomsoever He wishes to a straight path." We need to understand how the answer is related to the question, and understand the question as well. In order to understand the answer, we need to understand what is implied by "east" (mashriq) and "west" (maghrib). Since the passage addresses to people who want to stick to the customs of Jacob, i.e. Jewish-like people, we must understand how those could have understood the passage. It means we have to understand the ancient Jewish thought and tradition in order to understand this correctly. And indeed, East means the place and time where the Sun rises, while West means the place and time where the Sun sets. In the ancient Jewish thought, the Sun was metaphorically the new messianic era, so that East meant resurrection, coming of the Messiah, and West meant Exile, destruction, idolatry. Also in the ancient Jewish thought, when the Messiah will come, he will alleviate the Law. So, "To God is the east and the west" means that time of destruction and time of resurrection belong to God, i.e. the decision to stick with the ancient Law or to move to a newer Law. So somehow, the change of Qibla is related to a change of Law and customs from the time of Jacob. In verse 10.87, we find 1087 And We inspired to Moses and his brother "You shall seek out homes for your people in Egypt; and leave your homes to be a Qibla, and uphold the Salat. And give good news to the believers." Does it mean here that the homes of Moses and Aaron are direction of prayer ? Nobody coming from Jewish traditions as those to whom the messenger addressed would have understood that. Verse 2.145 makes it clear that the Qibla is something to follow, it is not itself a place. It also makes it clear that the Qibla belongs to someone qib'lataka the Qibla of the messenger qib'latahum the Qibla of the opponents to messenger Mā Bađuhum Bitābiin Qiblata Ba`đin the opponents are so divided that some don't follow the Qibla of others following the Qibla of someone else after having received knowledge is following his desires and will make you among the wicked The word "Qibla" comes from a verb qbl that means to be facing each other, such as to receive or accept something. This actually fits rather well with the situation where students are facing their teacher. So Qibla simply means teaching of the Law. But what about verse 2.144 We will set for you a Qibla that will be pleasing to you "You shall set your face towards the Masjid al-Haram; and wherever you may be, you shall all set your faces towards it." ? In verse 2.149 and 2.150, we read And from wherever you go out, you shall set your face towards the Masjid al-Haram. If we take the verb walla in the proper sense, then each time you go out of somewhere you must physically turn yourself towards the Masjid al-Haram which is simply ridiculous. So the verb walla is to be taken in a figurative meaning in this context. Turning one's face towards al-Masjid al-Haram simply means remembering the Divine Law, and that remembrance, by itself, is already a Qibla. "from wherever you go out" the verbe kharaja indeed means to go out, but in that context, could be well understood as "to dissent". "from wherever you go out" or "wherever you may be" this is to be understood as whatever group you dissent from or you are in. Any case, keep remembrance of the Divine Law symbolized by the Masjid al-Haram, so that people have no argument against you.

Alquran is revealed in clear Arabic language, no need to appeal to a foreign bank like Persian or Hebrew to understand it, God explains it. Salam, it's begging the question.

117 He is the One who has created the heavens and the earth in six days, and His Throne /'arshuhu was upon the water; so as to test who from among you works the best. And when you say “You will be resurrected after the death,” those who have rejected say “This is but clear magic!” 2255 God, there is no god except He, the Living, the Eternal. No slumber or sleep overtakes Him; to Him belongs all that is in the heavens and the earth. Who will intercede with Him except with His permission? He knows their present and their future, and they have none of His knowledge except for what He wishes. His Throne / kusiyuhu encompasses all of the heavens and the earth and it is easy for Him to preserve them. He is the Most High, the Great. 4810 Those who pledge to you, are in fact pledging to God; the hand of God is above their hands. Those of them who violate such a pledge, are violating it only for themselves. And whoever fulfills what he has pledged to God, then He will grant him a great reward.

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it is not to relaunch the debate, it is to add another opinion dating from 2004 From the debate below https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=7439.90 https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=7439.100 Peace JM, /in my opinion, "Waidriboohunna" implies "Waidriboohunna fee almadajiAAi" ; like "waohjuroohunna ". In other words, I read this part of the verse as comme "waohjuroohunna waidriboohunna fee almadajiAAi"/ The verse 41 illustrates the same structure than "waohjuroohunna fee almadajiAAi waidriboohunna" in 434 "rijalan katheeran wanisaan" is translated as "many men and women", the word "katheeran" (many) is between "rijalan" (men) and "nisaan" (women). "Many" (katheeran) is for men and women in 41 and I say the same thing for "in bedchamber" (fee almadajiAAi), it is for "waohjuroohunna" and "waidriboohunna" in 434 In the same way for "rijalan katheeran wanisaan" in 41, I translate "waohjuroohunna fee almadajiAAi waidriboohunna" as "and abandon them and separate / move away/ from them in the bedchamber in 434 In other word, I can say "waohjuroohunna (abandon them) wainfuroohuna (turn away from them) fee almadajiAAi (in bed chamber), The verbs "Hajara" and "nafara" are not identical but have a common concept the separation Let us suppose that the verb "daraba" in 434 means "to beat", why to beat them in the bedchamber and not in the living room? roll There is no doubt, the quran explains itself. Marie Salaam Marie, Very good explanation !!! Excellent. I never tried to think about this verse, that way, even if this structure and style is used so many times in the Quran and not just in 41. Well, so you'd read it "ihjuruhunna + idribuhunna fil madajii'" and this makes sense. Also the verb "daraba + fi" is used in the Quran for travelling as in "darabtum fil ard" or going far away. Did you research this before? "daraba + fi" can be the key for making this verse 100% clear in my mind! Your post made it clear, i just need to authenticate this understanding by researching "daraba + fi + place" to understand how its used in arabic. If you researched this before, pls let me know God bless best regards sabo Salaam Sabo, In the following verses the verb "daraba" means to travel, to get out daraba fee----> 3156; 4101; 7320; 2273 I found only one example in my doctionary "Lisan al3arab" about "daraba+ fi + some thing" and it is a particular case The following is from my exchange with JM daraba albaAAeer fee jahazihi ay nafara, falam yazal yaltabit wa yanzoo hatta tawwaha AAanhu ma AAalayhi min adatihi wa himlihi daraba = ضرب chameau /camel/ (albaAAeer ) = البعير dans /in/ (fee) = في ses bagages /its luggage/ (jahazihi ) = ﺟهاﺯه signifie /means/ (ay) = أي to turn away (nafara) = ﻧفر il ne cesse pas /he doesn?t stop/ (falam yazal) = ﻔﻠﻢ ﻳﺯﻞ donner des coups de pied, des ruades /*to kick, to buck */ (yaltabit ) =ﻟﺒﻃ ﻨﺯﺍ = sauter /* to jump*/ (yanzoo ) jusqu'? /till/ (hatta) = ﺣﺘﯽ ﻃﻮﺡ= jeter, ?garer, faire tomber /*to throw, to mislay, to knock */ (tawwaha ) ce qu'il y a sur lui ou sur son dos /*what is on him or on his back */ (AAanhu ma AAalayhi) = ﻋﻧﻩ ﻣﺍ ﻋﻟﻳﻩ de /of/ (min) = ﻣﻦ ﺃﺪﺍﺘﻩ = son mat?riel /its equipment/ (adatihi ) ﺤﻤﻟﻩ= son poids, fardeau, chargement /its burden/ (himlihi) The verb "nafara" which means to move away / turns away is also used on other verses O you who believe, take your precaution by going out in clusters, or going out all together. Ya ayyuha allatheena amanookhuthoo hithrakum fainfiroo thubatinawi infiroo jameeAAan See also 1741,1746, 2560, 3542 I think there is a common notion between "daraba fi alard" and "daraba fi some thing". It is interesting to use the dictionaries in order ti improve our comprehension for some words but they are posterior to the quran. The language evolved since the revlation of the quran. We have to seek the best explanation only on the light of the quran because the quran explains itself. Peace and best wishes Marie

Before teaching the Koran, one must have a clear universal understanding about the fixed verses (salat, zakat, siyam, haj...etc). This is not currently the case due to the multitude of understandings and practices. 37 He is the One who sent down to you the Book, from which there are fixed verses—they are the Mother of the Book—and others which are comparable. As for those who have a disease in their hearts, they follow that of it which is comparable, seeking to confuse, and seeking to derive an interpretation. But none know its interpretation except God, and those who are well founded in knowledge; they say “We believe in it, all is from our Lord.” And none will remember except those who possess intelligence.