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Islamic Calendar & Ramadhan.

Do we use a 365-day year or a lunar count or both?. And when are the days of fasting?.

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  • :: Ramadhan Fasting or .....? ::

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    salaam talib, You may be in 100% agreement, but can you answer why there has been 100% silence to the following rebuttal? http//www.scribd.com/doc/63347625/az-vs-qz-on-saum If you or others wish to discuss it, feel free to start another thread. http//s020.radikal.ru/i718/1403/5b/713e9351d487.jpg http//s020.radikal.ru/i709/1403/2b/52d9708f5c26.jpg
  • Consecutive 'ashur' and the duration of fasting?

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    Doesn't make sense. When it says 'when the restricted months have passed (insalakh) it means consecutively, because that word means 'to skin', which you would do one layer, than the next, till you get to the inner most part of whatever you are skinning hence the term consecutively.
  • My islamic calendar

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    Salaam 95 So when the restricted months have passed, then you may kill the polytheists wherever you find them, and take them, and surround them, and stand against them at every point. If they repent, and they hold the contact prayer, and they contribute towards purification, then you shall leave them alone. God is Forgiving, Merciful. 928 O you who believe, the polytheists are impure, so let them not approach the Restricted Temple after this year of theirs; and if you fear poverty, then God will enrich you from His blessings if He wills. God is Knowledgeable, Wise. unless Allah changed opinion between 9-5 and 9-28, seems thats delay of the "restricted months" equal a year. i recall that four ashor haral are (first full moon after autum, equinox, the 4th full moon, and the 7th full moon, and the 10 th full month). Theory of "consecutive Ashor haram" have to explain how four months=one year i recall also that hajj is used by quran as period of time to mean trimester (Moses duration of work with his step father 8 hojjaj or ten). Peace from Ismael
  • Ramadan, summer/autumn, laylatil qadr/autumn equinox.

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    Well, I believe the summer solstice to be the correct one, if you look at the ramadan thread ayman started, go to page 238, the one where pazazu comments, and you will see his arguments as to why it's the summer solstice and not the equinox.
  • How Does the traditional Hijri Lunar Calendar work on 7 days = week?

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    It's a mess... laugh
  • Mathematical Approach and Finding the Proportion of Addition

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    LOL! as you say.... Do as you see fit dude. Peace, R.
  • Ramadan

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    Peace, Try this, it may help you inshaAllah. May Allah's peace and blessing be upon you pr mmKhan
  • ~ Another representation of Natural Calendar / Natural counting of Days

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    Thank you for shaing this Peace
  • How to determine Months according to Brother Noon waalqalami ?

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    salam wakas and ayman even in singular form of 2-217, it can be a generic expression for each shahr haram Peace Salam Noshirk, Correct in your understanding , al-shahr al-haram ( inviolable month ) in 2217 even in singular form it's pointing to the four inviolable months not only one month , this form and meaning is similar to the word al-malak singular of al-malaayikah (plural ) the singular form is used in 6917 and 8922 but it still mean al-malayika as a group , there is another similar form or way when the plural meaning is understood through the singular form in arabic you can see that in the word as al-maskyin the singular of al-masaakyin ( plural ) , the singular form is used in 1073 and 7444 and 6934 but it is evident that the talk in that verse is not talking about one singular ,particular maskyin (1 poor man ) but instead it mean the poor men's in general ( any poor man ) this form and meaning is similar to the form and meaning of al-shahr al-haram ( the inviolable month ) in 2217 , the meaning is all the inviolable months Salam
  • Fast Poll

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    Peace Brother Ayman Although your inputs are very few on this forum but always educative, informative and worth pondering. I don not remember when exactly I joined this forum but must be 13 to 15 years before but I still remember when my first input on this forum was corrected by you, and the way you corrected me regarding the translation error, became the cause of respect for you, and cemented a place in my heart. I am waiting anxiously for your latest article which is in the process of translation from Arabic to English. May Allah keep you in the path of learning and teaching and propagating the truth, which ultimately benefits all. Thanks
  • The Twelve Months Breakdown

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    peace ak, Your own original objection still stands if you use "number" in 936. Please explain why in your understanding your own objection is removed. The number of full moons the day Allah had created the heavens and the earth are thousands of millions not only twelve , since i start to notice from when i i was child up to date i have witnessed hundreds of full moon This Logic doesn't fit at all with the verse 936 and the other verse , simply because Al-Chohour and Chahr in the Qur'an are words used to mean period of times , those period of time are known and determined by Full Moon sign not themselves are called full Moon , I have not studied the words for count, so thanks for the info. However, based on the evidence you have presented I'm not convinced. Also the words in 1712 (3adad) and 936 (3iddat) are different. Well ! there are a lot of inconsistency i'll post my comparative thoughts in the main thread so we may come closer to the correct counting Please do so, but be very clear and accurate. Thanks. And in case you do not know my view, I think shahr meaning full-moon is a strong possibility, but I'm not convinced. I have not really conducted my own analysis however.
  • Should we be celebrating eid? What is the real Eid if any?

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    Salam Thanks for all your responses. Very kind. You are highlighting however quite an important issue though if your brother is pushing you to accept something as compulsory when its not stated as such, this is detrimental. So many practices in the Muslim community are done out of an obsession that it is compulsory, including ethnic cultural practices. Allowing this kind of attitude to foster only causes more problems in future. I'm sorry I don't know anything about your circumstances, but if this is a regular thing (and I suspect it is, given the community in the UK's stereotypical attitude to these things), the only way you can really combat it is to surround yourself with like minded people, and that might mean moving from your current location. I think this is indeed an option Mike I have considered moving to Canada my best friend emigrated there a few years ago ,she follows the Sikh beliefs with monotheist views. She would never stand against my faith or sway me of my path and that i know. Ive been to visit her a few times now and have today Canada is a very tolerant place and people just don't judge you or harass you for your beliefs or what you wear or anything. I am seriously considering it. I also worked for a Canadian firm previously and the people again where very very nice n tolerant. Zulf - I had the same thoughts and did in the end send my son with my bro tithe mosque but I had a chat with my son who's 11 and asked him toke his focus on worshiping allay alone and some ayats he can repeat. I do hope my brother can begin to verify through quran but he has many Egyptian friends and is a product of the Pakistani Sunni beliefs mixed with Egyptian beliefs but he is not very religious but just does the rituals like a sheep.anyway may Allah grant us wisdom and guide us all to his straight path. To Emigrate in the way of Allah is actually a blessing and the more I think about it the more I thinking will work towards this goal. Cheers and peace A
  • Ramadan

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    Peace All, Me and my husband fasted for 3 nights starting on the night of the full moon following the longest day in June. We fasted when the thin light of day was distinguishable from the dark of night until night time ie from sundown to nighttime. That constituted approximately 1 hour and 15 minutes. Our fast was a word fast. I can assure you a word fast is far more difficult than a food fast even for 75 minutes. The word fast actually allowed us to think. It allowed us to enter into quietness. Dawn. Thanks for sharing your experience, Dawn. So your fast was from actual sunset to the time when the night is at it's darkest. I have not come across this interpretation but it's given me something to consider.
  • Traditional Ramadan?

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    Peace Quran only give the meaning of maghrib and layl in general term, but for more specific ways, like counting 1/2, 20-30 minutes etc, it's more better if we still counting the proper hisab from country autharities. Like me, I still depending on normal adzan as a sign for knowing when is subh, ashar, isya' etc.
  • 2 Ramadan Questions

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    Salaamun alaykum, Aamer, God does not define the night and the day only in terms of darkness and light, but also says that night is for rest and day is to seek God's bounties (e.g., 1712, 2873). My understanding is that in high latitudes, where during summer there can be light well into the night, the day in fact ends/the night starts well before the sunset, and in winter the day may last well into the darkness (in Northern latitudes, in Southern latitudes the opposite). Nothing in the Quran says anything about smoking. On the other hand, you might want to consider stopping anyway - it's better for your health. Salaam, Milan (former smoker)
  • Ramadan is dangerous for muslim countries

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    Peace Man of Faith, I was referring to the post you were agreeing with and saying that this view is not uncommon on the forum. I can't go and check through all the posts by various members but what noshirk said was of a particular view point - and this view point has been addressed on this forum. Plus, I was not saying that you were ruling out Ramadan as a month of fasting in any case. This isn't a big issue though. You should practice Ramadan how you see it best and I will research and practice the way I see best - same with everyone. Its good if we all think for ourselves, with Allah's swt guidance, maybe the Quran is meant to allow us to have our individuality. There is nothing in the Quran that says you must all agree on everything unanimously! and so on. Have a good Ramadan
  • The Seasonal Problem and the Solution

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    I think that I need to clarify that I did not mean that God guarantees complete equity amongst the people of the world. After all, this would mean that the Earth would just be a giant space-station. It is quite clear that God has left to the world, meaning the universe, to its devices and freedom with only religious writings to help guide us to the true path. Thus, there would be natural inequalities due to the variety that this freedom can provide. For example, it is harder to find food in a desert as opposed to a forest. I know you did not mean that, but I was alluding to location, i.e. where we are born, which we have no control over. This is a difference we all have to deal with.
  • Making sense out of verses 2:183 to 188

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    We should ask ourselves how we can get closer to God through fasting. One way, as per my experience, is that we should pray alot and ask God for forgiveness and help. It is CRUCIAL and IMPERATIVE that we admit and realize that we are indeed HELPLESS and LOST without God's guidance and mercy. It doesn't matter who we are and what we have achieved in life, we are still helpless. It is not easy for the shaytanic ego to accept this. The ego will resist and insist that "we can take care of ourselves". We cannot. If we can really realize this it would be wonderful. Only intellectual understanding is useless. You can quote the entire wisdom of the world and still not get it. You may understand it, intellectually, but it won't be real to you. Also, when I say 'pray', I exclude all choreographed physical movements and habitual/ritual/automatic recitation of mantras/ayahs/words/spells/formulas/whatever. I talk about dua-style, an actual talk directed at God, words with meaning and intention. I don't expect my knees or elbows, nor someone else's ready-made script, to improve my spiritual level or to communicate with God for me. Pray means pray. cheers Peace Zulf, I would also like to say I really agree with this. Especially the last part about using our own words and not a ritualistic approach. I just wrote about this on a thread by Mayass. All the prayers of the Prophets, believers and so on are heartfelt words and very personal and that helps our personal relationship with Allah swt.
  • Is a word fast viable?

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    I agree. Fasting in the sense of not speaking sounds very impractical... especially for a longer period of time, and especially when we live in societies. Abstaining from food n drink affects us, but abstaining from talk affects our surrounding. Also, what about that verse that says something along the line that "therefor I will not talk to anyone". Isn't that verse telling us(or whomever) to SAY that???
  • Some misconceptions about Ramadan amongst Muslims

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    Some random observations and remarks Based on my experience in discussions etc Muslims often cite various reasons for abstinence but as far as I know there is only one reason given in Quran and that is so that we may attain/develop taqwa (God-conciousness, conscientiousness, piety, righteousness, forethoughtfulness). O you who believe, the abstinence has been decreed for you as it was decreed for those before you, so you may have taqwa. Just using our so called common sense, we'll understand that this must be THE reason. How could anything else ever come even remotely near in importance, to us getting closer to God (whatever that actually means)? Vast majority of Muslims begin their abstinence at the time of Fajr prayer, usually according to a timetable (obtained from their local Mosque, or perhaps online). At the time of Fajr prayer given on these timetables, it is usually still pitch black outside. To begin one's fast at this time is incorrect. According to Quran the correct start-time is from morning twilight, i.e. when the first white-ish light appears on the horizon - at this point in time it is not pitch black. ...And you may eat and drink until the white thread is distinct from the black thread of dawn... The reason why Muslims use the time of Fajr prayer for start-time of fast is because this was a common practice from long ago when the call to prayer was made for Fajr prayer people needed enough time to stop eating/drinking, do ablutions then get to the local Mosque and have enough time to complete the Fajr prayer. This is discussed in Traditional sources and "scholars", some even say it is ok to continue eating/drinking after the first call to prayer. Interestingly, this common practice has become so prevalent that the vast majority of Muslims are under the impression it is a law to begin one's fast at the time Fajr prayer period begins, and to do so otherwise could invalidate one's fast, even after you show the Quran verse to them. Personally, I find this an excellent example to discuss, as it demonstrates people following man-made sources over clear Quran verses. I find that people operate and get motivated mostly by fear, unconsciously. I see people who think they've ruined or lost the fast if they exceed the common time limits even a little. I have also seen people insisting that you put something in the mouth exactly when the adhan starts.. i.e. you must not delay at all once the adhan starts. I find this view of things rather extreme, unnatural and fearful. But it is understandable though, since it, like most things, is culturally induced. Muslims tend to think fasting/abstinence is obligatory when a child reaches puberty. However, it is only obligatory when one reaches puberty, is of sound judgement (e.g. capable of managing their own affairs) and considers themselves to be or they wish to be a mumin/believer. Well, either we believe that we, and only we, are responsible for our own deeds, or we start mixing things up with responsibilities, rewards, benefits, punishments etc. Intercession anyone? Basically we have a deep rooted illusion that each of us is not responsible for what happens to us... that we are victims to outer circumstances and hence disempowered. See the connection, or am I being to brief and cryptic? Muslims often cite the alleged health benefits of abstinence, and whilst there are some, there can also negative impacts on health. Feel free to research this. There are many positive things, and negative things, with everything we can do. It is normal to look for support and promote one's own belief and point of view. This goes for anything. I was once told by an acupuncturist that one benefit with the prostration during namaz is that our hands and fingers end up being place on certain important acupoints above the knees. Although this is correct, it doesn't say anything about the method of namaz. Many Muslims think their prayers and good deeds are multiplied more so at this time of year than at other times. To my knowledge, Quran says no such thing (?). It does mention the night of decree but not explicitly in that context. Interestingly, it is common for Muslims to be "extra good" at this time, e.g. doing more prayers, not swearing etc than at other times of year. Interestingly, to act in such a manner could bring into question one's sincerity in faith. People like to engage in wishful thinking mixed with fables. Hence all the stories about extra credit received when doing this or that. I cannot understand why we would receive more reward at certain astronomical times than others. This is the same as saying we would receive LESS reward, for the same acts, at certain (most) astronomical times. Just doesn't make any sense. We reap what we sow.