Quranic Divinity

The verse in question, after a little research clearly says that we should separate from not beat our wives. after all the whole theme of the context is reconciliation in marriage, which is contrary to beating your wife. This is a good place to start http//www.quran434.com/wife-beating-islam.html To my knowledge it is the only understanding to provide perfect internal coherence with regard to Quran.

The Quran claims that you should ask Allah for forgiveness of sins. Yet at the same time, the Quran endorses asking Muhammad to ask Allah on your behalf for forgiveness. This is not monotheism but polytheism. Quran, 464 We sent not a messenger, but to be obeyed, in accordance with the will of Allah. If they had only, when they were unjust to themselves, COME UNTO THEE AND ASKED ALLAH'S FORGIVENESS, and the Messenger had asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah indeed Oft-returning, Most Merciful. Conclusion of this verse Ask Muhammad to ask Allah for forgiveness. Muhammad asks forgiveness for you. Now Allah will forgive you. This is clear cut polytheism, I can't just ask Allah directly, I have to involve Muhammad in the picture. I don't doubt the sincerity of Quran alone Muslims, however this verse has serious theological and doctrinal problems. Ah, you caught me out, I'm a polytheist. Now what?

The Qur'an, and even your interpretation of it is, is the "word of God", yet just because the Qur'an says something a certain way, does not mean the certain way you understand it (which is also the will of Allah) is necessarily correct. In other words, you are imagining those things mean a certain thing a certain way, that is where the imagining comes in. If the Qur'an said a bumpy surface is "flat" then why would you take the oddest possible interpretation of that which defies everything? Simply take a cruise ship and you'll find that the Earth is round. What is flat is your "vision", really, its just a flat layer isn't it? Same for me, I just see information, even the impression of depth is information. This of course won't make sense perhaps to people who think that if the Qur'an says "and the sky impregnated the Earth" it literally means the Sky is a man impregnating the Earth. For goodness sakes! Pagan ignorance if there ever was!

The Qur'an is "for" any moment that it is "for" as determined by God. The Qur'an is not for "all time" as in "any time" as is clearly demonstrated by it not apparently existing during the period just before it existed, and then again it doesn't exist in the lives of many people even to this day. There is no "time" really, and the Qur'an is just a creation of Allah that makes an appearance in some lives of people, causing benefit or harm to them as part of their stories. There may be some realities, even that seem to participate in this same world of ours, where the Qur'an has no part or existence for the experiencers involved. Therefor it can be said it is not "for" them. The Qur'an is only "for" those that Allah puts it "for", and then either makes it a cause of guidance or misguidance. Allah does what Allah wills. The answer to all questions. Whatever you encounter in your life has been determined "for" you. There may be an experience where there is no Qur'an in existence at all. We are grateful for the Good News and guidance of the Qur'an and hope that it is the truth and that we do good and attain good.

He can be a bit sarcastic in certain situations, but imagine yourself the pressure on him with all the opposition when he countered the clergy and fanatical sectarians. I admire his calm despite the situations in there. However, he was never saying anything which was not absolutely true even though he was blunt, and he saved his harsh words for those who really were hypocrites. If you understand his parables all the time you notice more hidden sarcasm from his part, or rather the Father since he said "my words are not my own but of the one who sent me". Be well Qur'an can be like that too, at least the mainstream translations, a bit sarcastic seeming at times.

I'm a born Muslim and I've believed in the Qur'an my whole life but I recently came across "The Skeptic Annotated Qur'an" which just f**ked me over. This website really gave me the creeps and I really don't know what to say. They have so many powerful arguments, not just one or two to be interpreted differently. They list out numerous contradictions and absurdities in the Qur'an which forms just a very long list. It pretty much goes against the Islamic claim that the Qur'an is free from contradictions (and even paradoxes) and that it is completely compatible with science. I tried searching for answers that refuted these Skeptics but I couldn't find anything. This has been nagging at the back of my head for a long time. I really haven't lost faith in my religion and in my book, but that's simply because I'm too afraid to and because of my instincts. I hope someone will clear this up for me! I read those, many of them seems arbitrary, silly, or totally false. What I recommend is reading the Qur'an and making your own Skeptic Annotations. You can find multiple translations at www.islamawakened.com/quran. It might be difficult to access that website though now since you're no longer alive.

Peace Nonmushrik. There is no compulsion in "deen" You are free to choose any religion you want. But please be aware that religious leaders whether in Judaism, Christianity , Traditional Islam or any other sect/religion...have created laws/doctrines/rules that have never been authorised by GOD. GOD want us to be a "true Muslim" to HIM( no gender...) Alone ,not "Muslims to religious leaders... There is another challenge we all need to take up, finding the truth. Using our eyes.ears and brain to verify everything ourselves. Giving links/websites...are opinions of others that need to be checked,like for example https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4VRR5OCOQU Double check all information, nobody is responsible for another . GOD bless you. Peace.

Embarrass themselves over what? Salaam

If you have doubt about the Qur'an, why not you seek help to your Creator by praying to Him sincerely? Why not invoke Allah with humbly to guide you and to help you?

Salamun alaik truthseeker11, I intend to stop replying on circular discussions. But perhaps in your last message there are a couple of points I could respond to. Since you continue to use evasive maneuvers I will have to rephrase my question to leave you no wiggle room The current text of al-quran, in its entirety, is the truth. Is this premise true? I am not using any evasive maneuvers. I am just using the ?cet. par.? type of disclosure that is required to qualify any statement. For example, let me ask you this question ?The sun rises in the East? - Is this premise true? Hope now you?ll understand why one cannot provide an unqualified ?True/False? certification to any statement. The meaning of any statement in human language is subject to the reader?s understanding. Are you 100% certain "That is the book - no doubt in it" refers to the CURRENT text of al-quran? IMO that verse refers to the original al-quran preserved in "lawh mahfouz" (8522) For me "That is the book - no doubt in it" is the methodology to read and understand from the CURRENT text of al-quran. I am convinced that if one approaches the CURRENT text of al-quran with pure intensions upholding his God-gifted intellect and conscience he will be able to derive the right guidance and there is no doubt about it. What if someone inserted a few man made verses in al-quran many years after its revelation? This later text will still have "That is the book - no doubt in it", but by following the methodology of "only when we accept that there is no doubt in al-quran", you will accept the later text containing some falsehoods without any doubt, which will lead to acceptance of some falsehoods as the truth. Hence this methodology is flawed. Yes good questions here. This is how it is for me ? My Master has made the CURRENT text of al-quran available to me ? and I have personally found it to be an adequate guide. That?s all that matters to me. Even if I were born in Prophet Muhammad?s time and heard the verses of Qur?an from him first hand, I could still ask these questions ? What if Muhammad is making it up? What if Muhammad inserted few of his own statement in it? What if angel Gabriel inserted few of his own statement in it? Etc. etc. So the doubt of the doubters who demand ?external verification of authenticity? can never be satisfied until the God and angels appear from behind the clouds. So, wait for that to happen, if that's what you want. The companions of the Prophet had the challenge whether they would accept the text brought by the Prophet as divine based on exercise of their own intellect and conscience ? I too have the same challenge whether I would accept the text available to me as divine based on exercise of my own intellect and conscience. I am applying the same methodology to evaluate the authenticity of Qur?an that I would have done if I were at the time of Muhammad (pbuh). I am evaluating it myself using my own intellect and conscience which I consider to be my direct obligation to my Master. I am on my personal journey in discovering the Qur?an and up until now I am fully convinced that the CURRENT text of al-quran contains right guidance to those who are conscious. May Allah guide us all to the straight route. Regards, Arman

Salaam everyone, Imagine there's a lake, this lake hidden deep within a forest, this forest filled with fruits and thorns. The Quran is the shore surrounding the lake, the forest is the sunnah that exists in the world that leads to the lake - in hadith, in minds, in tradtions the thorns are the false hadith, the misquotes, the false prophets, all the error that stands in the path. Allah is the light and creator of the lake and the forest and the metaphor and my computer and so on. I was trapped in a prison in virginia as a juvenile, had been raised in a muslim family but was a hardcore follower of scientism (the idea that science has the final say in truth and reality) All I had was a Quran and a few simple suras memorized. I studied the arabic alphabet and then would stare for hours at a single side by side english arabic translation. Going back and forth between the memorized sound, the forms of the letters I now knew, and the meaning in english. (I began doing my 5 prayers and even fasted one ramadan) Few years later I was released and totally abandoned what I had come to love and know. The very root meaning of the word Kufr (ka fa ra - to cover up/conceal/reject) in exchange for the pleasures of friendship that I had before incarceration. Inevitably those pleasures died just as the growth the tiller loves turns to dust. Now I sit with the yusuf ali translation and everytime there's something ambiguous I first find the verse on the corpus quran site. Then I find the word and I find the root letters (there given at the top of the page when you choose a specific word) From there I go to this http//www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm I know they have an app on some devices. I cannot stress the importance of deeds. Scholarship is beautiful, but I have found my path opened and drawing nearer through righteous action. May Allah guide us all, and make our paths open and clear, and increase us in knowledge, and destroy falsehood, and allow us islam and the path of the prophet. May we be granted yaqeen (certainty). May we die with laillaha in our hearts and minds and tongues. (it may be helpful to know the word "hadith" simply means talk. What talk will you believe in?) ameen

Salam All, And it is not for any human being that ALLAH should speak to him except by revelation or from behind a partition or that He sends a messenger to reveal, by His permission, what He wills. Indeed, He is Most High and Wise. So out of the 3 ways of revelation that the Quran was send down to the Prophet Muhammad were 1) Revelation - send down by Jibril and 2) by sending a Messenger Mikaal. Prophet Musa received from behind a partition. Peace

Yes pay attention to what people post instead of being infatuated with your stupid tables. )

Salaam, Thanks for sharing all these old copies. Good information. )

Historians glorify lies. Prof. Mourad's biography http//sophia.smith.edu/~smourad/Introduction.htm My adviser/professor studied in Columbia university and Yale. He wrote tons of papers that are hard to understand, but look all wise and credible. But during his lectures, he showed his iq level. He thinks Google spies on him through adsense and Duck Duck Go is free of biases and inspiration from Google.

LOL, he admitted that the docs were not contradicting Quran. There was no variation in meanings. Only the Surahs were not put in traditional order. That is not even a matter of surprise. Order variation does not have anything to do with corruption. But I think he didn't even touch a Quran. Apparently, his line Indeed, evidence from the Koran, finalized at a much later time, shows that its central theological tenets were influenced by a pre-Nicean, Syrian Christianity smells more like he was reading Hadith books which say that Allah made humans in his own image. But I truly wonder if sana manuscript came from 7th 8th century. The docs were discovered in 1972. Yemeni president handed them over to Puin in 1977. Such a big gap in years? Why? Yemen, just like majority of the Muslim countries believe that Quran interpretation must be done mainly by the scholars. Then why on earth the president handed them over to a western person who sounded more like a hater of Islam? The funniest thing is that the study of this manuscripts was sponsored by German government. The entire story of how it came to Puin is laughable at best. The ignorant laborers gathered up the manuscripts, pressed them carelessly into some 20 potato sacks, and set them aside on the staircase of one of the Mosque?s minarets, where they were locked away. The manuscripts would have been forgotten once again, were it not for Qadhi Isma?il al-Akwa, then the President of Yemeni Antiquities Authority, who realized the potential importance of the find. Al-Akwa sought international assistance in examining and preserving the fragments, because no scholar in his country was capable of working on this rich find. In 1977, he managed to interest a visiting non-Muslim German scholar, who in turn persuaded the German government to organize and find a restoration project.Moreover, these manuscripts are written in a script that originates from the Hijaz?the region of Arabia where prophet Muhammad lived, which makes them not only the oldest to have survived, but one of the earliest authentic copies of the Quran ever. Hijazi Arabic is the script (Makkan or Madinan), in which the earliest Quran was written. So Arabic scholars who knew Quran far better than Puin were not capable of studying the manuscripts? Something unique is found near one of the oldest mosques, yet all the rich middle eastern countries show no interest in sponsoring the study? What about Saudi Arabia since Hijaz falls in this country? Lesson from the entire story If you find an ancient Greek manuscript somewhere in Greece, don't keep it in Europe. Instead hand it over to an Urdu speaking scholar from Pakistan for research. He wont understand a thing, but hey we still must hold all his findings as truth because he is a scholar -\

I may have expressed myself badly, No, perhaps it's me, sorry. but I was not mentioning life before the soul. Yes, I understand, and I wasn't either. What I think is that before I was born, my soul may already exist (already made). Considering that Allah is All-Just, I have thought that before I was born, maybe I've been given the choice whether I'm willing to undergo the worldly life or not. I also have thought that my soul may have agreed to make a strong agreement (contract) with my Creator which include the rule that I should be loyal (faithful) to Him during my live in this world, something like that I suppose. I think that I should be loyal to my Lord, no matter where I live. Salm.

Here is a good link http//www.islam-and-muslims.com/islamic-books-online.html

Peace, This obey Messenger-thing is one of the most abused arguments. So easy to claim something is from God and then attribute it to a Messenger who merely called to Faith and for people to be good while establishing a system of Justice and sound Judgement. The Book (Quran) gives clear examples of what the Messengers did and they all had the same mission. Act as warners, deliverers of good news to show that God is still around for those who believe, that they strengthen their Faith and to admonish those who are hypocrites. That they performed "miracles"/signs is just a testament on its own. Through the Grace of God they executed the. And The Book is also clear that the Message is very simple; plainly put by pure belief and being good. That is echoed throughout the whole book many times. God gives many analogies and narrations from the past but it all falls down on the same agenda of God to boost our inclination to believe and thus also be in the service of God by establishing His system as mentioned above. Hence I could also be regarded as being a Messenger by telling you this, but I am okay being one of the men and women of Faith. God bless you

careful on this site it's full of misleaders who just want to destory an organized religion and feel like they acomplished something. my favorite surah for 6 years has been surah 9 and i wouldn't wonder why muslims don't speak openly about it or begin in the name of ALLAH. it scares people so some of the translated wish to hide that fact that it's from ALLAH so they don't end up looking like trouble stirrers and such. so from this even though i wonder as well i'll say it's from ALLAH begin with bismillah yet i even have question about some of the titles but ALLAH will answer such questions in due time.