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A Question About Jinns

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    MUNZIR_ALI
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    I hope you were younger that 8, would be painful at that age.

    I was circumsized when I was 7 years old! muscle

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      Rev_John
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      I'd just read Waris Dirie's Desert Flower so of course I said no. I think she said it out of jest cos I was remarking that he was getting tons of money for all the pain. She was circumcised 'a little' as a baby and didn't think it was a huge deal.

      If she was a baby, she wouldn't remember. I have read about the "full" circumcision of women. It is barbaric, outdated, and pagan.

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        MUNZIR_ALI
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        If she was a baby, she wouldn't remember. I have read about the "full" circumcision of women. It is barbaric, outdated, and pagan.

        yes it is! brickwall

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          srotu
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          Definitely... another strike to the Sunnis, the prophet Muhammad apparently said in a hadith that cutting off 'a little' is okay nope

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            Rev_John
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            Definitely... another strike to the Sunnis, the prophet Muhammad apparently said in a hadith that cutting off 'a little' is okay nope

            From what I have been told (I may be wrong) the prophet did not say anything in a hadith, they were made up after his death.

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              srotu
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              Well, hadiths are full of doo-doo anyway but for the sake of ah research

              "When you circumcise then do not cut severely, since that is better for her and more pleasing to the husband." (Reported by Abu Dawud and Al-Baihaqee and declared Hasan by Shaikh Al-Albani)

              Also, one of those ask-an-imam sort of sites http//www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503543886

              Seriously, wtf.

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                nsws1988
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                From what I have been told (I may be wrong) the prophet did not say anything in a hadith, they were made up after his death.

                bravo

                He wasn't allowed to either from what I understand from these verses...

                Had he uttered any other teachings - We would have punished him - We would have stopped the revelations to him (644-46)

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                  Bosnian_Thinker
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                  bravo

                  He wasn't allowed to either from what I understand from these verses...

                  Had he uttered any other teachings - We would have punished him - We would have stopped the revelations to him (644-46)

                  Of course, you can show evidence like this to the Sunnis and Shi'ites but most of them won't listen.

                  Peace peace

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                    MUNZIR_ALI
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                    bravo

                    He wasn't allowed to either from what I understand from these verses...

                    Had he uttered any other teachings - We would have punished him - We would have stopped the revelations to him (644-46)

                    bravo

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                      Rev_John
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                      bravo

                      I am quite sure that no one who believes that God is love would condone the mutilation of women (or men for that matter)

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                        MUNZIR_ALI
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                        I am quite sure that no one who believes that God is love would condone the mutilation of women (or men for that matter)

                        handshake bravo

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                          Rami
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                          I am quite sure that no one who believes that God is love would condone the mutilation of women (or men for that matter)

                          But isn't male circumcision mandated by YHVH in His Torah??

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                            No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                            bravo

                            He wasn't allowed to either from what I understand from these verses...

                            Correct.

                            Had he uttered any other teachings - We would have punished him - We would have stopped the revelations to him (644-46)

                            Inaccurate/erronous translation, plus you gave a wrong citation.

                            6943 A revelation from the Lord of the worlds
                            6944 And if he had ascribed his sayings/anything falsely to Us

                            6945 We would have seized him by the right
                            6946 Then, We would have severed his life-line
                            6947 None of you would be able to prevent it

                            6948 This is a reminder for the righteous
                            6949 We know that some of you are deniers
                            6950 And that it is a distress for the rejecters

                            6951 It is the absolute truth

                            I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                              nsws1988
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                              Correct.

                              Inaccurate/erronous translation, plus you gave a wrong citation.

                              6943 A revelation from the Lord of the worlds
                              6944 And if he had ascribed his sayings/anything falsely to Us

                              6945 We would have seized him by the right
                              6946 Then, We would have severed his life-line
                              6947 None of you would be able to prevent it

                              6948 This is a reminder for the righteous
                              6949 We know that some of you are deniers
                              6950 And that it is a distress for the rejecters

                              6951 It is the absolute truth

                              Which translation do you have and what makes it correct?

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                                No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                                Which translation do you have and what makes it correct?

                                You've used Rashad Khalifa's translation and concerning these verses it is inaccurate AKA bad. Just compare his with the other ones on www.quranix.net

                                I'm not saying that his is overall bad, to the contrary, I think it is one of the best, but sometimes/many times it just isnt literal/good.

                                I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                                  nsws1988
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                                  You've used Rashad Khalifa's translation and concerning these verses it is inaccurate AKA bad. Just compare his with the other ones on www.quranix.net

                                  I'm not saying that his is overall bad, to the contrary, I think it is one of the best, but sometimes/many times it just isnt literal/good.

                                  No offense but do you think RK is a messenger? If so, you think he can't translate the Quran properly? hmm

                                  I only used that because it is the Progressive Muslims translation too according to submission.org.

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                                    No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                                    No offense but do you think RK is a messenger? If so, you think he can't translate the Quran properly? hmm

                                    I only used that because it is the Progressive Muslims translation too according to submission.org.

                                    rotfl

                                    Misconception Rashad Khalifa was infallible.
                                    Truth Rashad Khalifa was fallible

                                    Fact the translation of those verses is not literal.
                                    Check other ones. The literal translation brings across the message way better.

                                    Fact orignially, he only wanted to translate the Quran for his family and himself, because he saw distortions in traditional translations - he wanted to make a monotheist translation - not a sectarian/traditionalist one. Then he discovered the numerical pattern.

                                    Peace

                                    I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                                      Rev_John
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                                      But isn't male circumcision mandated by YHVH in His Torah??

                                      No. Only for the Jews. It does say about the "uncircumcised" being welcomed

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                                        Rami
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                                        No. Only for the Jews. It does say about the "uncircumcised" being welcomed

                                        From a pure Torah perspective, what is the obligations of the other nations in order to be blessed?

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                                          Rev_John
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                                          From a pure Torah perspective, what is the obligations of the other nations in order to be blessed?

                                          To believe in the one true God and adhere to his laws

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