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An article about Allah.

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    huruf
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    A word is what anybody's understanding can make of it. You cannot teach nor change nor do anything to instil any meaning of any word into a person without that person having experienced the necessary at whatever level to realise the meaning you want to transmit. That is, whatever you want to transmit will adjust to what the person is capable of perceiving and therefore receiving.

    Allah, God, Dios, whatever is what the receiver can make of it. By itself is nothing. Allah, God, Dios, whatever, has been transmited as the vehicle for a concept of spiritual knowledge which is very, very, very wide, from the most base and elementary understanding of origin of being to the most developped and visionary and experienced knowledge of divine inspiration and vision.

    Torturing a word will not make it speak louder nor clearer. It has nothing to confess, but the hearts of the people are the ones that know its meaningin whatever measure.

    Salaam

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      Peace.
      Sister huruf ,I like what you say here,quote
      Torturing a word will not make it speak louder nor clearer. It has nothing to confess, but the hearts of the people are the ones that know its meaning in whatever measure.

      It seems some topics here are repeating the "torture" again and again,with no gain whatsoever to anyone.

      And sometimes we think we can make words speak louder and clearer by using a bigger font size? or highlight the colour? where in fact it is just "double torture"!!!!

      Our words run out quite quickly and we keep repeating the same old boring stuff.

      The word "Allah" has been discussed to death,until it became" There is no god"!!!!!

      Anyway ,a word of warning,if the meaning of the word "Allah"carries on being discussed ,it might disappear altogether ,then there will be no god?
      Do you think the forum will still function? Silly I know,like wanting to know what "Allah" means?
      GOD bless.
      Peace.

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        The_Sardar
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        Peace.

        The word "Allah" has been discussed to death,until it became" There is no god"!!!!!

        Anyway ,a word of warning,if the meaning of the word "Allah"carries on being discussed ,it might disappear altogether ,then there will be no god?
        Do you think the forum will still function? Silly I know,like wanting to know what "Allah" means?
        GOD bless.
        Peace.

        Sounds like atheistic influence being infecting the minds. No offense to atheists by the way.

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          huruf
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          Peace.
          Sister huruf ,I like what you say here,quote
          Torturing a word will not make it speak louder nor clearer. It has nothing to confess, but the hearts of the people are the ones that know its meaning in whatever measure.

          It seems some topics here are repeating the "torture" again and again,with no gain whatsoever to anyone.

          And sometimes we think we can make words speak louder and clearer by using a bigger font size? or highlight the colour? where in fact it is just "double torture"!!!!

          Our words run out quite quickly and we keep repeating the same old boring stuff.

          The word "Allah" has been discussed to death,until it became" There is no god"!!!!!

          Anyway ,a word of warning,if the meaning of the word "Allah"carries on being discussed ,it might disappear altogether ,then there will be no god?
          Do you think the forum will still function? Silly I know,like wanting to know what "Allah" means?
          GOD bless.
          Peace.

          If it follows the patterns of human behaviour what will happen is that a new word will be introduced or invented to take the place of the word "God", we know what happens with euphemisms and today particularly. starting witht he acronymsand follwwing with the "promotion" of everything without thanging anything, we will find some "Existence Coordinator" "Executif Chief of Universal Being", or whatever. ?Real, real fun!

          Salaam

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            good_logic
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            Yes indeed huruf, call "him..." Allah,Al-Rahman,GOD, The Principal Co-ordinator...You will never run out of names. Does it really matter?

            Perhaps "Allah" is worth more credits than the other names?I have known this to be said and other daft irrelevant nonsense!!!

            GOD bless you.
            Peace.

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              The_Sardar
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              Salam everyone i found this post which 9 years old which im currently reading https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16710.0

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                The_Sardar
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                I noticed in some verses in the Quran the word Allah is missing it's alif for example this verse

                2165

                The ones with alif is the one marked brown & those without the alif is marked green.

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                  huruf
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                  I noticed in some verses in the Quran the word Allah is missing it's alif for example this verse

                  2165

                  The ones with alif is the one marked brown & those without the alif is marked green.

                  The green are possessive construction.

                  Salaam

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                    The_Sardar
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                    The green are possessive construction.

                    Salaam

                    Possessive construction? ???

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                      The green are possessive construction.

                      Salaam

                      Salaam huruf

                      The words in red are "lillahi" where "li" is harf e jar meaning "for". It is a "jaar majroor" construction. A possessive construction is like "kitab ullahi".

                      @Sardar

                      The attachment of "li" with the word Allah removes the letter alif and make it "Lillahi" which means "for Allah".

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                        The_Sardar
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                        @Sardar

                        The attachment of "li" with the word Allah removes the letter alif and make it "Lillahi" which means "for Allah".

                        I noticed i found this from this post about Allah being a common noun https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16710.0

                        By the way what do you think about the article in the first page about the term Allah? Here is the link from the first page http//ahleaqal.blogspot.se/2017/05/the-linguistic-analysis-of-term-allah.html

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                          Salaam Sardar

                          Quote "This term is a compound of words,." unquote

                          So as per this quote the word Allah means "THERE IS NOTHING FOR HIM" Lets see how it fits in the following term

                          323 ...... .......

                          So which translation of this verse make sense

                          They are called to book of Allah
                          or
                          They are called to book of THERE IS NOTHING FOR HIM

                          Regards

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                            The_Sardar
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                            Salaam Sardar

                            Quote "This term is a compound of words,." unquote

                            So as per this quote the word Allah means "THERE IS NOTHING FOR HIM" Lets see how it fits in the following term

                            323 ...... .......

                            So which translation of this verse make sense

                            They are called to book of Allah
                            or
                            They are called to book of THERE IS NOTHING FOR HIM

                            Regards

                            Obviously the one i marked yellow.

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                              The_Sardar
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                              So what do you think of this article brother of Mankind Novice, do you think this person have valid points in his article or is he/she going off track?

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                                Obviously the one i marked yellow.

                                Brother Sardar do you still have to ask me about the article. You just rejected his meanings of the word Allah.

                                Regards

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                                  Brother Sardar do you still have to ask me about the article. You just rejected his meanings of the word Allah.

                                  Regards

                                  Well i wondered what you thought rest of the article..sorry -[

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                                    Well i wondered what you thought rest of the article..sorry -[

                                    The name of article is "THE LINGUISTIC ANALYSIS OF THE TERM ALLAH"

                                    You did not accept the conclusion that Allah means "THERE IS NOTHING FOR HIM" so what value you assign to the article brother.

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                                      The_Sardar
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                                      The name of article is "THE LINGUISTIC ANALYSIS OF THE TERM ALLAH"

                                      You did not accept the conclusion that Allah means "THERE IS NOTHING FOR HIM" so what value you assign to the article brother.

                                      Sorry if my answer seems bit dull but the meaning "THERE IS NOTHING FOR HIM" is off as you showed in this quote

                                      323 ...... .......

                                      So which translation of this verse make sense

                                      They are called to book of Allah
                                      or
                                      They are called to book of THERE IS NOTHING FOR HIM
                                      So the word would mean well...The God. Is this answer good? -\

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                                        I read "Allah" without translating it. I could not find any satisfactory explanation for this word. Corpus says it is a nominative proper noun. http//corpus.quran.com/wordmorphology.jsp?location=(22551)

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                                          The_Sardar
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                                          I read "Allah" without translating it. I could not find any satisfactory explanation for this word. Corpus says it is a nominative proper noun. http//corpus.quran.com/wordmorphology.jsp?location=(22551)

                                          Some say it's a proper, some it's a common noun and some say it's a special term like Man of Faith and the person in this article.

                                          There is even verses that says Allah being The One God.

                                          Wahuwa allathee fee alssama-iilahun wafee al-ardi ilahun wahuwa alhakeemualAAaleemu
                                          4384 And He is the One who is a god in the heaven and a god on the earth. And He is the Wise, the Knowledgeable.

                                          Innama ilahukumu Allahuallathee la ilaha illa huwa wasiAAakulla shay-in AAilman
                                          2098 Your god is God; whom there is no god but He. His knowledge encompasses all things.

                                          Waqala Allahu latattakhithoo ilahayni ithnayni innama huwailahun wahidun fa-iyyaya fairhabooni
                                          1651 And God said "Do not take two gods, there is only One god, so it is Me that you shall reverence."

                                          Qul ayyu shay-in akbaru shahadatanquli Allahu shaheedun baynee wabaynakum waoohiyailayya hatha alqur-anu li-onthirakum bihiwaman balagha a-innakum latashhadoona anna maAAa Allahi alihatanokhra qul la ashhadu qul innama huwa ilahunwahidun wa-innanee baree-on mimma tushrikoona
                                          619 Say "Which is the greatest testimony?" Say "God is witness between me and you, and He has inspired to me this Qur'an that I may warn you with it and whoever it reaches, that you are bearing witness that with God are other gods!" Say "I do not bear witness!" Say "He is only One god, and I am innocent of what you have set up!"

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