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  • The_SardarT Offline
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    The_Sardar
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    The green are possessive construction.

    Salaam

    Possessive construction? ???

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      The green are possessive construction.

      Salaam

      Salaam huruf

      The words in red are "lillahi" where "li" is harf e jar meaning "for". It is a "jaar majroor" construction. A possessive construction is like "kitab ullahi".

      @Sardar

      The attachment of "li" with the word Allah removes the letter alif and make it "Lillahi" which means "for Allah".

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      • The_SardarT Offline
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        @Sardar

        The attachment of "li" with the word Allah removes the letter alif and make it "Lillahi" which means "for Allah".

        I noticed i found this from this post about Allah being a common noun https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16710.0

        By the way what do you think about the article in the first page about the term Allah? Here is the link from the first page http//ahleaqal.blogspot.se/2017/05/the-linguistic-analysis-of-term-allah.html

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          Salaam Sardar

          Quote "This term is a compound of words,." unquote

          So as per this quote the word Allah means "THERE IS NOTHING FOR HIM" Lets see how it fits in the following term

          323 ...... .......

          So which translation of this verse make sense

          They are called to book of Allah
          or
          They are called to book of THERE IS NOTHING FOR HIM

          Regards

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          • The_SardarT Offline
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            Salaam Sardar

            Quote "This term is a compound of words,." unquote

            So as per this quote the word Allah means "THERE IS NOTHING FOR HIM" Lets see how it fits in the following term

            323 ...... .......

            So which translation of this verse make sense

            They are called to book of Allah
            or
            They are called to book of THERE IS NOTHING FOR HIM

            Regards

            Obviously the one i marked yellow.

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            • The_SardarT Offline
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              So what do you think of this article brother of Mankind Novice, do you think this person have valid points in his article or is he/she going off track?

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                Obviously the one i marked yellow.

                Brother Sardar do you still have to ask me about the article. You just rejected his meanings of the word Allah.

                Regards

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                • The_SardarT Offline
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                  Brother Sardar do you still have to ask me about the article. You just rejected his meanings of the word Allah.

                  Regards

                  Well i wondered what you thought rest of the article..sorry -[

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                    Well i wondered what you thought rest of the article..sorry -[

                    The name of article is "THE LINGUISTIC ANALYSIS OF THE TERM ALLAH"

                    You did not accept the conclusion that Allah means "THERE IS NOTHING FOR HIM" so what value you assign to the article brother.

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                    • The_SardarT Offline
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                      The name of article is "THE LINGUISTIC ANALYSIS OF THE TERM ALLAH"

                      You did not accept the conclusion that Allah means "THERE IS NOTHING FOR HIM" so what value you assign to the article brother.

                      Sorry if my answer seems bit dull but the meaning "THERE IS NOTHING FOR HIM" is off as you showed in this quote

                      323 ...... .......

                      So which translation of this verse make sense

                      They are called to book of Allah
                      or
                      They are called to book of THERE IS NOTHING FOR HIM
                      So the word would mean well...The God. Is this answer good? -\

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                        I read "Allah" without translating it. I could not find any satisfactory explanation for this word. Corpus says it is a nominative proper noun. http//corpus.quran.com/wordmorphology.jsp?location=(22551)

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                          I read "Allah" without translating it. I could not find any satisfactory explanation for this word. Corpus says it is a nominative proper noun. http//corpus.quran.com/wordmorphology.jsp?location=(22551)

                          Some say it's a proper, some it's a common noun and some say it's a special term like Man of Faith and the person in this article.

                          There is even verses that says Allah being The One God.

                          Wahuwa allathee fee alssama-iilahun wafee al-ardi ilahun wahuwa alhakeemualAAaleemu
                          4384 And He is the One who is a god in the heaven and a god on the earth. And He is the Wise, the Knowledgeable.

                          Innama ilahukumu Allahuallathee la ilaha illa huwa wasiAAakulla shay-in AAilman
                          2098 Your god is God; whom there is no god but He. His knowledge encompasses all things.

                          Waqala Allahu latattakhithoo ilahayni ithnayni innama huwailahun wahidun fa-iyyaya fairhabooni
                          1651 And God said "Do not take two gods, there is only One god, so it is Me that you shall reverence."

                          Qul ayyu shay-in akbaru shahadatanquli Allahu shaheedun baynee wabaynakum waoohiyailayya hatha alqur-anu li-onthirakum bihiwaman balagha a-innakum latashhadoona anna maAAa Allahi alihatanokhra qul la ashhadu qul innama huwa ilahunwahidun wa-innanee baree-on mimma tushrikoona
                          619 Say "Which is the greatest testimony?" Say "God is witness between me and you, and He has inspired to me this Qur'an that I may warn you with it and whoever it reaches, that you are bearing witness that with God are other gods!" Say "I do not bear witness!" Say "He is only One god, and I am innocent of what you have set up!"

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                            Some say it's a proper, some it's a common noun and some say it's a special term like Man of Faith and the person in this article.

                            There is even verses that says Allah being The One God.

                            Wahuwa allathee fee alssama-iilahun wafee al-ardi ilahun wahuwa alhakeemualAAaleemu
                            4384 And He is the One who is a god in the heaven and a god on the earth. And He is the Wise, the Knowledgeable.

                            Innama ilahukumu Allahuallathee la ilaha illa huwa wasiAAakulla shay-in AAilman
                            2098 Your god is God; whom there is no god but He. His knowledge encompasses all things.

                            Waqala Allahu latattakhithoo ilahayni ithnayni innama huwailahun wahidun fa-iyyaya fairhabooni
                            1651 And God said "Do not take two gods, there is only One god, so it is Me that you shall reverence."

                            Qul ayyu shay-in akbaru shahadatanquli Allahu shaheedun baynee wabaynakum waoohiyailayya hatha alqur-anu li-onthirakum bihiwaman balagha a-innakum latashhadoona anna maAAa Allahi alihatanokhra qul la ashhadu qul innama huwa ilahunwahidun wa-innanee baree-on mimma tushrikoona
                            619 Say "Which is the greatest testimony?" Say "God is witness between me and you, and He has inspired to me this Qur'an that I may warn you with it and whoever it reaches, that you are bearing witness that with God are other gods!" Say "I do not bear witness!" Say "He is only One god, and I am innocent of what you have set up!"

                            Great post.

                            Salaam

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                              Great post.

                              Salaam

                              Salam Huruf you said ''The green are possessive construction'' when i showed this 2165

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                                Uh Huruf im waiting for answer about the possessive construction

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                                  Sorry, I have to say I don't knw what was in my mind when I wrote that, because seeing it now it is wrong. In fact it is exactly as Novice said inhis or her post Tehre is Allah and there is l-illah, with the preoposition li.

                                  Excuse me if I led you to spend too much time trying to figure the thing out. I must have ben thinking of something else and been not very attentive.

                                  Salaam

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                                    Salam Aleykum everyone i found a article from a man named Kashif Khan (you might remember him) and its about root word of Allah https//www.linkedin.com/pulse/allah-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84%DB%81-falsely-derived-from-root-word-idol-deities-dr-kashif-khan?trk=mp-reader-card Now dont let the title mislead into thinking it's an atheistic influenced article, i kept reading i was impressed of this mans work. group

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                                      Salam Aleykum everyone i found a article from a man named Kashif Khan (you might remember him) and its about root word of Allah https//www.linkedin.com/pulse/allah-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84%DB%81-falsely-derived-from-root-word-idol-deities-dr-kashif-khan?trk=mp-reader-card Now dont let the title mislead into thinking it's an atheistic influenced article, i kept reading i was impressed of this mans work. group

                                      So any reviews?

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                                        Our missed friend Pazuzu wrote something about that. Here is the thread

                                        https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605163.msg323451#msg323451

                                        I think Pazuzu explanation which amounts to what Kashif says, is much shorter, much clearer, and quite efficient and gives more intresting data. It is not something new either. It is rather a common understanding, although it coexists with the "The God" conception.

                                        Proably it does not change that much, because at any rate the idea of God in each person is what it is no matter what the etimological factors may be.

                                        Salaam

                                        Salaam

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                                          Our missed friend Pazuzu wrote something about that. Here is the thread

                                          https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605163.msg323451#msg323451

                                          I think Pazuzu explanation which amounts to what Kashif says, is much shorter, much clearer, and quite efficient and gives more intresting data. It is not something new either. It is rather a common understanding, although it coexists with the "The God" conception.

                                          Proably it does not change that much, because at any rate the idea of God in each person is what it is no matter what the etimological factors may be.

                                          Salaam

                                          Salaam

                                          More like the Creator God conception. To be fair it make sense.

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