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Does it say that Adam was the first man in the Quran?

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    herbman
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    It is.

    Except here

    7189
    It is He Who created you from a single soul, and created her mate from it , in order that he might dwell with her (in love). When he had sexual contact with her, she bears a light burden and carries it about (unnoticed). When she grows heavy, they both pray to Allah their Lord, (saying) "If Thou givest us a goodly child, we vow we shall (ever) be grateful.
    The underlined pronouns are gendered, because they are linked to the last underlined (she), who bears the child!
    The original Arabic version

    This is a proof that Adam was either a couple, at least, or a female ;D

    Salam Samia,

    I don't understand why you say "This is a proof that Adam was either a couple, at least, or a female ", I didn't get it!!!!
    nafs is feminine isn't it?
    I understand both (Adam and his spouse) are from the same nafs.
    It is He Who created you from a single soul, and created her mate from it (nafs)....

    please share and get patient angel

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      herbman
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      also in the same idea

      711
      It is We who created you and gave you shape; then We bade the angels prostrate to Adam, and they prostrated, not so Iblis; he refused to be of those who bow down.

      you= plural

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        nimnimak_11
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        Adam was preceded by "bashar". There's a big difference between bashar and insaan, even in our anguage today. God brethed into the bashar and the insaan (adam) ws the result

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        When thy Lord said unto the angels Lo! I am about to create a mortal out of mire,
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        And when I have fashioned him and breathed into him of My Spirit, then fall down before him prostrate,

        The non specialized English language does not have an equivalent to the word "bashar". Both bashar and insaan is "human" in English.
        Adam is none but us
        711

        And We created you, then fashioned you, then told the angels Fall ye prostrate before Adam! And they fell prostrate, all save Iblis, who was not of those who make prostration.

        Very interesting. Thanks!

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          unknownuser
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          http//www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/Surat3_files/3_33.gif
          Surely Allah chose Adam and Nuh and the descendants of Ibrahim and the descendants of Imran above the nations.

          so who is that Adam in the above verse? Adam of the Eve or a different Adam?

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            Jack
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            Adam = mankind is a symbolic interpretation, because of 711.

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              unknownuser
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              Adam = mankind is a symbolic interpretation, because of 711.

              yes, that makes more sense

              Surely Allah chose mankind and Nuh and the descendants of Ibrahim and the descendants of Imran above the nations.

              ???

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                Jack
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                Nice try ;D Wouldn't hurt you to be serious, every once in a while.

                A symbolic interpretation is not equivalent to a literal translation. Try taking 218 or 639 literally, for example.

                Adam, literally, refers to one "person".

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                  unknownuser
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                  A symbolic interpretation is not equivalent to a literal translation. Try taking 218 or 639 literally, for example.

                  Adam, literally, refers to one "person".

                  lets see

                  adam = humanity

                  test1

                  http//www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/Surat7_files/7_11.gif
                  We created you, then we shaped you, then we said to the angels, "Fall prostrate before humanity." They fell prostrate, except Iblees (Satan); he was not with the prostrators.

                  result yes

                  test2

                  http//www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/Surat19_files/19_58.gif
                  These are some of the prophets whom GOD blessed. They were chosen from among the descendants of humanity, and the descendants of those whom we carried with Noah, and the descendants of Abraham and Israel, and from among those whom we guided and selected. When the revelations of the Most Gracious are recited to them, they fall prostrate, weeping.

                  result nope

                  conclusion

                  Adam = humanity
                  Adam = name of a person

                  context is the key.

                  thanks

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                    Jack
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                    lets see

                    adam = humanity

                    test1

                    http//www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/Surat7_files/7_11.gif
                    We created you, then we shaped you, then we said to the angels, "Fall prostrate before humanity." They fell prostrate, except Iblees (Satan); he was not with the prostrators.

                    result yes

                    test2

                    http//www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/Surat19_files/19_58.gif
                    These are some of the prophets whom GOD blessed. They were chosen from among the descendants of humanity, and the descendants of those whom we carried with Noah, and the descendants of Abraham and Israel, and from among those whom we guided and selected. When the revelations of the Most Gracious are recited to them, they fall prostrate, weeping.

                    result nope

                    conclusion

                    Adam = humanity
                    Adam = name of a person

                    context is the key.

                    thanks

                    Are you saying there are 2 different adams? One referring to humanity, the other to one person?

                    You are translating it in one verse, and not in another? This is guess work.

                    What about instances where it could mean BOTH a proper noun, or humanity. 359. What's your criteria for choosing one over the other?

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                      afridi220
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                      Are you saying there are 2 different adams? One referring to humanity, the other to one person?

                      You are translating it in one verse, and not in another? This is guess work.

                      What about instances where it could mean BOTH a proper noun, or humanity. 359. What's your criteria for choosing one over the other?

                      RS is right we are not Adam we are Ben Adam not Bin Laden ;D

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                        unknownuser
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                        Are you saying there are 2 different adams? One referring to humanity, the other to one person?

                        yes

                        You are translating it in one verse, and not in another? This is guess work.

                        What about instances where it could mean BOTH a proper noun, or humanity. 359. What's your criteria for choosing one over the other?

                        follow the best.

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                          palestina
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                          This verse (230) gives a clue... the reaction of the "malaika" may be indicating that they have seen some form of "bashar" before - which they based their statement on?

                          3020

                          This verse says that God created you out of dust - then you became "bashar" spreading out.
                          The "thumma" here is interesting... What do you make of it?

                          518
                          ...You are merely "bashar" from what He has created... where there other "bashar" created?

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                          Could there have been other "bashar" made out of material other than "hardened clay of aged mud"?

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                            afridi220
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                            This verse (230) gives a clue... the reaction of the "malaika" may be indicating that they have seen some form of "bashar" before - which they based their statement on?

                            3020

                            This verse says that God created you out of dust - then you became "bashar" spreading out.
                            The "thumma" here is interesting... What do you make of it?

                            518
                            ...You are merely "bashar" from what He has created... where there other "bashar" created?

                            1533
                            Could there have been other "bashar" made out of material other than "hardened clay of aged mud"?

                            Hmmm you mean aliens were created before us that are why they are advance in technology. hmm

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                              palestina
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                              Well I dont know where you got "aliens" from.... but maybe other "bashar" were those who came before homo sapiens? and adam and eve were the first homo sapiens?

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                                afridi220
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                                Well I dont know where you got "aliens" from.... but maybe other "bashar" were those who came before homo sapiens? and adam and eve were the first homo sapiens?

                                No way mam nope do you have any proof may be dont work here ;D

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                                  unknownuser
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                                  Well I dont know where you got "aliens" from.... but maybe other "bashar" were those who came before homo sapiens? and adam and eve were the first homo sapiens?

                                  we were but one community, then we became aliens to each other as per 1019

                                  Adam = humanity as per 711

                                  Adam = one man as per 333, 1958

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                                    Jack
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                                    3871

                                    1528

                                    2554

                                    This verse (230) gives a clue... the reaction of the "malaika" may be indicating that they have seen some form of "bashar" before - which they based their statement on?

                                    3020

                                    This verse says that God created you out of dust - then you became "bashar" spreading out.
                                    The "thumma" here is interesting... What do you make of it?

                                    518
                                    ...You are merely "bashar" from what He has created... where there other "bashar" created?

                                    1533
                                    Could there have been other "bashar" made out of material other than "hardened clay of aged mud"?

                                    This verse (230) gives a clue... the reaction of the "malaika" may be indicating that they have seen some form of "bashar" before - which they based their statement on?

                                    Good thinking. If you read the verses after 230, the malaika say that they only know what God has taught them!

                                    3020

                                    This verse says that God created you out of dust - then you became "bashar" spreading out.
                                    The "thumma" here is interesting... What do you make of it?

                                    Evolution? Thumma, in my opinion, implies a period of time. 7117 also talks about our creation.

                                    Well I dont know where you got "aliens" from.... but maybe other "bashar" were those who came before homo sapiens? and adam and eve were the first homo sapiens?

                                    Quiet possible, imo. Or that we existed before the creation of adam. This could be how the malaika knew our behavior.

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