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Does it say that Adam was the first man in the Quran?

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    unknownuser
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    Adam = mankind is a symbolic interpretation, because of 711.

    yes, that makes more sense

    Surely Allah chose mankind and Nuh and the descendants of Ibrahim and the descendants of Imran above the nations.

    ???

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      Jack
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      Nice try ;D Wouldn't hurt you to be serious, every once in a while.

      A symbolic interpretation is not equivalent to a literal translation. Try taking 218 or 639 literally, for example.

      Adam, literally, refers to one "person".

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        A symbolic interpretation is not equivalent to a literal translation. Try taking 218 or 639 literally, for example.

        Adam, literally, refers to one "person".

        lets see

        adam = humanity

        test1

        http//www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/Surat7_files/7_11.gif
        We created you, then we shaped you, then we said to the angels, "Fall prostrate before humanity." They fell prostrate, except Iblees (Satan); he was not with the prostrators.

        result yes

        test2

        http//www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/Surat19_files/19_58.gif
        These are some of the prophets whom GOD blessed. They were chosen from among the descendants of humanity, and the descendants of those whom we carried with Noah, and the descendants of Abraham and Israel, and from among those whom we guided and selected. When the revelations of the Most Gracious are recited to them, they fall prostrate, weeping.

        result nope

        conclusion

        Adam = humanity
        Adam = name of a person

        context is the key.

        thanks

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          Jack
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          lets see

          adam = humanity

          test1

          http//www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/Surat7_files/7_11.gif
          We created you, then we shaped you, then we said to the angels, "Fall prostrate before humanity." They fell prostrate, except Iblees (Satan); he was not with the prostrators.

          result yes

          test2

          http//www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/Surat19_files/19_58.gif
          These are some of the prophets whom GOD blessed. They were chosen from among the descendants of humanity, and the descendants of those whom we carried with Noah, and the descendants of Abraham and Israel, and from among those whom we guided and selected. When the revelations of the Most Gracious are recited to them, they fall prostrate, weeping.

          result nope

          conclusion

          Adam = humanity
          Adam = name of a person

          context is the key.

          thanks

          Are you saying there are 2 different adams? One referring to humanity, the other to one person?

          You are translating it in one verse, and not in another? This is guess work.

          What about instances where it could mean BOTH a proper noun, or humanity. 359. What's your criteria for choosing one over the other?

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            Are you saying there are 2 different adams? One referring to humanity, the other to one person?

            You are translating it in one verse, and not in another? This is guess work.

            What about instances where it could mean BOTH a proper noun, or humanity. 359. What's your criteria for choosing one over the other?

            RS is right we are not Adam we are Ben Adam not Bin Laden ;D

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              Are you saying there are 2 different adams? One referring to humanity, the other to one person?

              yes

              You are translating it in one verse, and not in another? This is guess work.

              What about instances where it could mean BOTH a proper noun, or humanity. 359. What's your criteria for choosing one over the other?

              follow the best.

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                palestina
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                This verse (230) gives a clue... the reaction of the "malaika" may be indicating that they have seen some form of "bashar" before - which they based their statement on?

                3020

                This verse says that God created you out of dust - then you became "bashar" spreading out.
                The "thumma" here is interesting... What do you make of it?

                518
                ...You are merely "bashar" from what He has created... where there other "bashar" created?

                1533
                Could there have been other "bashar" made out of material other than "hardened clay of aged mud"?

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                  This verse (230) gives a clue... the reaction of the "malaika" may be indicating that they have seen some form of "bashar" before - which they based their statement on?

                  3020

                  This verse says that God created you out of dust - then you became "bashar" spreading out.
                  The "thumma" here is interesting... What do you make of it?

                  518
                  ...You are merely "bashar" from what He has created... where there other "bashar" created?

                  1533
                  Could there have been other "bashar" made out of material other than "hardened clay of aged mud"?

                  Hmmm you mean aliens were created before us that are why they are advance in technology. hmm

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                    Well I dont know where you got "aliens" from.... but maybe other "bashar" were those who came before homo sapiens? and adam and eve were the first homo sapiens?

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                      Well I dont know where you got "aliens" from.... but maybe other "bashar" were those who came before homo sapiens? and adam and eve were the first homo sapiens?

                      No way mam nope do you have any proof may be dont work here ;D

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                        Well I dont know where you got "aliens" from.... but maybe other "bashar" were those who came before homo sapiens? and adam and eve were the first homo sapiens?

                        we were but one community, then we became aliens to each other as per 1019

                        Adam = humanity as per 711

                        Adam = one man as per 333, 1958

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                          3871

                          1528

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                          This verse (230) gives a clue... the reaction of the "malaika" may be indicating that they have seen some form of "bashar" before - which they based their statement on?

                          3020

                          This verse says that God created you out of dust - then you became "bashar" spreading out.
                          The "thumma" here is interesting... What do you make of it?

                          518
                          ...You are merely "bashar" from what He has created... where there other "bashar" created?

                          1533
                          Could there have been other "bashar" made out of material other than "hardened clay of aged mud"?

                          This verse (230) gives a clue... the reaction of the "malaika" may be indicating that they have seen some form of "bashar" before - which they based their statement on?

                          Good thinking. If you read the verses after 230, the malaika say that they only know what God has taught them!

                          3020

                          This verse says that God created you out of dust - then you became "bashar" spreading out.
                          The "thumma" here is interesting... What do you make of it?

                          Evolution? Thumma, in my opinion, implies a period of time. 7117 also talks about our creation.

                          Well I dont know where you got "aliens" from.... but maybe other "bashar" were those who came before homo sapiens? and adam and eve were the first homo sapiens?

                          Quiet possible, imo. Or that we existed before the creation of adam. This could be how the malaika knew our behavior.

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