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All religions are okay?

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    san
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    ???

    Well to quote him/herself

    People who mislead others to doing/ acting in opposition to Allah are false gods, even your desires can sometimes be false gods.They are not servents, come on you surely know this.......

    peace

    I thought he may be into something called the true/right gods.

    so i asked him/her what god (gods in plural; ilah/aliha in Arabic) is (/are), in his/her own words.

    without that being clear, we would have no idea about his/her understanding of "LaA Ilaaha Illa Allah".

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      unknownuser
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      What is god?

      2121
      Or have they taken gods from the earth who can raise (the dead)?

      2122
      If there were, therein, other gods besides Allah, there would have been confusion in both! but glory to Allah, the Lord of the Throne (High is He) above what they attribute to Him!

      Original translation

      2121
      Or have they taken (for worship) gods from the earth who can raise (the dead)?

      2122
      If there were, in the heavens and the earth, other gods besides Allah, there would have been confusion in both! but glory to Allah, the Lord of the Throne (High is He) above what they attribute to Him!

      http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=11488.msg203079#msg203079

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      Then seest thou such a one as takes as his god his own vain desire? Allah has, knowing (him as such), left him astray, and sealed his hearing and his heart (and understanding), and put a cover on his sight. Who, then, will guide him after Allah (has withdrawn Guidance)? Will ye not then receive admonition?

      This should clarify it peace

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        san
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        2121
        Or have they taken gods from the earth who can raise (the dead)?

        2122
        If there were, therein, other gods besides Allah, there would have been confusion in both! but glory to Allah, the Lord of the Throne (High is He) above what they attribute to Him!

        Original translation

        2121
        Or have they taken (for worship) gods from the earth who can raise (the dead)?

        2122
        If there were, in the heavens and the earth, other gods besides Allah, there would have been confusion in both! but glory to Allah, the Lord of the Throne (High is He) above what they attribute to Him!

        http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=11488.msg203079#msg203079

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        Then seest thou such a one as takes as his god his own vain desire? Allah has, knowing (him as such), left him astray, and sealed his hearing and his heart (and understanding), and put a cover on his sight. Who, then, will guide him after Allah (has withdrawn Guidance)? Will ye not then receive admonition?

        This should clarify it peace

        Thank you for your time on that.

        Can you please tell us, what is the TRUE god? Or if you prefer, what are the TRUE gods?

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          unknownuser
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          Thank you for your time on that.

          Can you please tell us, what is the TRUE god? Or if you prefer, what are the TRUE gods?

          Okay, what is Allah or the perfect God, that has evolved man?

          It is that visible state of relationship described by the attributes.

          Beneficience, Mercy, kindness, politness,helpfulness, favourablness......e.t.c

          Although the forces in the universe are many and diverse, it is this one particular relationship that is all powerfull.

          Remember when Moses came back to the Isralites and asked them "why have you sat on your backsides since i have been away" they said "we won't leave until we see Allah (or rather until the conditions are right for them to leave)."

          of course they where afraid of what pharoah might do.

          Sorry this isn't the normal translation.

          And i believe we are supposed to live this relationship in our daily lives, if we can.

          o

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            san
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            Okay, what is Allah or the perfect God, that has evolved man?

            It is that visible state of relationship described by the attributes.

            Beneficience, Mercy, kindness, politness,helpfulness, favourablness......e.t.c

            Although the forces in the universe are many and diverse, it is this one particular relationship that is all powerfull.

            Sorry this isn't the normal translation.

            And i believe we are supposed to live this relationship in our daily lives, if we can.

            o

            So, you have accepted ALLAH (THE GOD) as a TRUE ilah (god) -- is that correct?

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              11matrix11
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              You are wrong......There is one religion on this planet now that is behind all humanity's
              sufferings on this planet. It is a wolf in sheeps clothing. At the forefront it looks very
              innocent but it is made up of Sun worship which has its beginnings traced to Babylon.
              It has orchestrated the 1st World War, 2nd World War and the so called war on terror
              now which is living hell for Muslims around the globe. Soon it will spread its tentacles
              in such a way that it will make living hell for the monotheist religions.
              Currently it is manouvering its final strategy to dismantle the military machine of
              Pakistan before it goes for an onslaught murder of humanity.
              Its leaders are mainly homosexuals or pedophiles and are elected as popes or the title
              given the Vicar of the son of God.
              Our Holy Quran warned us of this Trinitarian whore but sadly the Muslim world is not
              paying close attention to details. We will have to act now before it is too late.
              The Injil chapter of Revelation has described this Beast in great symbological detail
              alongwith its False Prophet. This two forces of evil is currently on an evil crusade
              against Allah's true people and they will not stop till they establish Jerusalem as
              their final temple of worship.
              My dear brothers and sisters I am speaking about the Roman Catholic Religion which
              is headquartered in the Vatican. This entity is controlling all the kings and nations
              of the earth through their deceptive mask of Christianity which is actually Lucifer
              and Sun Worship.
              The Beast is Rome with the USA as the false prophet which is used by the idolatrous
              church to make the nations of the world succumb to it.
              Check who is Obama, Bush, Kerry, Clinton and many others answering to. Where do
              their directives come from. Who is the ruling cardinal of the USA who reports personally
              to Rome? Do your homework my brothers and sisters and see who is the real antichrist.
              THE ANTICHRIST IS THE ONE WHO HAS BEEN HIDING BEHIND THE IMAGE OF CHRIST
              ALL THIS WHILE WITHOUT ANYONE REALISING IT.

              THIS RELIGION IS NOT OK.

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                san
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                11matrix11, i have to say that is indeed a cool avatar

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                  Rev_John
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                  You are wrong......There is one religion on this planet now that is behind all humanity's
                  sufferings on this planet. It is a wolf in sheeps clothing. At the forefront it looks very
                  innocent but it is made up of Sun worship which has its beginnings traced to Babylon.
                  It has orchestrated the 1st World War, 2nd World War and the so called war on terror
                  now which is living hell for Muslims around the globe. Soon it will spread its tentacles
                  in such a way that it will make living hell for the monotheist religions.
                  Currently it is manouvering its final strategy to dismantle the military machine of
                  Pakistan before it goes for an onslaught murder of humanity.
                  Its leaders are mainly homosexuals or pedophiles and are elected as popes or the title
                  given the Vicar of the son of God.
                  Our Holy Quran warned us of this Trinitarian whore but sadly the Muslim world is not
                  paying close attention to details. We will have to act now before it is too late.
                  The Injil chapter of Revelation has described this Beast in great symbological detail
                  alongwith its False Prophet. This two forces of evil is currently on an evil crusade
                  against Allah's true people and they will not stop till they establish Jerusalem as
                  their final temple of worship.
                  My dear brothers and sisters I am speaking about the Roman Catholic Religion which
                  is headquartered in the Vatican. This entity is controlling all the kings and nations
                  of the earth through their deceptive mask of Christianity which is actually Lucifer
                  and Sun Worship.
                  The Beast is Rome with the USA as the false prophet which is used by the idolatrous
                  church to make the nations of the world succumb to it.
                  Check who is Obama, Bush, Kerry, Clinton and many others answering to. Where do
                  their directives come from. Who is the ruling cardinal of the USA who reports personally
                  to Rome? Do your homework my brothers and sisters and see who is the real antichrist.
                  THE ANTICHRIST IS THE ONE WHO HAS BEEN HIDING BEHIND THE IMAGE OF CHRIST
                  ALL THIS WHILE WITHOUT ANYONE REALISING IT.

                  THIS RELIGION IS NOT OK.

                  Interestingly enough there are some Christian religions that believe the Roman Catholic Church is the anti-Christ, or at least serves him. Each pope has been accused of being the anti-Christ many times.

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                    unknownuser
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                    So, you have accepted ALLAH (THE GOD) as a TRUE ilah (god) -- is that correct?

                    I wouldn't want to put myself in the spot just yet, but saying that i do believe this relationship will/ does benefit all of mankind.

                    yes

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                      unknownuser
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                      Interestingly enough there are some Christian religions that believe the Roman Catholic Church is the anti-Christ, or at least serves him. Each pope has been accused of being the anti-Christ many times.

                      what have they done to be looked at so badly?

                      nope

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                        san
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                        I wouldn't want to put myself in the spot just yet, but saying that i do believe this relationship will/ does benefit all of mankind.

                        yes

                        OK, simple )

                        what about this, in all-English

                        Have you accepted THE GOD as a TRUE god ?

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                          Rev_John
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                          what have they done to be looked at so badly?

                          nope

                          It all started off with the inclusion of the resurrection into the bible in about the 4th or 5th century and the belief in the trinity. But each pope has changed something within the Catholic church that has (as always) met with much opposition.

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                            unknownuser
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                            OK, simple

                            what about this, in all-English

                            Have you accepted THE GOD as a TRUE god ?

                            Of course- life wouldn't have a meaning without it.

                            http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597496.0

                            peace

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                              unknownuser
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                              It all started off with the inclusion of the resurrection into the bible in about the 4th or 5th century and the belief in the trinity. But each pope has changed something within the Catholic church that has (as always) met with much opposition.

                              Okay but calling them anti................isn't that too much?

                              nope

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                                Rev_John
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                                Okay but calling them anti................isn't that too much?

                                nope

                                Well yes, I agree with you, that is taking it a bit too far. I suppose their thought was that by worshiping Jesus, they were trying to take people away from God

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                                  san
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                                  OK, simple

                                  what about this, in all-English

                                  Have you accepted THE GOD as a TRUE god ?

                                  Of course- life wouldn't have a meaning without it.

                                  http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597496.0

                                  peace

                                  THE GOD is god? TRUE

                                  4719 So, know that not god except THE GOD and ask forgiveness for your sin and for the believing men and believing women. And THE GOD knows of your movement and your resting place.

                                  2125 And We sent not before you any messenger except that We revealed to him that not god except Me. Then worship Me.

                                  2014 Indeed, I am THE GOD. Not god except Me, so worship Me and establish prayer for My remembrance.

                                  1651 And THE GOD has said, "Do not take for yourselves two gods. Indeed He is one god. Then to Me, only Me, be in fear."

                                  162 He sends down AlmalaA'ikat, with the inspiration of His command, upon whom He wills of His servants, "Warn that not god except Him; so fear Me."

                                  619 Say, "What thing is greatest in testimony?" Say, " THE GOD is witness between me and you. And this Qur'an was revealed to me that I may warn you thereby and whomever it reaches. Do you testify that with Allah there are other gods?" Say, "I will not testify." Say, "Indeed, He is one God, and indeed, I am free of what you associate."

                                  318 THE GOD witnesses not god except Him, and AlmalaA'ikat and those of knowledge, maintaining in justice. Not god except Him, the Exalted in Might, the Wise.

                                  2163 And your god is one god. not god except Him, the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful.

                                  According to the Quran (In all-English)

                                  not god except THE GOD

                                  peace

                                  (ed fixed quote to the all-English version)

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                                    san
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                                    the SIMPLEST checking algorithm ever, in all-English

                                    is x god?

                                    is x THE GOD?

                                    EXAMPLES OF THE CHECK god or not god. TRUE or FALSE?

                                    Example #1 in all-English god, THE GOD

                                    is THE GOD god?

                                    is THE GOD THE GOD?

                                    TRUE

                                    TRUE

                                    Example #2 in all-English
                                    god, his desire

                                    is his desire god?

                                    is his desire THE GOD?

                                    FALSE

                                    FALSE

                                    then why he take as his god, his desire?
                                    yeah -- why take as god, something that is not even TRUE as god?

                                    Example #3 in all-English
                                    for x = not THE GOD
                                    god, x

                                    is x god?

                                    is x THE GOD?

                                    FALSE

                                    FALSE

                                    then why he take as god, what is not THE GOD?
                                    yeah -- why take as god, something that is not even TRUE as god?

                                    peace

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                                      san
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                                      CONSEQUENCES

                                      for "he/him" is not THE GOD, if you take him as god, then know that he is not a god (4719), whether he is taking you to goodness or badness

                                      if you think he is inviting you to goodness, then know that everything is from THE GOD 478

                                      if you think he is inviting you to badness, then know that everything is from THE GOD 478

                                      THE GOD told you to choose the straight path 6151-153

                                      if you think you are following the straight path while you are following THE GOD, then THE GOD will bring you to the straight path 4175

                                      if you think you are following the straight path while you are following someone else than THE GOD, then wait until he contradicts THE GOD. 2122

                                      When that contradiction occurs, whom will you choose?

                                      peace

                                      (ed fixed font style)

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                                        san
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                                        Finally,

                                        if you don't believe in what the Qur'aAn says, then you just don't believe it yet.

                                        if you don't believe that there is no god except THE GOD, then you just don't believe in it yet.

                                        "not god except THE GOD"

                                        peace

                                        Edit note Modified by request.

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                                          Rev_John
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                                          The phrase "One God and One God only" springs to mind

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