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[Ayisha]

Ayisha
Laqad raa min ayati rabbihi alkubra

Greatest Signs,. mentioned in Ayats, told you to read carefully.
Yes I know, read my question again carefully, it says what was that sign?

Why? is it hard to believe in dream? dream is a dream! people see dreams every day, this was an event that took place in actual, that is why Allah had to clarify "Muhammad is not astray or misled".
so he wasnt clarifying to Muhammed, he was clarifying to the people.
I have no doubts what he saw, but if he had been flying off into the sky you would have thought someone would have seen him do this wouldnt you? was the entire world between Mecca and Jerusalem asleep or looking the other way when this happened?

It was no dream, Ayisha.
was no space travel either raj

Mazhar
Surely that is the case, but they have no believe in it.

"How many signs in the heavens and earth they pass by, yet they turn (their faces) away from them." 12105

and notice in surah 51 Allah says

Waalssamai thati alhubuki

By the heaven containing pathways

The earlier generations of the Muslims did not have the level of knowledge to appreciate these verses. We can now appreciate such Quran phrases as the sky full of path, and the signs in the heavens as the facts of space which mankind has recently discovered. Furthermore, the Quran phrases How many signs in the heaven they pass by can best be explained in terms of the recent travels of men into space. Dr. Mazhar Kazi

Still doesnt mean Muhammed was a space traveller raj, it means ALLAH told us what's up there, not Muhammed.

[Mazhar]

Mazhar

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It stands proved that in Qur'aan it was not just a statement in air but was a fact that man can and will go into the space.

Surely that is the case, but they have no believe in it.

"How many signs in the heavens and earth they pass by, yet they turn (their faces) away from them." 12105

and notice in surah 51 Allah says

Waalssamai thati alhubuki

By the heaven containing pathways

The earlier generations of the Muslims did not have the level of knowledge to appreciate these verses. We can now appreciate such Quran phrases as the sky full of path, and the signs in the heavens as the facts of space which mankind has recently discovered. Furthermore, the Quran phrases How many signs in the heaven they pass by can best be explained in terms of the recent travels of men into space. Dr. Mazhar Kazi--Raaajah

But the believers have always believed in the information contained therein as a matter of fact/proven truth.

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consequently, those who have believed they know that it is the fact from their Sustainer Lord;

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[Raaajah]

Ayisha

Yes I know, read my question again carefully, it says what was that sign?

You read it carefully, there is not one sign but more than one and they are mentioned the Ayaats quoted above.

I have no doubts what he saw, but if he had been flying off into the sky you would have thought someone would have seen him do this wouldnt you? was the entire world between Mecca and Jerusalem asleep or looking the other way when this happened?

A very basic lesson from Quran for you
This scripture is infallible; a beacon for the righteous;who believe in the unseen,...

[Ayisha]

Ayisha
You read it carefully, there is not one sign by more than one and they are mentioned the Ayaats quoted above.
Ok, so again, what were those signs?

A very basic lesson from Quran for you
This scripture is infallible; a beacon for the righteous;who believe in the unseen,...

So now he didnt see it? I know the Quran is infallible Raj, I know it speaks the full truth, all I am asking is what were those 'greatest signs' that Allah showed Muhammed and how does it match him flying through space?

i take it you cannot answer any of my questions, again, and choose to ignore them, again, while posting verses you don't understand yourself.

[Ayisha]

But the believers have always believed in the information contained therein as a matter of fact/proven truth.

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consequently, those who have believed they know that it is the fact from their Sustainer Lord;

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And i believe what it says, it does not say he was a space traveller though.

[Mazhar]

Quote from Mazhar on Today at 030345 PM
The Author of an Arabic Book uses definite pronoun "he" only for that person whom he has already introduced. And so is done by a writer of English book. Pronouns are used to avoid repetition of name or identity of that person in the ongoing narration.

There is no mention in the ongoing narration of who 'he' was unless you mean the entire narration of which there are many 'he's' in it, so did you just search for which 'he' had been introduced previously with no apparent attachment to a verse? It could equally be the 'he' in 74.22 as that has nothing attached to tell us who 'he' is and has not been introduced and cannot be the blind man as you have translated as whoever 'he' was 'looked' around and scowled and said this is not but the word of a human being. Muhammed was not the one looking and scowling and being haughty as you have translated in that verse, it was the other 'he'-Ayisha

Every Arabic pronoun is definite and is to be determined as to whom it is referring.
In the verb is mentioned the one who saw/subject of verb-Muhammad and the verb is transitive, the object of the verb is suffixed to verb, the person who was seen. And the person who was seen is mentioned immediately before in Ayat 19 and described in Ayat 20. I don't know why people become so naive to ignore simple and plain words of Grand Qur'aan just to stick to their stand point even at the cost of plain foolishness.

[Ayisha]

Every Arabic pronoun is definite and is to be determined as to whom it is referring.
In the verb is mentioned the one who saw/subject of verb-Muhammad and the verb is transitive, the object of the verb is suffixed to verb, the person who was seen. And the person who was seen is mentioned immediately before in Ayat 19 and described in Ayat 20. I don't know why people become so naive to ignore simple and plain words of Grand Qur'aan just to stick to their stand point even at the cost of plain foolishness.

the person mentioned in 19 and 20 is Muhammed, so now he saw himself?

I never stick to a stand point if i am wrong, I am adult enough to say I am wrong, and certainly not at the cost of finding TRUTH, but TRUTH is not what you are showing me and I can only assume those accusations you direct at me repeatedly are actually a mirror of what you are doing.

[Raaajah]

Ayisha

I never stick to a stand point if i am wrong, I am adult enough to say I am wrong,...

We have seen no practical example for it.

[Ayisha]

Ayisha
We have seen no practical example for it.

Then you have not proven me wrong )

[Raaajah]

Ayisha

i take it you cannot answer any of my questions, again, and choose to ignore them, again, while posting verses you don't understand yourself.

No one at this forum can answer your questions.

Ayisha

Ok, so again, what were those signs?

Ayisha

So now he didnt see it?...

Who did not saw it? what are you talking about?

all I am asking is what were those 'greatest signs' that Allah showed Muhammed and how does it match him flying through space?

To see the greatest signs, at different places he had to travel......

My Understanding of the Verses

The surah starts with Allah taking oath of a Al-najum, it can be Pleiades in English. Whenever an oath is taken by Allah in Quran, something special is to be revealed. It confirms some thing special happened and off-course dream is nothing special to mention.
Regarding 535 Some say it refers to Allah, and others say it refers to Jabrial, but if we read at different places, it is more likely that it refers to Jabrial.Verse 11,17,18 confirms that it is something that is been seen with open eyes and physically, due to following reasons if it would have been a dream, the vision would have been not as clear as in reality, and verse would have not talked about him going blind, and mind making up something. verses 14-15 mention other signs.
Mantaha means the ultimate point, this again verifies this point was some where not in this world of ours, and Muhammad PIUH was taken to that point.

Therefore we can say that Angel Jabriel is called "one in mighty power, endued with wisdom"; some of the graetest signs are located high above the Horizon in the SKY;The Prophet had visited the highest part of that horizon beyond which none can go.

What is Sidra?

[Mazhar]

the person mentioned in 19 and 20 is Muhammed, so now he saw himself?

I never stick to a stand point if i am wrong, I am adult enough to say I am wrong, and certainly not at the cost of finding TRUTH, but TRUTH is not what you are showing me and I can only assume those accusations you direct at me repeatedly are actually a mirror of what you are doing.

You read "Qur'aan" in English. Who of them who write supposedly write Qur'aan in English has told you this thing?

[Mazhar]

Regarding 535 Some say it refers to Allah, and others say it refers to Jabrial, but if we read at different places, it is more likely that it refers to Jabrial

Pl correct the perception by reading the next qualifying word, and in conjunction with Ayat 10, this is mention of only Allah, because of use of "abdhi". Thanks

[Ayisha]

You read "Qur'aan" in English. Who of them who write supposedly write Qur'aan in English has told you this thing?

RAJ Watch closely! You are about to see something you dont think I can do!

Mazhar no one 'who write supposedly write Qur'aan in English' has 'told' me anything, I have not met Jusef Ali ever. )

You said "And the person who was seen is mentioned immediately before in Ayat 19 and described in Ayat 20."

I replied that this was Muhammed and that was based on the rasool word. Now I am truely not too sure and yes it could very well be the messenger Gabriel. (made bold so Raj can look at it with glee)

My arguement was never who it was, it was that you added it to the verse where it is not in the Arabic script. My arguement has never been that Muhammed didnt 'see him' whoever it was, it was that it was the 'him' that was in the horizon and not Muhammed flying into space to see 'him' there.

[Ayisha]

Pl correct the perception by reading the next qualifying word, and in conjunction with Ayat 10, this is mention of only Allah, because of use of "abdhi". Thanks

yes but it still does not qualify you to be God's editor and co-author of Quran and put it where it wasnt! brickwall

[Mazhar]

RAJ Watch closely! You are about to see something you dont think I can do!

Mazhar no one 'who write supposedly write Qur'aan in English' has 'told' me anything, I have not met Jusef Ali ever. )

You said "And the person who was seen is mentioned immediately before in Ayat 19 and described in Ayat 20."

I replied that this was Muhammed and that was based on the rasool word. Now I am truely not too sure and yes it could very well be the messenger Gabriel. (made bold so Raj can look at it with glee)

My arguement was never who it was, it was that you added it to the verse where it is not in the Arabic script. My arguement has never been that Muhammed didnt 'see him' whoever it was, it was that it was the 'him' that was in the horizon and not Muhammed flying into space to see 'him' there.

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And it is a certain fact that he had seen him at the Demarcating Horizon .

So you now accept the existence of two pronouns in the Verb, one who had seen in the past and the one who was seen. Now your objection is only about the location from where Muhammad had seen him at the Demarcating Horizon.

For convenience I have already given the reference, which was perhaps not consulted.
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and he was at the Upper most horizon ;

Here pronoun "he" is referring to Muhammad . And it is made clear that he had gone/taken to that place only once in his life;

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And indeed he had seen him only once/last time descent downwards

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And it is a certain fact that he had seen him at the Demarcating Horizon .

Two different horrizons are mentioned indicating the location of both two, location of one who saw and the location of the other who was seen.

[Raaajah]

Mazhar

Pl correct the perception by reading the next qualifying word, and in conjunction with Ayat 10, this is mention of only Allah, because of use of "abdhi". Thanks

Please can you elobarate it further, Thanks.

[Ayisha]

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And it is a certain fact that he had seen him at the Demarcating Horizon .

So you now accept the existence of two pronouns in the Verb, one who had seen in the past and the one who was seen. Now your objection is only about the location from where Muhammad had seen him at the Demarcating Horizon.

For convenience I have already given the reference, which was perhaps not consulted.
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and he was at the Upper most horizon ;

Here pronoun "he" is referring to Muhammad . And it is made clear that he had gone/taken to that place only once in his life;

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And indeed he had seen him only once/last time descent downwards

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And it is a certain fact that he had seen him at the Demarcating Horizon .

Two different horrizons are mentioned indicating the location of both two, location of one who saw and the location of the other who was seen.

ok, chapter 53

verse 6. onwards
he arose. Now considering it has just spoke of the one who taught him (implied as Gabriel), how can you assume it is Muhammed that 'arose' and not Gabriel who was on the highest horizon and came down and approached and revealed to His slave? That makes heaps more sense than both being on the horizon.

[Ayisha]

Your Companion is neither astray nor being misled. your companion being Muhammed
Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) Desire. he being Muhammed
It is no less than inspiration sent down to him send down to Muhammed
He was taught by one Mighty in Power, muhammed was taught by one might in power
Endued with Wisdom for he appeared (in stately form); teacher endued with wisdom appeared in stately form
While he was in the highest part of the horizon the one appearing was appearing in the horizon
Then he approached and came closer, he who was appearing came closer
And was at a distance of but two bow-lengths or (even) nearer; till he who was appearing was at a short distance
So did (Allah) convey the inspiration to His Servant- (conveyed) what He (meant) to convey
The (Prophet's) (mind and) heart in no way falsified that which he saw.

Still looks to me like it was who was appearing that was in the horizon and came closer

For indeed he saw him at a second descent, Muhammed saw him who was appearing while him who was appearing was descending a second or another time
Near the Lote-tree beyond which none may pass
Near it is the Garden of Abode.
Behold, the Lote-tree was shrouded (in mystery unspeakable!) something/someone was shrouding the Lote tree= the apparition that had descended
(His) sight never swerved, nor did it go wrong! Muhammed never took his eyes of it
For truly did he see, of the Signs of his Lord, the Greatest! becaues he was seeing one off the greatest signs of God

And (O people!) your companion is not one possessed; your companion is Muhammed
And without doubt he saw him in the clear horizon. Muhammed saw him, the apparition, in the horizon

Still looks to me that God showed Muhammed a vision, one of His greatest signs, but that it was this vision of the greatest sign that was in the horizona nd came closer to Muhammed and not Muhammed that was up in space.

[Mazhar]

Mazhar
Please can you elobarate it further, Thanks.

Raaaja

ok, chapter 53

verse 6. onwards
he arose. Now considering it has just spoke of the one who taught him (implied as Gabriel), how can you assume it is Muhammed that 'arose' and not Gabriel who was on the highest horizon and came down and approached and revealed to His slave? That makes heaps more sense than both being on the horizon.

Ayisha

I presume it is agreed that in Ayat 2 the information is about Muhammad which is given after taking oath of the Star when it shatters. The nearest star to Earth Proxima Centauri is about twenty trillion miles away from the Earth. At such heights he

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that Guiding Lord of you people was neither unmindful of his surroundings and nor he distracted.

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The Mightiest in Power has taught him, the possessor of Eternity; thereby/consequent to having been taught he consciously arose upwards,

Here again there are two pronouns; One Who taught; Who is the Mightiest in Power and the Possessor of Eternity? Allah alone, NOT anyone else. And the second pronoun is the object of verb referring to earlier person Muhammad Muhammad who was the receipient of that teaching.

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and he was at the Upper most horizon ;

is a personal pronoun for third person, singular, masculine and refers to the person mentioned earlier Muhammad Muhammad and can never be construed to relate to anyone else if some one knows the basics of Arabic.

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http//whereupon He communicated personally to His Sincere Allegiant that which He communicated.

The doer of the verb is Allah. And in possessive phrase the possessive pronoun is for Allah and not for anyone else. No one is of Gib'raa'eil alai'his'slaam.

And what was said in Ayat 2, it is reconfirmed and reiterated from a different angle to make it absolutely evident that he was physically present at those heights of the Universe and then beyond its boundaries.

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The heart and mind did not negate/contradict what he had seen.

[Ayisha]

Ayisha

I presume it is agreed that in Ayat 2 the information is about Muhammad which is given after taking oath of the Star when it shatters. The nearest star to Earth Proxima Centauri is about twenty trillion miles away from the Earth. At such heights he

that Guiding Lord of you people was neither unmindful of his surroundings and nor he distracted.
o o o you are totally and absolutely off this planet