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    Mazhar
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    what about it? You are the one saying that Muhammed was 20 trillion miles off up in space to see this greatest of God's signs and cannot comprehend that God's signs are here and can be brought here at the mere mention by Him. He even didnt take Moses off to space to speak to him, He did it right on earth behind a bush, but Moses undersood very well who it was speaking to him.

    Such tactics do not make someone sharp. It rather reflecs something else. After your observation was quoted the Ayat talking about going out of the doors of the Sky? That is still farther away. If you don't believe he went beyond that, how would you go out of the doors?

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      Ayisha

      No thats a spiritual presence

      In spiritual presence only mind travels, but here the Soul traveled, with brain.

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        Such tactics do not make someone sharp. It rather reflecs something else. After your observation was quoted the Ayat talking about going out of the doors of the Sky? That is still farther away. If you don't believe he went beyond that, how would you go out of the doors?

        Your tactics dont make you sharp ,righteous, pious or anything but an arrogant boastful leader up the garden path either.

        Actually I had ignored that verse and only read the first one about publicly contradicting Gods Books and immediately had to post some that you publicly contadict.

        So, you think heaven is up in the sky do you? You seriously are in need to help. peace

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          Ayisha
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          Ayisha
          In spiritual presence only mind travels, but here the Soul traveled, with brain.

          soul is spirit raj, mind is not a physical thing, brain is but mind may not be in the brain. You cannot go see a surgeon and have your mind removed or operated on as it is not a physical thing, no one knows where in the physical body it is, same as the soul/spirit

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            Ayisha

            soul is spirit raj, mind is not a physical thing, brain is but mind may not be in the brain. You cannot go see a surgeon and have your mind removed or operated on as it is not a physical thing, no one knows where in the physical body it is, same as the soul/spirit

            The characteristic doctrine of idealism is that, at bottom, everything is really mental. According to the idealist, what we think of as physical objects (including our own bodies)are ultimately constituted out of purely mental elements (namely, the ideas in people's minds).

            Ayisha to Mazhar

            Actually I had ignored that verse and only read the first one about publicly contradicting Gods Books and immediately had to post some that you publicly contadict.

            I have never heard of this word in red, please can you improve my English, as you often do.

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              Ayisha
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              Actually I had ignored that verse and only read the first one about publicly contradicting Gods Books and immediately had to post some that you publicly contadict.

              I have never heard of this word in red, please can you improve my English, as you often do.

              Certainly raj, that should be contradict, it was missing the letter 'r'. Since starting my typing course I can't seem to spell anything anymore -\

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                Ayisha
                The characteristic doctrine of idealism is that, at bottom, everything is really mental. According to the idealist, what we think of as physical objects (including our own bodies)are ultimately constituted out of purely mental elements (namely, the ideas in people's minds).

                I have no idea what this is to do with what I replied to, but hey

                I will take your idealism and raise you physicalism, copied from the same site

                The characteristic doctrine of physicalism (or materialism) is that, at bottom, everything is really physical. According to the physicalist, what we think of as the mind is ultimately constituted out of purely material elements. There are various kinds of physicalism but they all share this common doctrine that a complete account of the physical universe would thereby be a complete account of the universe. There is no extra story to be told, once we have told the whole story about the purely physical parts of the universe.

                That's monisms done, we can do dualisms next if you like, or we could move on to space travel and what it does to a human body if its out 20 trillion miles in space without a space suit. Thats of course if we're both still working on the same assumption that Muhammed was in fact a human being.

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                  that Guiding Lord of you people

                  Our ONLY Guiding LORD is Allah

                  Our ONLY LORD is Allah

                  the above is blatant SHIRK

                  Christians use the word LORD for Jesus as they think he is GOD IN FLESH.

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                    Do you think that Lord and Allah are the same words?

                    I hear these words often, a A land "Lord", for the man owning a house in UK, and MY "Lord" for a Judge.
                    Are they equivalent to Allah?

                    Ayisha come on.

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                      Do you think that Lord and Allah are the same words?

                      I hear these words often, a A land "Lord", for the man owning a house in UK, and MY "Lord" for a Judge.
                      Are they equivalent to Allah?

                      Ayisha come on.

                      Check Quran for the word that is translated as Lord and see who it applies to, the Arabic is RABB, who is your Rabb Raj? Who is Alhadi The Guide?

                      Thus have We made for every prophet an enemy among the sinners but enough is thy Lord to guide and to help.
                      Wakathalika jaAAalna likullinabiyyin AAaduwwan mina almujrimeena wakafa birabbika hadiyanwanaseeran

                      Ma dalla sahibukum wamaghawa 53.02 where does this say ' that Guiding Lord Muhammed'?

                      We are not talking about 'my Lord the judge' Raj, we are talking about insertions into God's Book to imply that Muhammed is the Guiding Lord! Come on Raj!

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                        Ma dalla sahibukum wamaghawa 53.02 where does this say ' that Guiding Lord Muhammed'?
                        We are not talking about 'my Lord the judge' Raj, we are talking about insertions into God's Book to imply that Muhammed is the Guiding Lord! Come on Raj!

                        Complete translation is this

                        that Guiding Lord of you people was neither unmindful of his surroundings and nor he distracted.

                        "sahibukum" is a possessive phrase. The suffixed possessive pronoun is for second person; masculine; plural referring to us the readers. Since it is definite therefore the first noun is also definite and is the subject of the sentence being in nominative case; "The Guiding Lord of you people", and it refers only to Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam as is mentioned in the parentheses.

                        http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/042.%20Ash%20Shoora/42.52e.gif
                        and beyond an iota of doubt, you the Messenger are certainly guiding them towards the Straight Path;
                        042.052
                        YUSUFALI And thus have We, by Our Command, sent inspiration to thee thou knewest not (before) what was Revelation, and what was Faith; but We have made the (Qur'an) a Light, wherewith We guide such of Our servants as We will; and verily thou dost guide (men) to the Straight Way,-
                        PICKTHAL And thus have We inspired in thee (Muhammad) a Spirit of Our command. Thou knewest not what the Scripture was, nor what the Faith. But We have made it a light whereby We guide whom We will of Our bondmen. And lo! thou verily dost guide unto a right path,
                        SHAKIR And thus did We reveal to you an inspired book by Our command. You did not know what the Book was, nor (what) the faith (was), but We made it a light, guiding thereby whom We please of Our servants; and most surely you show the way to the right path

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                          Complete translation is this

                          that Guiding Lord of you people was neither unmindful of his surroundings and nor he distracted.

                          "sahibukum" is a possessive phrase. The suffixed possessive pronoun is for second person; masculine; plural referring to us the readers. Since it is definite therefore the first noun is also definite and is the subject of the sentence being in nominative case; "The Guiding Lord of you people", and it refers only to Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam as is mentioned in the parentheses.
                          sahibukum is your companion, not your Guiding Lord and you know as well as I do what putting a capital letter on guiding and lord means in English. Allah is a guide, Quran is a giude, Muhammed may very well be a guide but he is NOT the Guiding Lord and that is not what it says.

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                          and beyond an iota of doubt, you the Messenger are certainly guiding them towards the Straight Path;
                          042.052
                          YUSUFALI And thus have We, by Our Command, sent inspiration to thee thou knewest not (before) what was Revelation, and what was Faith; but We have made the (Qur'an) a Light, wherewith We guide such of Our servants as We will; and verily thou dost guide (men) to the Straight Way,-
                          PICKTHAL And thus have We inspired in thee (Muhammad) a Spirit of Our command. Thou knewest not what the Scripture was, nor what the Faith. But We have made it a light whereby We guide whom We will of Our bondmen. And lo! thou verily dost guide unto a right path,
                          SHAKIR And thus did We reveal to you an inspired book by Our command. You did not know what the Book was, nor (what) the faith (was), but We made it a light, guiding thereby whom We please of Our servants; and most surely you show the way to the right path

                          Dont even bother trying to quote other verses to get out of this one Mazhar, it is clear as crystal what game you are playing and your game is to elevate muhammed to a position of super human and God in the flesh. Not one place is Lord 'capital L' used for Muhammed in ANY English translation and if RABB is used in reference to Muhammed please bring the verse. The above in no way justify you using this where it is not said.

                          i have been doing a little investigating and have found in other places you have claimed that Muhammed had no shadow,

                          "According to Grand Quran the Last Messenger?s body {Respects, praise, Salam and peace is always upon him without interruption} did not have shadow!! Those who do not accept Hadith should note I am agruing not with Hadith, but telling you from Grand Quran, can you call it fake, bring forward argument to negate it.

                          Haqeeqat Kia Hay?"

                          and that the night of Al Qadr not only was the Quran given as a whole book but according to your translation 'along with corporeal appearance of Muhammed! Did he not exist before that Mazhar?

                          " It is a fact that We had descended this Book/Grand Qur'aan in the Night of the Apportionment "

                          It is clear that you disagree Muhammed was a human being and are wrongly elevating him to something inhuman so you can worship this messenger.

                          Your translation and 'tafsir' is in English and any English reader, I have said this before, that does not know Quran will be completely MISLED by your translations into thinking Muhammed is Lord and to be worshipped as God. For those who are haters of Islam who hear about 72 virgins and marrying 6 year old kids, your translation of chapter 74 gives them even more to detest with '19 males over her', your 'excuse' of that when I questioned you was that Hell is feminine and Angels are masculine, yet you have not put this ANYWHERE else when referring to hell or Angels, so why there?

                          Your whole idea of this translation into English, without even looking at how others who CAN speak and read both Arabic and English perfectly, is misleading and based entirely on YOUR desires and led entirely on worship and elevation of Muhammed. Every time his name is mentioned you parrot the phrase, yet NEVER do you do the same GLORIFICATION at the name of ALLAH.

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                            sahibukum is your companion, not your Guiding Lord and you know as well as I do what putting a capital letter on guiding and lord means in English. Allah is a guide, Quran is a giude, Muhammed may very well be a guide but he is NOT the Guiding Lord and that is not what it says.

                            Why you feel so reluctant while there comes his name and mention?

                            It is well known and established principle amongst linguistics that a definite noun in English is described by Capital leter. Aiysha will always have "A" capital to denote her. And how naively you have bypassed the quoted Ayat where every translator is saying "You guide.............". And when I translate "Guiding Lord of you people", you straight declare it a shirk.

                            And please if you mind consulting any English dictionary you will perhaps nowhere find that the word Lord is taken by any Englishman as Allah or Rabb. It is referred to a person who has authority and influence over others. For Rabb I translate Sustainer Lord of Worlds, all that exists.

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                              Mazhar
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                              Your translation and 'tafsir' is in English

                              I do not use this word "tafsir" in my writings. It means "breaking news", to make public something not known earlier, which we term as breaking news. We can merely explain Arabic words and sentences of an Ayat with the help of other Aayat of Grand Qur'aan.

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                                sahibukum is your companion, not your Guiding Lord and you know as well as I do what putting a capital letter on guiding and lord means in English. Allah is a guide, Quran is a giude, Muhammed may very well be a guide but he is NOT the Guiding Lord and that is not what it says.

                                Why you feel so reluctant while there comes his name and mention?
                                where is the reluctance? i said he may very well be a guide BUT he is NOT the Guiding Lord and that is not what it says. Why the reluctance to ADMIT it doesnt say that?

                                It is well known and established principle amongst linguistics that a definite noun in English is described by Capital leter. Aiysha will always have "A" capital to denote her. And how naively you have bypassed the quoted Ayat where every translator is saying "You guide.............". And when I translate "Guiding Lord of you people", you straight declare it a shirk.
                                I know what a capital letter means Mazhar and so do you, most of the time. The translated ayat you posted do not have You guide..., they have

                                042.052
                                YUSUFALI And thus have We, by Our Command, sent inspiration to thee thou knewest not (before) what was Revelation, and what was Faith; but We have made the (Qur'an) a Light, wherewith We guide such of Our servants as We will; and verily thou dost guide (men) to the Straight Way,-
                                PICKTHAL And thus have We inspired in thee (Muhammad) a Spirit of Our command. Thou knewest not what the Scripture was, nor what the Faith. But We have made it a light whereby We guide whom We will of Our bondmen. And lo! thou verily dost guide unto a right path,
                                SHAKIR And thus did We reveal to you an inspired book by Our command. You did not know what the Book was, nor (what) the faith (was), but We made it a light, guiding thereby whom We please of Our servants; and most surely you show the way to the right path

                                if you notice a capital letter is used ONLY when referring to Allah or Allah's Way and not used when referring to Muhammed in thee and thou.

                                And please if you mind consulting any English dictionary you will perhaps nowhere find that the word Lord is taken by any Englishman as Allah or Rabb. It is referred to a person who has authority and influence over others. For Rabb I translate Sustainer Lord of Worlds, all that exists.

                                Sustainer Lord of the Worlds is Allah. In an English dictionary it will not have Lord as a use of Arabic would it!
                                I know what Lord means in Quran and when used in capital letter in ANY of the translated books of Allah, and so do you and so does any Christian that prays to the 'Lord Jesus Christ'. Once only this word rabb (lord) is used in Quran that does NOT refer to Allah and that is in chapter 12 where it is translated with a small 'l'. the Guiding Lord is Allah, the guiding messenger is Muhammed and you know very well what you have done yet you refuse to admit it or to even see it. Either way, you should not be translating the Holy Quran into a language you are incapable of using properly.

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                                  I do not use this word "tafsir" in my writings. It means "breaking news", to make public something not known earlier, which we term as breaking news. We can merely explain Arabic words and sentences of an Ayat with the help of other Aayat of Grand Qur'aan.

                                  your English site
                                  http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/eng%20article.htm

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                                    your English site
                                    http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/eng%20article.htm

                                    This is the name of link folder given by web maker for his convenience. It does not denote "writings". And if you study my urdu articles I have given detailed meanings of the word Tafsir, saying Qur'aan is the "Best Tafsir".

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                                      if you notice a capital letter is used ONLY when referring to Allah or Allah's Way and not used when referring to Muhammed in thee and thou.
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                                      A pronoun in a subordinate phrase is translated by "he" or "you" for any noun other than Allah. But in "sahibukum" the pronoun is "kum" denoting "you people" but the first word is not a pronoun but a definite noun, the subject. And the definite noun in a possessive phrase has to be written with capital letter.

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                                        A pronoun in a subordinate phrase is translated by "he" or "you" for any noun other than Allah. But in "sahibukum" the pronoun is "kum" denoting "you people" but the first word is not a pronoun but a definite noun, the subject. And the definite noun in a possessive phrase has to be written with capital letter.

                                        RUBBISH!

                                        your companion is not Guiding Lord. It does NOT say Guiding Lord in Arabic and you should NOT put Guiding Lord in English then try BS to cover it up!

                                        sahibukum, now where is rabb or hadi in there?

                                        The first word in that verse is NOT, Not has strayed your companion

                                        NOTHING in that verse warrants YOU putting your TAFSIR in it.

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                                          This is the name of link folder given by web maker for his convenience. It does not denote "writings". And if you study my urdu articles I have given detailed meanings of the word Tafsir, saying Qur'aan is the "Best Tafsir".

                                          Your whole site is tafsir, your whole site is YOUR desired meaning to the Quran to bring the reader to thinking Muhammed is a super inhuman no shadow space travelling GOD to be worshipped.

                                          I notice you have conveniently ignored what i said about the parroted phrase after the name of Muhammed and NOTHING to GLORIFY ALLAH.

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