new article - Quranic terms defined
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Quote from Mazhar on Today at 090652 PM
.A pronoun in a subordinate phrase is translated by "he" or "you" for any noun other than Allah. But in "sahibukum" the pronoun is "kum" denoting "you people" but the first word is not a pronoun but a definite noun, the subject. And the definite noun in a possessive phrase has to be written with capital letter.
RUBBISH! -Ayisha
Have you compiled a new grammer book which declares the above as RUBBISH? In English I may say "your father" which denotes none but a specific person, and means "The Father of you". In Arabic I do not find a phrase "your father" but "The Father of you" described by a possessive phrase.
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Have you compiled a new grammer book which declares the above as RUBBISH? In English I may say "your father" which denotes none but a specific person, and means "The Father of you". In Arabic I do not find a phrase "your father" but "The Father of you" described by a possessive phrase.
NO, The father of you. NOT a capital letter for father unless it is the Father GOD
It did not say Guiding Lord in the Arabic text! Do you understand this Mazhar or are you again playing stupid? IT DID NOT SAY IT.
there is not Rabb or Hadi in that verse, NONE and YOU put it there and YOU made Muhammed into GOD.
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NO, The father of you. NOT a capital letter for father unless it is the Father GOD
It did not say Guiding Lord in the Arabic text! Do you understand this Mazhar or are you again playing stupid? IT DID NOT SAY IT.
there is not Rabb or Hadi in that verse, NONE and YOU put it there and YOU made Muhammed into GOD.
yes, The itself specifies the particular person who is being referred as father. So in "Guiding Lord" the word Lord should be with small "l" as "Guiding lord". You think "sahibu" means companion. In that case, it would "The companion of you people". In that case would you not like to object that how can he be our companion since he is dead, since common meanings of companion is somebody who shares time with another.
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yes, The itself specifies the particular person who is being referred as father. So in "Guiding Lord" the word Lord should be with small "l" as "Guiding lord". You think "sahibu" means companion. In that case, it would "The companion of you people". In that case would you not like to object that how can he be our companion since he is dead, since common meanings of companion is somebody who shares time with another.
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Guiding lord with a small 'l' would only have capital 'G' if the word Guiding was at the beginning which it was NOWHERE IN THAT VERSE AT ALL
The verse was revealed to Muhammed when he was alive as you well know!
You have NO WAY to justify what you have done and keep back tracking and dancing about like a child to try to justify or cover it up!
IT IS NOT IN THAT VERSE and no amount of you playing childish games with language will make it in that verse.
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Peace
I have taken big patience and time to go through the thread... initially it was good with the quranic terms etc by Wakas but later on it degraded and kept degrading ... I have been absent from the forum for some time ... I see a lot of change in the attitude of some brothers... especially Mazhar.. Brother Mazhar.. please do not get me wrong... But I see a lot of boasting/arrogance due to your mastery of arabic to some extent... I never knew you like this before and it is indeed a shocker for me when I read your replies... You should revert back to your old attitude of the humble learner and sharer of knowledge... It was lots better for all of us here...
There are quite a few things which I disagree with you such as verb always coming before noun in arabic... which is false as it depends on the sentence... however, this would not override the subject of the verb in either case... I also do not agree with you the Muhammad (pbuh) will be the intercessor and everyone will be running to him as if he will hold the key to paradise on that day... this concept is purely jewish/christian.
I also cannot understand why each time you are asked to translate which you first stated in Reply #39 of this thread, you are always translating verse 3356 (reply #72) which according to me does not make any sense... since the phrase cannot be found in 3356. Basically, everyone has been asking you to translate the CUSTOM phrase which you attach each time you write/say the name of Muhammad(pbuh) which is ] ... NO ONE asked you for translation of verse 3356. I hope I am being very clear here. Now allow me to ask you this
- Is the phrase as it is, that is verbatim, present in the quran? If not, therefore it is unquranic
- If the phrase is not in quran, then tell us where it comes from/origin
- Please translate THE PHRASE exactly as you wrote it , word-by-word, then in a good sentence using proper english. NOTE Do not translate verse 3356 again.
I hope you will take this post into consideration with a positive mindset... I am not attacking you in any form... I am just requesting some clarification and I hope you will shed some light on it.
Thank you
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the word 'SaHib' also means
in case of all Muslims - it would be master/lord; Land lord =
in case of contemporaries it may be "Companion"so in this verse what does it man Raj? What does sahibukum mean in this verse? Does it mean 'your companion' 'your landlord' or 'that Guiding Lord'
and if you insists on "Companion" then you have to believe in which you don't want to, Ayisha.
and what is it, in your opinion, that you think I will 'have to believe' in that I 'dont want to believe in' Raj?
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Perhaps you have not gone through the whole of thread otherwise at least you would have noticed that I did translate it.
This is sort of transliteration with the help of talking dictionary to produce the same sound as is built in/produced by Arabic sentence .
The first part is reiteration in our own words what is stated in the Ayat. The second part is imperative asking my reader "and you pay salutations, obeisance" reiterating the command of Allah to all of us, the believers alone, to pay him salutations, respects, obeisance, goodwill.
Bear with me... I read the whole thread and it took me more than an hour to do so...
Please answer my question in chronological order if you don't mind... it will be much helpful.
Thank you
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I also do not agree with you the Muhammad (pbuh) will be the intercessor and everyone will be running to him as if he will hold the key to paradise on that day... this concept is purely jewish/christian.
Would you like to oblige me with your translation of that Ayat so that I may find whether I have wrongly translated the words of Qur'aan?
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I never knew you like this before and it is indeed a shocker for me when I read your replies... You should revert back to your old attitude of the humble learner and sharer of knowledge...
And did you not smell any bad odor in those remarks which were replied?
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There are quite a few things which I disagree with you such as verb always coming before noun in arabic... which is false as it depends on the sentence... however, this would not override the subject of the verb in either case...
I have even explained two types of sentences. The point is that subject of the verb comes after the verb otherwise in its absence the subject will be considered hidden in the verb and could refer back to the subject of the sentence as is the case in 5501. Have you said anything different from this in your red part?
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Guiding lord with a small 'l' would only have capital 'G' if the word Guiding was at the beginning which it was NOWHERE IN THAT VERSE AT ALL
The verse was revealed to Muhammed when he was alive as you well know!
You have NO WAY to justify what you have done and keep back tracking and dancing about like a child to try to justify or cover it up!
IT IS NOT IN THAT VERSE and no amount of you playing childish games with language will make it in that verse.
Is this too not there which you are not attending
"The companion of you people". In that case would you not like to object that how can he be our companion since he is dead, since common meanings of companion is somebody who shares time with another.
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I have even explained two types of sentences. The point is that subject of the verb comes after the verb otherwise in its absence the subject will be considered hidden in the verb and could refer back to the subject of the sentence as is the case in 5501. Have you said anything different from this in your red part?
In our case, the verb is clearly referring to the subject which comes before the verb... therefore, we cannot formulate a rigid rule that subject should always come after the verb.. what we can say is that, generally, it is like this... but it is not a rule.
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In our case, the verb is clearly referring to the subject which comes before the verb... therefore, we cannot formulate a rigid rule that subject should always come after the verb.. what we can say is that, generally, it is like this... but it is not a rule.
Would you like to quote an instance from Grand Quraan.
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Is this too not there which you are not attending
"The companion of you people". In that case would you not like to object that how can he be our companion since he is dead, since common meanings of companion is somebody who shares time with another.
More evasive tactics mazhar.
The verse, as you know, was telling the companions/people sharing the same time and space, which were there with him at this time that this verse was being recited telling them that he (their companion/he that is with them at this time) is not crazy etc for seeing what he saw.
You have used 'companion' in your translation of 2.39 and 2.82 but not 2.81 where you have used residents/inmates for the very same word. In 2.119 you have used dwellers. in 2.217 companions, in 2.257 companions, in 2.275 back to residents/inmates, in 3.116 companions, in 4.36 companion.
I think I don't need more to make the point that when sahib is used in 6 of the 9 verses above, you use companion, in 2 you use inmates and in 1 you use dwellers but when it says 'YOUR companion' you have used the same, Guiding Lord.
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Ayisha
and what is it, in your opinion, that you think I will 'have to believe' in that I 'dont want to believe in' Raj?
If you take as companion, you have to believe that, he is still here, because you and me are still reading this verse.
Off course you will revert back to your same argument "this verse was for that time" and I will ask you again the same question then why not remove it? However we will have to depend on your intelligentsia to pick and chose the verses.Way Finder
I see a lot of change in the attitude of some brothers... especially Mazhar.. Brother Mazhar.. please do not get me wrong... But I see a lot of boasting/arrogance due to your mastery of arabic to some extent.
By reading these remarks by one who has followed this thread through out can easily assume these are biased comments. Your admitting that Mazhar did not had same attitude before confirms, there was a reason for it, and sadly you were not able to see the reason.
And your saying that there is change in Mazhar's attitude along with some brother's, and not of Sister, made it confirm that she is this way from the beginning.
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Ayisha
If you take as companion, you have to believe that, he is still here, because you and me are still reading this verse.
Off course you will revert back to your same argument "this verse was for that time" and I will ask you again the same question then why not remove it? However we will have to depend on your intelligentsia to pick and chose the verses.
sahibukum, in that word can you find 'hadi' or Rabb? Simple question RajWay Finder
And your saying that there is change in Mazhar's attitude along with some brother's, and not of Sister, made it confirm that she is this way from the beginning.
Yes from the beginning if I see illogical things or a complete distortion of God's Book to the point it blatantly contradicts itself, then I will keep saying so and asking questions which from the beginning I still have no answers to and have been told I am mushrik, foolish among various other wonderful things.